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OP:WM has so far been a while in coming OOCly.

IC thread UP
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539994

So, before the IC starts, it would probly be best to see who's coming:

Leafanistani Mafia (sent 1 million Slave Warriors that he would maybe want to RP)
Maldorians (Involved a few divisions)
Phalynx (Also involved)
Antigr (on Bounding overwatch)
Myself as FPM, HOI and PROHT (the factions that keep things moving)
TWSP (I invited him just to prove TWSP, Khornate Tribes, PROHT, Undershi, Maldorians, the CA, ADAN, and the SL have no hard feelings)

Anybody that had anything at all to do with the Khornate Tribes invasion.

Anybody that had anything to do with the Five Point Mafia. (adds stressing)
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Any questions before this gets started next week?

Count me in; confused but in... <: (

Quoting from:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/ADAN/index.php?showtopic=180
Pretty straighforward.

My FPM faction (Five Points Mafia) is getting to have an armed forces sizable enough to take and hold a city, and is threatening the rather fragile peace in the little colony myself and some CA 'buddies' carved out for themselves.

Also, by coincedence, I have amassed about 5 million Leafanistani (I'll never get used to that spelling) mercenaries to give advanced training on some common ground between the CA, myself and ADAN.

At first, it was considered that OP:WM was to be held in Maladorians, since it is a member of both ADAN and CA.

But then Mal got himself into some war involving his CA buddies and another alliance that don't like CA too much.

So now I had 5 million troops on CA payroll loaded onto boats with nothing to do, and I didn't want to default on my agreement with Leaf...

This is the 'official' line, so don't go flapping your mouth if you heard otherwise from me.

Earleir message to Maldorians: (sometime around early august of 2007)
Just a little favor to ask.

Our past 'combat excercise' "Operation: Able Maple" which was a simulated invasion of an island outpost of New Roanoke Island Proving ground and a simulation of our Rapid response readines.

Turnout wasn't that great, and was, what, in part, led to my decision to eject the majority of ADAN.

And, since ADAN still isn't willing to go to war with anyone, plus many people may still think there are latent hostilities between myself and the Corprate Alliance.

I decided to 'kill two birds with one stone', in a sense.

The idea is simple, All of Leafansi's unemployed goons and and my HOI-R are to be 'put through their paces' by the HMR (Hurtian Marine Resserve) 3rd Division.

At the end of the excersise, all of Leafansi's goons will be re-shelved for sale as elite soldiers, my HOI mercs will have dispelled their rumurs of being closet Blood Kultists, and all relations between ADAN, CA, HOI, yourself, and Blackhelm Confederacy shall be patched up.

It would also encourage more members into both ranks, plus get the attention of the CA to bring them 'on par' with more organized alliances.

Plus, it would 'show off your diplomacy skillz' to Blackhelm, maybe get you a promotion or something when he goes out for a weekend.

Oh, and since your nation is the 'bridge' between CA and ADAN, I thought it most fitting that you host the operation.

Right now, you are on fairly thin ice with ADAN, so a show of solidarity about this time would be nice.

Later corispondance:
Ok, so I guess we have to explain it here:

-By Leafansi goons do you mean Leafanistan's Red Mafia because his Mafia is part of the CA, not his government.

-When do you want me to host it?

-And some other small details that you can give
That or in the Cbox at the bottom of the screen...

Well, only his red Mafia run Universal exports.... and they they only ones to sell 'goons', slaves, cohorts, and whores.

Anytime you feel ready

I was considering the idea of exploiting the Leafansi "Pain chip", except, instead of usng a numbered keypad, to make it more 'point and click' on a gun barrel attachment.

This should also be talked about in the open under 'operations'

Now add to this the fact that Undershi sold his interests in TKT for a mere $200 billion to the FPM... Plus rumurs of them procuring large quantities of nuclear weapons... Making the situation ever more volatile.

Later corrispondance between myself and Mal was strictly OOC.

This thread may throw Blackhelm a bit off balance, so BC (What with me being nice and everything), please remain seated until the thread comes to a complete stop.

