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Astaterian Military

Number of people currently in the military: 610,000

Number of people in the army: 160,000

Number of Tanks and other ground units

500 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks (Same gun as the Abram tank)

300 M1 Abrams Main Battle Tanks

200 M-150 Warrior Artillery Systems

10,000 M998 HMMWVs

100 M200 Desolators

Number of Aircraft and other air force units

345 F-35 Lightning IIs

95 F-22 Raptors

20 B-52 Stratofortresses

300 AH-64 Apaches

60 C-130 Hercules

70 C-17 Globemaster IIIs

Naval ships

2 Nimitz Class carriers

1 Wasp-class amphibious assault ship.

3 Ticonderoga class cruisers

12 Zumwalt class destroyers

6 Arleigh Burke class destroyers

10 Astaterian Upgraded-La Fayette class frigates

5 Seawolf class submarines

Naval personnel: 300,000
Army personnel: 160,000
Air Force personnel: 160,000

1st Division: stationed in the Astaterian capital
2nd Division: stationed in the Astaterian capital
3rd Division: stationed in the biggest port of the country
4th Division: stationed on the border of Verbeng
5th Division: stationed at the armament factories of the south
6th Division: stationed at the eastern coast
1st Mech. Division: stationed at the outskirts of the capital
1st Armor Division: stationed also at the outskirts of the capital

OOC: I will continue to edit this......

OOC: comments anyone?

You have no subs or cargo aircraft. or artillery.

You have no subs or cargo aircraft. or artillery.

Thanks for reminding me :D

I haven't found a artillery yet, even on NS. can someone recommend me one?

bump for comments

OOC: Why three completely different tanks?

OOC: Why three completely different tanks?

OOC: Some armies have different main battle tanks, I am phasing out the T-90s......

Why do you have three different MBTs?
Also I recommend going to Aereo-Dumpling for supplies. You can buy Naval, Artillery, Weapon, Aircarft Packages. Lots of cool stuff, and you get reduced prices for buying it in package. Tell Faxanavia i recommened you. He might give you a discount because I buy from him all the time.
Heres the thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538469

OOC: Some armies have different main battle tanks, I am phasing out the T-90s......

OOC: I know, I have more then I can count. The question however is not why more then one, but why three completely different ones using three completely different weapons, mechanical systems, and electronics? Usually when RL nations have two different, or even three different, types of tanks one is of an older generation and relegated to secondary or lesser duties. Take Type 74's in Japan which serve as the direct fire capacity for Mechanized units, or likewise with Belgiums Leopard 1's before they were replaced in favour of the logisticly simpiler Leopard 2A4. And even then, they usually work on a previously produced ammo system, and are upgraded with very simmilar electronics and automotive systems to comply to new logistical systems. The Chally, Abrams, and T-90 on the other hand are way way way different.

OOC: I know, I have more then I can count. The question however is not why more then one, but why three completely different ones using three completely different weapons, mechanical systems, and electronics? Usually when RL nations have two different, or even three different, types of tanks one is of an older generation and relegated to secondary or lesser duties. Take Type 74's in Japan which serve as the direct fire capacity for Mechanized units, or likewise with Belgiums Leopard 1's before they were replaced in favour of the logisticly simpiler Leopard 2A4. And even then, they usually work on a previously produced ammo system, and are upgraded with very simmilar electronics and automotive systems to comply to new logistical systems. The Chally, Abrams, and T-90 on the other hand are way way way different.

when I asked for comments I wondered if my military numbers were fine.

I see what you mean, I'll phase out the T-90 soon.

when I asked for comments I wondered if my military numbers were fine.

I see what you mean, I'll phase out the T-90 soon.

OOC: For the land forces, I would say so.

And it's not just the T-90, the main gun of the Chally and of the Abrams are two completely different beasts firing two completely different types of ammunition. Personally I would simply upgrade the gun on the Chally and run with those as they're much less strain on your infastructure, easier to maintain, and with the planned 120mmL55 smoothbore upgrade, can top the Abrams in firepower.

OOC: For the land forces, I would say so.

And it's not just the T-90, the main gun of the Chally and of the Abrams are two completely different beasts firing two completely different types of ammunition. Personally I would simply upgrade the gun on the Chally and run with those as they're much less strain on your infastructure, easier to maintain, and with the planned 120mmL55 smoothbore upgrade, can top the Abrams in firepower.

