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General Hagan stood on his pedestal and began to speak."Today, people, a submarine of the nation of Aleos invaded territorial waters of Mhoudia. Today, I have authorised the use of war against the force that Aleos excplicitly stated arranged the move, UFAN. It is such a force that is creating communist havoc up in Paramus. It is such a force that began what is now called the Zanski crisis.

At present, we are still deciding whether or not to attack, but we will let UFAN know that negotiation is a completely valid and open option, and is always better than war, as we have claimed victory after victory against that force.

Now let me adress the UFAN nations personally; If you do not tell your silly little puppet to get out of our allie's water, we will have to use force. And let me remind you that this is a violation against the post-HLF agreement."
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Xanka, capital of Zanski, Tumada Road.

A woman was sitting in her chair, with her friend, watching the speech.
"He's a madman," she said, dissapointedly, "and a bloody awful speech writer, too."
Suddenly a secret police officer burst in through the window and arrested her.
"its the gallows for you, you rebel!" he said, smiling.

[OOC: This almost makes me want to abandon the exercise and get some real fun... But no, I won't move yet, the new UFAN is a force that thinks first and doesn't fight without reason.]

Aerospace Logistics Corporation

We encourage our allies to honor the treaties, but will issue no judgmental statement yet.

If it comes to a decision, our alliances stand in higher priority for us than others' treaties, however. We will interfere if an attack occurs at non-military or homeland assets of any of our allies. We will not treat engagements within your territory as a basis for interference, however.

We do not consider territorial waters penetration by a submarine a sufficient justification for war. Actions against UFAN will be treated as declared but not justified aggression.


Official message from Relations Department.

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Threatening war because of a small ship traversing an international boundary will only lead to contempt for your nation. Rest assured, whilst we fully support the use of diplomacy in this event, we will be primed and ready to make sure you will not cause excessive damage in your warmongering antics.

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Official Diplomatic Communique

We stand by our UFAN allies. A single submarine does not create a usable causus belli for war with an entire alliance. You can of course press further, but it will only lead to your embarrassment. Aggression against UFAN will not be tolerated.

~Office of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Do not mix OOC with IC, that's metagaming. I thought that my OOC and SIC tags were clear enough.

This is why. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13191299&posted=1#post13191299)

Official Declaration from the Imerial Koalition of Kroando

For many years UFAN has violated the sovereignty of it's own member states. For many years the hypocritical dogs have one second advocated national rights, and the next torn them down. For many years UFAN has attempted to set it's agenda upon the world, and destroy legitimate nations under the guise of 'democracy'.

However it is a bold move indeed when these menaces attempt to use their lesser members to violate the sovereignty of other, non-members. Indeed this is likely an attempt to ignite war, under the pretense of 'self-defence', and cause even more undue pain and bloodshed to the free nations of the world.

We stand by the nation of Zanski in their quest to keep UFAN where it belongs. Far away from those who shun it. And should UFAN seek to send their submarines into waters which they do not hold rights to, and should their puppets condemn them for war mongering, we shall stand by them.

[Lord Protector Bladen Malthus]

OOC:

Apologies for the OOC Comment within the IC Thread but I am somewhat confused as to how you are justifying your actions. Considering Aleos has clearly marked his actions as Secret In Character and your forces have failed to provide proof or even some sort of RP as to how you know about his Submarine. You even say your OOC'ly confused within the IC Thread as shown here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13187891&postcount=4)

So with this in mind what is your justification for War with UFAN?

OOC: well I wonder how Black Cerebrum could cause this situation to spiral into a more war wanted direction...?

IC:

Arab-Canada Condems the use of force against a way ward submarine.

OOC: Kroando, Arab-Canada, please read the posts in the thread I linked. My post was Secret in Character and I made use of the OOC tag, so I don't really see any reason for all this.

[Ah... well, I'll let you two work it out, and should the conflict continue, will rejoin. If the thread is scrapped, so therefor, is my post.]

SIC:

PNF Zhaan. Avenger Class Attack Submarine.

Location: Outside Zaynah territorial waters.

Current status: Unknown.

Assumed operational capacity: 100%

Incoming orders…

Encrypted.

3rd Aleosite Fleet. High Command

End Encryption.

