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The United Socialist States of Yanitaria

Field Marshal and President Baudoin, Commander of Yanitarian Armed Forces

Total: 4,000,000 men and women (All troop numbers include reserve and active)

Army:
Count:1,440,000 Citizens
Armament:
AY-142 (Combat Flashlight, Laser Sight)
AY-112
LSW-150
MGY-12
HMGY-147
P-90 (Spec Ops (silenced) and Vehicle Crews)
PSG-1
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)
Mk 153
FGM-148 Javelin
FIM-43C Redeye
Five-seveN
Vehicles:
ST-37K1 (http://z6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=2156) (redesignated) "Titan" new
AMX-10P APC (Not for active military use)
RG-31
Ratel IFV
Kubelwagon (non-combat only, mostly for desert and snow transport, due to it's flat bottom)
MIM-104
PzH2000
G6 Howitzer
M-270 Missile Artillery
Pachis IFV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12608164&postcount=6)
Squad Level Transport,Model 31, Armoured, "Chevalier" (SLT-31A Chevalier)
Infantry Fighting Vehicle, Model 91, "Renard" (IFV-91 "Renard")
Leopard II
UH-60
AH-64
CH-47
MS-12 'Vespa'
IMC-01 'Bladerunner'
M997-08 Mammoth Monocoque Armored Troop Transport
Arctic Squad Level Transport, Model 31, "Rev" (ASLT-31 Rev) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13268810&postcount=5)
Arctic Squad Level Transport, Model 31, Armoured, "Titan Rev" (ASLT-31 A) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13268818&postcount=6)


Enlisted Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/ArmyEnlisted.png

Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/ArmOff.png

Marine Corps:
Count: 920,000
Armament:
Same as Army+
VSSK Vychlop silenced sniper rifle(Spec Ops Only)
PGM Ultima Ratio 'Commando II'
Vehicles:
Same as Army+
Su-34

Enlisted Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/Marine.png
Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/MarineOff.png

Air Corps:
Count:
560,000
Armament: (base guard)
P-90 Silenced (Spec Ops Only)
FN F2000 w/Tac Light, Laser Sight (and optional Silencer for Spec Ops Only)
AY-142
LSW-150
MGY-12
HMGY-147
Five-seveN
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)
FIM-43C Redeye
Ground Vehicles:
M35A1
Squad Level Transport, Model 31, "Eques" (SLT-31 Eques)
Squad Level Transport,Model 31, Armoured, "Chevalier" (SLT-31A Chevalier)
MIM-104
Arctic Squad Level Transport, Model 31, "Rev" (ASLT-31 Rev) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13268810&postcount=5)
Arctic Squad Level Transport,Model 31, Armoured, "Titan Rev" (ASLT-31 A) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13268818&postcount=6)
Kubelwagon (non-combat)
Air Vehicles:
Su-37
Su-47
Su-34
EA-18 Growler
B-52
Tu-160
AH-64
CH-47
C-130
C-141
C-17
KC-10
A400M

Enlisted Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/AirCorps.png
Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/AirOff.png

Navy:
Count:
920,000
Armament:
Five-seveN
P-90
AY-142
LSW-150
MGY-12
HMGY-147
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)
FIM-43C Redeye
Ships:
See Fleet

Enlisted Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NavyEnlisted.png
Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NavOff.png

Coast Guard
Count:
120,000
Armament:
Five-seveN
AY-142
MG4
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)
AY-112
LSW-150
MGY-12
HMGY-147
Ships:
Pegasus Class Hydrofoil
Braunshweig Class Corvette (x15)
Type 07 Aviso (x10)

Enlisted Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/CoastGuard.png
Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/CoastOff.png

Fleet:

Unassigned

Super Dreadnought: Nietzsche Class
YMS Nietzsche
YMS Sagan
YMS Adams

Surface Group 1

Dreadnought: Mishkin Class Omnirole Superdreadnought
YMS Argo
Carrier: Glacier Class
YMS Aurora
Cruisers: Carthage Class
YMS Hannibal
YMS Hanno
Triara Class
YMS Neptune
YMS Poseidon
YMS Njord
YMS Ahti
Frigates: Champlain Class
YMS Liberté
Lionfish Class
YMS Égalité
YMS Fraternité
Grevant Class
YMS Voltaire
YMS Rousseau
YMS Paine
YMS Hume
Destroyers: Swiftsure Class
YMS Rights-of-Man
YMS Age-of-Reason
Fredora Class
YMS Onward
YMS Dauntless
Amphibious Assault Ships: Emden Class
YMS Oedipus
YMS Antigone
Corvettes: Visby Class
YMS Macbeth
YMS Duncan
YMS Banquo
YMS Macduff
Mine Sweeper: Perigon Class
YMS Erebus