I took your advice, I begun upgrading the guns on the Challys.

What about the naval forces?

I took your advice, I begun upgrading the guns on the Challys.

What about the naval forces?

OOC: Best advice I can tell you is that every ship you have will require twice the number of crew in dock support. But that's not exactly accurate. I can't really help you any further in naval forces.

OOC: Best advice I can tell you is that every ship you have will require twice the number of crew in dock support. But that's not exactly accurate. I can't really help you any further in naval forces.

what about the air force, I'm a little concerned.....

what about the air force, I'm a little concerned.....

OOC: 100 personell per aircraft is a low, rough guide. It's probably more then that. You might do well to read some of the threads linked in the consolodated sticky thread.

As far as I know, I have at least 200 people per aircraft.....

OOC: 100 personell per aircraft is a low, rough guide. It's probably more then that. You might do well to read some of the threads linked in the consolodated sticky thread.

Eh, 100 men for a aircraft like the F-22 should be fine.

As far as your Army:

Scrap the T-90s and Abrams and go with upgraded Challys, or just buy a NS tank like the Mackall or Nakil.
You also need some IFVs/APCs and artillery, if you try to fight with your existing force you will lose spectacularly.
As far as artillery goes, RL stuff is just as good as most NS stuff anyway.

Air Force:
Looks ok, but the lack of EW, AWACS, and heavy cargo planes is a major flaw.
I'd consider doing away with the F-16s in favor of what I mentioned.

Navy:
The lack of support ships is a major weakness
Also a good rule of thumb for navies is to have your ship numbers in muliples of three; one at sea, one preparing to deploy, and one recovering from deployment, you then rotate the ship's for however long your cruises are.
Also, remember that nuclear powered vessels are out of comission for about a year every 10-15 years for refueling and refits, you have to account for that. In my navy at any given time 3-4 of my 40 carriers are in refit.

Overall:
Not bad but you lack power projection capabilities; you currently have no amphibous ships and not enough airlift to deploy anything more than a light infantry brigade

No, don't scrap the Abrams, scrap the Challys and T-90s. Or, scrap all three and get an NS tank, like Tolvan said. Nakils and Divine Tigers are decent tanks.

C-5 Galaxies can work as an "ok" transport aircraft.

No, don't scrap the Abrams, scrap the Challys and T-90s. Or, scrap all three and get an NS tank, like Tolvan said. Nakils and Divine Tigers are decent tanks.

C-5 Galaxies can work as an "ok" transport aircraft.

I prefer the C-17, it has a heavy payload adn can land on short/rough fields. There's not many NS storefronts that go to the trouble to design cargo planes but I use Aequatio's C-181 as well as C-17s.

Also, any decent NS tank will absoultely dominate any RL design.

Or, you could completely design your own armed forces like I did. I designed my own tank, my own weapons, my own uniforms, and my own cool-looking capital city.

Or, you could completely design your own armed forces like I did. I designed my own tank, my own weapons, my own uniforms, and my own cool-looking capital city.

I designed a lot of gear, but since I don't have the time for detailed write ups and I suck at line art most of them are just rought outlines based on RL systems.

As far as artillery goes, RL stuff is just as good as most NS stuff anyway.

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The lack of support ships is a major weakness.

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Overall:
Not bad but you lack power projection capabilities; you currently have no amphibous ships and not enough airlift to deploy anything more than a light infantry brigade.

Well, it depends on what you RP with. If many of your enemies are PMT, they'll have superior tech against which RL tech is like using Iraqi stuff against the US.

As for support ships, IMO you only need them if you're mounting an offensive navy. For a defensive one, where most of your ships are closer to shore, your supplies are probably close enough that you don't need dedicated supply ships. Support only comes into play when you're invading someone, and need to keep your attack forces in good stock with ammunition and fuel without having to return to base every few days.

The kind of military you will have depends on who your enemies are. I'll use my own as an example. Most of my enemies outclass me technologically and tactically, so I tend to fight very defensively, with lines of trenches and land mines all over the paths to areas the enemy will have to take and/or destroy, constant air patrols out looking for anything that even smells like an invader, defended coastlines... with those constraints, there isn't a lot of room for power projection. I'm still in the process of putting together doctrine, but until the 10th, college has to take precedence. After the 10th, I'll be pretty much back on the scene.

