NationStates Jolt Archive


Rescuing the orphans from UIOT's clutches

ShogunKhan
25-11-2007, 23:22
After we have heard the admission from UIOT that they were using orphans and requesting more orphans for the purposes of transforming them into fertilizer, we have investigated and concluded a proper deal.

We sent in our punitive force in as bait and as distraction under the guise of an unarmed and naive group of merchants. UIOT sent in some forces to crush what he believed were easy pickings, they sprang our trap and they were outnumbered and unfortunately, they did not fight valiantly. We were disappointed at the lack of sport from this endeavor. Some had tried to surrender but they seem to have forgotten what they had intended to do to us had they been victorious.

Meanwhile, the rescuing force had already been located within the borders thanks to the relatives of the orphans who had moral outrage against their own government and we secured the children and rescued them out of harm and we also brought with us those who wanted to escape this regime of terror.

We have brought the children to an undisclosed UN country to conduct medical and psychological assessments of the poor victims by a neutral party. We have petitioned the UN for the privilege of adopting these precious children and their friends into our country and we are happy to say that our petition has been accepted.

On a side note, UIOT has provided us with enough material for the production of our currency for many years to come as well as providing a small stockpile for emergency use. We have compensated them wonderfully for their generosity. We only wish they can provide us with better sport in the future.
Evoinia
26-11-2007, 01:08
OFFICAL MESSAGE FROM The Office of the Evonian Vice-Commisar to Emperor Ceaser of ShogunKhan

Hello Friend and Comrade,

We have heard of your exploits in UIOT and indeed want to aid you with these children in anyway. The Grand Soviet, as recompense for the UIOT's actions, has decided to increase our output of state sanctioned yet illegally traded drugs to the underbelly of that aforementioned nation.

As well, our Wawaists are raising funds to aid these children and whomever else has escape the tyranny. The Grand Soviet has also decided to donate an aid package to the children as well.

In Solidarity,
- Maximillian Renault, The Right Honorable Vice-Commisar of The United Socialist States of Evoinia, Speaker of the Evoinian People's Grand Soviet, Ambassador of The Progressive Allied Union to the Socialist, Democratic and Liberal Nations of the World and Delegate to the United Nations.
The Dourian Embassy
26-11-2007, 02:50
Dear Friend,

From one warrior culture to another. Well done. It is not often that a nation uses it's power to truly liberate, rather than enslave. I know you requested my assistance before the operation, but as all can clearly see, the assistance was not required.

Thanks, Emperor Trey Dreizehn, Leader of the Dourian Empire.
ShogunKhan
26-11-2007, 03:21
update

UIOT is from the region of Modi Operato founded by UIOT itself, it currently only houses 2 nations in the region. The area is described as such:

World Factbook Entry: The region of Modi Operato is ruled fairly and just. Disagreements are usually resolved in winner take all, "to the death" contests; think early Roman Empire entertainment.

All major decisions will be decided using rock, paper, and scissors!!!

We have successfully infiltrated the United Nations. Our goal is for each member of the region to join us as UN Revolutionary Fighters. Eventually destroying the worthless buracrecy from the inside!!!!

It is self-evident how they must have mistreated their orphaned children. They used to be part of the 10000 Islands region and we are unsure as to the reason of their departure but we will investigate further if UIOT becomes problematic in the future.

ShogunKhan would like to thank Evoinia from the region of Progressive Allied Union and also we would like to thank The Dourian Embassy from the region of Antarctic Oasis. They have both offered strategic aid in the form of advice and post-conflict operations. We would also like to thank those nations who have assisted us covertly in providing us with transportation and use of airspace and use of staging areas and intelligence and communication services. You know who you are.

Lastly, we would encourage friends to assist the brave relatives who have remained inside UIOT to help other victims escape this repressive regime of turning orphans into fertilizer. We are trying to have a sort of underground railway to freedom.
Vontanas
26-11-2007, 03:32
Your actions disgust us. Violating the national sovereignty of UIOT and kidnapping their citizens? Inadmissable. You will return those orphans to their rightful owner, UIOT, or we will return them in coffins. This is your choice.
ShogunKhan
26-11-2007, 04:09
Violating the national sovereignty of UIOT

Oh you misunderstand, we were actually invited into their country and as they sought to pull a fast one upon us, we outmaneuvered them. We are not to be penalized for practicing their own game better than them.

kidnapping their citizens?

They were not considered citizens by their own government's admission but rather they were considered agricultural products. So under their own definition, we purchased their agricultural products with a transaction that they accepted. Not our problem if they cry foul once the transaction has been concluded.

You will return those orphans to their rightful owner, UIOT, or we will return them in coffins.

If you really consider them citizens, then you would also be guilty of murdering someone else's citizens, therefore you do not have the moral high ground in this. Besides, the orphans are in an undisclosed UN nation undergoing treatment by UN officials so take it up with the UN bureaucrats.

One thing for certain, the UN will not return the orphans to a nation that defies UN rules openly. Once they have been cleared by the UN bureaucrats, they will be transferred to pre-approved homes. If you want to go up against the UN, that is your choice.

Also, the admission of your desire to murder these orphans places you in violation of UN rules. You are a member of the UN, act diplomatically, not like a schoolyard bully, otherwise you will find yourself isolated and discover that you are not as strong as you think you are.

7-99-3 TT of Botrwa: "Let go of your fear and grow stronger in the release."

This is your choice.

Funny, it seems like you are the one choosing to portray yourself as self-righteous by acting immorally. We are not biting your bait, will you bite ours?
Vontanas
26-11-2007, 23:19
You presume we obey the UN, or follow morals. Such notions are laudible. All of the UN slaves in our nation are detained and tortured. And do to their massive bureaucracy, the UN does nothing to stop us. We will kill the orphans as soon as they're out of national waters, you worms.
Red Tide2
26-11-2007, 23:47
OOC: ShogunKhan: Did you RP any of this? If so, can you show me that you RP'd it? If not, then I am afraid you are godmodding.
ShogunKhan
27-11-2007, 02:00
You presume we obey the UN, or follow morals. Such notions are laudible. All of the UN slaves in our nation are detained and tortured. And do to their massive bureaucracy, the UN does nothing to stop us. We will kill the orphans as soon as they're out of national waters, you worms.

Well if the UN is under your control in your nation, I congratulate your deviousness. We honor skilled performance and you seem to have succeeded in doing something we have not even conceived of trying.

You risk angering UIOT if you kill the orphans as they may still have a claim to what they assume is their merchandise. Our only regret is that we can not spare any warships to help the escorts in another part of the world of where we reside. We applaud your capabilities of having such a great navy that is able to be deployed so far from your home and undergoing such a mission. Ooops did I give any hints as to the location of the orphans?

Perhaps we can clash on another occasion? Until then, we worms will continue to work the soil under your feet as you run in circles.
Vontanas
27-11-2007, 02:08
OOC: RT, I'm pretty sure he did it via TG

IC:

Spy satellites are enough to find your orphans. I shouldn't say find though, as we know where they are. Also, you will find that our Navy has a garrison in each of the worlds oceans that may be of use. Including your precious waterways. And even if we didn't we'd still have our orbital weapons.

OOC: SK, enough talk. RP the boats leaving port so we can clash.
Red Tide2
27-11-2007, 02:22
OOC: RT, I'm pretty sure he did it via TG.

OOC: Well, if thats the case.

IC:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM TSRT GOVERNMENT
"The Totalitarian State of Red Tide is outraged by the violation of national sovereignty of this 'UIOT' by the Empite of ShogunKhan. A nation has the right too deal with its own citizens as it feels fit. As such, we hereby declare war on the Empire of ShogunKhan. Total occupation and subjugation will be the punishment of their folly."
End Message

Somewhere in International Waters, close too ShogunKhan.

The Superdreadnought H-49 and the rest of the 2nd Dreadnought Battlegroup was on a routine 'power tour' mission, when it received orders too head for the waters of ShogunKhan... once they arrived, their orders directed them too anchor off of a port city and destroy any attempts at naval resistance by the Khanites.

In the meantime, a convoy filled with ground troops was being assembled.

OOC: A Dreadnought Battlegroup consists of:
5th Dreadnought Battlegroup
1 Raven-Class SuperDreadnought
1 Tsunamis-Class Supercarrier
2 Bluebird Guided Missile Cruisers
2 G(un)-Battleships
8 M(issile)-Battleships
12 Tidal Wave-Class Guided Missile Destroyers
24 Mockingbird-Class Frigates
Assorted Supply Ships
60 H/K-1 Surface Attack Aircraft
50 H/K-2 Interceptors
12 TC-2C Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopters
ShogunKhan
27-11-2007, 02:25
We would like to thank the great nation of Raxlavia from the region of The United Republics of Pangea for having offered supplies, medical aid and military assistance to the continued benefits of the orphans. As we are a small nation, we can only be grateful that other larger nations continue to hold the torch of righteousness.
Evoinia
27-11-2007, 03:18
The United Socialist States of Evoinia is truly appaled at the reactionary foolishness of The Totalitarian State of Red Tide.