I am also, not responsable for any damage you may do to your own computer as a resault of reading the IC thread. So leaf, no punching the keyboard and/or monitor...

Wanderjar, TPF, try keeping laughter to a minimum.

Mal seems to be in a slight state of shock that this thread made it this far before dying.
(ADAN, CA, and training generally don't go together very well)
Though I should remind Mal, that since this is training, he should try to get the full benifit and train some halfway decent SFs and assassins before he tries anything crazy with TWSP...

And TWSP, you are here to prove how peaceful you are, not to go guns blazing at the first mercenary... Pick your targets.
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Location will be the Maldorian sector of TKT in order to avoid contact with FPM.

I may have to notify Crookfur and Toops though...

So, what do I have to do?

I was hoping you'd send troops that only knew the official line, along with your SFs issued the 'supplementary line' and briefing.

The rest would pretty much go by ear and feel with a very loose order of events.

In the begining of the IC, I was looking for an intro similar to the TWSP SF one, considering Mal wants some halfway decent assasins, spies and other special forces for some unknown reason. This is also the excuse for someone to take Mal away from a 'probationary' membership -and hopefully give him a full one- afterwards.

The Leafanistani [Red Tides?] Mafia also wants some well trained shock troops and such that answer to his 'pain chip'. So I have 1 million of them lying about someplace.

You, well, your thread never really finished. This is, in a way, an extension, the 'overseas operation' bit. (So 24 hours turned into 12 years... meh... I blame it upon the untimely cripplings, deaths, and promotions of your instructors) -Mendez lost his legs, Gumbal was shot, and Gorby got promoted and is in cotrol of one of my Marine Raider Battalions...

If you want, you can even try training Mal and Phylanx...

Me? I just do whatever it is I do best here.

But unlike your training program TWSP, this will be done in te open to the full scrutiny of the CA, ADAN, and maybe anone else with a pair of eyes on The Khornate Tribes... So, if yuo wanna do something you don't wanna be seen doing, do it carefully.

*starts listing CA nations that use the HT-101... Cross refferances with nations involved in Khornate incedent... Asks about effects of EMP on pain chip users...


Although this is about as politically correct as the North and South Koreas perfoming Joint operation field excercises in the middle of the DMZ... heh, turning their civil war into a 3 round game of extreme paintball... Using the politicians as soldiers....

I mean, who doesn't want to see the North Korean leader go out for a round of paintaballing some South Koreans? Especially if the resalt was a unified Korea... And one great story to tell your grandkids...

Just remeber that Crookfur is watching you, as if the large airliners and U-2 alikes flying just inside the boundaries of Crookfur adminsitered airspace 24/7wasn't enough of a reminder...

I have some plans for a little bit of spec forces stuff in the central "untamed" region but there won't be much of it so it is hardly worth starting a thread for so it might be useful as "Crookfur's presence" thingy.

I'm confused. I understand what's going on, but - what's my role? And what does 'bounding overwatch' mean?

If the Sh*t hits the fan and someone crashes the place by invading somone unexpectedly.
(Which again, hopefully won't happen, since it would anger 3 somewhat large alliances, in which case, you'd be the rather large speed bump)

In short, you get to raise your DEFCON. And you get to watch Crookfur watch us.

Anything beyond that is strictly voluntary only.

Oh, Mal, if you have any CA buddies in mind, please ask them and their crazy sister to come along.
*Tries to find any lies in the above statements, finds none*

**WOOOT! 8 more posts till I hit 3K...
I think I'm catching up to Mal...

I wanna play

Sounds good to me, though I must ask, what EXACTLY are we supposed to be doing here?

BC:
I found it odd that Mal, Toops, and TWSP didn't remember the Wanderjarian GSG-9 strike on your hillside mansion...
(And 2/3rds of them gave credit to me for some reason, mostly because of infiltrating the Knights of Ares place when Griff was inside)

Are you sure that you wanna be more in on this than you already are?

Shiloba:
No clue who you are.