No, don't scrap the Abrams, scrap the Challys and T-90s. Or, scrap all three and get an NS tank, like Tolvan said. Nakils and Divine Tigers are decent tanks.

C-5 Galaxies can work as an "ok" transport aircraft.

How do I get Nakil and Divine Tiger tanks?

As far as your Army:

Scrap the T-90s and Abrams and go with upgraded Challys, or just buy a NS tank like the Mackall or Nakil.
You also need some IFVs/APCs and artillery, if you try to fight with your existing force you will lose spectacularly.
As far as artillery goes, RL stuff is just as good as most NS stuff anyway.

Air Force:
Looks ok, but the lack of EW, AWACS, and heavy cargo planes is a major flaw.
I'd consider doing away with the F-16s in favor of what I mentioned.

Navy:
The lack of support ships is a major weakness
Also a good rule of thumb for navies is to have your ship numbers in muliples of three; one at sea, one preparing to deploy, and one recovering from deployment, you then rotate the ship's for however long your cruises are.
Also, remember that nuclear powered vessels are out of comission for about a year every 10-15 years for refueling and refits, you have to account for that. In my navy at any given time 3-4 of my 40 carriers are in refit.

Overall:
Not bad but you lack power projection capabilities; you currently have no amphibous ships and not enough airlift to deploy anything more than a light infantry brigade

Can you recommend me any support ship classes?

Nakils, you place an order at The Macabees' Kriegzimmer Storefront (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787). Ask about the Nakil 2; it's supposed to have more realistic armour stats, correcting some mathematical flaw in the Nakil 1 design.

Support ships, you place one at the Royal Shipyards of Isselmere-Nieland. (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484448) Look under "Auxiliaries."

Lince [aka Nakil 2] Is still not going to be ready for a long time; buy Nakil's for now.

If you go to wikipedia.org, and type in "X (Insert country here) Army [For example, American Army]," there's generally a part of the page in which it lists all of the different weapons the particular nation uses in the army. That should give you a good idea of the different range of weaponry that you might use.

You can get a good idea of the different types of artillery that way.

Also, if you are considering deploying forces via aircraft: Just don't do it. Aircraft really aren't able to carry really heavy stuff like tanks and the like...and even if you have a crapload of men, they'll just get mowed down by armored stuff.

It's better just to transport it via sea.

Also, what kinda rifles are you using? I'd be willing to give you DPR rights to my AY-142 if you want.

How do I get Nakil and Divine Tiger tanks?

Nakil Tanks: Kreigzimmer Storefront
Divine Tigers: Telegraph me.

If you go to wikipedia.org, and type in "X (Insert country here) Army [For example, American Army]," there's generally a part of the page in which it lists all of the different weapons the particular nation uses in the army. That should give you a good idea of the different range of weaponry that you might use.

You can get a good idea of the different types of artillery that way.

Also, if you are considering deploying forces via aircraft: Just don't do it. Aircraft really aren't able to carry really heavy stuff like tanks and the like...and even if you have a crapload of men, they'll just get mowed down by armored stuff.

It's better just to transport it via sea.

Artillery isn't that big a deal, most NS stuff is just slightly improved RL designs anyway.

As for support ships, you can buy some from a storefront or use RL designs. Check out GlobalSecurity.org, they have write ups for the US Navy's support ships. A fleet tender is a fleet tender.

As far as air deployed forces, I recommend paratroopers. Airborne troops are fine to deal with small conflicts and you airlift small amounts of armor to support them. As far as heavy forces go, sealift and trains are the best way to go.

Artillery isn't that big a deal, most NS stuff is just slightly improved RL designs anyway.

As for support ships, you can buy some from a storefront or use RL designs. Check out GlobalSecurity.org, they have write ups for the US Navy's support ships. A fleet tender is a fleet tender.

As far as air deployed forces, I recommend paratroopers. Airborne troops are fine to deal with small conflicts and you airlift small amounts of armor to support them. As far as heavy forces go, sealift and trains are the best way to go.

