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As per this thread in moderation: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542569


I'm opening up a discussion of the new potential II sticky/stickies, and what we should keep/scrap, and how we should go about doing it. Read the previously mentioned thread first, then go from there.

What about my suggestion - will it do?

To remind, I suggest having a few persons making the first posts and maintaining their respective sections. I can take technology and tactics, somebody else the general nation roleplay advice, somebody else character roleplay.

This will ensure some extra robustness, spread the workload, and make sure each section's caretaker specializes on that topic and stays in touch.

I don't know if that's a viable plan. players go away, become inactive, forget their stickies, etc... I think it would be a better plan to have a consolidation sticky in this format:


Everything You Need to Know About War

(insert text here summarizing important points, tactics, etiquette, that sort of thing.)

For further reference:

(list of links)

Vault 10's plan seems to me to be basically a rehash of the current thread setup. If we want it to be more of a helpful, important, concise resource, I think it needs a new format- when I first started, it wasn't much help for me, I think because the format threw me off.

A subdivided list with summary text and a list of links, in my opinion, would be the best format.

Your going to need more Than a couple lines to say everything you need to know about war. The summary would hardly be enough. And the reason we are having this conversation is because we have new material that is updated. Many stickys do not need to be updated, as they are essentially timeless. The ones that do are eventually replaced or edited by the owner.

Actually, I rather like the current system. It just needs to be updated with new threads occassionally.

V10, if your plan does get accepted and you can't find anyone to help, I can lend a hand, but if possible I'd rather not.

Your going to need more Than a couple lines to say everything you need to know about war. The summary would hardly be enough.

Yes, I realize that. That's why we provide the links to the greater material, material that isn't outdated. A short summary with in-depth references is a prime form.

And the reason we are having this conversation is because we have new material that is updated. Many stickys do not need to be updated, as they are essentially timeless. The ones that do are eventually replaced or edited by the owner.

Again, I know. Euro asked elsewhere for a whole discussion on completely revamping the sticky, and that's what I'm doing. The consolidation thread should be just that- a consolidation of timeless material that is an aid to players old and new.

I don't really think any of these threads can be summarized in a sentence or two.
Maybe noted what's it about, but not really more.

Okay, then we can do with only a one/two line tag. It's not that difficult.

It's of my opinion (unofficial, as of now) that threads that have the main purpose of listing storefront (with links to each storefront), embassies (same), and other threads similar to that are bound to be outdated in time, and should certainly not be stickied, as they become old, and the thread owner will fall behind in updating it.

Threads that include information that does not change over time, and continue to be useful (info about war, diplomacy, etc) are the most important thing to this subforum, as they teach newer players on information that majority of the older players agree upon.

If a new sticky is to be made, it should abide by what I've mentioned above. Linking to any 'list of storefronts' or any thread of that nature (of which will become outdated in time) will ultimately be a bad idea.

Threads that become outdated could be kept in a temporary Sticky Thread consolidation thread. This way people who's threads are stickied know that they need to make sure all threads they own are updated and current, as such time that they are not... They are deleted. And the ones that contain Info should stay immortalized.

Working on the list now. Takes a lot of time to read, but posted on the Draftroom forum for some extra review.


It's of my opinion (unofficial, as of now) that threads that have the main purpose of listing storefront (with links to each storefront), embassies (same), and other threads similar to that are bound to be outdated in time, and should certainly not be stickied, as they become old, and the thread owner will fall behind in updating it.
Yes, I guess such threads shouldn't be linked. Possibly, if someone decides to keep a thread on contemporary embassies/storefronts/etc, we can link to one thread for it all, as long as it's kept to date The sticky is currently quite crowded, meaning that removals within reason only help.

A question is what to do with Earths. They don't get obsolete as fast. So keep their list?

Just my opinion, but I don't think stickies help at all. Too many of them and too much to read.

Well, to everyone, how many threads, approximately, do you think should be linked in the sticky?
Currently there are 53 in four sections, plus 4 posts.



If we decide 50 is too many, I'm thinking of selecting 20-25 most important links, only one on each topic with few exceptions, then putting a long space and adding after them a "further reading" section. That one will contain links to whatever. This has an advantage of looking more accessible, but a disadvantage of spreading threads on the same topics.

May watn to consider this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535249) to be in there somewhere.

Just my opinion, but I don't think stickies help at all. Too many of them and too much to read.

They work for those who take the time to read what the stickies offer. Something is better than nothing, given that having nothing doesn't help at all, either.

Maybe we should create a sticky to put the stickies in. Or has someone already said that?

Just my opinion, but I don't think stickies help at all. Too many of them and too much to read.

