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E1492 Register (INVITATIONAL ONLY)

Antigonal
27-10-2007, 17:19
Hello all, if you're reading this it means you belong to a crack group of RPers, known for your skill and activity. I was inspired to start a historical RP after The World fell to inactivity. I thought there had to be some solution out there for dealing with inactive players, how could I weed them out so they wouldn't ruin great RPs? I decided upon starting an invitational only, it was the only answer I could think of. So let me get started with the rules!

It is 1492 Europe. America has not yet been discovered. The Renaissance has not yet begun (historically inaccurate but we'll go with it). Despite the fact the Portuguese and Vikings had reached these places earlier in real-life, Iceland, Greenland, anything south of the bulge of West Africa, and India have no been discovered either. And a series of young kingdoms in Europe are about to make the biggest discovery of the past millennium. The Age of Exploration is dawning.

All players will claim a country in Europe (if you're not Eurocentric minded, no fear, read below). It can be roughly the same size as modern France if you choose a nation in Western Europe (see map to see definition of "Western Europe). If you claim in Eastern Europe, your nation can be slightly larger. All cities founded by 1491, in the entire world, are still there. Europe is entirely Catholic at the start of the game, indirectly governed by the pope who lives not in Rome, but in Marseille. All tech is the same as it would have been in 1492 Europe (remember that means hardly any arquebuses and a small amount of cannon). Populations are roughly the same as they were in 1492 (I know, pop. stats are gonna be hard to impossible to find so we can work together to come up with acceptable numbers). Those are the basic details of Europe, below are some other claiming options.

For those of you who don't want to be a European country, you have five choices, RPing an empire similar to the Ottoman Empire at its height (including the Balkans), playing as a replica of Persia, playing a nation in Northern-Central India that is not unlike the Mughal Empire at its height, a Chinese empire, or Japan with a little bit of South Korea. I'm sorry if these seem restrictive but you can talk to me about exact borders, I just need a country to fill in those spots a bit. These countries represent the five major non-European empires of the world at the time of European expansion. They don't have to be exactly like their real life contemporaries. These "advanced nations" will start out much larger, wealthier, and more powerful than the Europeans, they will remain this way for the first few decades of the game. However, while the Europeans can colonize and send out explorers, these countries can't really expand overseas (Japan has a slight exception). India will be mostly Hindu with some Buddhists and Sunnis, the Ottoman Empire look-a-like will be mostly Sunni, the Persian replica will be Shia, the Chinese will be a mix of Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism, and Japan will be a blend of Buddhism and Shintoism. Technology is the same as it would have been in these regions in 1492.

If worst comes to worst this is how we will get people to play as advanced nations: the first four people register get a free choice of where to RP and, if no one has become one willingly, the next two people will be forced to choose an advanced nation to play. After two more people sign up (provided they choose a European country), the next three will be forced to choose an advanced nation. If we can get a 13th player, they will be forced to choose in Europe.

FACTBOOKS: Every player will be required to make one, no debating this. Once I approve it, you can begin RPing. If you take too long or show no sign of having worked on it, I reserve the right to boot you.

EVENTS: Most of you should know what these are already so I'll just explain them briefly. They are random situations I throw at players for them to RP. They can range from a new papal edict to a civil war outbreak. They cannot be ignored and you are all responsible to check the Events Thread (which will be opened later) AT LEAST every other day. More is encouraged. If you fail to react to an event, you will be kicked.

ECONOMIES: Economies are built by merchants. The number of wealthy merchants your nation has, the richer the state is. Merchants are attracted by valuable resources and important trade routes/waterways and bred by large populations. Basically, the larger your population, the more resources you have, and your strategic location give you more merchants. Merchants are put into bankruptcy or flee during wars. Wars cost merchants. Also, setting up colonies and embassies, building armies, and constructing fleets also costs money from these merchants. What this means is that our currency, is going to be merchants. I decide how many you get. There is no mathematical formula. You lose merchants when you buy things or start wars. Here is a list of prices:

Set Up Embassy - 5 Merchants
Build Single Galleon - 35 Merchants
Start Colony - 80 Merchants
Build Medieval Army - 90 Merchants
Build Modern Army - 125 Merchants
Start War - 200 Merchants

Every European country starts with 180 merchants, advanced nations start with 240. Every three years (every Monday) you will receive a certain amount more. This amount will be assigned by me and will be known as your YMN (yearly merchant net-worth). You MUST note you YMN on your factbook. If you take more land, I will increase your YMN, if you lose land, I will lower it. You MUST open a finances thread which details ALL of you expenditures. If you fail to do so, you will be kicked from the game immediately.

MILITARY: in this RP you buy armies, a Modern Army is made up of 2,500 pikemen, 10 cannons, 1,000 light cavalry, and 500 arquebusers. A Medieval Army consists of 4,000 men-at-arms, 2,000 archers/crossbowmen, 500 heavy cavalry (strong against men-at-arms, archers/crossbowmen, and arquebusers, too slow to fight light cavalry and terrible against pikemen), and 1 cannon. Prices for both of these armies are listed above. This military system works only for European nations and the Ottoman Empire replica. The other four advanced, Asian nations will have a different system.

ON COLONIALISM: sometime, not long after starting, some nation in the "Western Europe" category (see map) will discover the Americas. Slowly, so will the other countries. Then there will come an event which enables countries in "Eastern Europe" to begin colonizing the New World. How will you establish colonies you ask? You must RP the building of colonies, and it will cost 80 merchants to do so. The colony will be miniscule to begin with, just a small town clinging to the coast. However, it will naturally expand weekly and once you have a colonial base, you can launch military operations to expand your colony. These military campaigns are often unsuccessful though, being that these troops are in a foreign, unknown land. The best way to expand colonies is by using conquistadors. You can only get a conquistador through events; they have the ability to suppress massive amounts of people and large tracts of land with relatively few troops and in a short period of time. A conquistador can go on ONE campaign and it must be in a colonial area against a native people, after the campaign, the conquistador goes bye-bye. But keep in mind, these conquistadors are not all Hernan Cortez, they will not conquer all of Mexico, they can take an area about the size of the state of Georgia. Since there aren't many cities in these newly explored places, you can RP the founding of a city, colony, or province and give them a name.

HISTORY: Our history is completely up to you. Before a player can begin playing, they must write a history of their nation. If a player writes in their history that there was a massive flood a few years ago, everyone must go by that. However, players cannot say "there was a massive flood, but it only affected my neighboring countries, not me." Also, no changing the RP too dramatically by saying things like "there was a huge war that we're all getting over" or "there was a big famine/plague a few years back." That makes the game into something completely different. Here are the only facts we hold true right now. There is no such thing as Protestantism yet. The pope lives in Marseille. A millennium ago there was a great empire centered in Western Spain called the Tonian Empire, although it fell centuries ago, much of the Europe's learning took place during the Tonian era and the Church still uses Tonian as the clerical language. At its height the Tonian Empire ruled all corners of the Mediterranean, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and even briefly controlled the southern coast of England.