Carrier Task Force 1

Dreadnought: Mishkin Class Omnirole Superdreadnought
YMS (Yanitarian Military Ship) Point Harbour (Flagship)
Carrier: Ford Class
YMS Yanitaria
Battlecruiser: Motherland Class
YMS Centreville
Destroyers: Arleigh Burke Class
YMS Edgeborough
YMS Remi
Cruisers: Halifax Class
YMS Nouvelle Paris
YMS New Oslo
Frigates: Kirov Class
YMS New London
YMS New Leeds
Corvettes:
YMS Eastford
YMS Marx

Carrier Task Force 2

Dreadnought: Arbalest Class
YMS November Revolution
Carrier: Ford Class
YMS Hellfire
Battlecruiser: Motherland Class
YMS Forbidden
Destroyers: Arleigh Burke Class
YMS Artisan
YMS Ranger
Cruisers: Halifax Class
YMS Night
YMS Solaris
Frigates: Kirov Class
YMS Incredible
YMS Astounding
Corvettes:
YMS Blockade Runner
YMS Frontalot

Carrier Task Force 3

Dreadnought: Arbalest Class
YMS Rapier
Carrier: Ford Class
YMS Saracen
Battlecruiser: Motherland Class
YMS Vortex
Destroyers: Arleigh Burke Class
YMS Norway
YMS Algerie
Cruisers: Halifax Class
YMS Interpol
YMS Modest Mouse
Frigates: Kirov Class
YMS Ambush
YMS Mundane Intervention
Corvettes:
YMS Interdiction
YMS Intrepid

Special Groups:

Yanitarian Foreign Legion:
Count: 54,035 persons (foreign and citizens)
Armament:
HK G-36
AY-142
HK UMP
TMP
P-90
LSWY-150 "Lucy"
MGY-12 "Maggy"
HMGY-147 "Hag"
AF-07 (Service Rifle, bought from Alfegos)
AY-112
GP-30
L115A1
AS50
FGM-148 Javelin
FIM-43C Redeye
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)
G3 (Training Only)
M1 Garand (Training Only)
Thompson M1A1 (Training Only)
Vehicles:
AMX-10P
RG-31
Ratel IFV
Kubelwagon (non-combat only, mostly for desert and snow transport, due to it's flat bottom)
G6 Howitzer
CV-90
BMP-3
M35A1
MS-12 'Vespa'

Police:
Count: 5,000,000 men and women. (2,000,000 Uniformed Officers, with the rest being government security, secretarial staff, secret police, Judges, state lawyers, and intelligence officers)
Weapons:
Colt Gov't Model 1911's
Glock 17
SIG P229
Five-seveN
USP
TMP
P-90 (Equipped With HOLOSight)
KRISS Super V
PP-19
GP-30
Steyr AUG
G-36C (Equipped With Acog Scopes)
HK416 (Equipped With Acog Scopes And Forward Grip)
AY-142
FN F2000 (Equipped With HOLOSights)
PSG1A1
MSG90A1
ShY-08 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13281744&postcount=25)
ShY-08A1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13281752&postcount=26)
ShY-10 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325771&postcount=44)

Vehicles:
Dodge Charger
Porsche 911
Bell 427
BMW R1200RT-P motorcycles
M237-07 Law Enforcement Passenger Truck

Police Officer Uniform:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/PolUni.png

The military of Yanitaria is formidable, and seeing as you are powerful and capable, we would like to propose a deal where as we become allies. I ask for the following should you agree:

1) You assist us in all wars.

2) You may not attack us.

3) No military forces in our nation, unless permission is given.

If you meet these terms, we'd be glad to meet yours.

Thank you,
President Atar Algahar

L.L.D.C can supply any kind of equipment you may need for you Law Enforcement personnel,from extendable ASP batons,flashlights,bullet proof vests,hand cuffs,badges,firearms,vehicles,etc

From the standard police to the anti riot and SWAT team we have what you need.