You're welcome to not read them.

Maybe we should create a sticky to put the stickies in. Or has someone already said that?

That's pretty much what the Consolidated thread is, a bunch of stickies that were put in one massive sticky.

Well, to everyone, how many threads, approximately, do you think should be linked in the sticky?
Currently there are 53 in four sections, plus 4 posts.



If we decide 50 is too many, I'm thinking of selecting 20-25 most important links, only one on each topic with few exceptions, then putting a long space and adding after them a "further reading" section. That one will contain links to whatever. This has an advantage of looking more accessible, but a disadvantage of spreading threads on the same topics.

Why put a limit? The idea is to put all of the links to the various threads into one sticky. You can link 50,000 threads in it, it doesn't necessarily matter, it's only 1 sticky thread. There shouldn't be a limit on the number of threads linked in the sticky post, that is absurd. We should put whatever thread needs to be in it and each thread should provide some sort of accurate and proper detail. You could split them up into different sections (i.e. rules, information threads [nuclear program for example], influential RPs [white tower like], and what not). Let the people decide which ones to visit but don't limit their options...

You're welcome to not read them.

Respectfully bows.

"Yes My Lord."

The Compass to International Incidents (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543985)

AKA: How I think the considated sticky should be done.

It seems that you've basically put the old sticky into multiple posts, which is what we don't want. What V-10 and others are doing is getting rid of outdated one's, adding new one's, etc.

This is just a re-hash of the old one's.

Then, why did this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437653)get posted??

Also, I can make it one post if that's what we're looking for.

Then, why did this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437653)get posted??

Also, I can make it one post if that's what we're looking for.

What? Yours is just a re-hash of that. What we want is NEW stickies, get rid of OLD stickies, KEEP some stickies.

What? Yours is just a re-hash of that. What we want is NEW stickies, get rid of OLD stickies, KEEP some stickies.

Well, I will point out that mine shows several imortant posts that are left out of the other one, and what do you mean by new stickies, There is no way to put that all into one or two posts that I can think of right now, but I'll keep thinkin'.

MAYBE though:

A General Intro&Rules Sticky
A War-Economy-Trade Sticky
A Design Sticky

Each with their own link repository and a summary of what stuff is.

Well, with all due respect, it's really just a rehash... We need more reworking, and there's a list formed on the Draftroom already.

It's good, though, that someone else is interested and ready to take the initiative. Would be nice to have another keeper on board.
Get on MSN - we can discuss there.

Well, with all due respect, it's really just a rehash... We need more reworking, and there's a list formed on the Draftroom already.

It's good, though, that someone else is interested and ready to take the initiative. Would be nice to have another keeper on board.
Get on MSN - we can discuss there.

I'm glad he went ahead and made a clean palette to work on. It might be a rehash, but it'll be easier to update with an active OP. It gives us a better opportunity to get things moving.

Well, with all due respect, it's really just a rehash... We need more reworking, and there's a list formed on the Draftroom already.

It's good, though, that someone else is interested and ready to take the initiative. Would be nice to have another keeper on board.
Get on MSN - we can discuss there.

I'm going to keep his stickied, for now, for the sake of furthering the thread along with what you're currently working on (as well as an easy way to reference the thread, in order to improve it). It's not going to be a permanent thing.

Echo, no offense, but your world theory thread really doesnt have any buisness being stickied. For one, it is only a theory, and a rather disagreeable one at that. If I had the time and attitude for it, I could tear your argument apart. Another problem is that it showcases only one viewpoint, oblivious to the many other out there. To not appear so ignorant, one would have to sticky other threads with seperate theories. We want to cut down on the bulk of threads, not increase them. On the same note, this is a rather, well, pointless thread, and I believe that it is not necessary as we move foward with the work on this sticky.

Echo, no offense, but your world theory thread really doesnt have any buisness being stickied. For one, it is only a theory, and a rather disagreeable one at that. If I had the time and attitude for it, I could tear your argument apart. Another problem is that it showcases only one viewpoint, oblivious to the many other out there. To not appear so ignorant, one would have to sticky other threads with seperate theories. We want to cut down on the bulk of threads, not increase them. On the same note, this is a rather, well, pointless thread, and I believe that it is not necessary as we move foward with the work on this sticky.

This thread is still useful, as we're not completely finished with the final thread, so any further discussion on the proposed final sticky goes here.