COUNTRIES AND PEOPLES: all countries go by the same name as they do in RL. The area around the mouth of the Rhine is still the Netherlands. This is so we don’t have to remember a million different names. You can give your country a specific name though, like the Kingdom of the Upper Rhine. It’s just easier to say, “I’m invading the Netherlands”, since everyone knows where that is. Colonies can/should be named and you can call them whatever you please. Races are still the same. The English are still in England, the French are still in France. Their culture is up to you, it’s just difficult to have to remember the names of thousands of different, mildly sci-fi races that everyone always wants to make. You could RP a massive immigration or emigration of peoples in your history if you would like though. You could say Poland now has a large Russian population. Just keep it realistic, England wouldn’t be filled with Egyptians and although there could be some Russians in Poland, they wouldn’t be the dominant race.

DIFFERENCES FOR ADVANCED PLAYERS: there are some distinct differences between European nations and the advanced-Asian players. Here they are:

While Europeans start out with 180 merchants each, Asian countries start out with 240 a piece. Things are also priced differently:

Establish Embassy – Free
Construct Single Warship/Junk – 30
Build Army – 100
Star War – 200

These prices apply to every advanced player besides the Ottoman Empire, while the Turks start with 240 merchants like the rest of the advanced players, they use European style armies and prices.

Next there is military. NOTE: THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO TURKS, THEY USE EUROPEAN STYLE ARMIES. Asian countries only get one kind of army, it consists of 10,000 warriors/infantry, 2,500 heavy cavalry, and 4,000 archers/crossbowmen.

Asian countries cannot build colonies or get conquistadors. The Japanese are allowed to expand overseas into mainland Asia but they can only send armies, not colonists.

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OK, that about does it for rules. As you all should know by now, we plan to take this RP off-site which we’ll be doing shortly. Please do not start your histories or factbooks until then, just claim for now. Thanks and I hope to have an excellent round.

Europe Map: http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/Antigonal/?action=view&current=1492-4.jpg

Western Europe/Eastern Europe Divide Map: http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/Antigonal/?action=view&current=eastwest.jpg

World Map: http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/Antigonal/?action=view&current=World1492-4.png

Antigonal: Pine Green
Mussleburgh: Yellow
Angaor: Red
Papal States (not real player): Purple
Weccanfeld: Light Blue
Kansiov: Brown
New Brittonia: Light Green
The Scandivans: Dark Blue
Bredford: Orange
Lachenburg: Black
Ghassan: Gold
Psychotika: Lavender
The New True Cross: Crimson
Mussleburgh
27-10-2007, 17:31
PICK ME !!!!!!! *cough's ,stops shouting* Yes we talked a bit a about this and you said I could join up is that OK? If so then I would like to claim what ever land you think would suit me and my RPing style the best.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 17:42
By the way, I claim the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the English provinces of Kent, Sussex, and Norfolk.

Yep, Mussle your in. I would reccomend playing as one of the advanced nations, particularly Persia. I think you have a strong position there, to expand at your own pace, without threat for a while. This will give you time to get established before having to fight off Europeans.
Mussleburgh
27-10-2007, 17:46
No I always pick a land to big or small. I want you to tell me what I should have and yes I'm sure damn it! ;)
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 17:52
See above, I edited my post. My whole case for it is above, but Persia is a good sized empire, not too big or small. It also gets a good head start and doesn't have to worry about competeing with greedy European states in their homeland.
Mussleburgh
27-10-2007, 17:53
By jove he's got it! Lol :) I'll start making my factbook right away! WATCH THIS SPACE!!!!!


Too big? I left you room for a northern Indian Civilization,the Ottoman Empire and for some tribes in Saudi Arabia.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2640/middleeastiv1.gif
Pyschotika
27-10-2007, 18:15
I'd like to be a part of this..sounds very interesting.
Angaor
27-10-2007, 19:28
I would like to claim the Chinese Empire
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:08
By jove he's got it! Lol :) I'll start making my factbook right away! WATCH THIS SPACE!!!!!


Too big? I left you room for a northern Indian Civilization,the Ottoman Empire and for some tribes in Saudi Arabia.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2640/middleeastiv1.gif

A bit big, I need Syria and Palestine for the Ottoman Empire, you can have most of the rest though.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:08
I'd like to be a part of this..sounds very interesting.

Sorry, invitational only.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:09
I would like to claim the Chinese Empire

Sounds good.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:13
So Asian Countries we cant expand into other lands with colonies or do we have to send armies and just keep them in that Area

Colonies are overseas ventures, invasions are armies sent to conquer other lands. You can conquer countries along you land borders, you can even invade islands like Japan, Taiwan, Bahrain, Sri Lanka, Cyprus (depending on which Asian country you are), but you can't go invade, let's say, Indonesia, that's practically the same thing as colonialism. The island should be near you as well.
Angaor
27-10-2007, 21:16
Colonies are overseas ventures, invasions are armies sent to conquer other lands. You can conquer countries along you land borders, you can even invade islands like Japan, Taiwan, Bahrain, Sri Lanka, Cyprus (depending on which Asian country you are), but you can't go invade, let's say, Indonesia, that's practically the same thing as colonialism. The island should be near you as well.

oh ok thats works
Weccanfeld
27-10-2007, 21:17
Just to let everyone know, I am taking part. And a TG for you, Anti.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:18
Mussleburgh and others, no one start a factbook or history yet. You may not start this until we move off-site. We will begin to transfer off-site once we have 12 or 13 players. This will take place during this week.

Currently seven people have signed up, one more gave me a "maybe." Three (including myself) have registered on this thread and made a claim. We need a few more. I am open to recommendations from all those who I invited, I trust your word.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 21:26
Just to let everyone know, I am taking part. And a TG for you, Anti.

I responded.
Pyschotika
27-10-2007, 22:17
Sorry, invitational only.

Where are you inviting out of though, just based out of people you've rp'd with before, or what..just curious.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 22:25
Where are you inviting out of though, just based out of people you've rp'd with before, or what..just curious.

Just people I've RPed with before, if you can get a recommendation ad a competent and active historical RPer from one of the people I invited (Angaor, The Scandivans, Alversia, Dontgonearthere, Trem., and a few others), I'd let you in.
Pyschotika
27-10-2007, 22:28
Just people I've RPed with before, if you can get a recommendation ad a competent and active historical RPer from one of the people I invited (Angaor, The Scandivans, Alversia, Dontgonearthere, Trem., and a few others), I'd let you in.

Well, I've RP'd with DGNT when he did all his off site forums. Was active until they started falling apart, ask him about the time I was Japan and he Russia.

EDIT: Ask him about ClubCrKz / CC, not Pyschotika.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 22:38
Well, I've RP'd with DGNT when he did all his off site forums. Was active until they started falling apart, ask him about the time I was Japan and he Russia.

EDIT: Ask him about ClubCrKz / CC, not Pyschotika.

I would, but DGNT went incognito a few months back, I've been trying to contact him to no avail. Keep in touch, maybe I can get you in though. A friend of DGNT is a friend of mine so to speak, but he has a lot of friends :D.
Pyschotika
27-10-2007, 22:40
I would, but DGNT went incognito a few months back, I've been trying to contact him to no avail. Keep in touch, maybe I can get you in though. A friend of DGNT is a friend of mine so to speak, but he has a lot of friends :D.

I TG'd him before..he answered back..

But yea, anywho..going to eat..and watch a game..cya man.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 22:44
I TG'd him before..he answered back..

