NationStates Jolt Archive

Seeing as I am sure many people would want to join Antigonal’s thread, but cannot due to not being invited to join, I believe that it would be fairly cool to start a good old fashioned High Medieval/Renaissance age rp. A thing I wish to change is that I wish to add a different type of point, abet it is a tad bit complex, because I wish to design a system which can be controlled by people as they choose their path of development.

Another thing is that the set up will determine a number of factors which are technological, military, resource, and finical points.

Claim Rules:

Essentially, for the time being everyone begins in a signal region and from there can expand, though one note Iberian countries, France, Italy, and England can claim African costal islands up to Equatorial Guinea and/or the Azores. As well, western European countries can claim one large countries (Italy, England, France, Germany, Russia, and Spain), along with two small population countries (Scotland, Wales, Ireland, countries of the former Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Baltic states, Belarus, and the small princes states), or one medium country in the place of the two smaller countries. Moving on towards those with medium sized countries, (Poland, Ukraine, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Portugal, and Czechoslovakia.), for which you can get two of them, with one smaller country, or you can get one medium country with three smaller countries going along with it. For things like claiming smaller areas of other countries we can work out something.

Asian claims are a different story and present a wind range of problems which will have to be addressed on a case by case basis.

There will be any sub-Sharan African claims, unless neogitated by TG with me.

American claims keep them to areas of the Meso-American civilization areas.

Tech Rules:

While, the tech will be exactly from the mid fifteenth century, arts/buildings can exist of anything up to the 1550’s so you guys can get the best of the statues and palaces from the Renaissance if you want. Another thing sailing is advanced to sail across the Atlantic currently, but I will create an event for this.

Nation Creation Rules:

Considering that the new world has not been discovered yet, and there have been no long distance population exchanges yet, there will be no European nations in the world. Though one note you can have a European majority country in the Near East or in North Africa,, or a Turk or Arab (though not majority) country in Europe.

Factbooks:

Include things like a the name of the country, population, language(s), capital, and trade resources. As well, please create a society section and a brief history of your nation so as to give a good background of your nation. One note this will determine what types of revolts can occur in your nation.

Events:

I will not be responsible for the creation of internal problems as I will be such a nuisance as to throw random events at you. At times though I may say your ruler has been acting to harshly and has to do something to maintain stability, but feel free to inventive. *Cough* Intimate Ivan the Terrible*Cough*or Vlad the Impaler if you want*Cough* As well, I will post the begging of the New World colonization, but for things like the actual exploration of lands or sailing deeper down the coast of Africa, past the current edge of European voyages at Cape Verde, that is up to you guys as long as your are reasonable.

Map: http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapra9vh9mn0.png

*China is taken*

Blue: The Scandinvans

So could we claim Italy, Tunisia, and Libya?

Reserved

So could we claim Italy, Tunisia, and Libya?You can have the costal areas of Tunisa, northwestern costal Libya, Corsica, and Italy.

Can I be Switzerland? Of decent strenght, OK size, and kind of out of the way, not too important to the success of the rp, but still infulencial. I just know that I likely have a big rp coming in the near future, however, Cross-Country season is over so I have more time to rp.

Well then, Scotland please.

You can have the costal areas of Tunisa, northwestern costal Libya, Corsica, and Italy.

Sounds great, I'll take it

Can I be Switzerland? Of decent strenght, OK size, and kind of out of the way, not too important to the success of the rp, but still infulencial. I just know that I likely have a big rp coming in the near future, however, Cross-Country season is over so I have more time to rp.Sure you can have Switzerland.

Imperial China then, if you will.

Sure you can have Switzerland.

Actually, I don't mean to complicate things, but, I just thought about this, if you are going to go into go into colonizing the New World, well, lets not forget that there are already people over there (Native Americans), So what I think I'd rather do instead, is play the resistance to the colonization. Obviously, I can't hold down all the tribes that resisted on both continents, but, I'll go with where ever everybody decides to colonize first the most. If it is more equal, then I'll probably choose to play North American Tribes. (Mainly the Cherokee, it’s in my blood, literally, on my great grandmother's side, she was full blooded Cherokee.)