We condemn with out a doubt the rash actions being taken by this nation in responce to a humanitarian mission. Thus, Evoinia along with her region will be sending supplies, including our wonderous bumper crop of mind-warping, state-manufactured drugs, to ShogunKhan for use against such a menace.

However, we will not be directly engaging in war... As we are a self-proclaimed pacifistic nation and cannot, by our law, enter into direct warfare.

- Max A. Renault.
The Dourian Embassy
27-11-2007, 03:31
OOC: Red Tide2, I've no idea your tech level, but I'm future teched. Shogun's under my protection, so this should be fun. I do have a few mutual defense treaties as well. Wonder if I can bring them to bear. I suppose you could still withdraw as well.

IC: Fortunately the Dourian Empire has no such compunctions. Douria, Christom, and Kharjackistan officially declare war on Red Tide2.

I'll be retargeting my orbital missile systems now.

I'd like to say, while they target your 2nd Dreadnought Battlegroup, that it's important to realize that genocide of any kind, even against orphans, will not be tolerated by the international community. Nor will it be tolerated by my nations. If you defend it, you must be destroyed.

Think carefully on your next actions. No blood has yet been shed. This incident can be resolved peacefully yet.

If you persist however, we will stop you.
Roseariea
27-11-2007, 04:14
The founder of the Roseariean nation and the Progressive Allied Union stands in front of the PAU and Roseariean flag, which is all that appears in the background. Holding a large, lit cigar comprised of the finest Roseariean herbal smoke, he addresses the forum from a video tape filmed in an unknown location, as presented by Gordon Tills, the present Roseariean delegate:

The actions of the UIOT are reprehensible violations of the human rights that the PAU was founded in order to protect. By direct order of the founder's chair in provisional agreement with the UN delegation, the PAU shall not stand idly by.

The nation of Roseariea officially opens its air space to the people of The Empire of ShogunKhan. Further, any aggressive action against the Empire of ShogunKhan by a third party not from the Region of Modus Operato will be met with the full force of the combined military might of the armed member nations of the PAU.

For our part, Roseariea is prepared to contribute the highest quality medical supplies possible along with the construction of dedicated military hospitals where necessary, accompanied by transport flight teams.

Further, Roseariea's recent expansion into outerspace has provided us with the necessary technology for highly advanced satellite related activity. We leave our statement at that.

Further, the pristine environment the Roseariean people have protected for so long will easily accommodate our new mandate to double agricultural funding toward the production of all psychoactive crops including our national specialities of opium, coca, mescaline, cannabis, amanita, salvia divinorum, peyote, psilocybin, and a wide variety of psychotropic cactaceae. In protest of the current UN bill at debate and of the actions of the UIOT we will be deregulating the international trade of these products entirely for the period of one year. Our most successful and industrious farmers in exchange will be assuming the responsibility of the transport of said cargo for all participating PAU nations and be awarded with the construction contract for all PAU facilities in the UIOT should occupation become necessary. We await with entertained minds the consequences to the authoritarian rule of the UIOT that would follow. We advise their immediate compliance with the ShogunKhan Empire. The Roseariean people are a peaceful collective, but when moved by such atrocity, we will fight with the most dedicated spirit any have seen.

In solidarity with all our comrades world wide, the Progressive Allied Union and The Roseariean nation.

Teloris Gueverra, Chairman of the Presidium of the People's Republic of Roseariea, nods slightly and inhales deeply, as the film ends to the Roseariean anthem.
Evoinia
27-11-2007, 04:28
Maximillian Renault wipes a tear from his eye as the video ends.
"Bravo! Our allies are comming in full force. We have sent emergency alerts to other powers and will hope to soon see the fall of our enemies."

He then stands and smiles.
"Now, if further conflict is incensed we may very well be forced to act. As noted, we are pacifists... However, our combined BioTech and Space Techologies can be used for a more... deadly purpose."

He coughed. "As you can see, we have rallied forth our entire region and will continue to gather allies at our side. Surrender to ShogunKhan would now be advisable."
Vontanas
27-11-2007, 05:06
OOC: RedTide2's MT... so am I... though I haven't declared war.
World Haven
27-11-2007, 06:57
the battle was already in sight. in a few seconds world havens forces would arrive. amongst the solders who were flying in the air (supported by nothing but their own energy) were people ten years old and up. the younger ones kept close to the older, more experienced warriors. also at the head were a few generals including ichigo, sacura, nanoha, and trunks. DATA SWORDS READY! shouted nanoha. each lesser soldier pulled out a datavice and then, with a thought, made a beam of digital energy burst from the tip, ATTACK! the soldiers flew down as the generals charged attacks. FIREY, shouted sacura, DIVINE...BUSTER yelled nanoha as ichigo released a slash of energy from his sword and trunks threw a barrage of energy balls. two of red tide's ships exploded, but the other two were intercepted. what!!!, who blocked it? looking around nanoha saw sephiroth in the sky and a fireball heading straight for her from the mouth of bowser. $#!^ taking out her datavice she spoke into it. Ross, we need reinforcements NOW!!! vira's forces are here I repeat, vira's forces are here!!!!! as hundreds of paratroopers and Hate haven soldiers appeared and killed a few solders (whose souls immediately where teleported to new, empty bodies waiting at home. those who were captured would not be so lucky.) now that that &!^(# was involved, the battle that had been going so smoothly could now go either way. the generals quickly gave the order to protect ShogunKhan and ally forces as well as the orphans....
Mavenu
27-11-2007, 08:39
. UIOT sent in some forces to crush what he believed were easy pickings, they sprang our trap and they were outnumbered and unfortunately, they did not fight valiantly. We were disappointed at the lack of sport from this endeavor. Some had tried to surrender but they seem to have forgotten what they had intended to do to us had they been victorious.


Wait a minute...the two of you (UIOT and yourself) are both UN nations. You've broken the Wolfish Convention on dealing with prisoners... See Here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7029659&postcount=32)

Article 5

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest. Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity. Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.
and
Article 9

Prisoners of war shall be evacuated, as soon as possible after their capture, to camps situated in an area far enough from the combat zone for them to be out of danger. Prisoners of war shall not be unnecessarily exposed to danger while awaiting evacuation from a fighting zone.
Mon Kye En
27-11-2007, 09:43
The Holy Empire Of Mon Kye En Finds The Actions Of The Nation Of ShogunKhan Among The Most Reprehensible Actions Ever Undertaken. These actions are:

1. Violation of sovereignty of the UIOT nation
2. Violation of the boundaries of the UIOT nation
3. Violation of the rules of war by firing on enemies clearly attempting to surrender
4. Engaging in a hostile war to further their own benefit and hiding this under the pretense of humanitarianism
5. Kidnapping

Also it should be none that The Empire of ShogunKhan has a very poor record on civil rights and political freedoms itself and considers its individual citizens as "human resources" and it forces them into do slave labor in war zones.

In response we call all nations to boycott all goods produced in part or whole in ShogunKhan, as well to sever all diplomatic relations and trade with ShogunKhan.
World Haven
27-11-2007, 11:25
I do disapprove of "taking no prisoners". I will intervene in such actions should i see any further attacks on the helpless. killing them because they would do the same to you is using revenge mentality which I am against.

however, we have more important things to address right now. Vira, my arch nemisis, has added her forces this battle thereby putting you all in grave danger. I would advise that you all retreat at once and let me handle her. if you absolutely refuse to retreat, then make sure that you do not engage her forces. if you are put in a position where you will be captured, DO NOT SURRENDER OR LET YOURSELF BE CAPTURED BY HER MINIONS. instead, kill yourself immediately and hop your soul can make it out of your body without being captured. trust me, there are far worse things than death. i would rather die than cease to exist by having my soul riped apart piece by piece after being trapped in a body I could not control and being forced to gut infants. wouldn't you? this is the sort of things she does with her prisoners/kind citizens. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE HER!!!
PS. I would come myself but I am afraid she may attack world haven in my absence.
Meadonia
27-11-2007, 11:48
CENTRAL COMMAND, MEADONIA:
Captain Andrews wiped his brow.

"Sir, with respect, I know we stay out of things but this is going to far! Surely even you can see that-"

The Chancellor cut him off with a sigh.

"I know. It's a pointless, pointless waste of human life. And yes, it sickens me. But we cannot reveal ourselves. We are so close..."

"But sir!"

"Don't you know how hard this is!"

The Chancellor sighed again.

"Captain, do what you will. I am making no official stance. I will not jepordize us thus. However," he winked conspiratorially, "I can't be responsible if some unknown aid workers turn up out of no-where...perhaps the Evoinians?"

Captain Andrews saluted.

"Consider it done, sir."
The Dourian Embassy
27-11-2007, 15:37
Wait a minute...the two of you (UIOT and yourself) are both UN nations. You've broken the Wolfish Convention on dealing with prisoners...