-1st, you weren't even areound when The Khornate Tribes was invaded and nuked.
-2nd, you aren't in any of the involved alliances.
-3rd, there is a lot of OOC stuff and IC backstory that came before this thread.
Search 1 (keyword): TWSP Special Forces Mendez
Search 2 (Nation): The Khornate Tribes

All others are keywords-
Search 3: GASN (Look for the offsite)
Search 4: Corprate Alliance
Search 5: ADAN

Profile: Leafanistan
Sig:
Universal Exports

Profile: Hurtful Thoughts
Sig:
HOI
Five Point Mafia
PROHT
ADAN
PROHT embassy/factbook (look for history section, see Khornate and Chitzi incedents)

Other:
-Wanderjarian GSG-9 strike against Griffencrest home
-Fires of Change
-Call of the Confederacy
-Blackhelm/Hurtian Crisis

It's a long read. And some of those threads are user protected.
(It pretty much is a quick rundown of Hurtian/Blackhelm relations and cross relations with alliances they were in at one point or another)

Or you can jump in and hope nobody minds.
Either way, it'll hopefully be a good read.
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Oh, wait, you're the revamped The Khornate Tribes, arent you?

Send troops where, exactly?

Send troops where, exactly?

To The Khornate Tribes of course, Maldorian sector (wherever that was, I believe that was somewhere near the Crookfur sector...)

The below was what the island map looked like around the end of hostilities in TKT, so it doesn't really show how much land the FPM has gained into the corprate zones by purchasing land from Undershi. Although it is pretty well stated that Undershi focused mostly on just taking and holding the capitol. (What on the Afghani map would be the Ghor providence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghor_Province) I guess)

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/KTmap.jpg
So I guess everyone will be arriving in that grey/black spot in the northeast.
I'm pretty sure Grifencrest holds the stuffin the Northwest.
Maldorians have not been informed of your arrival.

Note that Crookfur is that big blue blob in the south, and thus, may pose a threat if he gets trigger happy, that is what Antigr is for.

Also, Undershi sold his claims to FPM, not to HOI or the Hurtian government, and the FPM is to be considered a potentially hostile fringe faction, and thus, has not confined their actions to within the Hurtian sector. Althought he unclaimed sector to the Northwest is known to be irradiated by a previous nuclear strike.

Also keep in mind, that like their namesake, TKT has been ravaged by civil wars and raped by profit seeking corporations, yet still contains displaced persons trying to scrape by a living.

Also note, that of these, are four distinct cultures:
1- 'Old style' City People, normal decietful folk, their military for the most prt has been broken.
2- Blood Kultists, essentaially warmongering barbarians that like the small of napalm in the morning, luckily, the CA made a point to drasticly thin their ranks
3- Slaves and Janissaries from the Undershi Regiem, what you'd expect from people under Undershi rule for 10 years...
4- Five Points Mafia, a cross-culture of Hurtian deserters, city people, and blood kultists that banded together out of necesity against what they viewed as a common enemy. However, since the Hurtian government has recenttly been officially attempting to exterminate this group, they have no quarrels in killing Hurtian Loyalists.

The scale of the map is most likely going to be larger than most of the RP, which would, ideally, focus arround a training camp or three. Plus the FPM's treatment of the 'liberated' Undershi sector.

Who remembers these two lil gems?
yeah I dealt with blood cult before getting into Khornate itself... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487221)
Khornate war and invasion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494171)

The map in TKT's own words (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11822031&postcount=181)

So I watch and guard the operation then?

So I watch and guard the operation then?
Unless you want to do more.

So, what zone would my Spec. Ops. arrive to?

So, what zone would my Spec. Ops. arrive to?

Send troops where, exactly?

To The Khornate Tribes of course, Maldorian sector (wherever that was, I believe that was somewhere near the Crookfur sector...)

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/KTmap.jpg
So I guess everyone will be arriving in that grey/black spot in the northeast.
I'm pretty sure Grifencrest holds the stuffin the Northwest.
Maldorians have not been informed of your arrival.

The map in TKT's own words (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11822031&postcount=181)

Maldorian/CA sector, that black/grey spot to the north someplace.*
Anything more definate would be specified by Mal.
Sending troops anywhere else pretty much is a death wish.