But yea, anywho..going to eat..and watch a game..cya man.

Huh, maybe he's just ignoring my invitations for new RPs... :p.
Weccanfeld
27-10-2007, 23:12
I'll claim either all of Italy, or if that is too much, just Northern Italy (From Rome to Turin) and/or Sicily.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 23:19
I'll claim either all of Italy, or if that is too much, just Northern Italy (From Rome to Turin) and/or Sicily.

I'll give you most of Italy and Sicily.
Port Edward
27-10-2007, 23:24
"I WANT I WANT, PICK ME!"

Oh, this looks very interesting.

Weccanfield, please give me recommendation so i can join it.. :rolleyes:

OOC: Its Bredford, accidently logined into my puppet.
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 23:30
"I WANT I WANT, PICK ME!"

Oh, this looks very interesting.

Weccanfield, please give me recommendation so i can join it.. :rolleyes:

OOC: Its Bredford, accidently logined into my puppet.

Woah, my bad Bredford, I totally forgot to invite you! Where are you interested in claiming?
New Brittonia
27-10-2007, 23:38
Niiiiice,

and why can't asian nations have colonies?

can I be an empire in the Americas?
Antigonal
27-10-2007, 23:44
Niiiiice,

and why can't asian nations have colonies?

can I be an empire in the Americas?

Asian countries can't have colonies because I wanna make this sort of RL, where Europe comes to rule the world and all. It is up to the Asian powers not to expand further (they are already the largest) but to maintain their borders and expand inland if possible. No, sorry, the only non-European empires that can be claimed are the five advanced nations (China and Persia have already been claimed). Sorry if it sounds Eurocentric. It's just, the empires of the Americas and Africa were so weak during this time compared to the other nations of the world, that they really aren't important on an international scale.
Bredford
27-10-2007, 23:48
Ok. will be ready soon. (my claim will be ready soon.)
New Brittonia
27-10-2007, 23:58
Asian countries can't have colonies because I wanna make this sort of RL, where Europe comes to rule the world and all. It is up to the Asian powers not to expand further (they are already the largest) but to maintain their borders and expand inland if possible. No, sorry, the only non-European empires that can be claimed are the five advanced nations (China and Persia have already been claimed). Sorry if it sounds Eurocentric. It's just, the empires of the Americas and Africa were so weak during this time compared to the other nations of the world, that they really aren't important on an international scale.

It does seem eurocentric that Asian countries couldn't colonize.

Well then. . . I want Scotland please (unles Asian nations can get colonies)

i would have used 1421 as an example. . . but I didn't know if Antigonal has heard of it.
Bredford
27-10-2007, 23:58
Asian countries can't have colonies because I wanna make this sort of RL, where Europe comes to rule the world and all. It is up to the Asian powers not to expand further (they are already the largest) but to maintain their borders and expand inland if possible. No, sorry, the only non-European empires that can be claimed are the five advanced nations (China and Persia have already been claimed). Sorry if it sounds Eurocentric. It's just, the empires of the Americas and Africa were so weak during this time compared to the other nations of the world, that they really aren't important on an international scale.

I might want to correct you on this (i just readed '1412'. a great book, by the way) China did have colonies. she had colonies even in the Americas. (yes.. yes.. they discovered it before Columbus, infact, it was proven that Columbus actually used Chinese maps, which fell to some Venice-merchant hands, then to portugal and so...) Indonesia, Africa, India and all those places. China itself, was much stronger then all of the European states TOGETHER. (just for interesting example, when the english prince got married, the bride itself weared no socks, they didn't had plates, and they eated stinking food. when the Chinese emperor married, he had invited three-hundred, and his bride was covered in golden jewelry, and people were invited from Kazahstan to India to the event. the Europeans were not invited because they were considered 'Barbarian'.) However, China didn't forcefully conquered its colonies, rather established them, or simply "puppeted" the local rulers with its gold. why didn't we heared about China so much? because that wonderful time, has only lasted two emperors. the third emperor was more isolatanist then Nigeria in WWII (and Nigeria didn't even existed).
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:08
Ummm.. i still didn't figured out, how do we know how much we can claim?

If you're claiming in Western Europe, no larger than modern Poland. Eastern Europe, a little smaller than Belarus, Poland, and Lithuania combined would be okay.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:12
I might want to correct you on this (i just readed '1412'. a great book, by the way) China did have colonies. she had colonies even in the Americas. (yes.. yes.. they discovered it before Columbus, infact, it was proven that Columbus actually used Chinese maps, which fell to some Venice-merchant hands, then to portugal and so...) Indonesia, Africa, India and all those places. China itself, was much stronger then all of the European states TOGETHER. (just for interesting example, when the english prince got married, the bride itself weared no socks, they didn't had plates, and they eated stinking food. when the Chinese emperor married, he had invited three-hundred, and his bride was covered in golden jewelry, and people were invited from Kazahstan to India to the event. the Europeans were not invited because they were considered 'Barbarian'.) However, China didn't forcefully conquered its colonies, rather established them, or simply "puppeted" the local rulers with its gold. why didn't we heared about China so much? because that wonderful time, has only lasted two emperors. the third emperor was more isolatanist then Nigeria in WWII (and Nigeria didn't even existed).

I spent an extensive time studying this (not the America part, by China during their short lived age of exploration) and by 1492, the great Chinese junks had been retired. By 1504 (I believe) no ship with more than two mast was allowed into Chinese ports. Also, China had some overseas embassies, but no firmly established colonies. China had some powerful trading partners, and may have even established temporary trading posts, but never any that lasted. Most of China's puppet kingdoms were in Central China, Tibet, or South-East Asia, not overseas. I also dispute the theory that the Chinese discovered the Americas.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:15
It does seem eurocentric that Asian countries couldn't colonize.

Well then. . . I want Scotland please (unles Asian nations can get colonies)

i would have used 1421 as an example. . . but I didn't know if Antigonal has heard of it.

You want the 1421 borders of Scotland or are you refrencing an awful book?
Bredford
28-10-2007, 00:15
By 1492, true. but by 1412, they WERE strong.

And its not theory, it has been proved, along with Chinese DNA in villages in South-America. nvm now. but they DO have guns.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:17
By 1492, true. but by 1412, they WERE strong.

And its not theory, it has been proved, along with Chinese DNA in villages in South-America. nvm now. but they DO have guns.

The Chinese had guns in 1492? I know they had gunpowder but never guns or cannons, not until later. If they did have any, surely there were few, correct?
Bredford
28-10-2007, 00:21
The Chinese had guns in 1492? I know they had gunpowder but never guns or cannons, not until later. If they did have any, surely there were few, correct?

Few. the most are disbanded. but they still have the technology.

By the way, are we allowed to do cultural changes? (like, for example, i would like Portugal to speak English)
Weccanfeld
28-10-2007, 00:22
By 1492, true. but by 1412, they WERE strong.

And its not theory, it has been proved, along with Chinese DNA in villages in South-America. nvm now. but they DO have guns.

It's still a theory. There isn't enough evidence for it to be taken as seriously as Columbus or the Vikings. Nevertheless, Anti did say that he wanted something along the lines of Europe's golden age rather than a Global Chinese Empire.

The Chinese had guns in 1492? I know they had gunpowder but never guns or cannons, not until later. If they did have any, surely there were few, correct?