OOC: He never took them prisoner. They tried to surrender, he didn't let them. They never made it to prisoner of war status.
Hate Haven
27-11-2007, 21:30
Vira looked on the hovering energy screen and gave a smile that would drive an optimist to suicide. they look so surprised, did he really think I would sit back and watch as he helped rescue people. she gave a laugh that would make ones blood stop moving for a full minute.and at such a critical time to boot. this first confrontation was critical. so far, both her and Ross were unknown to the world. victory here was critical. to lose this battle would be to show weakness to the world. to win would be to strike fear into all the nations involved. on screen she witnessed a world haven soul teleport away. she scowled with enough hatred to freeze ice. WHAT A DIRTY TRICKshe screeched. how dare he protect their souls in such a manner. it was a fairly new trick new trick that Ross and his research department had set up. before, he needed hundreds of healers out there as well as high speed warriors to rescue the fallen before thy could be captured. with this, he not only needed far less, but also improved the safety of missions. on the wall opposite was a mother who had tried to escape hate haven. in the middle of the room was her nine month old infant. Vira angrily threw the wine glass she had been holding and smashed it on the child's face. the screams of the mother and child improved her mood significantly. she would win this battle and show that this world would be hers. Ross would not stand in her way this time...
ShogunKhan
27-11-2007, 22:20
A}Perhaps you should look into UIOT's self-admission of not obeying UN rules and deliberately trying to sabotage it internally before you start chastising nations who are following UN rules.

B}UIOT had challenged the UN as well as my nation personally as to the capabilities of even finding their orphans or evidence of UIOT's self-admitted crime. We saw no reason to avoid the challenge. We were invited in, we obliged. There is no reason to boycott our products.

C}Vontanas wished the orphans returned to their state of captivity so that they could be slaughtered by UIOT for fertilizer. The penalty for refusal was the destruction of these rescued sentient individuals. Can you see Vontanas' contradiction? So are the ones chastising my nation expect me to surrender the children to be murdered?

D}Red Tide2 declared war upon our nation based upon an internal argument between 2 UN members who were evenly matched. Can you see the overwhelming force that he sent to deal with such a small nation on such a small issue internationally? There were no official protest from Red Tide2, just an immediate declaration of war. And I am the one being chastised?

E}The orphans as a legal entity are no longer in existence, they have each been adopted by different families in several UN nations, therefore they are no longer considered orphans in the legal sense of the word. My nation has lost all rights to adopt any of these children and we had hoped to offer wonderful homes for them but some in the UN bureaucracy considered it was too hot of a potato to allow our nation to even have one.

Will UIOT's 2 protector nations declare war on each nation of the UN who has managed to adopt these children or attempt to murder each of them through terrorism? (assuming they have the capabilities to even find them at all).

So the orphans as an issue is closed. We prefer negotiation with Vontanas, we could settle our differences through a national game of (whatever is your favored sport... just give us the time to learn the rules and practice up to your level of expertise). We can negotiate what the prizes are for the victor as the time passes.

As for Red Tide2, we suggest immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of your forces. As World Haven has mentioned, other-dimensional beings seem to be waiting for either of our forces to open fire and attack both of us, on that note, I think it wise that we call it a day. Besides from the initial reports of the earlier battle, I believe I was informed that you lost at least one ship from these other-worldly forces? Ouch, since I was wise enough to know that you outnumbered and outpowered me, I assume you are wise enough to acknowledge the same and withdraw. Otherwise, I can not be responsible with what my allies or protectors will do.
Red Tide2
27-11-2007, 22:33
OOC: TDE: I am Modern Tech/Early Post Modern Tech, as such, I do not RP with Future Tech nations, sorry.

World Havens attack is ignored. First off, RPing my own casualties is godmodding. Second off, what do you think this is? Dragonball Z? I am RPing a modern tech nation/early post modern tech nation vs (what I presume is) another Modern Tech/Post Modern Tech Nation... supernatural events(which includes 'beings from another dimension') fall within the perview of Future or Fantasy Tech.

Anyways, any further IC action is put on hold until ShogunKhan answers this question: Are you Future/Fantasy Tech or Modern Tech?
World Haven
27-11-2007, 23:25
OOC: TDE: I am Modern Tech/Early Post Modern Tech, as such, I do not RP with Future Tech nations, sorry.

World Havens attack is ignored. First off, RPing my own casualties is godmodding. Second off, what do you think this is? Dragonball Z?


OOC: sorry for the godmod

IC: you hit the nail on the head! :D Allow me to explain. their are an infinite number of dimensions (a fly flapping its wings 9 instead of 10 times is enough to make an alternate reality). given enough information, i can find their coordinates. If some one comes up with a story, person, or physical law, then there will be a dimension matching their description exactly. in other words, when the person who wrote the story of DBZ, they inadvertently provided information on a dimension where such people and laws exist. this is how I locate dimensions and recrute people to help fight the good fight. It is also how I have gained some much technology and magical information. Vira does the same thing, we are at perpetual war over who controls which worlds. most of my generals where the main axis of the world that they come from. the lesser warriors are civilians of those worlds. world haven is a mixing pot of different people from many different dimensions.
Red Tide2
27-11-2007, 23:26
OOC:
World Haven:
...

I suggest you do NOT post here anymore, this is NOT Dragonball Z, this is NationStates. I am not going too take any of this crap.
ShogunKhan
27-11-2007, 23:33
OOC: TDE: I am Modern Tech/Early Post Modern Tech, as such, I do not RP with Future Tech nations, sorry.

World Havens attack is ignored. First off, RPing my own casualties is godmodding. Second off, what do you think this is? Dragonball Z? I am RPing a modern tech nation/early post modern tech nation vs (what I presume is) another Modern Tech/Post Modern Tech Nation... supernatural events(which includes 'beings from another dimension') fall within the perview of Future or Fantasy Tech.

Anyways, any further IC action is put on hold until ShogunKhan answers this question: Are you Future/Fantasy Tech or Modern Tech?

OOC-->How is that relevant? My nation is 110 million population and your population is 7.55 billion. I've been posting since 30th October 2007 and you have been posting since 3rd June 2004. I don't see how our nations are even closely matched even if we were in the same tech. What my nation just popped into existence? If you can attack a country that just pops into existence then I see no problems of playing by those rules as well.

If you want a fair roleplay event, then we both start on some setting with pre-defined rules on an equal basis. I had no idea what my other allies would do or not do, nor had I even conceived that there would be some who would take up the defense of a player who is roleplaying a leader who makes such insane claims (using orphans as fertilizer?) Have you even read the posts that he wrote? I'm roleplaying some leader with a minimum of intelligence to get to that position and then I am faced with statements like UIOT. Ignoring is one option, roleplaying with his fantasy is another. If he can make such "godmode" claims that he has infiltrated the UN and is really going to destroy them from the inside out, why not humor him a bit and practice my own roleplaying and learning the ropes of this forum. He had his fun at our expense, I'm having a bit of fun at his expense. I pretended that his claims were legit, why not?

Then you come in demanding that the rules be strictly followed and to not make outlandish claims. If UIOT can do it unopposed, why cry foul that his opponents have done a better job at it? Go chastise UIOT for his imagination before you chastise me or others for using our own imagination with more panache. Besides, my previous post has given everyone an out of the story without any drastic changes.
ShogunKhan
27-11-2007, 23:39
OOC:
World Haven:
...

I suggest you do NOT post here anymore, this is NOT Dragonball Z, this is NationStates. I am not going too take any of this crap.

OOC--> Not that I'm defending World Haven's liberal imagination, but why should we take UIOT's crap in the UN forums when he makes arguments like arming 2 year olds with firearms or requesting that we send him our orphans to join the rest of his orphans in making fertilizer? You are defending UIOT, be consistent. If UIOT can say outlandish things and you defend him, then World Haven has the same rights to say outlandish things.... at least World Haven's imagination is closer to reality if you consider quantum physics and chaos theory.

So don't criticize World Haven for doing the same thing that UIOT is doing and that you are defending, it makes you contradict your actions with your words.
World Haven
28-11-2007, 00:17
OOC:have you not seen the rp forums before? have you not noticed the EXCESSIVE number of nerds that post here? if your going to rp, then you should expect to run into things like this. the majority of people who would be interested in rp are thy type that play d&d. from the sounds of it, your just upset that my warriors wield world cleaving god swords and magical glowy staffs of doom :gundge: while your guys only shoot little guns :mp5: that wouldn't displace superman (whichever version of him I would send to fight you). I even have provided you with a vilan who can stand up to my forces. what more do you want?
Red Tide2
28-11-2007, 00:40
OOC: There is a key differance between what UIOT is doing and what World Haven is doing: BEING SOMEWHAT REALISTIC!

Turning people(orphans in this instance) into fertiliser is not some sci-fi technology or wierd ass magic, hell, we've been capable of doing it ever since we found out we can grind things. Turning people into fertiliser is merely a policy decision, albeit, one that requires a deranged mind to decide that carrying it out would be a good thing.*

What World Haven is doing, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. I garuntee you, no matter how hard you try you'll never be able too fly(or even glide) with only your own body. 'World Shattering God Swords' and 'Invincible Supermen' is getting into the beyond science-fiction, beyond rediculous category...

Another thing, my nation is an opportunistic one. It doesnt really give a damn about what a nations policy is. In this case, its only interest is to gain more resources and possibly set up a puppet government. Its just using the 'violation of national sovereignty' thing as an excuse too invade.

Now as too the 'infiltration of the UN' thing... well, reprimand him all you want on that, I wont stop you.