As Crookfur is in a stance of heavily armed nuetrality.
TWSP and the GRRF don't mix.
And the FPM are a tad trigger happy.

May want to intermingle them with your regulars to avoid suspicion.
(That or attach them as an organic unit without explanation somehow)

*Because at the time, Mal was firmly entrenched as a CA lacky.

Okay, just tell me where to land (exactly, as in marking the spot in the map, any important cities/towns in the area would also be appreciated, as well as military bases) and what to do.

BC:
I found it odd that Mal, Toops, and TWSP didn't remember the Wanderjarian GSG-9 strike on your hillside mansion...
(And 2/3rds of them gave credit to me for some reason, mostly because of infiltrating the Knights of Ares place when Griff was inside)

Are you sure that you wanna be more in on this than you already are?


The Wanderjarian strike failed,the successful one was from Aeson, remember?

And what do you mean? I'm already in this? Whaaaa?

Meh. I'm to new to know about this, so meh.

a slightly higher res and updated map:
linky (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/ktmpa2.png)

Updated to remove nations without much involvement, made the assumption they pulled troops out and that Crookfur and the CA advanced along the roads marked on red on the map. Badakhshan is left neutral as bandit country with stronger bandits possibly supported by the mysterious outside force KT liked to mention as proping up the Herat faction. Central "neutral" sectors remain as they are mainly because they serve as a useful buffer zone.

The capitol city is located where Kabul is and is under Crookfur control and the front line/border there was the site of a few skirmishes between Crookfur forces and Blackhelm or possibly Griffencrest elements. If people have input i will be happy to divy up the CA block into nationalistic sectors.

Crookfur sector houses a large Crookfur Garrison in addition to an ever growing indiginous armed forces equipped mainly with second line or reserve Crookfur equipment i.e. harrier-a-likes isntead of JSF-a-likes or upgraded challenger IIs as opposed to Hector and Agamemnon MBTs.

Thanks for the improved map, but that little red thing with the little red lines running through it is my land...

And I do belive that Herat was nuked. So marching through there isn't a great idea.

The Wanderjarian strike failed,the successful one was from Aeson, remember?

And what do you mean? I'm already in this? Whaaaa?
To be frank, I don't even remember Wanderjar's strike...

Yeah, you're involved already, but only as a footnote.

BTW, has anyone heard from Mal lately, or is he hiding from me?
-Mal, I promise I won't even try killing your Mandalore... Besides, everyone has already signed on their respective dotted lines.
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Oranges and lemons say the bells of St. Clemens...
Follow the yellow.. er... red brick road...
And this, is Krazy glue, 1001 uses...

Lets see, Griffencrest, check; Crookfur, check; Maldorians, check; Undershi, check; TWSP, check; Leafanistan, check; Antigr, check.

Everything appears in order.

A'ight hey. Yeah, I was a lackey back then... :( I suppose that the defense there would be minimal due to the recent I am in. Don't know numbers yet...

Never said it wasn't, I just assumed people would be able to follow the key from one map to another ;)

IIRC the location of the nuke detonations were never entirely clear (mainly because the map only becamse a feature very late on) although I would have assumed that they were faily close (if not in) the CA area of operations. The north east end is out as location of the nukes as NND was still there when they happened.
From rereading thigns again it appears griffen crest only really bother witha small holding on a few strategic locations while the other CA antions were a bit more expansive in thier operations, i suspect that Undershi was more conentrated on the north west (operatiosn agaisnt NDD) with mal more to the east

A'ight hey. Yeah, I was a lackey back then... :( I suppose that the defense there would be minimal due to the recent I am in. Don't know numbers yet...

A single battalion for Spec-ops training would be enough

Well TWSP is currently more worried about location.
As are Crookfur and myself.

Trying to figure out where everyone was exactly during that war isn't easy.

I was hoping for someplace along the CA/Crookfur border or along the coast for espoinoge/amphibous practice.

Bump

Will start IC thread tomorrow.

