NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: TG for entry, any Calaveras/Leocardian allies.

IC:

The Royal Naval Force chugged more into the ocean, supposedly heading toward New Manth to watch a naval battle between the Northern Baltics and New Manth navy. It was an exciting match, but unfortunately sad news hit. "Phone from mainland, Admiral." One of the radiomen gave a phone to Admiral Nick. He looked at him weirdly, and then took it in his Admiral ship of the Royal Force. "Yeah?" He asked with dullness. "News from KiK-City. We need you guys over to North Calaveras." The answerer said, "They turned to democracy, but they also left Leocardia's armed forces policy with that, and now we need you guys." Nick let out a sigh. "Alright, tell them we're on our way." The phone clicked.

The Leocardian Royal Navy Force had history marked all over its ships. They were the original naval force that took over and destroyed Pythogrian, West Corinthian, and even Robistus colonial forces and reinforcements to take the majority of the Makoki Isles. The fleet of 167 carriers, 350 destroyers, 174 frigates, and 85 amphibious ships were the massive armada of Leocardia, it was swarmed with destruction, but never once has it ever lost its battles. It headed nearer to the Democratic Calaveras.

OOC: Zanzki asked me to help but let me say this.

Using a modest estimate of 2 billion per massive ship, we have 767 carriers, and 285 amphibious assault ships. We get 1025 capital ships.

Now 1,250 destroyers, 674 frigates is a total of 1924 escorts, at an again modest estimate of average cost at 2 million per escort we'll do some more math.

So your defense budget is a modest 19 trillion USD.

At 2 billion a pop, your large ships take up a whopping 10% of your yearly budget, at over 2 trillion USD.

At 2 million a pop your escorts make up 3.848 billion USD, a drop compared to the cost of the big ships.

~2.004 trillion already, at over 10% of your yearly budget, and we haven't even begun to pay for fuel.

What about manpower? Well lets say each large ship uses a humble 4,000 people just to run the ships and planes, not even including the landing force.
That is 4.1 million people just running those ships! Lets include the escorts at only 300 a ship, that is 577,200, now we have 4,677,200 crew aboard just these ships!

That is a mere 2.2% of your available forces at North Korean Military levels. Lets double that for the invasion force to arrive at 4.4% of your total military.

Now each ship uses an ungodly amount of fuel, and at an average of $60 a barrel of fuel oil, knowing military ships and vehicles once on the ground, and planes in the air never have good mileage this is going to add up. Man they aren't even hungry yet. How much does it cost to put up these people per DAY on these ships?

Maybe a few hundred dollars, for 9.3 million people going around the world. That adds up to another few billion dollars PER DAY, that goes up dramatically once they enter their landing vehicles and start the operation. Then there is the cost of shells and missiles, so all those missiles for all those ships, lets go with 100 billion for all those missiles. Then we have to put planes on deck, that is 31 billion for just the carriers. Lets assume the amphibious assault ships have only helicopters, that is another 8.5 billion to the cost of this.

Now the day to day costs of this fleet, combined with the absolute cost of training these men, combined with all the little ancillary costs, including an equally vast support fleet consisting of thousands of small ships constantly providing food, water, oil, and mail services to these people would use up far more than the piddly little 10% of your defense budget we'd get near a quarter of your budget, if this is only 4.4% of your entire military, then what do the other 95.6% do? You have to pay them, you have to clothe them, you have to feed them, you have to train them, you have to arm them, it is completely impractical to have fleet consisting of several thousand ships in this type of configuration.

Besides you have NO Submarines, NO Heavy Capital Ships, No Heavy Arsenal Ships, etc. I could organize a CA fleet consisting of hundreds maybe thousands of submarines, and watch your carriers flounder around helplessly as we circle you like prey and sink you.

This fleet size is completely impractical because of how few people you can bring over, and consists of your entire navy based on its budget use, leaving only a few reserve ships. Meaning Zanski can send his subs over, and fire conventional ballistic missiles and cruise missiles all day at your home cities and be immune to retaliation, except by maybe a Coast Guard cutter.

[OOC: Also consider, a huge navy like that is going to eat an ungodly amount of food (on top of burn millions of tons of fuel, as was already stated). It would take a fleet of ships, vast beyond imagination, to supply such a fleet. Consider this, at the peak of the cold war, the US Navy had 600 active vessels in its fleet. Of those, less than 175 were actual combat vessels. Proportionally, your fleet, with it's 0 support/supply vessels would last maybe a month, before it sank itself. Thus concluding my contribution.]

[OOC: Military size is 58 million. No godmoding, my population is 4.3 billion+. Where have you gotten a 19 trillion USD defense budget from? Don't trust GDP calculators, since they don't go along proportionally with the actual RPs. Anyone arguing that I have more than American warships: Yes, but assuming my population compared to the American navy, you'll figure why. Yet, alone, you guys never figured that I have practically no navy stationed in Leocardia, and that the Royal Navy Force, as a whole, as deployed, perhaps there's more realism than what you guys think is godmoding. Now stop defending Zanski, Leafanistan, because you weren't around trying to correct ThePeoplesFreedom when he sent more than 6,000 ships to try crushing my invasion, while bringing in more than 10 million soldiers to crush the amphibious crafts that I've landed in his shores.]

OOC: Dude, nobody has 757 carriers. Period. I don't care how small a number are left in your country. My government has spent the last twenty years pouring trillions of dollars into the Navy and we now have, if I do say so myself, one of the best in the world. We have about 250 carriers. I, on the other hand, would also like to point out for fairness's sake: supplying this fleet, although very expensive, is quite feasible. This is about 3000 ships; it's not a godmod, just incredibly costly. But again, way too many carriers. If you simply didn't have any battleships, dreadnaughts, cruisers, etc, I'd be more forgiving.

OOC: Plus I was a fag when I deployed 6,000 ships [Wasn't that Dephire?] I have way less now, and I am the same population as you.

OOC: Plus I was a fag when I deployed 6,000 ships [Wasn't that Dephire?] I have way less now, and I am the same population as you.

Glad you admit your wrongdoing. I'll adjust it now.

OOC: Waiting for DC to post. I'm heading to DC, so your radars should pick up my fleet.

OOC: Any time now...