*And no, it is not anywhere close too impossible that someone with that kind of deranged mind would gain control of a nation.
World Haven
28-11-2007, 01:18
OOC: There is a key differance between what UIOT is doing and what World Haven is doing: BEING SOMEWHAT REALISTIC!

Turning people(orphans in this instance) into fertiliser is not some sci-fi technology or wierd ass magic, hell, we've been capable of doing it ever since we found out we can grind things. Turning people into fertiliser is merely a policy decision, albeit, one that requires a deranged mind to decide that carrying it out would be a good thing.*

What World Haven is doing, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. I garuntee you, no matter how hard you try you'll never be able too fly(or even glide) with only your own body. 'World Shattering God Swords' and 'Invincible Supermen' is getting into the beyond science-fiction, beyond rediculous category...

Another thing, my nation is an opportunistic one. It doesnt really give a damn about what a nations policy is. In this case, its only interest is to gain more resources and possibly set up a puppet government. Its just using the 'violation of national sovereignty' thing as an excuse too invade.



OOC: first of all, I provided theory to back up my story. second of all, Mr. imagination, what part of ROLE PLAYING don't you understand?

you seem to assume that I am the only one doing this sort of thing. people have nations populated by dragons, and no, I don't mean as animals, but a citizens. if you want to base your nation off of boring real life, then fine, just say you surrender, and go post in some thread that involves no role playing.

also "my nation is an opportunistic one"? if that isn't a politically correct statement, I don't know what is. the politically incorrect way of saying that paragraph is : "my nation is greedy and does not care about anyone but ourselves."

I am willing to respond calmly to intellectual arguments about policy, but when you try to tell me to GTFO :upyours: for role playing in a ROLE PLAYING FORUM, then you are going too far.

also to reiterate : mad because my people can own your people with advanced stuff ect. :mp5::gundge: :cool:
The Dourian Embassy
28-11-2007, 01:23
OOC: Red Tide, I think the point is moot, ShogunKhan and I have a mutual defense treaty, I have forces stationed there. If you attack him, you're attacking me, and since you don't RP with future tech nations, leave it be.
Vontanas
28-11-2007, 01:31
OOC: first of all, I provided theory to back up my story. second of all, Mr. imagination, what part of ROLE PLAYING don't you understand?

you seem to assume that I am the only one doing this sort of thing. people have nations populated by dragons, and no, I don't mean as animals, but a citizens. if you want to base your nation off of boring real life, then fine, just say you surrender, and go post in some thread that involves no role playing.

also "my nation is an opportunistic one"? if that isn't a politically correct statement, I don't know what is. the politically incorrect way of saying that paragraph is : "my nation is greedy and does not care about anyone but ourselves."

I am willing to respond calmly to intellectual arguments about policy, but when you try to tell me to GTFO :upyours: for role playing in a ROLE PLAYING FORUM, then you are going too far.

also to reiterate : mad because my people can own your people with advanced stuff ect. :mp5::gundge: :cool:

OOC: Stop being such a panzy. You're roleplaying Future/Fantasy Tech. He's RP'ing Modern Tech. They're not compatible. What's more, you godmodded, claiming his casualties. You obviously know nothing about International Incidents. Read the stickies, calm down, and stop acting like a bratty eight year old.

UIOT's claims however, are totally realistic. In a modern society, it is possible to give guns to babies. In a modern society, it is possible to grind orphans as fertilizer. It's even possible to infiltrate the UN somehow.
Meadonia
28-11-2007, 01:38
OOC: This forum is going to hell. I suggest everyone just calms down.

Fighting using future tech is fine. Fighting using magic/sci-fi weaponary is fine. I play Dungeons and Dragons, I get as much of a kick out of blasting someone's head in with Magic Missile as the next man. What you can't, under any circumstances do is GODMODE, and what you are doing is nothing short of that.

Okay, so please don't plead quantum physics/alternate reality/psuedo-science. If you do that, you can get away with pretty much anything; I might even invent the Improbability Drive (Thank you Douglas Adams!) and find out the probability that you don't even exist. Alternate reality, right? Or build a Death Star with no ventalation shaft. Deal with that, rebel scum.

World Haven - if you want to role play that sort of thing, do it seperately, okay? People 'round here get very...edgy if you push the boundaries to much.

Everyone else - please calm down. Arguments are fine, but refrain from mudslinging.

Thank you
Hyperspatial Travel
28-11-2007, 01:46
OOC: Dourians, it's a given that modern-tech and future-tech don't interact, except when the modern-tech nation involved specifically agrees to such. I can't tell a war to fuck off because they refuse to acknowledge my ally with fifty million Star Destroyers.

World Haven, I have no idea whether you're a very clever satirical parody of noobs by an oldie, or just a noob yourself, but nevertheless, assuming for a moment than you fall in the second category, there are a very great number of unwritten rules and standards which the vast majority of NS, especially modern-tech NS, abide by.

Now, if you are someone who knows what they're doing and are just taking the piss, obviously you're going to ignore this and have a good laugh. Otherwise, please read what I have to say.


OOC: first of all, I provided theory to back up my story. second of all, Mr. imagination, what part of ROLE PLAYING don't you understand?

you seem to assume that I am the only one doing this sort of thing. people have nations populated by dragons, and no, I don't mean as animals, but a citizens. if you want to base your nation off of boring real life, then fine, just say you surrender, and go post in some thread that involves no role playing.


Here in the game Nationstates, which is, of course, based off a modern-day nation-state, most roleplays are set in modern (or slightly postmodern) times. Since these fit most closely with the actual nations on your nation pages, they have no tags, generally speaking.

Other roleplays, which are generally either future-tech or past-tech, are marked (FT) or (PT) on the thread title, to indicate this. Therefore, if you're a future-tech nation, chances are you're not going to be able to participate in any modern-tech threads, unless all participants in said threads are willing to let you.


Then you come in demanding that the rules be strictly followed and to not make outlandish claims. If UIOT can do it unopposed, why cry foul that his opponents have done a better job at it? Go chastise UIOT for his imagination before you chastise me or others for using our own imagination with more panache. Besides, my previous post has given everyone an out of the story without any drastic changes.

You seem like a fairly intelligence person, and, chances are, you'll probably end up being a decent contributer here. Now, Nationstates isn't a game in the traditional sense of the word - there are no set parameters for winning or losing. Rather, it's a bit like a very big, very nerdy social interaction.

You need to understand that, firstly, UIOT hasn't actually posted here - or if he has, people have either ignored him or laughed at him. The forums are considered a discrete, seperate area from the telegram/regional message board functions, and, generally speaking, if you come on here complaining about UIOT's actions outside of the Jolt forums, we won't really give a shit.

Although I have no real interest in this thread (though the League would probably intervene if Red Tide invaded ShogunKhan to some extent), I just wanted to clarify those few things.

Anyway, here's hoping you all become participating, skilled NSers in years to come, even if you're a bit unsure about some things now.
Red Tide2
28-11-2007, 01:57
OOC: I was about too make similar points as HyperSpatial Travel, but since he already has brought them up... I am not going too reiterate them.

Also, I am seriously considering retconning my involvement in this. I was hoping for a decent war RP followed by a decent occupation RP(just because you lost the war does not mean you lost your ability to RP). However, it appears that those attempts have gone too hell and back.

Also, HyperSpatial Travel, what is this 'League' you are referring too? If my nation finds that ShogunKhan has some powerful (Modern Tech) friends, it will probably backdown.
Hyperspatial Travel
28-11-2007, 02:05
OOC: The League is the modern-tech version of my nation - I use this account to roleplay seperate future-tech and modern-tech incarnations, and, since the name Hyperspatial Travel is a tad inappropriate for a nation using modern-day technology, I refer to myself in the modern sense as "The League of Isles", or, in short, "The League".
World Haven
28-11-2007, 02:28
OOC: This forum is going to hell. I suggest everyone just calms down.

Fighting using future tech is fine. Fighting using magic/sci-fi weaponary is fine. I play Dungeons and Dragons, I get as much of a kick out of blasting someone's head in with Magic Missile as the next man. What you can't, under any circumstances do is GODMODE, and what you are doing is nothing short of that.

Okay, so please don't plead quantum physics/alternate reality/psuedo-science. If you do that, you can get away with pretty much anything; I might even invent the Improbability Drive (Thank you Douglas Adams!) and find out the probability that you don't even exist. Alternate reality, right? Or build a Death Star with no ventalation shaft. Deal with that, rebel scum.

World Haven - if you want to role play that sort of thing, do it seperately, okay? People 'round here get very...edgy if you push the boundaries to much.

Everyone else - please calm down. Arguments are fine, but refrain from mudslinging.

Thank you

1. thank you.

2. also, said sorry for the godmod earlier

3. god bless douglas adams

4. improbability drive does exist in that dimension that Mr. adams so detailedly described. if not for the feature that resets things how they were, it's use would be outlawed

5. unfortunately, I don't have the proper information to visit an alternate deathstar dimension. one most likely exists and is probably in trouble due to the lack of that all important shaft.