Imperial China then, if you will.Sadly, I just invited someone to rp China, but if you want I can put you on runner up for it if they turn it down.

Actually, I don't mean to complicate things, but, I just thought about this, if you are going to go into go into colonizing the New World, well, lets not forget that there are already people over there (Native Americans), So what I think I'd rather do instead, is play the resistance to the colonization. Obviously, I can't hold down all the tribes that resisted on both continents, but, I'll go with where ever everybody decides to colonize first the most. If it is more equal, then I'll probably choose to play North American Tribes. (Mainly the Cherokee, it’s in my blood, literally, on my great grandmother's side, she was full blooded Cherokee.)You can rp both Switzerland and rp the tribal resistance, though you do not get guns just yet.;)

You can rp both Switzerland and rp the tribal resistance, though you do not get guns just yet.;)

Then that it shall be!

Alright then, China if not then the Grand Duchy of Muscovy (Moscow).

Then that it shall be!*Gives a bag of cookies as pay*

And a freaky Disney song in Icelandic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=S467b00UYtU

Alright then, China if not then the Grand Duchy of Muscovy (Moscow).You got it!:p

*Gives a bag of cookies as pay*

And a freaky Disney song in Icelandic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=S467b00UYtU

woah, yea, that, that right there, that, was weird.

Did you guys notice the guy's voice going from mousey to deep? Rather creepy.

woah, yea, that, that right there, that, was weird.The translation was actually fairly accurate so guess that makes that my weirdest video of the year.

The translation was actually fairly accurate so guess that makes that my weirdest video of the year.

so, do your speak Icelandic? I assume so as otherwise you could not have known about the translation's accuracy.

so, do your speak Icelandic? I assume so as otherwise you could not have known about the translation's accuracy.To be honest I do not know anymore due to teaching myself parts of different languages and also because I know some people who speak Icelands, technically a dialect closely realted but enough to give a decent translation and they said it was rough yet good.

To be honest I do not know anymore due to teaching myself parts of different languages and also because I know some people who speak Icelands, technically a dialect closely realted but enough to give a decent translation and they said it was rough yet good.

Intresting. Yea, I take spanish in school, that's about it for me and foreign languages. (Yawn, it is almost midnight over here, and there is school tomorrow:(, I am signing off for tonight with this post.)

May I claim England?

May I claim England?Sure. might I also make you aware you also have the right to claim two smaller countries.

Sure. might I also make you aware you also have the right to claim two smaller countries.

Sure Ireland, and name a few for me ?

Sure Ireland, and name a few for me ?
Ireland is claimed by me;), but for you Wales, Sctoland, and/or maybe Belgium?

Wales and Scotland Please.Alright then.

Ireland is claimed by me;), but for you Wales, Sctoland, and/or maybe Belgium?

Wales and Scotland Please.

Just a note, I think that at this time there were no "countries". It was a mixture of small nations, such as Wales, England, Muscovy, the Golden Horde, Seljuks, etc.

EDIT: Referring to the intro, by the way.

Well then, Scotland please.Fudgem well, someone already has laid claim to Scotland, because I am tired and failed to notice this post, and since I already commited it to you Tynlandia, may I offer you Normandy or Belgium to you in exchange for you give up Scotland, if not I will work out something seperatly.

Just a note, I think that at this time there were no "countries". It was a mixture of small nations, such as Wales, England, Muscovy, the Golden Horde, Seljuks, etc.

EDIT: Referring to the intro, by the way.I know, as France has mant different languages, Spain is divided between three kingdoms, Germany is made up of countless microstates, Italy has city states, and the rest of Europe is many other things. But, remeber this is, in general a NS simulation world of sorts.

Fudgem well, someone already has laid claim to Scotland, because I am tired and failed to notice this post, and since I already commited it to you Tynlandia, may I offer you Normandy or Belgium to you in exchange for you give up Scotland, if not I will work out something seperatly.

Well, I can take something else... I wouldn't mind just being Denmark or smething like that

Well, I can take something else... I wouldn't mind just being Denmark or smething like thatRemember to check maps for claims.