Tolvan, you have a population less than twice the size of mine, and no income tax. Your military budget is less than half of mine. You wanna repeat that "Artillery isn't that big a deal"? If you do, I'm sure that I can show you horribly how wrong you are. :rolleyes:

Nakils, you place an order at The Macabees' Kriegzimmer Storefront (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787). Ask about the Nakil 2; it's supposed to have more realistic armour stats, correcting some mathematical flaw in the Nakil 1 design.

Support ships, you place one at the Royal Shipyards of Isselmere-Nieland. (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484448) Look under "Auxiliaries."

thanks I bought 1000 Nakils.

Lince [aka Nakil 2] Is still not going to be ready for a long time; buy Nakil's for now.

Is the Nakil tank very good?:confused:

Astater- Just wanted to let you know that I've finally processed your order. Sorry about the delay- I haven't checked the storefront in several days. But, I did give you a discount, partially because of the lateness, and partially because of Izistan's referral. Thanks Izistan!

I use M16 assault rifles, but I might need a good NS assault rifle instead, any suggestions?

:rolleyes:

1. Since you apparently missed 2nd grade math, 979 million (your population) is not twice 1.874 billion (my population).

2. I don't give two shits what some calaculator says your defense budget, I only use it for buying stuff on storefronts.

3. Who gives a shit if I don't have a income tax? Google "sales tax" and "excise tax".

4. Note that I never said artillery wasn't important, my own army has shitloads of it, I said that acquiring NS artillery wasn't a big deal since it's pertty comparable to RL stuff.

5. Only noobs threaten war ICly over OOC discussions, which fits with your lack of math or reading skills.

Now go interfere in someone else's thread.

OOC: You failed 2nd grade math? He said your population is less then twice the size of his, meaning that it was larger then his but not quite twice as large.

And the Nakil is a good general tank for armies who need a general purpose tank with good support and capabilities.

OOC: You failed 2nd grade math? He said your population is less then twice the size of his, meaning that it was larger then his but not quite twice as large.

And the Nakil is a good general tank for armies who need a general purpose tank with good support and capabilities.

I see. Well, my military is actually smaller then America, considering that my population is only barely bigger then America.

Is the Nakil tank very good?:confused:

Good enough that many designers use it as a benchmark of what's feasible.

As for assault rifles, I have one design that fires a pretty big round, an 8x65mm for busting through heavy body armour and possibly even early forms of powered armour. Actually, it's a battle rifle, but AFAIK that just means it has a bigger round.

I use M16 assault rifles, but I might need a good NS assault rifle instead, any suggestions?

As I said:
AY-112 (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1348)
AY-142 (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1464)

As I said:
AY-112 (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1348)
AY-142 (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1464)

Okay


I might need new carriers, aircraft, any suggestions?

I'd recommend the Doomani ACI-73 Aquila (very small, fast, stealthy, good weapons) or Tyrandisian Shukusei (even stealthier), both of which can be found at the same storefront. (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533908)

Of course, ICly I have ideological issues with buying from Doom, and don't consider Tyrandis much better, but they're very good planes. The Shukusei (called the Atratus in Doomani service) claims a kill ratio of 13,000:0; make of it what you will. (Propaganda or just that good?) It kicked my ass when I was invaded by the Questarian Commonwealth, so it must be good.

If you have the same ideological issues I do, Isselmere makes some good planes, though he specialises in ships. I linked to his storefront earlier, and IIRC he has a link to his aircraft storefront in his sig.

RE: Shukusei

I would OOCly discourage you from trying to buy them - they're terribly expensive to keep flying, and while combat losses have been minimal from its service record, the export model is dangerous and rather unsafe. I suggest buying aerospace from Isselmere as previously suggested, or Kriegzimmer. Questers is another decent choice.

OOC: And the Army´s primary assault weapon is ?

U.D.S.C is interested in being your small arms and explosives supplier to your your Military.

Take a look at our storefront to see if there is anything you like. Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13274174&posted=1#post13274174)

If you decide to purchase with us,we shall make you a good discount.

Thank you

The U.D.S.C Management.

Seems like Kriegzimmer's orders are rarely confirmed.....

OOC: Mac shifted to a new account after some downtime, and the people he left Kreigzimmer to for watching arn't that active.

OOC: Mac shifted to a new account after some downtime, and the people he left Kreigzimmer to for watching arn't that active.

I see......

I have begun a purchasing spree......