6. how dos I plays separately :confused:

________________________________________________________
upon reading further posts:

I did not know about the FT PT rule, though (i was invited to help in the effort by the OP). I thank you for that.
I don't know what you mean by oldie. does this mean that i'm ...noob :( ?

i will keep on using the inter-dimensional thing because the nations i have created are based entirely on it. if you desire that I pull my battle away from this one, then I shall do so. just pretend that you don't see the city sized balls of glowing fiery death exploding a few miles away:p
Jinos
28-11-2007, 02:38
OOC:have you not seen the rp forums before? have you not noticed the EXCESSIVE number of nerds that post here? if your going to rp, then you should expect to run into things like this. the majority of people who would be interested in rp are thy type that play d&d. from the sounds of it, your just upset that my warriors wield world cleaving god swords and magical glowy staffs of doom :gundge: while your guys only shoot little guns :mp5: that wouldn't displace superman (whichever version of him I would send to fight you). I even have provided you with a vilan who can stand up to my forces. what more do you want?

OOC: First of all, your 'theory' as to how you have aquired what you have looks like a fairy threw it up. In order to traverse dimensions themselves you would need a vast superior Future Tech nation, because it certainly isn't MT that you can traverse dimensions.

Second. You are RP'ing a fantasy nation, there is a distinct difference between Future tech and Fantasy tech. Namely fantasy tech isn't possible even with whatever technology you claim. "World cleaving god swords" is an impossibility, you might be able to explain how you are able to tear through dimensions with some wierd machine but not with some "magical god sword"

For the most part as said before, the techs aren't nessisarily compadible. Unless people agree to it. As far as I've seen, the Opening of this thread is MT.
Evoinia
28-11-2007, 02:46
OOC:

Well, now that everyone has had their little cry and whine. Can we get back to the War?

Oh and Hyperspatial Travel, this is based off of a comment from within the UN, where the earlier part of this played out.

Now... As for World Haven's attack. It was Godmodding and that is clear from how the attack was done in style not in weapon used.

So...I'd ask that we continue as if that attack did not occur and then move onward. Alright? Alright.
Red Tide2
28-11-2007, 02:54
OOC: Sure, but somethings come up... ICly that is, I am already involved in one war and am about too plunge into another big one.

So my nations now about too backpeddle.

Almost a pity, after all that arguing... Ah well.

IC:
Official Statement from TSRT Government
"The Totalitarian State cannot spare the time or forces too take care of the Empire of ShogunKhan, therefore, we, in our benevolence, are giving them a chance: a peace at the status-qou.

If you reject, it is not really our concern... we'll just come back for you later."
End Message
2 Girls 1 Cup
28-11-2007, 03:02
Don't give them back the children. If its too hot in your country to hold them send them us, we'll make sure there working in labor camps for the rest of their lives.
World Haven
28-11-2007, 03:03
OOC: First of all, your 'theory' as to how you have aquired what you have looks like a fairy threw it up. In order to traverse dimensions themselves you would need a vast superior Future Tech nation, because it certainly isn't MT that you can traverse dimensions.

Second. You are RP'ing a fantasy nation, there is a distinct difference between Future tech and Fantasy tech. Namely fantasy tech isn't possible even with whatever technology you claim. "World cleaving god swords" is an impossibility, you might be able to explain how you are able to tear through dimensions with some wierd machine but not with some "magical god sword"

For the most part as said before, the techs aren't nessisarily compadible. Unless people agree to it. As far as I've seen, the Opening of this thread is MT.

OOC:just said that I didn't know about the FT, PT, MT rule. I was playing under the assumption that PT,MT,and FT nations all occupied the same world.

also fantasy and future ar very much compatible (read more books and watch more anime :rolleyes: ) the whole god sword and magic staff of doom thing was SARCASM!!! :headbang: I'm sorry if that confused you (even though I do have warriors with huge swords and many could technically destroy the planet, but that wouldn't do anyone any good now would it.)

and you can too tear through dimensions with a sword! it requires the proper spells and coordinates are highly advisable, but it can be done.

also tell me ooc if you want me to separate my battle from yours so I can rp it properly
Jinos
28-11-2007, 03:15
OOC:just said that I didn't know about the FT, PT, MT rule. I was playing under the assumption that PT,MT,and FT nations all occupied the same world.

also fantasy and future ar very much compatible (read more books and watch more anime :rolleyes: ) the whole god sword and magic staff of doom thing was SARCASM!!! :headbang: I'm sorry if that confused you (even though I do have warriors with huge swords and many could technically destroy the planet, but that wouldn't do anyone any good now would it.)

and you can too tear through dimensions with a sword! it requires the proper spells and coordinates are highly advisable, but it can be done.

also tell me ooc if you want me to separate my battle from yours so I can rp it properly

OOC: There is a difference between quantum physics and magic. Magic will never be real, could you blow up a planet? Yes. an Anti-matter explosion would do it (Future Tech) could you do it with Magic, not unless it is Fantasy Tech. Can you cut through dimensions with a sword? Mabye, but some serious Future tech will need to be applied or you will go to Fantasy tech.

I watch plenty of anime and read plenty of sci-fi books. And sorry, any anime I've seen with dimension splitting swords is rated for Fantasy not Sci-Fi. Future and Fantasy tech are not compadible unless people agree on it.

Also, I am not in this fight, I would be, but as seen in my Sig. I'm postponning all II action until further notice.
World Haven
28-11-2007, 03:33
Don't give them back the children. If its too hot in your country to hold them send them us, we'll make sure there working in labor camps for the rest of their lives.

OOC: ok im fine with that. we can just ignore the exploding ships and say that the shots were misses or something along those lines

IC: DON'T GIVE THEM TO THESE NUTS! we will take them in. it's a perfect chance for them to have a proper home. we will even provide them the opportunity (if they want that is) to train in our forces so as to be able to defend themselves in the future as well as help rescue other people who have similar problems to their own.

also, ShogunKhan, I am sending you a sample datavice. you may use it to communicate with us as well as try the scan on someone who is willing to let you test it on them. maybe seeing it first hand will put your mind at ease.

also, vira's forces are seem to be retreating they have realized that I have separated the fight from yours thereby making the fight a wast of time. remain on your guard however. she may attack you if she thinks we are allies.

OOC: watch some bleach, scraped princess, and magical girl lyrical nanoha. you know helsing and trinity blood might not be too bad either, and maybe...
The Dourian Embassy
28-11-2007, 03:43
OOC: I just like to address a few issues here, then leave this damn thread be.

ShogunKhan has been under my protection since before you decided to declare war. You can't just "ignore" my presence there, that's akin to role playing an attack on someone who has tanks and saying you won't roleplay with anyone who has tanks, so their tanks don't exist. It's a ludicrous assumption.

RedTide2 you're being a bully. It's fine and dandy to be one, but my nation won't let it affect my allies either. I mean, you've basically stated you only attack countries you're sure to win against, after ignoring any thing that may beat you. It's a nice thought, but people aren't just going to ignore that either. ;)

There was godmodding, and bad RP to go around. I didn't even get started, and now I'm glad I didn't waste my time.
UIOT
28-11-2007, 04:00
...LET'S GET BACK TO THE PROBLEM...

Here's the actual post...

On the barren Islands of UIOT, orphans are used as fertilizer.
Or as weapons munitions test subjects...usually test are conducted in areas where future farming will occur.
It's a dual purpose initiative.
UIOT, Minister of Agriculture and orphans

Oh you misunderstand, we were actually invited into their country and as they sought to pull a fast one upon us, we outmaneuvered them. We are not to be penalized for practicing their own game better than them.

You did not outmaneuver ...no...you jumped threads!!!

The Bush-like misrepresentation by ShogunKhan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543891)

We were fine and then I read this?????

...we purchased their agricultural products with a transaction that they accepted. Not our problem if they cry foul once the transaction has been concluded.

No such transaction existed! You had nothing to offer. You have started a war and killed thousands because you are intellectually inferior and can not decipher sarcasm.

One thing for certain, the UN will not return the orphans to a nation that defies UN rules openly. Once they have been cleared by the UN bureaucrats, they will be transferred to pre-approved homes. If you want to go up against the UN, that is your choice.

So the UN is now a clearinghouse for children kidnapped from a sovereign nation??? "Cleared by UN bureaucrats"???? They'll be adults before that happens!!!

But I can not in good conscience explain to my citizens that someone has violated our nation's sovereignty and kidnapped hundreds of OUR CITIZENS without any action on our part.

Our munitions testing facilities have long since mastered some of the best chemical, biological, and nuclear radiation initiatives. In proportion to the number of citizens kidnapped, I sent only 5 WILLING VOLUNTEERS!!! Who just by the way...happen to be former orphans.

All five interactions have occurred. Your capital city suffered the worst with a demented martini of CBNR.

The 1st chemical variant dispersed perfectly and I'm sure you will under report the death toll.

The 1st biological variant dispersed as planned in your capital's largest emergent care facility.

The 1st nuclear radiation variant was saved for your port. An embargo might have hurt you, but no one wanting anything that even comes near you will probably hurt more.

One 2nd nuclear radiation variant was saved for your main summer vacation home. Killing the locals and ensuring that you and your family will not be able to enjoy that particular resort is ever used again in your lifetime.