I believe they discovered cannon at a similar time to Europe's.

Oh, and can you do the map so I can see how much land your giving me if that isn't a problem.
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 00:35
My claim, its in red.

http://img107.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/10/27/14921-48azq6ng8.jpg
New Brittonia
28-10-2007, 00:43
You want the 1421 borders of Scotland or are you refrencing an awful book?

I'm guesing you're not gonna let any asian nations have colonies then.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:47
Few. the most are disbanded. but they still have the technology.

By the way, are we allowed to do cultural changes? (like, for example, i would like Portugal to speak English)

Small alterations are okay. You could say there was a massive English migration to Portugal sometime in the past and that it is now one of your official languages, but keep it realistic. Portugese would still be a prominent language.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:49
I'm guesing you're not gonna let any asian nations have colonies then.

I don't plan on it, Japan can conquer Taiwan, China can have Hainan, the Ottoman Empire can invade Cyprus, the Indians can attack Sri Lanka, and the Persian could assualt Bahrain, but these are wars or invasions. Asian countries cannot build distant colonies, just make nearby overseas invasions.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:50
My claim, its in red.

http://img107.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/10/27/14921-48azq6ng8.jpg

You do realize much of that land was scarecly inhabited at this time. The Kola Pen. had few residents, as did the White Sea area.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:51
Oh, and can you do the map so I can see how much land your giving me if that isn't a problem.

I'm going by the policy of updating every two or three times someone claims. So far, you claimed, and Kansiov claimed, but I wanna give him a second to reconsider his choice.
Bredford
28-10-2007, 00:52
OK.

I decided.

I want Portugal, and colonies on both of the Morrocan and the Spanish Gibraltar areas. (Only on the Spanish side of the channel if i can't the Morrocan side)
And the Azores and the Cape-Verde isles.

Also, my nation is controlled by all-out naval company (it constructs ships, it do shippings, and it has warships and hunts pirates.)
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 00:54
You do realize much of that land was scarecly inhabited at this time. The Kola Pen. had few residents, as did the White Sea area.

Ok, so can i make my claim up to Moscow?
The Scandinvans
28-10-2007, 00:59
May I have Norway, Denmark, Ireland, Essex, and Northumbia?
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 00:59
OK.

I decided.

I want Portugal, and colonies on both of the Morrocan and the Spanish Gibraltar areas. (Only on the Spanish side of the channel if i can't the Morrocan side)
And the Azores and the Cape-Verde isles.

Also, my nation is controlled by all-out naval company (it constructs ships, it do shippings, and it has warships and hunts pirates.)

Sounds good, I gave you both sides of the Straits by the way. I also gave you the Cape Verde Islands, but just to let you know, no one can claim south of that and no one can claim on mainland West Africa.

Also, just making sure everyone knows, you can't "stumble" upon the Americas, I will make an event for it when the time comes. No lost fishing ships that are captained by very skilled cartographers and no merchants that are off course on the edge of the world are going to find it for your country.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 01:00
May I have Norway, Denmark, Ireland, Essex, and Northumbia?

You may. I will cut it down a bit though because that's a lot.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 01:02
Ok, so can i make my claim up to Moscow?

Okay, I may lessen your claim in other places since that's a lot of land (no matter how few people are there), but you'll still get Moscow, a couple ports on the White Sea, and some bases along the Gulf of Finland.
New Brittonia
28-10-2007, 01:03
I don't plan on it, Japan can conquer Taiwan, China can have Hainan, the Ottoman Empire can invade Cyprus, the Indians can attack Sri Lanka, and the Persian could assualt Bahrain, but these are wars or invasions. Asian countries cannot build distant colonies, just make nearby overseas invasions.

Okay, I want to be The Celtic Confederacy then:
That is,

Scotland
Isle of Man
Brittany
Ireland
Wales
Cornwall
Guersney
Jersey
Sark
and all the other Channel Islands
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 01:11
Okay, I want to be The Celtic Confederacy then:
That is,

Scotland
Isle of Man
Brittany
Ireland
Wales
Cornwall
Guersney
Jersey
Sark
and all the other Channel Islands

Okay, Ireland was just claimed by Scand, but (before you even claimed) I shrank his Irish possesions a bit because his empire was kinda big. I will give you what's left.
The Scandinvans
28-10-2007, 01:13
You may. I will cut it down a bit though because that's a lot.Lands I definately want the whole of Denmark and Norway.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 01:18
Lands I definately want the whole of Denmark and Norway.

I cut down N. Ireland and another province in north-western Ireland. I gave you all of Denmark and all the English provinces you wanted. I did, however, cut off that winding piece of Norway that goes around Sweden (is there a name for that?). It wasn't very populated or rich back then, I can give it to you if you would like to trade something else.

EDIT: Oh, I gave you Essex but not London by the way. I was gonna try to claim it too but I thought it was too much to ask, even for my humble empire.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 01:32
I updated the map all, I'd like to see some more people claiming one of the three remaining advanced nations now. The Ottoman Empire, Japan, and the Mughal Empire look-a-likes are all still available. Also, can anybody recommend any good/active RPers? A couple people signed on for this RP, but haven't registered yet (which is fine) and Alversia said he'd consider joining after he took a look at the RP rules. But we still need a handful more before we can start. I trust you guys will only recommend the best.
Bredford
28-10-2007, 01:40
Damirez is good RP'er, i will talk to him.

Anyway, i am unable to find my population (not even in Populstat.Info).

Also, how do i know my YMN, or other economic information?

Does military needs some kind of upkeep fee?
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 02:14
I have a few population stats in 1500, note its only 8 years, it should be around this range:

Italy: 12.3 million
Russia(St Petersburg and Moscow): 6 million
France: 18.7 million
Portugal: 1 million
England & Wales: 2 million
Norway: 0.2 million
Sweden: 0.5 million
Denmark: 1 million
Netherlands: 0.4-0.6 million
Ireland: 1 million
Scotland: 1.8 million
China: 59-65 million

Well thats all I know of ;)
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 02:25
Damirez is good RP'er, i will talk to him.

Anyway, i am unable to find my population (not even in Populstat.Info).

Also, how do i know my YMN, or other economic information?

Does military needs some kind of upkeep fee?

I'll give out YMNs when we start moving off-site, you shouldn't start writing your history or factbook until then. I will make a rule about military upkeep at a later time, I'm still thinking about it.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 02:27
I have a few population stats in 1500, note its only 8 years, it should be around this range:

Italy: 12.3 million
Russia(St Petersburg and Moscow): 6 million
France: 18.7 million
Portugal: 1 million
England & Wales: 2 million
Norway: 0.2 million
Sweden: 0.5 million
Denmark: 1 million
Netherlands: 0.4-0.6 million
Ireland: 1 million
Scotland: 1.8 million
China: 59-65 million

Well thats all I know of ;)

Netherlands seem very low, no? I'm not just saying this because I'm playing them by the way. Also, do you have any idea about Belgium?
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 02:35
0.4-0.6 million
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 02:46
0.4-0.6 million

Why are the Netherlands so low compared to places like... everywhere? Isn't it at least as populated as Ireland or Denmark?
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 02:48
Cause i believe its mainly due to the black death, or basically Netherland's population explosion happened later, in the 20th century.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 02:59
Cause i believe its mainly due to the black death, or basically Netherland's population explosion happened later, in the 20th century.

