NationStates Jolt Archive

A Map

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff41/838millionman/MapMap-1.jpg?t=1191808194

Yellow are foreign countries.
Red is Sasha city
Green is Womer city
Orange is Hurtly city

Geography

Climate

In the north the temperature goes to - 18 C, In the east, it usually rains alot win the Fall and Spring. The west barely has any rain, but in the sumer, a occasion hurricane comes along. The south's temperature can go up to 38 C in the summer, dropping back down to 20 C during the winter.

Terrain

The North is covered with high massiive mountains going up to 30,000 feet or more, making it very harsh to fly over or walk through. The East coast has very high cliffs. All big rivers run through the west. The western coast is mostly flat and has beautiful beaches.

Greal's Defences

Beach Defenses

On the Eastern coast are thousands of massive coast guns. There are also missile batteries at all coast guns to protect them from air attack. The eastern coast is completely fortified. The West coast, also has highly fortified defences, but the west coast was to be protected by the Greal navy. There are millions of mines on the beaches marked for people, but druing war time, the marks are removed.

Defensive Lines

Greal has 2 Defensive lines in the east, while Sasha has 2 defensive lines itself. The Defensive lines are also highly fortified, and has thousands of missile batteries to protect them from air attack. There is only one defensive line in the west, but that one was the strongest of all Greal Defensive Lines.

Other Defenses

Greal is currently constructing a anti-nuclear system.

Other Things you need to know

The Dark Tunnel

Greal has a massive tunnel system that connects every city. the tunnel system has a Underground Maglev system for moving troops and supplies around. The tunnel system has rooms everywhere thay stores weapons and supplies.

The Emergency Room

Under Lake Rummer, is a massive rooms, which has more supplies then anywhere else in Greal combined. the Government usually goes there during invasions. The Room is connect to the Dark Tunnel system.

Military

Infranty rifles, pistols, snipers

AR-13 K3 Liberators
M16
T91
FAMAS
AK-74 (Not many left now.)
Hell fire assault rifle (coming soon.)Glock (All kinds)
Greal TY-1 light support weapon
M40 sniper rifle
M24 Sniper Weapon System
R-1 Battle rifle
M/A-206 Machine Guns
Painkiller Shotgun
Crass Shotgun
M-B7 Barret
MG-7 Hell-Raiser


Tanks and Vehicles

M-43 Diablo Main Battle Tank
Nakil tank (upgraded)
Behemoth III
SOL T-62
SOL Iron Curtian
SOL T-90 (Coming soon)
Humvee
M200 Desolator
MA-3 Wolverine
Legionnaire
Watchman - 3
LY219 "Ironheart" Armoured Multirole Tactical Vehicle
SOL G-27 "Speeder"
LY4 Wolfhound MBT
Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck
Earth II/IIIs
Kraker tanks
Cyclops ULV
Watchman
MH-1 Annihilator
Blitz Fighting Vehicle
Defender
M65/l Asteroid
MH-67 Hulk
M998 HMMWV Humvee
M101 Advancer
Legionnaire S-15
Tiger MBT
Behemoth II HBT
Impact MLRS
Bull Warrior
MBT-8 Beast tanks
XM1087 Expandable Van
M4 Command and Control Vehicle
XM104 Wolverine
M981 Fire Support Team Vehicle
M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
M6 Bradley Linebacker
M3A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle Systems
M113A1 Armored Personnel Carrier
Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank
M3A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle Systems
M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank
MCA-7E MBT
PIV-28 Armoured Infantry Vehicle


Anti-aircraft and other systems

LY220 Shepherd Modular Short-to-Medium Range Anti-Aircraft System
Sentinel SAM Launcher
Hell Fire SAM launchers (Greal)
LY300 Multiple Rocket System

