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wow... Very well put together. I might submit things for the next article.

Don't mix NS Invaders and UN [both totally non-RP related things] and events in International Incidents or Nationstates Forums [both having almost nothing to do with NS invaders and the UN]

The UN does not exist in the bonds of NS/I.I. RP, and so if this was a magazine that was distributed ICly, everyone would be "WTF is the UN?"

Bravo, I'm impressed, and that's pretty hard to do.

The UN does not exist in the bonds of NS/I.I. RP, and so if this was a magazine that was distributed ICly, everyone would be "WTF is the UN?"NS and II are open forums, just as the realms of freeform RP are. Players can assume the existence of anything IC, including the UN. You don't make the rules.

Furthermore, if the UN doesn't exist IC, then you guys had best stop harassing us for military aid.

Wow, that is the best put-together NS news entity I have ever seen. Much kudos.

here's a potential story for your next issue, it may have started a week or two ago, but im afraid it never got much publicity, so it will be news for many: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540838

Wow thats good.

NS and II are open forums, just as the realms of freeform RP are. Players can assume the existence of anything IC, including the UN. You don't make the rules.

Furthermore, if the UN doesn't exist IC, then you guys had best stop harassing us for military aid.

No, the UN does not exist, and you can not assume that it does because as you said this is freeform roleplay. No one has roleplayed the UN, and even if anyone did, it was not a massive organisation that encompassed all (or most) of the nations in the world. You can't assume anything, it must be roleplayed. And yes, roleplayers do make the rules for roleplay, not the moderators. Don't attempt to quote that post of Hotrodia that speaks about how ignoring the UN is a godmod. The UN is a gameplay function and is seperate from II. If someone wants to rp it, then fine. Who cares. But no one will join and it will not be as strong as the gameplay UN or the RL UN. In fact, it will hardly resemble the UN at all.

Furthermore, don't mistake noobs for experienced roleplayers. You would never see TSS or me asking the UN for help, even if we were down to our last man.

EDIT: Although this was very well put together. *Applauds* Just remove the crap about the UN and it would be great for II.

I think it's great with all the stuff you put into it. I don't think you should remove the UN stuff. Don't let the big bad old nations scare you.

Very well put together. I might even send in an article about the my War with Red tide.

Found a couple of old links that I remember where we had this debate and the experienced RPers won out...

Omigodtheykilledkenny claims there is a UN:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997017&postcount=78

Questers shoots him down:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997027&postcount=79

Allanea backs up Questers:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997038&postcount=80

Automagfreek backs up Questers:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997057&postcount=82

Olmedreca backs up those previous:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997085&postcount=83

Omigodtheykilledkenny fights back:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997117&postcount=86

Vetaka comes back at him (last paragraph):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997119&postcount=87

The Charr backs up Omigodtheykilledkenny:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997121&postcount=88

The Warmaster comes back at the Charr:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997131&postcount=89

Scandanavian States tells the UN to shove it:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997155&postcount=92

Questers comes back at Omigodtheykilledkenny:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997163&postcount=94

After that the discussion died, but let us count the chips as we may. Questers. Allanea. Automagfreek. Olmedreca. Vetaka. The Warmaster. Scandanavian States. Hell, even me (who was in there before it heated up). All (for the most part) thought of as good roleplayers. Some people may not know some of the names at the top of the list, but they A) are great roleplayrs, and B) can crush you like a bug, they are so big. Not all, but a great majority of the experienced roleplayers know that the UN does not exist. Gameplay is seperated from roleplay. That is how it has always been, and that is how it will always be.

Well, he can claim whatever he'd like, but the NationStates UN (the one on the actual website of the game) does not exist in International Incidents, and articles pertaining to it should go into the United Nations sub-forum. That said, it's very well written and has nice production values, good work.

I'm not going to say whether or not the NS UN exists on II/NS or not, but consider this: FAR more RPers refuse to acknowledge it's existence than those who do. So while it might exist for those select few, for most of us, it might as well not exist, and thus doesn't.

Now that THAT'S all out of the way, not a bad job. Not really a fan of the simple cut/paste job for the Allanea story, as it doesn't really fit in with a journalistic style. Also not a fan of mixing forums, but hey, a broader reader base can't be bad. It's just that preaching religious tolerance to RPers who play things like Nazis, Catholic extremists, and fanatical Muslims is a bit pointless.

I respectfully suggest that all those who wish to debate upon the existance of an II UN take it to another thread, and stop cluttering this one.

No, the UN does not exist, and you can not assume that it does because as you said this is freeform roleplay. No one has roleplayed the UN, and even if anyone did, it was not a massive organisation that encompassed all (or most) of the nations in the world. You can't assume anything, it must be roleplayed. And yes, roleplayers do make the rules for roleplay, not the moderators. Don't attempt to quote that post of Hotrodia that speaks about how ignoring the UN is a godmod. The UN is a gameplay function and is seperate from II. If someone wants to rp it, then fine. Who cares. But no one will join and it will not be as strong as the gameplay UN or the RL UN. In fact, it will hardly resemble the UN at all.

Furthermore, don't mistake noobs for experienced roleplayers. You would never see TSS or me asking the UN for help, even if we were down to our last man.

EDIT: Although this was very well put together. *Applauds* Just remove the crap about the UN and it would be great for II.

I'm not overly sure as to how or why I got mentioned, but I'd like to make a clarifying note.

On a personal level, if any player wishes to roleplay their nation as if the UN doesn't exist, I could not possibly care less. I might think it's very silly to pretend that there's no connection whatsoever between the nation, region, and UN pages in the game and our nations as roleplayed on the forums (whether with regard to UN membership or your nation's pretitle, etc), but it doesn't cause me any real concern.

As a Moderator, it's a basically an irrelevant issue, and I'm not sure why it's even being discussed here.

Addendum:

I respectfully suggest that all those who wish to debate upon the existance of an II UN take it to another thread, and stop cluttering this one.

An excellent suggestion.

I'm not overly sure as to how or why I got mentioned, but I'd like to make a clarifying note.

On a personal level, if any player wishes to roleplay their nation as if the UN doesn't exist, I could not possibly care less. I might think it's very silly to pretend that there's no connection whatsoever between the nation, region, and UN pages in the game and our nations as roleplayed on the forums (whether with regard to UN membership or your nation's pretitle, etc), but it doesn't cause me any real concern.

As a Moderator, it's a basically an irrelevant issue, and I'm not sure why it's even being discussed here.

To clarify why I brought you up, Omigodtheykilledkenny quoted you in this post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12997017&postcount=78

Your post is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11280689&postcount=2
Some nations choose to roleplay complete non-compliance with NSUN legislation, which means that they choose to roleplay as if the NSUN has no affect on them. While such persons may do what they wish in their own roleplay, the practice of ignoring NSUN legislation in roleplay is generally considered extremely bad form and often called godmoding.

Thus you entered the conversation...

HotRodia, as always, is right on this: as threadjacks go, this is one of the lamest I've seen, and I apologize for my part in it.