Please contact us for more informations.

Thank You

The L.L.D.C Management.

The military of Yanitaria is formidable, and seeing as you are powerful and capable, we would like to propose a deal where as we become allies. I ask for the following should you agree:

1) You assist us in all wars.

2) You may not attack us.

3) No military forces in our nation, unless permission is given.

If you meet these terms, we'd be glad to meet yours.

Thank you,
President Atar Algahar

Please forward this to the embassy thread, were we can discuss it further. I have a few questions to ask, and a stipulation.

L.L.D.C can supply any kind of equipment you may need for you Law Enforcement personnel,from extendable ASP batons,flashlights,bullet proof vests,hand cuffs,badges,firearms,vehicles,etc

From the standard police to the anti riot and SWAT team we have what you need.

Please contact us for more informations.

Thank You

The L.L.D.C Management.

Indeed, I am writing up a list for what we need for our Police force. Currently we must update our police armoury, as all the gear is from Pre-Revolution Yanitaria

[ Why have all those different designations? As an example, why have the Leo II and the Leclerc? Or the Berkut and the Raptor? Do you have some units (as in organizational units, like...the Screaming Eagles, to give an American example) in the works? I'm also mildly curious about Yani's policy on conscription and tours of duty, and on women in the military. Cheers! ]

[ Why have all those different designations? As an example, why have the Leo II and the Leclerc? Or the Berkut and the Raptor? Do you have some units (as in organizational units, like...the Screaming Eagles, to give an American example) in the works? I'm also mildly curious about Yani's policy on conscription and tours of duty, and on women in the military. Cheers! ]

Indeed, I'd be happy to answer your questions.

You see, the different designations, we like to diversify our equipment. When one plane doesn't work too well, or one tank preforms poorly in a given environment, then we are not stuck with a bunch of useless vehicles. In the case of the Leclerc, it was cheaper, and performs well as a back up to the Leopard II A6.

Also, we hope that it improves operator satisfaction and comfort if they can operate the vehicle that feels best to them.

In addition, for false flag operations, we do not have to buy one or two planes to imitate the enemy, because we have the two most common ones.

As for the special units, I have thought about a Blue Angels type outfit for the navy and marines, with a competing group, but I am currently designing the uniforms. (Wont be done for a while, I gave the info sheet to my friend to copy, but she broke down, and I won't likely see her until after thanks giving break).

And finally, as to conscription and such, here is the info:

People ages 18 or up are conscripted for service if needed, unless they attend college (which is free. Many people dodge the draft this way). Service for conscripts lasts 2 years, volunteers 4 years, with a maximum age of 40 for enlisted, 50 for lower officers (although they are given jobs in the support echelons, and generally kept away from combat), and 60 for anyone above the rank of Major (always kept out of combat).

Tours of duty last 6 months or less, followed by 3 months in the rear echelons (1 month of that is R&R in a major city).

And yes, women are allowed to serve their country, although they are generally kept high risk areas, so that they will not be captured. This is, of course, to prevent enemy soldiers from raping them. We take this very seriously, and any enemy prisoner found to have committed rape upon anyone, past or present, soldier or civilian, will be summarily executed.

We will not tolerate any mistreatment of our sons and daughters who march off to war for their nation.

EDIT Sorry if this is a bit long. I revised several parts to elaborate, or make some things clearer, especially with the first paragraph.

Updated, now has pictures. Enjoy them, they took two days of slavery.

OOC did you do the pictures in MS paint?

Ok, for starters, using that varied equipment will leave your military quite fuxxored when it comes to maintenance. With the aircraft, you're mixing US, EU and Soviet aircraft. With the US and EU, it's not so bad, as they're more similar in design styles compared to what teh Commies used. Anyways, with that mixing of designs, it'll seriously strain your logistics with needing multiple individual specialized parts for aircraft, whereas at least with one Bloc, you've got some commonality across the aircraft. Now apply that to your whole armed forces: you're gonna need much more in the way of logistics than any other military. If anything, I suggest sticking with the US, and going heavily with the Raptor/JSF for main combat fighters, or going to some Aircraft store for an easier time. For ground and naval, I'm not as well versed, but again, I suggest sticking with one bloc for compatability and simplification of logistics.