Finally the 2nd biological variant was used in your second largest city. It's a nasty little bugger, but it's time delayed, strangely enough you have 24 hours, to diffuse it.

To the nations that offered us military support, thank you. We might not be big, but we are smart, and smart trumps big every time!!!

UIOT - Presidente per vita!!!
World Haven
28-11-2007, 04:02
OOC: come to think of it, the OP, ShogunKhan invited me to join the fight with an emphasis on needing my "interdimensional help" the whole argument about MT is therefore rendered null. while I admit that OP should have stated the nature of this battle, it is also true that you could have pulled out at any time. while yes, it is true that I godmoded, I stated an apology. I am new to this forum thing and am still learning the ropes. it was effectively a beginners mistake.

now can we stop going on about rules and get back to rp :headbang: ... tomorrow. I have physics homework to do. :(
Imperial isa
28-11-2007, 04:31
OOC FT and MT mixing in wars in II don't happpen (only if the rp not base on a movie like independence day)Due to FT kicking MT ass as FT have more powerfull weapons to call on
World Haven
28-11-2007, 04:33
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!! WERE ORPHANS FERTILIZED OR WERE THEY NOT!!!:headbang:

if they were not, then I WILL BE SOOOOO PISSED!!!:upyours: if my precious subjects were placed into combat with hate haven and captured BECAUSE OF A STUPID MISUNDERSTANDING AND SARCASIM, then I shall regard both of you as complete FOOLS!!! :upyours:DO YOU REALIZE THAT THOSE WHO WERE CAPTURED ARE SUFFERING A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH RIGHT NOW!!!:upyours::mad::upyours::mad::upyours::mad:
Jinos
28-11-2007, 04:59
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!! WERE ORPHANS FERTILIZED OR WERE THEY NOT!!!:headbang:

if they were not, then I WILL BE SOOOOO PISSED!!!:upyours: if my precious subjects were placed into combat with hate haven and captured BECAUSE OF A STUPID MISUNDERSTANDING AND SARCASIM, then I shall regard both of you as complete FOOLS!!! :upyours:DO YOU REALIZE THAT THOSE WHO WERE CAPTURED ARE SUFFERING A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH RIGHT NOW!!!:upyours::mad::upyours::mad::upyours::mad:

1. Don't use excessive emoticons, it is very annoying

2. Stop whining

3. I believe your post was ignored by the entire II community for godmodding no? None of it happened, to my understanding, you're not yet involved. You have no reason to cry about people who haven't yet to be "captured"

4. War is cruel, even if it turned out that some of your soldiers had indeed been 'captured' becuase of a missunderstanding it is no excuss to throw a hissy-fit.
World Haven
28-11-2007, 05:21
1. Don't use excessive emoticons, it is very annoying

2. Stop whining

3. I believe your post was ignored by the entire II community for godmodding no? None of it happened, to my understanding, you're not yet involved. You have no reason to cry about people who haven't yet to be "captured"

4. War is cruel, even if it turned out that some of your soldiers had indeed been 'captured' becuase of a missunderstanding it is no excuss to throw a hissy-fit.

OOC: I was still fighting even if the ships blowing up were ignored. their was a hate haven post that further emphasized this. I am also rather upset that I may have wasted my time with this.

IC: you don't understand:( ... the ones who were captured are not going to be released as prisoners of war...they won't even get to die... instead, they will have their minds read in a sickening way, have their bodies taken over, and then put into a holochamber. once inside everything but their inner thoughts will be under enemy control... they will then be forced to saluter their loved ones over and over again. they then will probably have their souls riped out and destroyed afterwards unless they become corrupted by the psychological torture.
ShogunKhan
28-11-2007, 05:31
OOC-->2 things.

1st}for future reference for those who are new including myself, where do you find the forum post of modern, fantasy and future? From what I see, all techs can interact in the UN forum to make laws and sometimes laws are rejected because it wouldn't be acceptable for someone in the fantasy section or the future or whatever. From that perspective, it seems that all techs would be allowed in the international forum. From the complaints I hear here, I guess not. I had assumed that specific tech-based roleplaying were limited to the regional forums, so that if you only wanted to play a modern game, you'd do it in the specific regional forum.

My original intent was to have the imagination clash between myself and UIOT, we are both evenly matched and I like his sense of humor/sarcasm. When 2 huge nations jumped in to blast at me, my only recourse was to point it out to others who would be willing to help. They helped and I appreciate the support. Then, the hill turned into a mountain.

I offered a realistic way out that did not do any statistic modifying damage so that we would just leave it as that. Now UIOT enters the fray with everyone's adrenaline pumped up and decides to place a finality on the issue, one that would change the statistics of my nation. Well its definitely a checkmate move. Well if its that important for you to win, enjoy the fantasy.

2nd}Lets just agree to disagree. Those who prefer Risk, enjoy! I will stick with the World in Flames crowd.

So will anyone else presume that I am godmodding and punish my nation by godmodding against it? Get it out of your system quickly so you can get back to your Risk game.
Jinos
28-11-2007, 05:37
OOC: I was still fighting even if the ships blowing up were ignored. their was a hate haven post that further emphasized this. I am also rather upset that I may have wasted my time with this.

IC: you don't understand:( ... the ones who were captured are not going to be released as prisoners of war...they won't even get to die... instead, they will have their minds read in a sickening way, have their bodies taken over, and then put into a holochamber. once inside everything but their inner thoughts will be under enemy control... they will then be forced to saluter their loved ones over and over again. they then will probably have their souls riped out and destroyed afterwards unless they become corrupted by the psychological torture.

Until such time the thread is identified as a Fantasy tech RP I assume your post and battle never happened.

Also, the government of Jinos officially does not recognize that souls exist.

Also, Khan, next time, read the stickies and the some of the links. If you did not want other big nations to join you should have put (Closed or Semi-Closed) in the thread title. As well as what Tech base this would be (FT/MT/PT/FT)
World Haven
28-11-2007, 05:51
Also, the government of Jinos officially does not recognize that souls exist.


OOC: see UN thread Soul scan act. within it I define the soul in a manner that you may find more acceptable. "soul" is only one of many names. I don't wish to explain it all over again.
Otagia
28-11-2007, 05:59
Or you could, you know, just tell us here so we don't have to go digging through the worthless pile of garbage that the UN forum is (or at least, in the opinion of most IIers).


1st}for future reference for those who are new including myself, where do you find the forum post of modern, fantasy and future? From what I see, all techs can interact in the UN forum to make laws and sometimes laws are rejected because it wouldn't be acceptable for someone in the fantasy section or the future or whatever. From that perspective, it seems that all techs would be allowed in the international forum. From the complaints I hear here, I guess not. I had assumed that specific tech-based roleplaying were limited to the regional forums, so that if you only wanted to play a modern game, you'd do it in the specific regional forum.
While you might be able to interact in the UN forum, you generally don't in II. There ARE FT, MT, and FaT subcommunities in II (I'm personally part of both the future tech and modern tech branches), but for all intents and purposes, the others don't exist in each one's continuum. So if you're in an MT RP, no Klingons allowed. If you're in an FT RP, you're going to get utterly smashed if you're using guys with M16s and flak jackets against QUETZAL Avatars with matter-conversion plants, gauss rifles with inertiics, and antigrav shielding.

There are, of course, situations where two or more can cross over, but only with the permission of the participants, or when specifically mentioned in the opening post. Of course, you're going to have a MUCH smaller audience then...
Imperial isa
28-11-2007, 06:08
snip

1. this is not the UN,this is International Incidents where the UN plays no part in how RPers play their Nations

2. specific tech-based roleplaying regional forums
there are none what you see is what there is, you should read the sticks which given infor about how each one works

3.
so if you are a MT Nation and go to war with me and i show up with a death star and wipe you out in one go,you wont jump up and down calling unfare?

edit dam you Otagia pfft not dealing this :P
World Haven
28-11-2007, 08:10
OOC: sorry, forgot that you did not know. got kicked out of the UN forum because the "soul scan" was not allowed and was considered more rp. the discussion starts in the UN and continues in II.

IC: if you really wish for a explanation on this, then I shale give one. the soul has many different names. some of these names include: spark, kernel, reality code, mind, ghost ect. the soul also looks different depending on your local physics. sometimes it is a string of code, other times its a bubble, other times it looks like a ball of electricity. dimensional code can be "read". It defines all traits of the said owner. it can't be edited unnaturally. (simply by living and experiencing things, it is always changing) the only way for it to change is to desire to have it change and for a powerful being to know how to access it. when I meet a person in another dimension. I offer them the chance to go under contract with me. this involves editing some powers and abilities (i can't add stuff, only edit already existing features) i also link their soul to all contracted persons as well as myself. they receive their own datavice and can use it to access this link (emotions, rank, personal strength, and general goodness tend to affect this link). when needed, they can access the unused energy of those they are linked to. (if their not fighting, their strength gets borrowed). Vira does the same, except when she contracts, evilness effects the link and she edits their good/evil balance, which is something I don't EVER touch.

there. I have explained it along with a lot more details then befor on how I relate to them.
Evoinia
28-11-2007, 12:33
Ok, this is horribly disappointing but whatever. Evoinia withdraws from this conflict as does the entire PAU.