Short and to the point, like all Peacekeeper orders were. As the message was collected by the submarine from the ether, it slowly returned to its slumber in the abyss. A monster of steel and power, just waiting silently, as a prowler waits for its prey. With the confirmation that all was moving according to plan, all it had to do now was to wait.

Inside the carcass of the beast there was no sound, not even a whisper as the crew performed its tasks with a mechanical precision adding to the already tense atmosphere. They weren’t novices at the task and as such, they had a full understanding of the importance of each and everyone’s task. If even a wheel in the machine malfunctioned then all that machine was useless.

The captain of this vessel was a simple man, like many others around him. Knowledgeable and bearing years of experience, he was one of the most appreciated captains in the fleet. He had no great ambitions or hidden goals, just the fulfilment of his purpose in life as he considered it, to serve and survive and so far he was still alive.

Like all others in the submarine, he was unaware of the hidden reasons behind his mission if such reasons existed, but nonetheless he strived to fulfil the mission without a flaw, there was no room for error in his mind and in those of his superiors. So far it was a simple surveillance mission, but you never knew what the next order was going to entail for the old wolf and his vessel.

It might surprise some, but the enclosed space of the underwater behemoth felt like home for its crew. Raised from their birth underground, far from the harsh environment that was their homeland, adapting to another closed environment such as this posed no problem for the Aleosites. The welcomed it and, to be assigned as such, cherished it. As a weapon, it was the dream of every soldier earmarked for the navy.

And it was such a weapon that would forge the destiny of a nation…

OOC: This takes place in the timeslot occupied by the same post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532591&page=6). It was prearranged OOCly with UFAN.

General Hagan's secretary has sent this letter of evidence along with the words:
this is the reason why we have threatened war with UFAN. Our new position is that Aleos is just making propoganda against this nation to make us scared to retaliate.

Please validate this if it is true, for everyone's benefit, and just GET THEM OUT OF OUR WATERS BEFORE THEY BECOME A NEW PROVINCE OF ZANSKI."

SIC:

PNF Zhaan. Avenger Class Attack Submarine.

Location: Outside Zaynah territorial waters.

Current status: Unknown.

Assumed operational capacity: 100%

Incoming orders…

Encrypted.

3rd Aleosite Fleet. High Command

End Encryption.

Short and to the point, like all Peacekeeper orders were. As the message was collected by the submarine from the ether, it slowly returned to its slumber in the abyss. A monster of steel and power, just waiting silently, as a prowler waits for its prey. With the confirmation that all was moving according to plan, all it had to do now was to wait.

Inside the carcass of the beast there was no sound, not even a whisper as the crew performed its tasks with a mechanical precision adding to the already tense atmosphere. They weren’t novices at the task and as such, they had a full understanding of the importance of each and everyone’s task. If even a wheel in the machine malfunctioned then all that machine was useless.

The captain of this vessel was a simple man, like many others around him. Knowledgeable and bearing years of experience, he was one of the most appreciated captains in the fleet. He had no great ambitions or hidden goals, just the fulfilment of his purpose in life as he considered it, to serve and survive and so far he was still alive.

Like all others in the submarine, he was unaware of the hidden reasons behind his mission if such reasons existed, but nonetheless he strived to fulfil the mission without a flaw, there was no room for error in his mind and in those of his superiors. So far it was a simple surveillance mission, but you never knew what the next order was going to entail for the old wolf and his vessel.

It might surprise some, but the enclosed space of the underwater behemoth felt like home for its crew. Raised from their birth underground, far from the harsh environment that was their homeland, adapting to another closed environment such as this posed no problem for the Aleosites. The welcomed it and, to be assigned as such, cherished it. As a weapon, it was the dream of every soldier earmarked for the navy.

And it was such a weapon that would forge the destiny of a nation…

OOC: This takes place in the timeslot occupied by the same post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532591&page=6). It was prearranged OOCly with UFAN.

General Hagan's secretary has sent this letter of evidence along with the words:
this is the reason why we have threatened war with UFAN. Our new position is that Aleos is just making propoganda against this nation to make us scared to retaliate.

Please validate this if it is true, for everyone's benefit, and just GET THEM OUT OF OUR WATERS BEFORE THEY BECOME A NEW PROVINCE OF ZANSKI."

SIC:

PNF Zhaan. Avenger Class Attack Submarine.

Location: Outside Zaynah territorial waters.

Current status: Unknown.

Assumed operational capacity: 100%

Incoming orders…

Encrypted.