OOC did you do the pictures in MS paint?

Yes. I also used pain to quickly change the color schemes, but I didn't use anything advanced. Anything I did with photoshop could have been done in paint, only slower.

Ok, for starters, using that varied equipment will leave your military quite fuxxored when it comes to maintenance. With the aircraft, you're mixing US, EU and Soviet aircraft. With the US and EU, it's not so bad, as they're more similar in design styles compared to what teh Commies used. Anyways, with that mixing of designs, it'll seriously strain your logistics with needing multiple individual specialized parts for aircraft, whereas at least with one Bloc, you've got some commonality across the aircraft. Now apply that to your whole armed forces: you're gonna need much more in the way of logistics than any other military. If anything, I suggest sticking with the US, and going heavily with the Raptor/JSF for main combat fighters, or going to some Aircraft store for an easier time. For ground and naval, I'm not as well versed, but again, I suggest sticking with one bloc for compatability and simplification of logistics.

My logistics structure is the biggest part of my military. For every soldier, 5-7 people support them behind the lines. Not only that, but since my army is so well funded, I can afford to equip the support battalions with the newest computers and programs, so that they can quickly organize things on the army level. Then I can use the extra hands to fly planes, or operate ships, or drive trucks, supplying my army with what they need, the day they need it.

For this reason, Cross Trucking Company is writing up a truck that will be able to transport most of what I need safely in situations that might be hostile.

Two Words: Awesome Images! ^_^

My logistics structure is the biggest part of my military. For every soldier, 5-7 people support them behind the lines. Not only that, but since my army is so well funded, I can afford to equip the support battalions with the newest computers and programs, so that they can quickly organize things on the army level. Then I can use the extra hands to fly planes, or operate ships, or drive trucks, supplying my army with what they need, the day they need it.

[ Try 40 to 60—perhaps even 80—support personnel for every soldier. But complicate that, now that you need specialized departments for each type of equipment. Your military fast becomes, as Putin said, an "unwieldy and extravagant military machine", in a much more true sense than in Russia.

Organization isn't the point—it's the skill and the training and needing to know a shitload more than you really need. People go through months of information overload to know how to just fix a tank (and even then don't know the various field tricks)—and you want to make their job harder? And then make everyone's job harder, because the same complexity permeates everything, excepting, perhaps, your Navy. Armies love redundancy (hello Mr Hog), but they abhor complex systems, which your system is a very bloated version of.

I really don't know why you think you have extra hands, ever.

With that said, why do you want to not make a commitment to a particular system? It introduces complexity, as I've already gone over, but it also doesn't make sense in a planning sense. Why would you use a type of tank if you did not have faith in its ability to successfully engage and defeat another tank? The same goes for everything else.

Special units I wasn't really speaking about. I was talking in a more general sense—like a full ORBAT for your armed forces. I've got one, if you can dig it up in the search.

I think you left out a critical link in "kept high risk areas". Is the missing phrase "kept out of" or "in"? ]

Ok, for starters, using that varied equipment will leave your military quite fuxxored when it comes to maintenance. With the aircraft, you're mixing US, EU and Soviet aircraft. With the US and EU, it's not so bad, as they're more similar in design styles compared to what teh Commies used. Anyways, with that mixing of designs, it'll seriously strain your logistics with needing multiple individual specialized parts for aircraft, whereas at least with one Bloc, you've got some commonality across the aircraft. Now apply that to your whole armed forces: you're gonna need much more in the way of logistics than any other military. If anything, I suggest sticking with the US, and going heavily with the Raptor/JSF for main combat fighters, or going to some Aircraft store for an easier time. For ground and naval, I'm not as well versed, but again, I suggest sticking with one bloc for compatability and simplification of logistics.

OOC: Too many NS air forces suffer from ACS (Ace Combat Syndrome) where they field multiple aircraft types from a variety of sources. That's hell on logistics, which is already the biggest problem a air force faces anyway. You now need seperates pools of pilots and ground crews for different nationalities, different parts pipelines, and different weapons. Russkie planes can't fire AMRAAMs of Sidewinders and F-35s can't fire the AA series of AAMs.

The army suffers from a similar issue. The BMP-3 fires a 100 mm round used by nobody else in the world and Soviet ATGMs are incompatiable with TOWs. Using the LeClerc and the LEo II isn't that big a deal, but it does complicate things unnecessarily.