OOC: If you want to RP with me, I'll be starting a new one soon.
ShogunKhan
28-11-2007, 12:48
Also, Khan, next time, read the stickies and the some of the links. If you did not want other big nations to join you should have put (Closed or Semi-Closed) in the thread title. As well as what Tech base this would be (FT/MT/PT/FT)

OOC--> understood. Are there regional forums that specialize in FutureT? Same question for MT, PT (Past Tech?) and FantasyT? I'd probably just make up some colonies of ShogunKhan who are stuck in those specific world's and are able to do one way transfers of knowledge to the home country. That way, whenever I want to do a roleplay thingie, I'll already have a nation suited for whatever tech without interfering with the home country.

Ironic how this orphan rescue turned into an existential debate.


3.
so if you are a MT Nation and go to war with me and i show up with a death star and wipe you out in one go,you wont jump up and down calling unfare?


I hadn't realized I had called it unfair. I just rolled with the punches as they came. Originally intended to just be two small nations pounding on each other. When bigger nations got involved, I called in my allies who were the same size. If you note, one of the nations sent an entire fleet over to my shores, now I won't criticize his realism but from my perspective, I was completely overwhelmed (I hadn't even considered if I would even have one modern warship considering my low population base). It just seemed a matter of overkill. My rationale was, if my opponent can engage in overkill, I don't see why I shouldn't have the same freedom--> hence the multi-dimensional aid.

What I do find amusing though, is that if I am to roleplay any tech level and I start some small war with a country my size, if there is any nation out there that has played this forum for a year or more and has 100 times my population, why would he bother his time to blast at me? As my ally stated earlier, I had been bullied and my ally pushed back and told the bully to move on. UIOT and myself had not stated any specific tech with each other, he made some outlandish claims, I made some outlandish counterclaims and whoops the bullies show up to blast me away to "teach?" me a lesson.

This whole argument of MT, FT and whatever is (in my honest opinion) just the bullies crying for having been beat at their own game. Left alone, UIOT would have been more entertaining to slowly raise the stakes with skirmishes here and there with some final blow. Instead, a mole hill became a mountain and the final blow showed up without an interesting backstory.

Illustration of what happened: UIOT pokes me, I slap him. 1 new player shows up with a baseball bat to support UIOT, another rushes in and starts firing his machine gun at me on full auto. I call my allies, they show up with their own machine guns and tell the others to stand down. One ally shows up with a Jedi.... ok its becoming overkill (the barfight is way out of proportion) but the guy with the machine gun is the first one to complain about fairness. Ironic, no? Why bring in a machine gun in a barfight? It may have evolved into that anyway but not that fast, UIOT hadn't even had a chance to respond... When he did, he naturally upped the ante and said that the bouncer grabbed me from behind and threw me out, victory to UIOT. What could have been an interesting tv series ended after the first 3 minutes of the show... sad, UIOT and I could have had the funny scenarios slowly build up as we try to outdo each other with more and more outlandish schemes.

I withdraw from this conflict as well (in case I wasn't clear earlier)
UIOT
28-11-2007, 13:40
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!! WERE ORPHANS FERTILIZED OR WERE THEY NOT!!!

Eventually. But their not considered orphans once fertilized.
Evoinia
28-11-2007, 19:09
OOC: I invite RedTide, UIOT, Meadonia, ShogunKhan, Dourian and all of PAU to join Evoinia in a history changing event (and a good way to get out some fustrations from this aborted conflict). We will be staging a Civil War RP shortly, with Evoinia battling it's worst enemy... itself.

So who will you side with:

Vice-Commisar Maximillian A. Renault: The Increasingly dictatorial, de-facto leader of Evoinia, who has many plans for the entire region.
(Controls Evoinian Capital, the area around his hometown[See Meet the Reps] and the Disputed Territories of Kritian [Seperate Nation])

Or...

Jonas Spyridon: The Former Leader of the Opposition, prior to the First Socialist Revolution in Evoinia. He was exiled by Maximillian's father, who intigated much of the first revolution. Jonas held hope to be allowed to return to the country after the Second Socialist Revolution which got rid of the Autocrats (Maximillian's Father and allies) but Maximillian has ignored any calls for his return. Jonas has recently allied with the Evoinian Soviet and disident members of the Council of Commisars (angered by Maximillian's slow accumulation of titles and power) to take him down.
(Controls Evoinian Countryside and various provinces.)
Roseariea
28-11-2007, 19:24
OOC: I invite RedTide, UIOT, Meadonia, ShogunKhan, Dourian and all of PAU to join Evoinia in a history changing event (and a good way to get out some fustrations from this aborted conflict). We will be staging a Civil War RP shortly, with Evoinia battling it's worst enemy... itself.

So who will you side with:

Vice-Commisar Maximillian A. Renault: The Increasingly dictatorial, de-facto leader of Evoinia, who has many plans for the entire region.
(Controls Evoinian Capital, the area around his hometown[See Meet the Reps] and the Disputed Territories of Kritian [Seperate Nation])

Or...

Jonas Spyridon: The Former Leader of the Opposition, prior to the First Socialist Revolution in Evoinia. He was exiled by Maximillian's father, who intigated much of the first revolution. Jonas held hope to be allowed to return to the country after the Second Socialist Revolution which got rid of the Autocrats (Maximillian's Father and allies) but Maximillian has ignored any calls for his return. Jonas has recently allied with the Evoinian Soviet and disident members of the Council of Commisars (angered by Maximillian's slow accumulation of titles and power) to take him down.
(Controls Evoinian Countryside and various provinces.)

OOC: OK I'm in. Where's this taking place? This thread or a new one. Just point me in the right direction.
Otagia
28-11-2007, 21:27
This whole argument of MT, FT and whatever is (in my honest opinion) just the bullies crying for having been beat at their own game. Left alone, UIOT would have been more entertaining to slowly raise the stakes with skirmishes here and there with some final blow. Instead, a mole hill became a mountain and the final blow showed up without an interesting backstory.
Hardly. If you'd bother looking about the forum, you'll note the plethora of threads with FT or MT tags in the name. It's an established convention in this forum, and it'd do you good to learn it. Also, II tends to move rather quickly, with wars escalating rapidly. If you'd prefer for them not to, perhaps you should move to another forum?
Evoinia
29-11-2007, 00:56
OOC: OK I'm in. Where's this taking place? This thread or a new one. Just point me in the right direction.

New Thread.
I'm going to get it ready in a second.
Evoinia
29-11-2007, 01:21
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13250627#post13250627
Vault 10
29-11-2007, 01:42
OOC:
I'm not Shogun's friend, but if we find a nation is being attacked for trying to stop mass murder, I'm not sure there won't be any forces in our nation that will require an intervention.

Don't underestimate such intervention based on Vault 10 registration date; (if you ask for it, I'll post from my 2004 puppet) - so yes, perhaps your war idea is a... very risky one.


If you note, one of the nations sent an entire fleet over to my shores, now I won't criticize his realism but from my perspective, I was completely overwhelmed (I hadn't even considered if I would even have one modern warship considering my low population base). It just seemed a matter of overkill. My rationale was, if my opponent can engage in overkill, I don't see why I shouldn't have the same freedom--> hence the multi-dimensional aid.
Because you shouldn't. Because it's in different timelines.
You can call out for help, and, believe me, if you're serious about roleplaying and dedicate your time to writing well, you'll receive a lot of it. One isn't allowed to wank just because he's overpowered.
World Haven
29-11-2007, 01:52
Eventually. But their not considered orphans once fertilized.

I can no longer tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I am therefore sending an investigation to examine your fertilizer. we will be able to not only detect DNA in the soil, but will also be able to determine when it got their, and how old the DNA is. we shall also potentially summon some of these children's souls for eye-witness accounts. a squadron of my best investigators are on their way now.
Jinos
29-11-2007, 02:07
I can no longer tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I am therefore sending an investigation to examine your fertilizer. we will be able to not only detect DNA in the soil, but will also be able to determine when it got their, and how old the DNA is. we shall also potentially summon some of these children's souls for eye-witness accounts. a squadron of my best investigators are on their way now.


:rolleyes:

Still with this soul buisness?
Otagia
29-11-2007, 02:10
I dunno, the magical girl stuff is pretty funny too.
UIOT
29-11-2007, 02:47
I can no longer tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I am therefore sending an investigation to examine your fertilizer. we will be able to not only detect DNA in the soil, but will also be able to determine when it got their, and how old the DNA is. we shall also potentially summon some of these children's souls for eye-witness accounts. a squadron of my best investigators are on their way now.

READ THE WORDS!!!

What happens when an orphan is fertilized???

Not turned into fertilizer!!!

Okay...separate note...now you're sending "investigators"! I don't believe I've opened my borders to you and your investigators? And I definitely don't remember allowing you to water-board the possible souls, of a possible fertilizer program that may or may not exist!!!

Bottom line, should they arrive at any of our ports of entry, they will be chastised severely!!! Then sent back to you with no "official" findings other than, stay out of UIOT unless invited.

UIOT, FROZEN ICE! (It's a long acronym!)
Zackaroth
29-11-2007, 03:05
READ THE WORDS!!!