Hmm, well I know during the Dutch War of Independence (about a century later) their population was dramatically larger. And the black death was nearly 150 years earlier and effected countries like England, France, and the Holy Roman Empire just as much.
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 03:01
yes England's population dropped by 2.8 million and France's by 2 million. Holy Roman Empire's population dropped from 24 million to 21 million.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 03:14
yes England's population dropped by 2.8 million and France's by 2 million. Holy Roman Empire's population dropped from 24 million to 21 million.

Any guesses as to what my total population would be? I control Norfolk, Sussex, Kent, Calais, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 03:16
Around 1.7 million.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 03:24
Around 1.7 million.

Hmm, sounds good.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 04:11
I know you already sent me one recommendation Kansiov, but does anybody know of any good, free off-site forums? A lot of the ones I've found so far have been kinda sketchy...
New Brittonia
28-10-2007, 04:40
Okay, Ireland was just claimed by Scand, but (before you even claimed) I shrank his Irish possesions a bit because his empire was kinda big. I will give you what's left.

thanks, my pop: 2.5 million?
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 04:57
thanks, my pop: 2.5 million?

Yeah, that sounds right. But it's not an issue yet, I don't want people starting factbooks or writing national histories until after the off-site forum is up.
Kansiov
28-10-2007, 04:58
why must we do it offsite? jolt is good enough.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 05:06
why must we do it offsite? jolt is good enough.

Several reasons. If we're going to be opening multiple threads, an off-site forum will increase organization. Additionally, we will have free range to do what we want and make it as RL as we feel like. It also gives us the ability to make our own mods and have our own mod capabilities.
Mussleburgh
28-10-2007, 12:10
Here's some of my stats.(I accidentaly quit this window meaning I lost all data about wich region had how many people :mad:)


Total Population:49,860,690

History: Once an empire that encompassed the whole of the Middle East,Northern India and Eastern Europe because of the black death and a mad monarchy it is now half it's former size. Is on very bad terms with the Ottoman Empire. The relations with european nations are neutral and as for eastern nations they are ecstatic about them.

Military: It's Calvary is feared through out the Middle East it also has a decent sized navy and its infantry is OK but not exceptional. It has a few cannons.

Economy: The empire is a merchant empire and relies on trade. It also makes fine food,wine,horses,tea,silk,ships and swords and sells them on.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 16:17
Here's some of my stats.(I accidentaly quit this window meaning I lost all data about wich region had how many people :mad:)


Total Population:49,860,690

History: Once an empire that encompassed the whole of the Middle East,Northern India and Eastern Europe because of the black death and a mad monarchy it is now half it's former size. Is on very bad terms with the Ottoman Empire. The relations with european nations are neutral and as for eastern nations they are ecstatic about them.

Military: It's Calvary is feared through out the Middle East it also has a decent sized navy and its infantry is OK but not exceptional. It has a few cannons.

Economy: The empire is a merchant empire and relies on trade. It also makes fine food,wine,horses,tea,silk,ships and swords and sells them on.

That's a good start Mussle, but save histories and factbooks until we go off-site. I'm still waiting for Ghassan to register and possibly Alversia, if he's still interested. I believe we have eight players currently, so with at least one more player guarenteed, and another possibly joining, we still need three or four more players before we can move off-site. If you can recommend any good/active RPers, please let me know. I really want to avoid having to open this up to the general public to get the last few people we need.
Angaor
28-10-2007, 17:31
My total population would be between 90-120 million
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 17:39
My total population would be between 90-120 million

That sounds right.

By the way all, ON GOVERNMENTS, you're all probably going to be some kind of monarchy. Dictatorships really don't exist yet. Also, there wouldn't be any constitutions (or civil rights for that matter). Two or three of the smaller nations might have an early parliament that doesn't have much power and isn't at all democratic, but that's it. And this one is a real stretch, but maybe one of the smallest nations here (like my current size) could be a corrupt, oligarchical republic. But I really don't wanna see republics or democracies springing up everywhere, this isn't a fantasy game. Thanks.
Mussleburgh
28-10-2007, 18:18
By the way all, ON GOVERNMENTS, you're all probably going to be some kind of monarchy. Dictatorships really don't exist yet. Also, there wouldn't be any constitutions (or civil rights for that matter). Two or three of the smaller nations might have an early parliament that doesn't have much power and isn't at all democratic, but that's it. And this one is a real stretch, but maybe one of the smallest nations here (like my current size) could be a corrupt, oligarchical republic. But I really don't wanna see republics or democracies springing up everywhere, this isn't a fantasy game. Thanks.

*sighs stops waving a red flag*

"Awwww! Me,me want com,com"

Lol yeah cool.
The Scandinvans
28-10-2007, 18:50
That sounds right.

By the way all, ON GOVERNMENTS, you're all probably going to be some kind of monarchy. Dictatorships really don't exist yet. Also, there wouldn't be any constitutions (or civil rights for that matter). Two or three of the smaller nations might have an early parliament that doesn't have much power and isn't at all democratic, but that's it. And this one is a real stretch, but maybe one of the smallest nations here (like my current size) could be a corrupt, oligarchical republic. But I really don't wanna see republics or democracies springing up everywhere, this isn't a fantasy game. Thanks.What about an aboslute monarchies with an Estates General, made up of onlu nobility and wealthy merchants?
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 19:10
What about an aboslute monarchies with an Estates General, made up of onlu nobility and wealthy merchants?

Going France on us Scand? Well, most monarchies were not absolute before the late 16th century. Most kings and queens still depended heavily on the nobility to support their reign, and the divine right of kings theory hadn't been developed yet. I'd say, for the most part, larger European nations would be feudal monarchies still. You could slowly develop into a full, absolute monarchy as time progresses.

As for the Estates General, they weren't created until later and really had no power. It was a title to be a member, nothing more. I believe, prior to the French Revolution the Estates General wasn't called for something like 130 years, correct? The only major European country with a representative body that held any power at all during the late 1400s was England's Parliament. But even then, it was still a fairly unimportant group and there was no law stating how often the king had to call Parliament. I believe some went through entire reigns without assembling Parliament once. If you would like to have a representative body, mostly made of the nobles/wealthy, go ahead. They probably wouldn't have much real power during this time period though.
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28-10-2007, 19:22
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28-10-2007, 19:26
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Bump for what? You know we're not doing factbooks here, right Mussle?
Mussleburgh
28-10-2007, 19:28
Yeah sorry got a bit bored. Again soz. :rolleyes:
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 19:32
Yeah sorry got a bit bored. Again soz. :rolleyes:

Haha, your little guy doesn't even come out right unless you click "quote."
Mussleburgh
28-10-2007, 19:47
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The Scandinvans
28-10-2007, 19:55
Going France on us Scand? Well, most monarchies were not absolute before the late 16th century. Most kings and queens still depended heavily on the nobility to support their reign, and the divine right of kings theory hadn't been developed yet. I'd say, for the most part, larger European nations would be feudal monarchies still. You could slowly develop into a full, absolute monarchy as time progresses.