The navy is a little better, though the weapons load outs of the ships will be incompatiable for reasons already stated.

[OOC: Yanitaria, where did you get those uniforms? They are mighty fine...]

[OOC: Yanitaria, where did you get those uniforms? They are mighty fine...]

OOC: Gah, beat me to it.
Did you design them yourself?

Just checking in quickly.

To the logistics people:
What if I modify my armour? Will that solve the problem? Also, I rather like the soviet planes more than the american ones, but the I like the mix of bombers and transports.

To the Uniform Admirers:
I modified existing templates, but I drew the triangular garrison cap and epaulets myself. The color schemes are all mine.

Thank you for the kind words. I especially like the marines, police, coast guard, and navy (hell, I love all of them, but in that order).

If you like, you can use my uniforms as a model for yours. Just change the color scheme a bit, if you can.

[OOC: Very nice job, Yani. I'll upload uniforms of my own to NSWiki if it ever resurfaces...]]

To the logistics people:
What if I modify my armour? Will that solve the problem? Also, I rather like the soviet planes more than the american ones, but the I like the mix of bombers and transports.

Ideally you only want one class of tank and one type of IFV.The Leo II is proably better than the LeClerc, but any decent NS tank would rape any RL tank severely. God help you if you face Nakils, Mackalls, or Warhounds with a Leopard, you're armored force would cease to exist overnight, I personally recommend upgrading before you do any serious war RPing.

As far as your air force goes, yours isn't that bad, I've seen people with 5 or 6 fighter classes in service before and that's just absurd. One thing you could do to make your RPs more interesting and realistic is to keep the mixed force but RP parts and ammo shortages due to logistics complications, maybe a Su-37 squadron recieves AMRAMMS or something like that.

If you're interesting in putting together a war RP sometime to test out your military let me know.

Just checking in quickly.

To the logistics people:
What if I modify my armour? Will that solve the problem? Also, I rather like the soviet planes more than the american ones, but the I like the mix of bombers and transports.

To the Uniform Admirers:
I modified existing templates, but I drew the triangular garrison cap and epaulets myself. The color schemes are all mine.

Thank you for the kind words. I especially like the marines, police, coast guard, and navy (hell, I love all of them, but in that order).

If you like, you can use my uniforms as a model for yours. Just change the color scheme a bit, if you can.

Out of curiousity, where did you get these templates?

On the armor issue, if you are willing to spend a bit of money, I would recommend the Nakil, which a friend once recommended to me ("the best tank in NS"), and I have invested a good amount in. Found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787).

[ The Nakíl has some over-represented armour ratings, as Mac's said before. If you're willing to accept that, then fine, but be aware of it. ]

Ideally you only want one class of tank and one type of IFV.The Leo II is proably better than the LeClerc, but any decent NS tank would rape any RL tank severely. God help you if you face Nakils, Mackalls, or Warhounds with a Leopard, you're armored force would cease to exist overnight, I personally recommend upgrading before you do any serious war RPing.

As far as your air force goes, yours isn't that bad, I've seen people with 5 or 6 fighter classes in service before and that's just absurd. One thing you could do to make your RPs more interesting and realistic is to keep the mixed force but RP parts and ammo shortages due to logistics complications, maybe a Su-37 squadron recieves AMRAMMS or something like that.

If you're interesting in putting together a war RP sometime to test out your military let me know.

Currently I am NSing my army, starting with the tank. The ST-31K1 is amazing, and just on this side of the MT+1 PMT line. I am definitely doing a major upgrade, and would be happy to have a war RP with you to test it out. It would be my first serious RP.

All my equipment will pretty much come from Soviet Bloc (the NS nation) and Dat' Pizdy Arms, which so far makes awesome, (if long winded) write ups for amazing vehicles. I am also creating a few vehicles on my own, and am considering a Future Soldier kit that I can equip all my marines with.

Once all this is done, I'll be glad to face off with your nation, but be warned, I have only ever been in semi-serious RP's, and am currently entering my first serious one.

Also, thanks for the advice. I will be sure to include the logistics problems as a draw back to my forces, now and in the future.

Out of curiousity, where did you get these templates?