3rd Aleosite Fleet. High Command

End Encryption.

Short and to the point, like all Peacekeeper orders were. As the message was collected by the submarine from the ether, it slowly returned to its slumber in the abyss. A monster of steel and power, just waiting silently, as a prowler waits for its prey. With the confirmation that all was moving according to plan, all it had to do now was to wait.

Inside the carcass of the beast there was no sound, not even a whisper as the crew performed its tasks with a mechanical precision adding to the already tense atmosphere. They weren’t novices at the task and as such, they had a full understanding of the importance of each and everyone’s task. If even a wheel in the machine malfunctioned then all that machine was useless.

The captain of this vessel was a simple man, like many others around him. Knowledgeable and bearing years of experience, he was one of the most appreciated captains in the fleet. He had no great ambitions or hidden goals, just the fulfilment of his purpose in life as he considered it, to serve and survive and so far he was still alive.

Like all others in the submarine, he was unaware of the hidden reasons behind his mission if such reasons existed, but nonetheless he strived to fulfil the mission without a flaw, there was no room for error in his mind and in those of his superiors. So far it was a simple surveillance mission, but you never knew what the next order was going to entail for the old wolf and his vessel.

It might surprise some, but the enclosed space of the underwater behemoth felt like home for its crew. Raised from their birth underground, far from the harsh environment that was their homeland, adapting to another closed environment such as this posed no problem for the Aleosites. The welcomed it and, to be assigned as such, cherished it. As a weapon, it was the dream of every soldier earmarked for the navy.

And it was such a weapon that would forge the destiny of a nation…

OOC: This takes place in the timeslot occupied by the same post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532591&page=6). It was prearranged OOCly with UFAN.

General Hagan's secretary has sent this letter of evidence along with the words:
this is the reason why we have threatened war with UFAN. Our new position is that Aleos is just making propoganda against this nation to make us scared to retaliate.

Please validate this if it is true, for everyone's benefit, and just GET THEM OUT OF OUR WATERS BEFORE THEY BECOME A NEW PROVINCE OF ZANSKI."

It was labeled OOC, thus metagaming and thus ignored.

OOC: Yes it was Prearranged with Aleos in an out of character sense on the via OOC on MSN. With that in mind how can your characters know about it without any RP to explain it? Zanski no offence because it generally could be the case but do you understand the difference between OOC and IC and how one cannot be used to justify of another actions?

Zanski UFAN is built upon honour and is committed to upholding decent RP on the II Forums with that in mind if you make your declaration of war against us then UFAN then it will only be accepted if you make a half decent declaration of war one that is based upon IC Justification and not one that is basically:

"Aleos says OOC'ly that you guys told him to attack me. So I declare war on you hahaha die UFAN ....................... where is my tank and baton?"

Zanski do you have MSN or any form of IM because id like to straighten this out with you here and now? If not please try and get onto mIRC on the channel: #ufan, #dratroom or #nationstates I am usually on all three.

V

General Hagan's secretary typed in the following:

our nation sends apologies, but did you notice that he just BOMBED TERRITORY PROTECTED BY A UFAN NATION (AURUM DOMUS)? You fools, you can't even protect your own countries... Zaynah was ceded to the direct jurisdiction of Aurum Domus, who then made a democratic protectorate. If you do not retaliate, Zanski will cease to recognise Aurum Doman authority over Zaynah and will use any force necesarry to remove what we class as a violation of the post-war treaty which would have and should have paved the way for a chance of peace and economic stability in Mhoudia & Zanski and ended the UFAN Mhoudi-Zansk tensions.

Please note, that, as in all situations involving Zanski and Mhoudia, We will not settle for anything that we do not agree to.

Also, Wagdog had already broken the treaty by not making a UFAN resolution on stationing 10,000 troops into Mrahed. We chose not to say anything, as already 10,000 troops from UFAN nations were already stationed there, so we chose not to say anything, also in the hope that Zanski, Mhoudia and UFAN would never have another standoff.

But here we are again, back to fucking square one because your war-mongering (yes, we have reason to believe UFAN, a supposedly liberal alliance, is even more violent, exploitive and destructive than Zanski and Mhoudia, both run by military dictators who came to power in coups de etats and who both have committed genocide against their own people) alliance has allowed for a bombing on territory, that by a treaty that Wagdog insisted went for the whole of UFAN, should be retaliated.