Aircraft and Helicopters

SOL GNC-21 "Shark"
F-22 raptor
F-76
F-65 (naval version of F-76)
MiG- 31 (Very few left)
B-54 Night Falcon
B-3 Nightrider
Euro typhoon fighter
A-4 Tornado
AH-1 Super Cobra
Mi-24 Hind
AH-23 Black Panther
C-57 Galaxy Lifter
E-5 Networker
FB-22 Strike Raptor
F-44 Interceptor (DMG)
F-16C Fighting Falcons
TRA-92 "Eiko" Light Attack Helicopter
SOL GNC-22 (Viper)
F-21A/C/T "SparrowHawk"
B-52 Stratofortress
Black Panther Helicopter
A-7 Wraith
F-19 Knight
F-88 Ghost
P22 AF-17 Mudhen


Naval Forces

SuperDreadnoughts or other super ships

2 Angstrom Class Aircraft Carriers
5 SDC-4 Overlord Class Trimaran Super Dreadnaughts
2 Hasley class super dreadnoughts
5 Argentine class Galleons
1 Feathermore Super Dreadnought


Carriers and battleships

CVO-1 Quickbreaker Class carriers( Sources state 200, but I don't know)
Greal Iowa Class battleship: 10
Nimitz Class Carrier: 20
Champion class Carriers: 100
Lord Class battleship: 150
Poseidon Class Submarine Carrier (3, according to DMG)
Derelict Class Submarine Carriers (30, according to the DMG thread)
Empire Class (170, most are being scrapped)
Pulse Class Stealth Carriers (100?)
Orca Class Battleship (12)
Chieftain Class Pocket Battleship (30)
Admiral Class Carrier (12)



Destoryers

Flank Class Destroyers (24)
Search Class Destroyers (60)
Dragon class (1800 I think, I bought alot.)
Zumwalt class (less then 1000)
Sentry Class (???)
Vangaurd class (500 ??)
Type 07 Aviso (1600 according to the thread)
Jill class (100)
Flank Class Destroyer (24)

Other types of ships

Sword Class Corvettes
Sprint Class Powerboat
Demon Class Insertion Craft
Shadow Class ship (Stealth)
LC-2 Intruder Class Landing Craft
Valkyrie Class Helicopter Assault Carrier
Seawolf submarine
Hunter Class Submarine
Nautilus Class Submarine
Dolphin Class Submarine
Stingray Class Cruiser (44)
Thunder Class Cruiser

occ: come now, even a 4 year old could draw better than that...:p

occ: come now, even a 4 year old could draw better than that...:p

sorry, the computer is giving me trouble.

Congrats for stealing my ideas. Good job!

Congrats for stealing my ideas. Good job!

It's not like an underground storehouse and transit system is very novel.

Congrats for stealing my ideas. Good job!

which ideas? The tunnel system I got from Cazelia. The maglev system I got from a newspaper clip. (I figured that Greal might run out of power, so I used the Maglev instead.)

bump for viewing, though comments welcomed.

I'm happy to redo that map for you, if you like...

I accpet the offer, I hope it won't be too much trouble.

Imperial Advisors scramble over a hidden parchment wielding blobs of paint and speckles of color, and wonder over its purpose before looking at the label 'Invaders Guide to Invading Greal' - they cried in vain: "Oh the Heavens favor no one when invading them!"

(ooc: what's with setting up an invader's guide? do you want people to start spilling your blood?)

Imperial Advisors scramble over a hidden parchment wielding blobs of paint and speckles of color, and wonder over its purpose before looking at the label 'Invaders Guide to Invading Greal' - they cried in vain: "Oh the Heavens favor no one when invading them!"

(ooc: what's with setting up an invader's guide? do you want people to start spilling your blood?)

OOC: Well, I thought it would be interesting for people to see what Greal looks like, no one has attempted a invasion of Greal in 6 months, so I just built up my defenses.

Question? Where did you get the manpower for such a large fleet?

You should have, based on what I have seen, 1,000 ships for every 1,000,000,000 people. You have way more than that, not counting your carriers evidently.

Secondly, you can't have more than 2% of your population in the Armed Forces without serious effects to your economy. Therefore, having 200 Nimitz (3,200 Crew, 2,500 Air Crew), 5 Overlords (10,000 Crew), 50 Iowas (1,800), 250 Lords (4,000)

Nimitz = 1,140,000
Overlords = 50,000
Iowas = 9,000
Lords = 1,000,000

F.Y.I.: You can have around 20,000,000 in your military. 39% will be Non-Combatants, which gives you 12,200,000 soldiers. Then, as you get into the three branches, there is typically a 45-30-25 breakdown of forces.