On the armor issue, if you are willing to spend a bit of money, I would recommend the Nakil, which a friend once recommended to me ("the best tank in NS"), and I have invested a good amount in. Found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787).

The templates (I call them that) are really other peoples uniforms. They can be found here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?showforum=39).

If you want, I can upload a semi-prepared enlisted uniform, including the beret, and two disembodied heads with the garrison and combination cap, all in one image.

As for armour, I checked out the Nakil, and it is impressive, but the MT+1 ST-37K1 is great too. Of the two, the Nakil is cheaper, and far far lighter on the armament, but I imagine that the ST-37K1 is a logistics nightmare by itself, with so many electronic parts, and with it's many different guns.

[ The Nakíl has some over-represented armour ratings, as Mac's said before. If you're willing to accept that, then fine, but be aware of it. ]

Heh, not that the RHA scale is very useful for armor ratings, anyway.

Heh, not that the RHA scale is very useful for armor ratings, anyway.

[ Gives an idea, at any rate. Though yes, it shouldn't be used as a straight-up comparison, especially for KEPs. ]

Ideally you only want one class of tank and one type of IFV.

OOC: Not exactly. Ideally you want what works, which may mean several types of tanks for different situations (Airborn, recce, main, heavy if needed), and will usually mean several types of IFVs (Both wheeled and tracked, and varrying weights).

Remember, commonality in chassis means nothing to your logistical situation. It means you have less things to build as you can use the same chassis, but it also means that chassis will not be best for everything you use it for.

What matters is commonality in parts. If you have five different types of tanks and they all use the same basic electronics, engines, transmissions, tracks, and guns, then you have the logistics requierments of one tank type. It's how the Israelis have managed to go they way they have and survive, by having at one opoint their early Merkavas, Magachs, and Sho'ts all using the same engine, transmission, gun, and electronics. Four different tanks, one logistical train. They only now are going all Merkava because they've been building them for 28 years or so and the Sho't and Magach chassis are all worn down.

Remember, it's not the vehicle, it's the parts in the vehicle that matter to your logistical and maintenence areas.

[ The Leclerc and Leo 2A6 do have different parts, however (I have no idea what this ST-31K1 thing is). The have a different gun, different track and slightly different suspension. I can't say on the electronics for certain, but I doubt those are compatible either. ]

[ The Leclerc and Leo 2A6 do have different parts, however (I have no idea what this ST-31K1 thing is). The have a different gun, different track and slightly different suspension. I can't say on the electronics for certain, but I doubt those are compatible either. ]

OOC: Oh I know, my point was not regarding having both, it was regarding the statement by Tolvan. In NS Yanitaria could easily field both the LeClerc and Leopard 2A6 in upgraded forms. It would not take much to install a rudamentry autoloader in the Leopard, and it would take even less to modify either vehicle to have the same guns, electronics, engine and transmission, and tracks. They could be brought to either the standard of the 2A6 or the LeClerc, or to a new standard for NS, thus making a much cheaper alternative to buying some of NS' tanks by keeping or buying up older models and upgrading them to keep comonality and lethality. That is, if Yanitaria wants to do that.

OOC: Oh I know, my point was not regarding having both, it was regarding the statement by Tolvan. In NS Yanitaria could easily field both the LeClerc and Leopard 2A6 in upgraded forms. It would not take much to install a rudamentry autoloader in the Leopard, and it would take even less to modify either vehicle to have the same guns, electronics, engine and transmission, and tracks. They could be brought to either the standard of the 2A6 or the LeClerc, or to a new standard for NS, thus making a much cheaper alternative to buying some of NS' tanks by keeping or buying up older models and upgrading them to keep comonality and lethality. That is, if Yanitaria wants to do that.

Aye, to save money, I was considering standardising the avionics, electronics, and weapons of all my vehicles, and modifying them all. However, in cases like the Leclerc, I originally bought two kinds because the leclerc was cheaper, but the leopard better.

I'll discontinue the Leclerc for combat duty, and pawn it off on the national guard, and decommission the rest.

The BMP-3 and CV 90 will stay, because the BMP-3 has the much needed amphibiousness, whereas the CV 90 is my main IFV. However, I'll change the gun on the BMP, and of course convert all the electronics. I'll also replace the BMP missiles with TOWs

The aircraft, I'll eventually get rid of the american planes, except for cargo and transport. The Tornado definitely stays, because the russian plane I have for the role is a fighter bomber, while the tornado is a dedicated CAS plane.