As for the Estates General, they weren't created until later and really had no power. It was a title to be a member, nothing more. I believe, prior to the French Revolution the Estates General wasn't called for something like 130 years, correct? The only major European country with a representative body that held any power at all during the late 1400s was England's Parliament. But even then, it was still a fairly unimportant group and there was no law stating how often the king had to call Parliament. I believe some went through entire reigns without assembling Parliament once. If you would like to have a representative body, mostly made of the nobles/wealthy, go ahead. They probably wouldn't have much real power during this time period though.Wrong there as the Estates General can be a general term as their long have been councils of the most powerful people in the country for centuries.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 20:04
Wrong there as the Estates General can be a general term as their long have been councils of the most powerful people in the country for centuries.

Oh, I'm sorry, I heard absolute monarchy and Estates General in the same sentence and my mind immediately rushed to France. But the jist of what I said remains the same, most representative bodies in Europe during the late 15th century were just assemblies of the fabulously wealthy and the nobility. Although in a handful of places they had some power, the final say on almost every issue usually went to the king.
Bredford
28-10-2007, 20:24
Kingdom of Portugal

Total Population: 1 Million.

History: The Kingdom is country who had passed many hard times. in 1435 the 'Great Plague' hitted Portugal very strong, and killed over 400,000 citizens. since the great plague 'Fernando Naval Company' has enormus influence on the Kingdom.

Military: Portugal's army is formed mostly of the Royal Guard (10,000 men), after it there is the local forces of the nobles (4,000 men) and then there is the Royal Navy (1,000 men).

Economy: Portugal is a commerce nation and relies on trade and shipbuilding. It exports are mainly wine (Port and Madeira Wine), salt from Cape Verde, Corks, Fishes, Timber.

Fernando Naval Company: The company was founded by Fernando Henriques, the son of rich merchant. the company have enormus influence on the Kingdom, their navy is much larger then the Royal Navy (10,000 men), they have monopoly on the importing of Cape Verde salt and Madeira Wine to Portugal and their client company, Miguel Shipyards, is the largest ship-building company in Portugal.
Some say that the company, leaded by Fernando Henriques, is stronger then the king himself. some rumors even point out that Fernando even threatend to kill the king, unless he disbanded most of the Royal Navy (which he did). Now, the navy of Fernando Naval Company is fulfiling the targets of the Royal Navy, protecting trade routes and killing pirates but under the control of Fernando Henriques, who is (probably) the strongest man in Portugal.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 20:32
Kingdom of Portugal

Total Population: 1 Million.

History: The Kingdom is country who had passed many hard times. in 1435 the 'Great Plague' hitted Portugal very strong, and killed over 400,000 citizens. since the great plague 'Fernando Naval Company' has enormus influence on the Kingdom.

Military: Portugal's army is formed mostly of the Royal Guard (10,000 men), after it there is the local forces of the nobles (4,000 men) and then there is the Royal Navy (1,000 men).

Economy: Portugal is a commerce nation and relies on trade and shipbuilding. It exports are mainly wine (Port and Madeira Wine), salt from Cape Verde, Corks, Fishes, Timber.

Thanks Bredford, but we're not going to be doing histories or factbooks until we move off-site. Plus, I think everyone should know this, we're starting without any troops, you have to buy armies once we start. You can not have more than one army training at once, an army takes one RL day to build, make sure to keept track of your purchases and how long it takes for you to train them.

Also, once we do start making factbooks, I'd like to see a little bit more than this guys, c'mon.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 20:54
I know I've asked this before but a lot of people seem to be online right now so I'll ask it again: does anybody know of any good, free, easy-to-use, non-sketchy websites we can use to make our off-site forum?
Weccanfeld
28-10-2007, 22:39
Invision boards are pretty good, but I'm not very experienced in boards, so I can't really give you a professional opinion.
Antigonal
28-10-2007, 22:56
Invision boards are pretty good, but I'm not very experienced in boards, so I can't really give you a professional opinion.

I just opened a message board on Invisionfree. However, we can't start until we get a few more players. Lachenburg is now playing, I gave him Eastern Germany, part of the Czech Republic, and Western Poland. I'll update the map to include him later. We still need an Ottoman Empire, an India, a Japan, and I would really like to get some more European nations, preferably some people to play in the area of France or Spain. And Kansiov looks awful lonely in Eastern Europe, but that's secondary. So the more you invite, the sooner we can start. But don't take that too literally, for the sake of the RP, don't invite incompetent or inactive RPers please.
Ghassan
29-10-2007, 01:41
I'll snag France Antigonal.
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 02:43
I'll snag France Antigonal.

Ghassan to the rescue. I had given up hope you were coming. You're more than welcome to France.
The Scandinvans
29-10-2007, 02:56
By the way is a total population for my lands being about five million sound alright?
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 02:58
By the way is a total population for my lands being about five million sound alright?

Give or take, yeah. Maybe a bit less.
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 04:05
Map update...
Ghassan
29-10-2007, 04:07
Question Antigonal, along with France, can I grab some of northern Spain?
The Scandinvans
29-10-2007, 04:17
In light of Lachenburg's much large claim can I expand my own claim along Sweden's costal area along the Kattegatt region.
Weccanfeld
29-10-2007, 13:35
Could I just clear up something Anti, just about what land I have.

Venice - no
Milan - no
Naples - yes
Rome - yes
Messina - yes
Genoa - yes
Florence - yes
Turin - yes
Bologna - yes
Palermo - no

Is this correct?
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 14:06
Could I just clear up something Anti, just about what land I have.

Venice - no
Milan - no
Naples - yes
Rome - yes
Messina - yes
Genoa - yes
Florence - yes
Turin - yes
Bologna - yes
Palermo - no

Is this correct?

Perfect.
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 14:07
Question Antigonal, along with France, can I grab some of northern Spain?

A little bit, I may take some land away from Western France if I do.
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 14:11
In light of Lachenburg's much large claim can I expand my own claim along Sweden's costal area along the Kattegatt region.

Lachenburg's claim is large for several reasons. One, he is anEastern European empire (Eastern European empires may be larger than Western ones). Two, he has a continuous land empire, not a sea/coastal/island empire. Three, for lack of players in his area (a pivotal region in European history) I gave him more land to deal with all the duties of his area. This duty is to deal/interact with the Eastern Europeans, the Western Europeans, the Scandinavians, the Ottomans, ect. all at once.

That being said, I may increase your territory a bit into Kattegatt if you wish.
Kansiov
29-10-2007, 14:36
Sweden + Denmark + Norway is only around 2.1 million pop, even with finland, its most 2.7 million.
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 14:41
Sweden + Denmark + Norway is only around 2.1 million pop, even with finland, its most 2.7 million.

Yeah, but I'd only be giving him a tiny, tiny piece of Sweden.
Bredford
29-10-2007, 14:44
Antigonal, i am feeling a bit small (due to my 1 million population), is there any chance you could get Castille for me? (and perhaps Seville, too?)
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 14:59
Antigonal, i am feeling a bit small (due to my 1 million population), is there any chance you could get Castille for me? (and perhaps Seville, too?)

Ha! One million is luxurious for my humble empire...