Now this would give you
5,490,000 Army
3,660,000 Air Force
3,050,000 Navy

Now, on top of the above, you have to remove a further 39 percent for Non-Combat at the branch level.
3,348,900 Army
2,232,600 Air Force
1,860,500 Navy

So therefore, your navy is way too large. You can't even support that number of vessels without destroying your economy. Besides, it would leave you completely unarmed against land invasions.

That 2/5% thing is nonsense, and I wonder even now how and why it got so accepted. It requires conscription and a realization that your troops will not be comparatively (to other volunteer armies) very motivated or have a very strong esprit de corps, but you can very well have a gross total of 100 soldiers (including paramilitary, reserve and active) for every 1000 civilians in peacetime. South Korea (10%) does it very well, as does the ROC (8.5%), and both have very good per-capita ratios.

Both also have axes hanging over their country's neck, but it is not hard to find an analogy for II. You might declare the CA to be your dire enemy, or ACID, or UFAN (maybe), or the Soviet Commonwealth, or or or or or. The list of alliances which wield hammers to crush you with can probably fill a list longer than my arm, and they're all more likely than the PRC to come crashing into your door, regardless of what analogy to the United States you have as an ally.

For purely active troops in peacetime, it's much lower, and close to what the 'norm' is. South Korea currently operates about 1.4% of its population in active troops, while the ROC has just a little over 1.6% of its population as active troops. Given that their situations are not likely to change without a world war, which would not be true if they were to exist here...well, there you are. If they did exist here, in this substantially more hostile environment, you can bet their active troops would be closer to 2% or something like.

EDIT: Just so you know, TAP, the Country infobox on Wikia isn't working right now. I have to pester Angela at some point as to why tidy_HTML isn't installing on Wikia the way it should. Failing that, I'll just have to do without (I've made a temporary solution in a purely HTML and non-templated format at User:Blast/infobox (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/User:Blast/infobox)).

That 2/5% thing is nonsense, and I wonder even now how and why it got so accepted. It requires conscription and a realization that your troops will not be comparatively (to other volunteer armies) very motivated or have a very strong esprit de corps, but you can very well have a gross total of 100 soldiers (including paramilitary, reserve and active) for every 1000 civilians in peacetime. South Korea (10%) does it very well, as does the ROC (8.5%), and both have very good per-capita ratios.

Both also have axes hanging over their country's neck, but it is not hard to find an analogy for II. You might declare the CA to be your dire enemy, or ACID, or UFAN (maybe), or the Soviet Commonwealth, or or or or or. The list of alliances which wield hammers to crush you with can probably fill a list longer than my arm, and they're all more likely than the PRC to come crashing into your door, regardless of what analogy to the United States you have as an ally.

For purely active troops in peacetime, it's much lower, and close to what the 'norm' is. South Korea currently operates about 1.4% of its population in active troops, while the ROC has just a little over 1.6% of its population as active troops. Given that their situations are not likely to change without a world war, which would not be true if they were to exist here...well, there you are. If they did exist here, in this substantially more hostile environment, you can bet their active troops would be closer to 2% or something like.

EDIT: Just so you know, TAP, the Country infobox on Wikia isn't working right now. I have to pester Angela at some point as to why tidy_HTML isn't installing on Wikia the way it should. Failing that, I'll just have to do without (I've made a temporary solution in a purely HTML and non-templated format at User:Blast/infobox (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/User:Blast/infobox)).

Thanks for the update with the wikia. I am going to check How to Make War for a good percent, and adjust mine accordingly.

EDIT: Okay, Mr. David agrees on the 2% for active forces, though he would criticise the way you have put your military together Greal, especially your navy. If you crowd all of your forces on Carriers, you make it easier for guys with good subs to sneak in and wipe them out. I would go through, use the 1,000 Capital/1,000,000,000 ratio, and figure out your forces based on the following ratio.