Echo, no offense, but your world theory thread really doesnt have any buisness being stickied. For one, it is only a theory, and a rather disagreeable one at that. If I had the time and attitude for it, I could tear your argument apart. Another problem is that it showcases only one viewpoint, oblivious to the many other out there. To not appear so ignorant, one would have to sticky other threads with seperate theories. We want to cut down on the bulk of threads, not increase them. On the same note, this is a rather, well, pointless thread, and I believe that it is not necessary as we move foward with the work on this sticky.

notice I only included that when I knew it was gona be a temporary thing. If I though this (the sticky) was going to have any kind of staying power, I'd have Euro take it (the link to my theory) down right now, which Euro is free to if Euro feels like it. I know it shouldn't be in the final, no theories should for the reasons you stated, and for the fact that theories die down, new ones come up, and they are not essential to playing the game. I must ask that you don't tear it apart because I took quite a time coming up with it and for some reason, maybe its undiagnosed OCD of some sort, I had to explain it to my self in writing, and well, I'd already written it, so I posted it, and knowing it was a temp siticky, well, I thought I might give it some publictiy; 15 minutes of fame, if you will.

EDIT: Euro he was refering to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13242797), not the whole thread. In case you didn't know.

I think that the Compass makes it a fair lot easier for the stickies to be accessible to those that really need them: new players. The branched out and sequentialized design makes it easier for new users to understand the II world from the roots up, and a lot less confusing for them to remember which thread they were on before theyfell asleep in a vain attempt to read them all in one sitting.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13242797

.. was able to be advertised for a while, but I went ahead and removed it. You're welcome to link to it in your signature, Echo.

How futuristic can your thech be? like, if my nation were to creat some advanced biothech would that be OK? like cyborges would be out of range of corse but what would be?

How futuristic can your thech be? like, if my nation were to creat some advanced biothech would that be OK? like cyborges would be out of range of corse but what would be?

You're welcome to do whatever you'd like. After all, it's your nation and your imagination. ;) Free-form roleplay allows for you to do so, which is encouraged here, just as long as it's not 'invincible' (godmoding).

I'm a brand-new NS player, and I've been reading through the Compass to get oriented. First off, thanks to all who put that together; it's been immensely helpful. There's one thing I haven't been able to find, though, and I'm hoping someone wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction. I've used the Thrace calculator to find my GNP, but I'm not entirely sure what to do with the information. Specifically, I want to send humanitarian aid to another country, but I'm not sure how to determine a "reasonable" amount. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated. Again, thanks for putting together such a comprehensive guide! :D

I suppose you'd take that from your defense budget. Good to hear people are using my thread!

I suppose you'd take that from your defense budget. Good to hear people are using my thread!

Thanks for responding so quickly. But I'm still a little lost. Where can I find out how much, say, a few thousand palates of medical supplies would cost, just ballpark, so I know how much to take out of said defense budget? Or a how many blankets I can send, or whatever. Does that make sense?

Thanks for responding so quickly. But I'm still a little lost. Where can I find out how much, say, a few thousand palates of medical supplies would cost, just ballpark, so I know how much to take out of said defense budget? Or a how many blankets I can send, or whatever. Does that make sense?

I would suggest goggling 'U.S. aid to foreign countries' and that should give you the amounts the U.S. spends. For medical supplies it may behoove you to look on some websites and find the appx. cost.

Under "Section 6: Lists, Pictures, and Places – Various Information on Several Nations"

"National Imports/Exports Thread" and "Place to Post National Constitutions" are linked to the same thread.

Always glad to help!

Under "Section 6: Lists, Pictures, and Places – Various Information on Several Nations"

"National Imports/Exports Thread" and "Place to Post National Constitutions" are linked to the same thread.

Always glad to help!

Not sure that the person who made the sticky is even around anymore...

Also not quite sure that the National Imports/Exports thread deserves to be stickyed.

Thought I'd put this up for consideration under war.

Name. Casualties and How to Take Them
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557737

I'm sure that'd be useful to many.

I think Section 6 Number 8, needs a new link. It should be for the Constitutions.

Hi guys, i was just wondering how you change the government spending into other areas because i want to change them, 2nd of all how do i make my army i.e do i need to post it somewhere or what? Sorry but i just started i read all the read but couldn't find those 2 things.

Hi guys, i was just wondering how you change the government spending into other areas because i want to change them, 2nd of all how do i make my army i.e do i need to post it somewhere or what? Sorry but i just started i read all the read but couldn't find those 2 things.

That sort of question should be asked in the gameplay forum, because it deals (I think, the english is sort of broken) with managing your game stats.

This part of the forum is for roleplaying.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566698

A perfect example of fighting with special forces/small forces.

Not to forget a great RP all around and after looking through the compass, I couldn't find another good example of such a RP.