Just kiddin', sure I'll give you some more land in Spain, I'm glad to see Iberia finally getting divided up...
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 15:13
Still looking for a Japan, India, and Ottoman Empire... c'mon guys, we need three more people before we can start.
Mussleburgh
29-10-2007, 20:48
Still looking for a Japan, India, and Ottoman Empire... c'mon guys, we need three more people before we can start.

I'm sorry I just don't know any one. :(
Antigonal
29-10-2007, 22:12
I'm sorry I just don't know any one. :(

I'm torn here, if I try and find three more people to recruit to play as advanced nations, I'm worried interest in this RP is gonna wane and will never get off the ground. If we start, we'll probably never get around to filling those positions, and the game would be dull without them (especially without the Ottoman replica).

Currently I'm still trying to figure out Invisionfree, Lachenburg has been walking me through it but he hasn't been on yet today to gimme a hand. If I do decide to go ahead and start without getting the three remaining advanced players, and recruit them later as we go along, I could probably have us up and running by Wednesday (Hallow's Eve ;)). But like I said before, if we're going to start and plan to recruit the advanced players later, we need to stay on top of it.

Does this compromise sound fair: we start Wednesday as long as we can get someone to play the Ottoman Empire before then. Once we get off, we can't stop looking for new competent and active RPers to fill the spots of India and Japan. If you guys agree to those terms, and are willing to try and find someone to play the Turks by Wednesday, I'd be willing to start. Sound good to everyone?
Bredford
29-10-2007, 22:29
I'm torn here, if I try and find three more people to recruit to play as advanced nations, I'm worried interest in this RP is gonna wane and will never get off the ground. If we start, we'll probably never get around to filling those positions, and the game would be dull without them (especially without the Ottoman replica).

Currently I'm still trying to figure out Invisionfree, Lachenburg has been walking me through it but he hasn't been on yet today to gimme a hand. If I do decide to go ahead and start without getting the three remaining advanced players, and recruit them later as we go along, I could probably have us up and running by Wednesday (Hallow's Eve ;)). But like I said before, if we're going to start and plan to recruit the advanced players later, we need to stay on top of it.

Does this compromise sound fair: we start Wednesday as long as we can get someone to play the Ottoman Empire before then. Once we get off, we can't stop looking for new competent and active RPers to fill the spots of India and Japan. If you guys agree to those terms, and are willing to try and find someone to play the Turks by Wednesday, I'd be willing to start. Sound good to everyone?

Sounds good.
New Brittonia
30-10-2007, 03:36
I'm inviting some guys
Antigonal
30-10-2007, 03:54
I'm inviting some guys

Haha, the whole time I was saying "guys, invite people", I was mainly addressing you and Scand. I too invited some people (two to be exact).

Okay guys, just two things I left out in the rules. One, our nations start with no armies or navies. You have to build them once we start. You can build ten galleons at a time and one army (Medieval OR Modern). They each take one day to build. Keep track of when you start building things, failure to do so is very serious.

Two, on top of getting your merchant percentages thing (I forgot the acronym, I should probably know it off-hand as the thread founder :rolleyes:), you will also be getting an NHP (national happiness percentage), your NHP goes up during times of prosperity, decreased military spending (military spending includes maintaining a standing army) and extended periods of peace. It is decreased by wars, famines, ect. If your NHP falls below 40%, there will be some sort of civil disorder in the form of an event. Even if it is below 65 or 70%, you're still very likely to have serious civil issues.
New Brittonia
30-10-2007, 03:59
Haha, the whole time I was saying "guys, invite people", I was mainly addressing you and Scand. I too invited some people (two to be exact).

Okay guys, just two things I left out in the rules. One, our nations start with no armies or navies. You have to build them once we start. You can build ten galleons at a time and one army (Medieval OR Modern). They each take one day to build. Keep track of when you start building things, failure to do so is very serious.

Two, on top of getting your merchant percentages thing (I forgot the acronym, I should probably know it off-hand as the thread founder :rolleyes:), you will also be getting an NHP (national happiness percentage), your NHP goes up during times of prosperity, decreased military spending (military spending includes maintaining a standing army) and extended periods of peace. It is decreased by wars, famines, ect. If your NHP falls below 40%, there will be some sort of civil disorder in the form of an event. Even if it is below 65 or 70%, you're still very likely to have serious civil issues.


wooh, it is gonna have the percentages

i too invited two people to come to this thread.
Mussleburgh
30-10-2007, 21:20
*Rushes in to the thread."I won't let this thread die yet!"Girls swoon while I give it CPR. Thread wakes up coughing.

"Doctor you saved my life how can I thank you?"

I smile cheesy grin "Well you could sleep with me."*

ANYWAY!!! The point is this thread is dying(I think:p) and it's time has not yet come!
Antigonal
30-10-2007, 21:27
*Rushes in to the thread."I won't let this thread die yet!"Girls swoon while I give it CPR. Thread wakes up coughing.

"Doctor you saved my life how can I thank you?"

I smile cheesy grin "Well you could sleep with me."*

ANYWAY!!! The point is this thread is dying(I think:p) and it's time has not yet come!

Lemme clarify something, this thread is NOT dying. There just isn't much for anyone to do 'cause this thread is only for claiming and stating rules. I am trying to get this RP off-site by tomorrow afternoon, but we still need someone to play the Ottoman Empire replica. I am also struggling with figuring out Invisionfree message boards. Anyone else have some experience with Invisionfree or other forums?
New Brittonia
30-10-2007, 21:53
No... becides, its invite only so how can it die
Antigonal
30-10-2007, 21:55
No... becides, its invite only so how can it die

Exactly NB.

EDIT: By the way all, Lachenburg and I have got the off-site forum up and running. Well... it was mostly Lachenburg actually, but either way, it's off the ground now. I need another day to hammer out the details on the site, but as long as we can find an Ottoman Empire by tomorrow afternoon, I'm ready to get started. Keep looking, I don't want to delay this anymore.

By the way guys, I don't want people starting their histories or factbooks until Thursday, even though we're opening on Wednesday (hopefully). This is for a variety of reasons I don't wanna get into. You will also be responsible to start a "Finance Sheet", this is where you keep track of your merchant income and expendiatures. Failure to stay on top of that will lead to expulsion.
Pyschotika
31-10-2007, 03:49
Not like I talked to you about this before..

and..

Not like my specialty is Japan anyways...
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 04:13
Not like I talked to you about this before..

and..

Not like my specialty is Japan anyways...

I TGed you last night inviting you. Sorry to hastle you man, I needed recommendations to invite people. No hard feelings. You can have Japan if you want, I would prefer if you took the Ottoman Empire replica, but I won't force you. The only thing I am making new players do is choose from one of the three advanced nations. I gotta go now, but post back and we'll see if we can set something up. We're going off-site tomorrow, provided we can get an Ottoman Empire replica by then...
The New True Cross
31-10-2007, 05:31
NB invited me and I'd love to take the Ottomans. If you have any questions about my RPing ability, coz I am sort of a noob, talk to New Brittonia. I am new but I really have the hang of this, and this era is right up my alley, as I am taking two classes on Middle Eastern history right now. So if that all works out I'll take Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt?
If you need further proof of my ability to RP TG me and I will send you some links to threads I have started.
Ghassan
31-10-2007, 05:55
Things seem to be working out, we finally have a world that is filling out!
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 12:34
NB invited me and I'd love to take the Ottomans. If you have any questions about my RPing ability, coz I am sort of a noob, talk to New Brittonia. I am new but I really have the hang of this, and this era is right up my alley, as I am taking two classes on Middle Eastern history right now. So if that all works out I'll take Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt?
If you need further proof of my ability to RP TG me and I will send you some links to threads I have started.