Carriers 3.3%
Cruisers 5.9%
Destroyers 21.6%
Frigates 23.1%
Corvettes 1.3%
Patrol Forces 4.8%
Landing Ship Tank 4.1%
Landing Ship Dock 3.1%
Landing Platform Dock 5.1%
Command Ship .4%
Helo Carriers 3.1%
Mine Warfare Ships 2.6%
Ballistic Missile Subs 7.6%
Attack Subs 14%

Note: The above is based off of the US navy, and is the ratio that I use. Also, remember, that out of the NAVY figure, you need to multiply it by .8 to get the actual number of shipmen.

OOC: I've overstated the battleships a little, I haven't even posted the number of destroyers I have.

That 2/5% thing is nonsense, and I wonder even now how and why it got so accepted. It requires conscription and a realization that your troops will not be comparatively (to other volunteer armies) very motivated or have a very strong esprit de corps, but you can very well have a gross total of 100 soldiers (including paramilitary, reserve and active) for every 1000 civilians in peacetime. South Korea (10%) does it very well, as does the ROC (8.5%), and both have very good per-capita ratios.

Both also have axes hanging over their country's neck, but it is not hard to find an analogy for II. You might declare the CA to be your dire enemy, or ACID, or UFAN (maybe), or the Soviet Commonwealth, or or or or or. The list of alliances which wield hammers to crush you with can probably fill a list longer than my arm, and they're all more likely than the PRC to come crashing into your door, regardless of what analogy to the United States you have as an ally.

For purely active troops in peacetime, it's much lower, and close to what the 'norm' is. South Korea currently operates about 1.4% of its population in active troops, while the ROC has just a little over 1.6% of its population as active troops. Given that their situations are not likely to change without a world war, which would not be true if they were to exist here...well, there you are. If they did exist here, in this substantially more hostile environment, you can bet their active troops would be closer to 2% or something like.

EDIT: Just so you know, TAP, the Country infobox on Wikia isn't working right now. I have to pester Angela at some point as to why tidy_HTML isn't installing on Wikia the way it should. Failing that, I'll just have to do without (I've made a temporary solution in a purely HTML and non-templated format at User:Blast/infobox (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/User:Blast/infobox)).

Actually, 0.9% of my population is in the active army, but since war is going to start soon, my army will grow pretty big......

I personally have 4.5% in active service at any given time, and during war I can quickly raise it, as everybody in my nation has done military training to the standard of the average soldier in many other nations. But I guess my nation is almost like a machine in how the people are organized, Super commune power!!!!

Uh.... the B-3 is a biplane bomber from WWI.

Otherwise, try squeezing some infantry weapons out. I only have 4 assault rifles in service, HK 416, M16A4, M4E, and the BAR-2. If you have the AK, the '16, the 4, the G3, the 36, SCAR, XM8, etc. etc., you're gonna need to cross-train often, and it is a pain in the ass.

Uh.... the B-3 is a biplane bomber from WWI.

Otherwise, try squeezing some infantry weapons out. I only have 4 assault rifles in service, HK 416, M16A4, M4E, and the BAR-2. If you have the AK, the '16, the 4, the G3, the 36, SCAR, XM8, etc. etc., you're gonna need to cross-train often, and it is a pain in the ass.

The B-3? what B-3?

I do try doing that, most of the AKs are in storage. Along with thousands of tanks and fighters...

The B-3? what B-3?

I do try doing that, most of the AKs are in storage. Along with thousands of tanks and fighters...


Quit trying to boast your might, when the only reason your still sovergin is because you try and get into every allaince you can, then pull stuff that makes people a lot bigger than you mad and you fall back on 4 large allainces to defend you. It also makes you look like your compensating for something.

Quit trying to boast your might, when the only reason your still sovergin is because you try and get into every allaince you can, then pull stuff that makes people a lot bigger than you mad and you fall back on 4 large allainces to defend you. It also makes you look like your compensating for something.

I'm not trying to by big or anything, I'm smaller then most countries anyway, including you....,:sniper:

And I'm in a lot of alliances anyway, I already got a couple of my side.