Eventually all the vehicles, save my absolute favorites, will be replaced with ones that meet the NS standard.

Aye, to save money, I was considering standardising the avionics, electronics, and weapons of all my vehicles, and modifying them all. However, in cases like the Leclerc, I originally bought two kinds because the leclerc was cheaper, but the leopard better.

I'll discontinue the Leclerc for combat duty, and pawn it off on the national guard, and decommission the rest.

The BMP-3 and CV 90 will stay, because the BMP-3 has the much needed amphibiousness, whereas the CV 90 is my main IFV. However, I'll change the gun on the BMP, and of course convert all the electronics. I'll also replace the BMP missiles with TOWs

The aircraft, I'll eventually get rid of the american planes, except for cargo and transport. The Tornado definitely stays, because the russian plane I have for the role is a fighter bomber, while the tornado is a dedicated CAS plane.

Eventually all the vehicles, save my absolute favorites, will be replaced with ones that meet the NS standard.

Personally, I'd say the A-10 (or Su-25 is you wanna stay Soviet Bloc) is a better bet for CAS than the Tornado which is really more of a fighter bomber/strike fighter). I use A-10 (with NS level upgrades as my main CAS plane myself).

On armor, I'm not personally a fan of the BMP series and there used a to be a few NS amphibous tanks around but i don't if those storefronts are still active though. The BMP-3's 100mm gun isn't very useful, and the chassis proably can't handle a 120mm gun, so I'd say downgrade to the 30mm gun like the BMP-2 carried. I'd also look at the BMD series, they're amphibous and air droppable as well.

As for an RP, I haven't been in a real war in awhile (and none with this nation) but I've been looking for a good one. TG me and we can work out the details without cluttering this thread up.

[ As I recall, all tanks and APCs/ICVs are made to be amphibious to a certain degree. Snorkels and swim barriers can further improve their ability to ford rivers and whatnot. 100/105 mm isn't really useless; direct-fire artillery support is quite handy in some situations where you really don't need a whole lot of artillery and need it fast. It's not that great for close-in infantry support, and tank warfare has outgrown L7-type guns, but it's got its advantages still. As for the BMD, be aware that you get the later models without the magnesium armour. Be aware as well that the fuel tank on the BMD is not structurally well-supported, and fuel will tend to slosh about. The transmission is also really cranky and tends to lock your gear in place if you put too much demand on it.

I'd recommend thumbing through this (http://books.google.com/books?id=rz7smHCwhX4C&pg=PA10).

Good on you to use the A-10. The survivability of that aircraft is sheer rape (engineers had a fucking field day with that monster). As an example, it can fly with one wing, one vertical stabilizer, half the horizontal stabilizer, leaking hydraulic fluid and shot up with armour-piercing rounds...at once. <.<

or at least that's wut i herd ]

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I would think they meant one engine, not literally one entire wing. Yeah, the Thunderbolt (Warthog, if you wish) is one seriously capable aircraft.

[ No, I mean one wing. ]

Good on you to use the A-10. The survivability of that aircraft is sheer rape (engineers had a fucking field day with that monster). As an example, it can fly with one wing, one vertical stabilizer, half the horizontal stabilizer, leaking hydraulic fluid and shot up with armour-piercing rounds...at once. <.<

or at least that's wut i herd ]

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I would think they meant one engine, not literally one entire wing. Yeah, the Thunderbolt (Warthog, if you wish) is one seriously capable aircraft.

Yeah, it's one wing.

Indeed, the A-10 has some awesome capabilities.

The Imperium actually uses the A-12 Avenger II instead of the Hog, but each unit is considerably more pricey...

[snip]The templates (I call them that) are really other peoples uniforms. They can be found here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?showforum=39).

If you want, I can upload a semi-prepared enlisted uniform, including the beret, and two disembodied heads with the garrison and combination cap, all in one image.
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That would be great, as I cannot get onto that site without logging in.

Hey, I got a new comp, and I just now borrowed a friend external hard drive. I'll see if I can have everything by tonight.

That would be great, as I cannot get onto that site without logging in.

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OOC: Thank you. You are a wonderful human being.