What happens when an orphan is fertilized???

Not turned into fertilizer!!!

Okay...separate note...now you're sending "investigators"! I don't believe I've opened my borders to you and your investigators? And I definitely don't remember allowing you to water-board the possible souls, of a possible fertilizer program that may or may not exist!!!

Bottom line, should they arrive at any of our ports of entry, they will be chastised severely!!! Then sent back to you with no "official" findings other than, stay out of UIOT unless invited.

UIOT, FROZEN ICE! (It's a long acronym!)

OOC: I would just ignore World Haven. Obviously people are not understanding that FT and MT do not mix unless the people rping agree to do it.
Evoinia
29-11-2007, 03:07
OOC:
Just to mention again, I've started a new thread.
UIOT, your welcome to join as is everyone here, except for World Haven.

I do not condone in any manner blatant God-modding, no matter the period.

So, everyone but World Haven please head over to my new thread and lets get to war.
[Details posted there.]
UIOT
29-11-2007, 03:39
World Haven,

With the knowledge that your investigators have decided to return to your land, we the United Islands of Tony, our regional members, and allies in Modi Operato, bid you a found farewell.

May our next interactions together be as peaceful.

UIOT, Director of Misinformation - Big House Chief of Staff
World Haven
29-11-2007, 03:48
OOC: please define godmodding. :confused: The only instance that I understand to have done so is when I blew up those two ships. yet people insist on pointing out that i am godmoding. I already retracted the blowing up of ships. what am i still doing wrong? I am still new to posting in forums PERIOD. Unless you count places like 4chan, this is my first real time participating in a forum.
I never received word on whether to pull out completely from this subject or not earlier. I am now going to do so, so ignore any declarations of war i have posted in this thread. any further posts itt will be OOC. sorry if I unintentionally upset people.
Vault 10
29-11-2007, 03:55
OOC: Read the stickies.

Actually godmodding is when you refuse to accept losses. But people extend it to when you count others' losses.

The idea is: You shoot, the enemy tallies his losses.
Vontanas
29-11-2007, 03:56
OOC: please define godmodding. :confused: The only instance that I understand to have done so is when I blew up those two ships. yet people insist on pointing out that i am godmoding. I already retracted the blowing up of ships. what am i still doing wrong? I am still new to posting in forums PERIOD. Unless you count places like 4chan, this is my first real time participating in a forum.
I never received word on whether to pull out completely from this subject or not earlier. I am now going to do so, so ignore any declarations of war i have posted in this thread. any further posts itt will be OOC. sorry if I unintentionally upset people.

Read the stickies, for god's sake. It will do you a world of good.
World Haven
29-11-2007, 03:57
World Haven,

With the knowledge that your investigators have decided to return to your land, we the United Islands of Tony, our regional members, and allies in Modi Operato, bid you a found farewell.

May our next interactions together be as peaceful.

UIOT, Director of Misinformation - Big House Chief of Staff

OOC: not likely if you fertilize any more orphans :p . looks like sarcasm can be dangerous here. Might i suggest looking for a way to make your sarcasm slightly more ...blatant? sarcasm is harder to pick up if your reading. I like sick humor as much as the next sicko, but with nationstates, especially II, you can never tell ;).
Evoinia
29-11-2007, 04:02
I'd like to again remind everyone of this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544190

Evoinia (Spyridon's side) needs desperate aid.

And Renault's Allies (now Kritian) can come too!
Jinos
29-11-2007, 04:20
Everyone's said it, but really, Do read the stickies, they contain mountains of information that you need to read to go on in Nationstates without looking like a fool or a n00b.

That said, it was probably not the best Idea to go straight from 4Chan(the loosest breading ground for illiteracy and n00bism) to NS(by far the forum of most seriousness...lame I know, but I don't believe elitist is the right word)
Vault 10
29-11-2007, 04:27
OOC:
What, he's right from 4chan??
Jinos
29-11-2007, 04:31
I am still new to posting in forums PERIOD. Unless you count places like 4chan, this is my first real time participating in a forum.

Yup.
World Haven
29-11-2007, 04:42
OOC:just so you know, these mistakes were due to my general failure. I came straight from the UN and got sucked into this without reading the stickies.desu

also, if I ever plan on infecting NS with the cancer that is /b/, I will not be using world haven or hate haven to do so. those are serious and meant for serious rp.desu

in short I was not being stupid because I am a /b/tard but because I fail at life in general aka. noob.desu
Jinos
29-11-2007, 04:53
also, if I ever plan on infecting NS with the cancer that is /b/, I will not be using world haven or hate haven to do so. those are serious and meant for serious rp.desu

Are you saying that you control both World Haven and Hate heaven then?
World Haven
29-11-2007, 05:07
ya, I made a good one and an pure evil one. when you have heroes and stuff you got to have villains to fight. this makes the fight balanced to begin with. then other people change the balance based on their participation in the storyline. I initially intended to have hate haven start an undefined attack, let other nations join in, and then send in world haven and let things take off from there. but i got pulled into this on from the soul scan thread. this as probably a positive experience though. it will keep me from making future mistakes
ShogunKhan
29-11-2007, 05:51
Hardly. If you'd bother looking about the forum, you'll note the plethora of threads with FT or MT tags in the name. It's an established convention in this forum, and it'd do you good to learn it. Also, II tends to move rather quickly, with wars escalating rapidly. If you'd prefer for them not to, perhaps you should move to another forum?

OOC-->ya don't have to kick me after I already acknowledged my booboo. I just had the feeling that when someone did "x" it is called quick escalation, when I did "x" it was called godmodding. But the feeling has past and now I will be more into a "Risk boardgame" frame of mind when I roleplay with some people and I'll be more of a "World in Flames boardgame" frame of mind when I'm with others.

One last point, maybe someone should consider that a player who has a very well established nation attacking a newly established nation to be godmodding. The 5 billion population was acquired through an entirely different context without input of the new player. Why should anyone give a trophy to a black belt who wins a tournament against a student that has less than 3 classes and hasn't even received his white belt? Would you play chess against an experienced player who starts the game with an extra queen on the board while you are short 2 knights? The one who was worried that I had godmodded, was in that position vis-a-vis me. Pretty insecure of his abilities if you ask me.
Jinos
29-11-2007, 05:58
One last point, maybe someone should consider that a player who has a very well established nation attacking a newly established nation to be godmodding. The 5 billion population was acquired through an entirely different context without input of the new player. Why should anyone give a trophy to a black belt who wins a tournament against a student that has less than 3 classes and hasn't even received his white belt? Would you play chess against an experienced player who starts the game with an extra queen on the board while you are short 2 knights? The one who was worried that I had godmodded, was in that position vis-a-vis me. Pretty insecure of his abilities if you ask me.


Like stated, you don't have to fight big ass countries. It's just that they tend to be the most active around, I'm new(ish), I could possibly fight you, but I'm working on my fact book so not really.

There are plenty of new people around to war with, it's just you can't exactly tell where they are and whether their n00bs or newbs until a couple weeks later.
ShogunKhan
29-11-2007, 06:36
OOC--> I didn't, they jumped in. So I called in allies who were just as big. Then the ones who jumped in cried foul. If it had been only me and UIOT, we wouldn't talking about this here and now.
Jinos
29-11-2007, 06:48
OOC--> I didn't, they jumped in. So I called in allies who were just as big. Then the ones who jumped in cried foul. If it had been only me and UIOT, we wouldn't talking about this here and now.

In the future then, write CLOSED RP.
Vault 10
29-11-2007, 12:46
also, if I ever plan on infecting NS with the cancer that is /b/, I will not be using world haven or hate haven to do so. those are serious and meant for serious rp.desu
Infecting NS with /b/ is useless... just like raiding /b/. In half a year you'll understand why.


http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1114&view=findpost&p=2534608

Don't go here if you value your sanity.
http://www.anonib.com/_ircquotes/index.php?b=1&g=3
World Haven
30-11-2007, 00:29
Infecting NS with /b/ is useless... just like raiding /b/. In half a year you'll understand why.


http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1114&view=findpost&p=2534608

Don't go here if you value your sanity.
http://www.anonib.com/_ircquotes/index.php?b=1&g=3

OOC:
I can feel the fail emitting from this so called "/d/" 4chan and come to think of it, almost all the other "chans" are> anonib

also, what sanity? I surf 4chan after all
ShogunKhan
30-11-2007, 01:47
In the future then, write CLOSED RP.

thanks for the advice, will do that in the future.
Vault 10
30-11-2007, 02:35
OOC:
I can feel the fail emitting from this so called "/d/" 4chan and come to think of it, almost all the other "chans" are> anonib
You don't realize. It's where a good part of the NS community hangs out... when not on the real 7chan and lesser chans.


Infecting NS with /b/ is like raiding 4chan.
World Haven
30-11-2007, 10:35
OOC:

You don't realize. It's where a good part of the NS community hangs out... when not on the real 7chan and lesser chans.


Infecting NS with /b/ is like raiding 4chan.

everything else>cancer>AIDS>4chan>7chan>the other chans>anonib.

and 4chan would find a way, you know deep down in the inner sanctum of your mind that they would. they always do.