If this piece of writing has in some way changed your minds about this incident, we will ask Mhoudia to open up a coastal portion of the Mrahed- Ville De Jayir highway and your troops may have a one off chance to go into our territorial waters and fend off this agressor.

We have many reasons to believe that should Zanski or Mhoudia be left to attack this fleet, that this will be a war by proxy against UFAN.

Official Kampferian Statement:

I don't fucking care.

-Fuhrer Richtoff

Official statement from General Hagan:
Who the FUCK asked you anyway?

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Well, as he's a Higher Council member for UFAN, technically, you did. Idiot. How do people like you get in charge of nations anyway?

Barronian International Affairs

OOC: @ Kampfers and Vetaka: do you folks need any help from the Hegemony in dealing with this IC'ly, or is this something you can handle on your own? (this is of course assuming that Zanski proceeds with his decleration of war despite the IC justificatoion, or lack thereof)

Encrypted Message

To General Hagan of The Imperial Socialist Republic of Zanski,

Should war come of this incident, we will back you up fully. If you do not want to have us help fight the UFAN monsters we would be fine with you using our nation to station troops during the war and for a few monthes after, as well as having us hold weapons or armour. WE await you answer.

End of Message.

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Official Letters of Marque and Reprisal

Issued 7 November 69 ACD

These Letters of Marque and Reprisal are hereby granted by the Akimonadi government to the willful bearer. The Letters charge and allow the bearer to sink, damage, capture or otherwise impair any vessel bearing the flag of Zanski or being associated with said nation. The actions and aggression of Zanski shall no longer be tolerated.

Signed,
Executive Privy Council
and
Committee of the Armed Forces

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Official Message to UFAN Allies

Allies and friends,

We call for your assistance in this crisis. Clearly there is only one way it can be solved, and that is militarily. While we do not wish to hasten to war, we believe that destroying Zanskian shipping will send a clear message that their aggression will not be tolerated.

Official Message to UFAN Allies

Allies and friends,

We call for your assistance in this crisis. Clearly there is only one way it can be solved, and that is militarily. While we do not wish to hasten to war, we believe that destroying Zanskian shipping will send a clear message that their aggression will not be tolerated.

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And that you shall have. We have hereby permitted any Barronia ships that may at any point pass in into Zanski waters to, if able, sink, capture, plunder, pirate, or otherwise disrupt Zanski shipping by any means available to them, as per the Marque and Maritime Hosility Act of 1939 (Universal Calendar).

We will be preparing Barronian Naval Service ships for joint operations with Akimonad ships against Zanskian (sp?) maritime operations, if they are prepared to have us.

Official Hegemonic Statement:

In accordance with the charter of the Global Organization of Defense, The Hegemony declares it's support for the United Federation of Allied Nations. The nation of Zanski is advised to retract all statements of aggresion against the UFAN, lest the nations of the Hegemony be forced to join the UFAN in military action against Zanski. The Hegemon also wishes to remind the honorable General Hagan that the use of eloquence and civility are strongly advised when drafting diplomatic messages.

-Lord Sumguy, Hegemon

ooc: this might be a bad time to intervene, but has anyone read this chapter? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12720900&postcount=6)

To Akimonadi Executive Privy Council and Committee of the Armed Forces

We are appalled at your acts of piracy and plundering of Zanski trading ships. Has your nation become so corrupted since joining UFAN that you will stoop so low to even take part in piracy. If any Zanksi trading ships are to plundered, pirated, or captured by any military control, even if there wasn't eveidence of you doing it, we will take it as an act of war and will declare an act of war upon you and your nation, and if we are to win we will start by placing a new government.

End of Message

To Akimonadi Executive Privy Council and Committee of the Armed Forces

We are appalled at your acts of piracy and plundering of Zanski trading ships. Has your nation become so corrupted since joining UFAN that you will stoop so low to even take part in piracy. If any Zanksi trading ships are to plundered, pirated, or captured by any military control, even if there wasn't eveidence of you doing it, we will take it as an act of war and will declare an act of war upon you and your nation, and if we are to win we will start by placing a new government.

End of Message


OOC: Seriously guys, cut it. Obviously Zanski needs lessons in RP, and frankly, I don't see how attacking him will do anything besides prove him right. Besides, if we did go to war with him and Greston, what would we profit? The burden of roleplaying with people who obviously have no clue what they are talking about? So lets not rush to war here, please.