Can i be runner up for china

I already am...

EDIT: Runner-up, I mean.

Can I be the Mali Empire?

Can i be runner up for chinaThat is, thankfully already taken.

Can I be the Mali Empire?Sure, though no guns, long distance trading ships, or other gun powder related things.

Sure, though no guns, long distance trading ships, or other gun powder related things.

Okay. . . that's all right, I just wanted a little african representation in here

Can i Have parts of Western France southern Belgium and eastern Germany?

Okay. . . that's all right, I just wanted a little african representation in hereIt is cool.

Can i Have parts of Western France southern Belgium and eastern Germany?Please no far flung mainland empires.

Can I claim the black area on the map? Its not that far flung.

Map (http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6421/worldmapra9vh9.png)

Can I claim the black area on the map? Its not that far flung.

Map (http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6421/worldmapra9vh9.png)Can I give you Pommeria too so as to make it contingouous?

I've been invited by Scandinvans to be China... I'll accept it as long as this RP lasts long enough for me to make a worthwhile investment into making an nation dedicated to this. I won't be infusing my main country into this RP, but hopefully, I can make something really close.

But how close are we following the historical lineage?

Can I give you Pommeria too so as to make it contingouous?

Yes, that is a nice addition.

I've been invited by Scandinvans to be China... I'll accept it as long as this RP lasts long enough for me to make a worthwhile investment into making an nation dedicated to this. I won't be infusing my main country into this RP, but hopefully, I can make something really close.

But how close are we following the historical lineage?It is suppoused to represent an embodiment of your own nation's part, just this time around there will be a different flow.:p

Also, because I can trust you on this matter I will allow you to get by with only creating a factbook with ruler, capital, population, and soceity detials as I do not want to put you in a position that will cause you to spend hours typing a history longer then my research papers.

Yes, that is a nice addition.Quick question, are you German or more specifically of actual Prussian descent?

Quick question, are you German or more specifically of actual Prussian descent?

My Grandfather was Prussian, and my Grandmother was Saxon. So both.

My Grandfather was Prussian, and my Grandmother was Saxon. So both.:p Good, good for you. Though, sadly, Prussians are going in number due to people, who were proud of their Prussian heritage, are either dying or severing their roots.

the question still stands - how close are we following the historical record up to this point? Should I prop up stuff about the Ming Dynasty, or should I just create another dynasty?

the question still stands - how close are we following the historical record up to this point? Should I prop up stuff about the Ming Dynasty, or should I just create another dynasty?I will leave it you guys to decide what you will find the best thing to do as I want to allow everyone to be indepndent, though save do not use the exact names of the country your own country resides in.

okay... I guess I'll start carving out the Great Ming Empire... again...

Le France for me Scand :)

and Belgium if allowed

okay... I guess I'll start carving out the Great Ming Empire... again...You go it.

Le France for me Scand :)

and Belgium if allowedDo you also want Luxemborg?

Since school is acting up latley I may not be able to be as active as I wanted.

I'll keep you guys up on if I'll be active.

Most likley will be active, just gotta finish this projecy :(

Since school is acting up latley I may not be able to be as active as I wanted.

I'll keep you guys up on if I'll be active.

Most likley will be active, just gotta finish this projecy :(It is cool.

Do you also want Luxemborg?

Shure

ShureYou got it, by the way what kind of nation are you going to be?

Ok, do we need factbooks?

Ok, do we need factbooks?Yes, everyone does.

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how will we be conducting this, on site or off site on another forum like invision. and Scan, can you link your factbook here, I plan to base mine off yours.

how will we be conducting this, on site or off site on another forum like invision. and Scan, can you link your factbook here, I plan to base mine off yours.On site, due to the fact that I am a lttile to busy to set up a new site. Though, as for my factbook I am working on it.

I'll do the same, I'll model mine after yours.


Ummm, what will I be calling my country?

Well then I would like to lay claim to Syria please then and if it's not to big a fuss the rest of the palestinian area please. No hard feelings if I can't though.

Erm, could the map be updated a bit? I would like for the Grand Duchy of Muscovy to be the colour red and actually be on the map, please.

