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P9 FX-01 NGATF Stealth "Protractor"

height: 15ft, 9in
length: 63ft, 6in
wing span: 39ft, 11 in
power plant: 2x augmented turbofans with thrust vectoring and hydrocarbon fuel. LOX and Water optional.
stealth: yes
Speed:
-Stealth Speed: Mach .7
-Fighter speed: Mach 2.6
armament: Internal weapon bays can be configured for almost any air-to-air or air-to-ground missiles attack missiles, including 10 AIM, or 9 AMRAAM. Can also carry electronic countermeasures.
Price: $95.5 Million
DPR Price: 9.23 Billion (negotiable)


Description:
The P9 FX-01 NGATF Stealth "Protractor" is the future of air-superiority. The Protractor began it's life when Ottomautics Weapons Inc. was contracted by Faxanavian Defense officials to build and design a replacement for their aging BF-11 Mudhen fighters. After two years of work and testing, Ottomautics scientists created the Protractor, and now it is ready to take to the skies.

The NGATF in the Protractor's title stands for Next Generation Tactical Fighter. And, it certainly is one. The Protractor utulizes variable-wing geometry to attain supersonic speeds of up to Mach 2.6. Canards are used as well for extra maneuverability in combat. The engines are two augumented turbo fans with thrust vectoring, using high performance jet fuel, and LOX and water on an optional inline tank, for when you need high speed or cooling. This is combined with supercruise and 3D thrust vectoring nozzles (intakes above for extra cargo space.) The Protractor is stealth coated for little to no RADAR recognition.

The Protractor is designed to support it's pilot, too. A smart heads up display only displays what is necesarry for the pilot, as well as warnings. It comes equipped with phased array tracking and targeting RADAR and fly by wire controls. It can even be modified to run recconaisance missions, if necesarry.

But, one must remember that this is a fighter jet. The internal weapons bays can fit basically any air-to-air or air-to-ground missiles, including 10 AIM or 9 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles. It is also capable of carrying electronic countermeasures when needed.

Rather expensive if you ask me.

After some research, it is rather expensive, and has received a substantial price drop.

Excellent, the Republic would like to purchase rights to manufacture this plane. What do you charge?

Excellent, the Republic would like to purchase rights to manufacture this plane. What do you charge?

We are willing to supply production rights to Shiloba for the grand total of 9.23 billion USD. However, this price is negotiable, and should you offer an acceptable counter-bid, we will entertain it.

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The Jingoistic States of New Umberland wish to purchase Production rights to the P9, and will pay the full 9.23 billion for them. Thankyou.

The Jingoistic States of New Umberland wish to purchase Production rights to the P9, and will pay the full 9.23 billion for them. Thankyou.

Approved. Thankyou for shopping with us, and we hope to do bussiness in the future.

Just so you know, canards and variable geometry wings are not good for stealth at all. The slits for the wings tend to reflect a LOT of radar about, and canards just kind of sit and reflect. There's a reason that none of the fast stealths are swing wing, and that swing wings aren't stealth.

Plus turbofan + supersonic=pain. Go turbojet, turbofans just get their blades ripped to shreds at that speed.

Just so you know, canards and variable geometry wings are not good for stealth at all. The slits for the wings tend to reflect a LOT of radar about, and canards just kind of sit and reflect. There's a reason that none of the fast stealths are swing wing, and that swing wings aren't stealth.

Plus turbofan + supersonic=pain. Go turbojet, turbofans just get their blades ripped to shreds at that speed.

Yes, but using a turbojet effectively means that I can only function well at high speeds. A turbo fan with inline water and oxygen is going to be able speeds up to mach 2.8 without fear of burnout.

The canards are for maneuvarbility. The VWG is just that- variable. It can be streamlined, or it can be in a different position and be stealth.

Official Greal Statement

The Greal military would like to buy the Production Rights for 9.23 billion. The Money will be wired upon confirmation.

signed,
Greal Defense Minister
Jason Park

Official Greal Statement

The Greal military would like to buy the Production Rights for 9.23 billion. The Money will be wired upon confirmation.

signed,
Greal Defense Minister
Jason Park

Thankyou. Your order has been approved. The total comes to 9.23 billion. We hope to do bussiness in the future.

Yes, but using a turbojet effectively means that I can only function well at high speeds. A turbo fan with inline water and oxygen is going to be able speeds up to mach 2.8 without fear of burnout.

The canards are for maneuvarbility. The VWG is just that- variable. It can be streamlined, or it can be in a different position and be stealth.

No, the whole swing wing mechanism is incompatible with stealth. The slots for the wings and the pivoting mechanism make your RCS lulzy huge, as does the interaction between the tailplane and the main wing when swept. Tis why they don't make swing wing stealth aircraft.

Turbojets function well above Mach 2, but since you want to go over Mach 2 and presumably stay there for a reasonable time frame, going to afterburners with ye olde turbofan is probably a bad idea.

And how in the world is water and Liquid Oxygen going to do anything other than take up space and weight? They tried putting oxygen on the SR-71, doesn't work too well.

EDIT: http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php? take your design there and show it. (It's a consortium of some of the biggest military nerds on NS) But I'm willing to bet that they will tell you the same thing.

No, the whole swing wing mechanism is incompatible with stealth. The slots for the wings and the pivoting mechanism make your RCS lulzy huge, as does the interaction between the tailplane and the main wing when swept. Tis why they don't make swing wing stealth aircraft.

Turbojets function well above Mach 2, but since you want to go over Mach 2 and presumably stay there for a reasonable time frame, going to afterburners with ye olde turbofan is probably a bad idea.

And how in the world is water and Liquid Oxygen going to do anything other than take up space and weight? They tried putting oxygen on the SR-71, doesn't work too well.

EDIT: http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php? take your design there and show it. (It's a consortium of some of the biggest military nerds on NS) But I'm willing to bet that they will tell you the same thing.

Actually, if you'd done some exploring, you'd discover that I'd already run it by NSdraft, and that they are majorly responsible for what it is. Check out the thread here (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1064&st=0), and tell me what you think of their arguments.

Ah, that's right, the guy with the J-58 knockoff engines. Sorry, so many people go through there I forget sometimes.

Incidently, yes, the A-12/SR-71 did indeed have a plan for oxygen, but they found that the LARGE tanks needed were incompatible with a stealthy supersonic shape. They just couldn't fit, unless you built the whole airplane around them, and you're already building the airplane around the engines to get that speed.

IMO Hurtful Thoughts was wrong in that instance. Water is bad to throw in engines as it hates combustion and is REALLY heavy. Listen to Sumer, he's excessively knowledgeable about this stuff.

EDIT: upon research, the F-14 and F-15 both ran on turbofans interestingly. However, both only sprinted supersonic while using afterburners, neither were stealthy at all, and both sucked fuel like mad up there. So you'd have to do sprints supersonic with that type of layout.

Yep. That was me :).

So maybe drop the water and go straight oxygen? I want to stick with oxygen, because it will really push the high speed and maximum operational altitude.

I truly want to stick with Turbofans, because turbojets are basically useless at low speeds. They're okay at high speeds, but turbofans are good at a variety of speeds.

Ehh... I think oxygen is too much weight because of the huge weight and cooler requirements....

Ehh... I think oxygen is too much weight because of the huge weight and cooler requirements....

Based upon the sheer size, and the smaller size of the cargo bay, combined with the fact that the engines are mounted on top, I'd say I have enough room.

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