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Declaring war against Akimonad holds the same standing as declaring war against us. If you speak of corruption, you should look elsewhere.

If you make a single aggressive move toward Akimonad, then you will shortly after find yourself the target of the aggression of more than just Akimonad - Barronia, too, will not hesitate to join the fray. From there, a new Grestonian government would be only a few short battles away.

Again, we suggest that you do not make a potentially regime-changing mistake. This has not concerned you thusfar, do not make it your problem.

Barronian International Affairs

To Akimonadi Executive Privy Council and Committee of the Armed Forces

We are appalled at your acts of piracy and plundering of Zanski trading ships. Has your nation become so corrupted since joining UFAN that you will stoop so low to even take part in piracy. If any Zanksi trading ships are to plundered, pirated, or captured by any military control, even if there wasn't eveidence of you doing it, we will take it as an act of war and will declare an act of war upon you and your nation, and if we are to win we will start by placing a new government.

End of Message


We shall say one thing, and one thing only.

Attempting to invade us would be your last mistake.

OOC: Seriously guys, cut it. Obviously Zanski needs lessons in RP, and frankly, I don't see how attacking him will do anything besides prove him right. Besides, if we did go to war with him and Greston, what would we profit? The burden of roleplaying with people who obviously have no clue what they are talking about? So lets not rush to war here, please.

OOC: Aww...puh-leeeze? :P Sure. No worries.

OOC: Seriously guys, cut it. Obviously Zanski needs lessons in RP, and frankly, I don't see how attacking him will do anything besides prove him right. Besides, if we did go to war with him and Greston, what would we profit? The burden of roleplaying with people who obviously have no clue what they are talking about? So lets not rush to war here, please.

OOC: Who cares! He threatened a war so I'm just replying to it, I am not rushing to a war I speaking about the affects of what would happen to Akimonad if he rushess to war with Zanski

OOC: Who cares! He threatened a war so I'm just replying to it, I am not rushing to a war I speaking about the affects of what would happen to Akimonad if he rushess to war with Zanski

OOC: You really do not know your place, you know that?

OOC: You really do not know your place, you know that?

OOC: Agreed. Declaring war with Akimonad means declaring war with UFAN, if I recall. Which is not good.

OOC: Agreed. Declaring war with Akimonad means declaring war with UFAN, if I recall. Which is not good.

OOC: and declaring war on the UFAN means declaring war on the Hegemony, CN, and FWA, even less good.

OOC:

Enough! This is getting to the point of being the worst RP I have ever had the displeasure of reading. This situation is fast becoming the most pathetic, pointless and damn right annoying that I have ever been involved within. Zanski this is just well............. fucking stupid.

Zanski you dont seem to understand the difference between OOC and IC and how something that is said in OOC cannot be used to directly justify your IC Characters actions. In this case what you know OOC cannot be used to justify General Hagan's actions within the Roleplay itself unless such information is RP'ed as being discovered by the General himself or your nations intelligence service. Your consistant use of OOC Fact to support IC Fact is one huge metagame and one that is losing you less respect throughout the NS Community.

To Conclude until you stop metagaming your roleplay and using such OOC facts to justify IC Actions without proper In Character Investigation this whole "Zanski Threatens War with UFAN" Thread is ignored by myself and all the UFAN Members that I have been able to speak to within RL. Yes it was arranged via RL means and that is Private and its called Politics. Yes that arrangement means that UFAN forces have been attacked but yet again thats politics. At this time UFAN is just as in the dark as you are about this.

UFAN and its members are Honourable and Fair in OOC and we expect such people we RP with to treat us with the same respect, honour and fairness. Yes UFAN and its members may engage in some what dirty politics in IC but thats all part of the fun of nationstates and text base Roleplay.

From now on this thread is ignored and we will only be RP'ing and responding to the intial set of Zanski threads.

I suggest you read the stickes and the Art of NS Warfare and also generally read upon International Politics.

Yours with the greatest of Respects if you have MSN I really do implore you to add me: rising_phoenix01@hotmail.com.

Vetaka (Dan)

OOC: Agreed. Declaring war with Akimonad means declaring war with UFAN, if I recall. Which is not good.

Yeah. I've been meaning to defend myself, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't open up a can of worms.