Is it too late to join? Because I would like to claim the Baltic countries (Lithuania, Lativa and Estonia) and southern Finland.

Hey Scand, I don't wanna intrude on your new RP, but are you still with us over at E1492?

rawr..pwease be with us still? :-P

I'll do the same, I'll model mine after yours.


Ummm, what will I be calling my country?Here you guys go: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13208394#post13208394

I'm Kinda interested, but how are we supposed to calculate the population?

I'm Kinda interested, but how are we supposed to calculate the population?Well, I came up with an interesting formula in that for each century you go back you divide the current population till you get about 65% of the population and you keep doing the same every century you go back, special cases though are China and France.

So am I in I have a factbook started from another RP. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12886572#post12886572

So am I in I have a factbook started from another RP. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12886572#post12886572A lot of problems with the military section. So you will have to do your own research, because I do take college classes for history but I am mostly centered on Western history so I cannot really help. As well, please just repost a new one as there a lot of problems with using tech from the 17th and 18th century.

I would appreciate it if you would update the map, please.

So then what was the tech level at that time? I read some where that this was right about when muskets started to come into wide spread use, at least in the Ottoman Empire.

Hey if it's not to late can I carve out a piece of Russia. Or if not, can I have Hungry?

Russia is divided into a billion pieces; I wanted the Grand Duchy of Muscovy; decide whether you want Bohemia, the Golden Horde, the Teutonic Order, etc.

Here you guys go: http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapra9vh9mn0.png

Is it possible for me to have both Hungary and Bohemia? If not i'll take Hungary.

Note: I should have a fact book by Friday afternoon.

Is it possible for me to have both Hungary and Bohemia? If not i'll take Hungary.

Note: I should have a fact book by Friday afternoon.You got it.

Thanks for letting me in, I'll have a fact book for you soon, although I've never written one before.

Thanks for letting me in, I'll have a fact book for you soon, although I've never written one before.To put it simply it is simply writing down random facts.;)

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Here a rough draft of my factbook. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13218506#post13218506

Should I break up my garrisions into which cities and castles they're in? Or is it ok just to state the Region?

My Basic Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13219673#post13219673)
Still a WIP,

BTW Nosovia there is now way Hungary has 6.5 million people in 1450, maybe 600k or 700k. Barvaria would be around 100-200k. Just saying, your army should be fine, its not like they wont leave the castles to fight...

I don't have any reliable information in regards to the Hungarian population of the time so i was using scand's rule 65% of the current population.

Well, I would say more like 30% but whatever Scand wants. Just for refrence that would give me roughly 5.1 million people... not to mention thats just one fifth of 65% of polands population...

Well, I would say more like 30% but whatever Scand wants. Just for refrence that would give me roughly 5.1 million people... not to mention thats just one fifth of 65% of polands population...Formula, 100 million in 2000, 65 million in 1900, 42.5 million in 1800, 27.46 million in 1700, 17.85 million in 1600, 11.6 million in 1500, and finally 9.57 million in 1450.

Formula, 100 million in 2000, 65 million in 1900, 42.5 million in 1800, 27.46 million in 1700, 17.85 million in 1600, 11.6 million in 1500, and finally 9.57 million in 1450.

thanks that makes alot more sense then.
Ill change it.

thanks that makes alot more sense then.
Ill change it.That formula is just for people in doubt as there are always exception, such as France which currently has a population of twenty million or for the Norse who you can just go down to about a fifth. The one fifth rule I will also accept.

Is there a set date for the r to start?

I pronounce this RP as dying.

Is there a set date for the r to start?As soon as someone wants to start up a thread.

Will somone please start something before this RP dies?!

if i have a internet connection tomorrow night i can start one.

If there is any interest for this, I am going to be posting my factbook tomorrow. But let me know before tomorrow - otherwise, I'm not going to bother.

It is getting hard to tell weather this RP is alive or dead, if anyone could clear that up that would be nice.

Alright, I apologize for not making this a more vivid thread, but I do not like having five bumps or more in a row. As well, I am going to launch a new thread set in the future so we can all have colonies and global contact, although this time it is going offsite.