Fantastic! A friend of NB is a friend of ours, I don't need any proof. I'm gonna give a fairly large empire, the Balkans, the Crymea, Eygpt, a good chunk of North Africa, the Near East, part of the Arab Pen., and Anatolia. We're heading off-site later today, if you can become accquainted with the rules by then, we should be good. I'll update the map when I get access to my desktop and include you and all the new changes.

Pyschotika, do you want to RP Japan?
Bredford
31-10-2007, 13:17
It seems we are filled, then.
Ghassan
31-10-2007, 15:41
This is getting better and better, and soon, we shall have our own place to roleplay.
The New True Cross
31-10-2007, 15:57
Fantastic! A friend of NB is a friend of ours, I don't need any proof. I'm gonna give a fairly large empire, the Balkans, the Crymea, Eygpt, a good chunk of North Africa, the Near East, part of the Arab Pen., and Anatolia. We're heading off-site later today, if you can become accquainted with the rules by then, we should be good. I'll update the map when I get access to my desktop and include you and all the new changes.

Pyschotika, do you want to RP Japan?

I read all the rules last night before posting, just to see what I was getting myself into, and if there is one thing I can promise, it is that I will NOT post any history, fact book, military, economy, or any other information until we get off-site. :p
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 16:56
I read all the rules last night before posting, just to see what I was getting myself into, and if there is one thing I can promise, it is that I will NOT post any history, fact book, military, economy, or any other information until we get off-site. :p

Haha, you catch on fast.
The New True Cross
31-10-2007, 17:02
Well I figured you posted it in your first thread and then fifty times later after telling people off, I figured you were getting kind of bored of saying it over and over again.
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 17:15
Well I figured you posted it in your first thread and then fifty times later after telling people off, I figured you were getting kind of bored of saying it over and over again.

Yep, I sure was. We're actually not going to start them until tomorrow now, even though we'll be going off-site later today.

I will link the off-site forum here in three or four hours, I'm kinda busy and I'm still working out the details. Keep posted all and I'll link it here soon.
Pyschotika
31-10-2007, 17:52
I TGed you last night inviting you. Sorry to hastle you man, I needed recommendations to invite people. No hard feelings. You can have Japan if you want, I would prefer if you took the Ottoman Empire replica, but I won't force you. The only thing I am making new players do is choose from one of the three advanced nations. I gotta go now, but post back and we'll see if we can set something up. We're going off-site tomorrow, provided we can get an Ottoman Empire replica by then...

No problem, lol..I felt bad after that post because it seemed sort of..ass-ish.

Anyways, yea..I love RPing Japan, and I wouldn't mind trying something new..I mean, I could do the Ottoman Empire, but I'm still thinking...

I like to think of Age of Empires III Possibilities when it comes to the Ottomans, and I'm not sure if everyone is a fan of the Ottomans trying to hold Colonies..so yea.

BTW - Were you talking to me about the TG? Because I didn't get one :-/.
Pyschotika
31-10-2007, 17:54
Fantastic! A friend of NB is a friend of ours, I don't need any proof. I'm gonna give a fairly large empire, the Balkans, the Crymea, Eygpt, a good chunk of North Africa, the Near East, part of the Arab Pen., and Anatolia. We're heading off-site later today, if you can become accquainted with the rules by then, we should be good. I'll update the map when I get access to my desktop and include you and all the new changes.

Pyschotika, do you want to RP Japan?

Just saw this post, sorry a bit flustered with some things out side of the interweb's world :-P..

But yea, then I suppose it's set..

I'd like to RP Japan, yes.
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 18:37
Great, almost all positions are filled now. Everyone, just because we're moving off-site, don't forget to keep recommending good RPers. We still need someone for the India advanced nation position.
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 18:56
And here, at long last, is the new, Invisionfree message board. I'm very excited and look forward to a good RP. IC can start as soon as your factbook, history (which should be on your factbook), and finance sheets have been approved and I've given you your TMI and NHP. You cannot begin working on these until tomorrow and must be done quickly. Everyone should make an account for Invisionfree if they haven't already, please use your NS name of convenience. Thank you and let's get goin.

Earth 1492 Off-Site Forum: http://z3.invisionfree.com/Earth_1492/index.php?&act=idx
Bredford
31-10-2007, 19:42
Antigonal, you promised me a larger part of Spain.
Mussleburgh
31-10-2007, 19:53
nd here, at long last, is the new, Invisionfree message board. I'm very excited and look forward to a good RP. IC can start as soon as your factbook, history (which should be on your factbook), and finance sheets have been approved and I've given you your TMI and NHP. You cannot begin working on these until tomorrow and must be done quickly. Everyone should make an account for Invisionfree if they haven't already, please use your NS name of convenience. Thank you and let's get goin.

Earth 1492 Off-Site Forum: http://z3.invisionfree.com/Earth_149...x.php?&act=idx

YAY!!! Sorry for my weird thing earlier I try to be funny to much. :(
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 21:20
Antigonal, you promised me a larger part of Spain.

I did, I promised you Castille if I remember correctly. And, being a man of my word, I gave you most of Castille. I just haven't updated the map in several days because I've been waiting for an Ottoman Empire to join. I'll do that tonight.
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 21:21
YAY!!! Sorry for my weird thing earlier I try to be funny to much. :(

No worries Mussle.
Bredford
31-10-2007, 22:00
I did, I promised you Castille if I remember correctly. And, being a man of my word, I gave you most of Castille. I just haven't updated the map in several days because I've been waiting for an Ottoman Empire to join. I'll do that tonight.

Thank you.
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 22:16
I updated the map and posted it on the IF (Invisionfree) board. I also posted it here but, let it be known, this will be the last time I update the NS thread's maps.

I know I changed the historical borders of the Ottoman Empire here and there, I'm sorry if its a bit incorrect. But it is an RP after all, this should help make it more interesting.
Angaor
31-10-2007, 22:54
so have we went offsite yet or what
Angaor
31-10-2007, 23:00
also whats the deal with Mercenaries
Bredford
31-10-2007, 23:01
so have we went offsite yet or what

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Earth_149...x.php?&act=idx
Angaor
31-10-2007, 23:04
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Earth_149...x.php?&act=idx

Something wrong with that link it wont work
Pyschotika
31-10-2007, 23:04
Something wrong with that link it wont work

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Earth_1492/index.php?act=idx
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 23:06
also whats the deal with Mercenaries

I may throw in some mercenary events, but for the time being, let's exclude them from the game.
Angaor
31-10-2007, 23:09
I may throw in some mercenary events, but for the time being, let's exclude them from the game.

Alright cause i want to use Mongol Cavalry
Antigonal
31-10-2007, 23:13
Alright cause i want to use Mongol Cavalry

If you own the area from which the mercenaries come, when you buy an army you can just say part of your cavalry division is that kind of soldier (in this case, Mongolian Cavalry).
Angaor
31-10-2007, 23:19
Alright