Er.. friday... for OOC schedual reasons.

It'll begin with invitations to the event, and will allow participants to do whatever they see fit afterwards.

BTW, mal, you're membership has been updated by Antigr.

Okay, just want to mention quickly - all Undershi troops have pulled out, and we took our Janissaries with us when we went. We left behind a few million brutalized civilians who'd spent the last decade living in labor camps run by the IIS.

Well, that and a very thorough network of roads, some well-built barracks and a network of bunkers along the roads we built... with the bunkers, we removed the defensive guns, removed the doors and then left the concrete bunkers intact.

Bump

Thread is up, see first post for link.

I could've done better...

I suppose Mal won't specify any real location, so just listen to a round or three of "Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation" by Tom Paxton and play it by feel.

I don't even know where Mal's land is...
And I was in the thread when he took it and the country was divided up.

Mostly because nobody bothered to name cities.... Or use landmarks...
Except Crookfur and Undershi.

I suppose Mal won't specify any real location, so just listen to a round or three of "Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation" by Tom Paxton and play it by feel.

I don't even know where Mal's land is...
And I was in the thread when he took it and the country was divided up.

Mostly because nobody bothered to name cities.... Or use landmarks...
Except Crookfur and Undershi.

Neither do I...xD

Neither do I...xD

How about a standard, non-descript, CA/generic-style fort/base like Undershi and TWSP had in the middle of nowhere?

Location would hopefully either be near a border, or the coast, or both.

Somewhere in Britian
Somewhere in Nevada
Somewhere in The Khornate Tribes

The terrian would most likely be like that of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Cherinoble [sp?]
Ther's a ridge running along the Crookfur/CA borders.
There are some irradiated flatlands in the far west.
And there was a city along the Hurtian/CA border.

CA owns the north coast, Crookfur and HT own the south coast.

That really is about all I know, besides the fact that it has some pretty nice forests, most of the countryside is delapidated from a protracted civil war and lack of any real reconstruction effort. And there are some mighty hostile natives.

In short, invent the terrain as you go, and whoever posts after you has to adapt.
So whoever posts the terrain description first wins!

How about a standard, non-descript, CA/generic-style fort/base like Undershi and TWSP had?

Location would hopefully either be near a border, or the coast, or both.

Sure, anything is fine. I'll post tomorrowz.

Bump.

Make something up.
Maldrians has had... some sort of presence there... start with that, then figure out where in a CA dominated territory you would want this to be.

Or I could make something up, but then it would be more of a narration with IC commentary rather than an rp.

TWSP, your involvement mostly involved this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12555892&postcount=128) section of the other thread.

Particularily in refferance to previous training of using CA weaopns systems, cultures, and tactics.

Due to the rapid changing nature of NS, it is quite likely that you may end up on the same side as a CA member (or former member).*

Also, it is in acceptance that not all of TWSPs enemies are on Griffencrest payroll. Thus, it would be an expansion of post #128 (and thus, completely skip the earlier stuff, except when dealing with Mal, he'll get the special attention as to how to warp an RP to fit his own needs)

It would be customary for Mal to allow your forces 24 hours to 'settle in' to their accomodations before sending them out on their demo mission to show as many flaws in their technique as possable (that or show them near-perfection).

Mal's part is pretty much similar to the TWSP SF thread, mostly because of the minimal amount of troops needed to be considered a 'sizeable' contribution.

Leafy's slaves are to be their cannon fodder on the paintball range, and will also be trained at a pace as closely matching Mal+TWSPs as possable with manpower available. (1 million moving breathing and thinking targets that shoot back, and most likely would, given the chance)

HOI is in it because their rank and file require extensive retraining.

*However, training them to work with a potential enemy may make them 'soft' should they fight each other, thus, it is best to limit friendly contact only to the elite troops, allowing propoganda to continue working on the rank and file Soviet infantry.

And yes, the guy in the business suit is former Staff Sgt Gorby... 15 years later and now a Chief Warrant Officer...

Also to be covered will be novel uses of combat shotguns to suppress incoming mortars rockets and rifle grenades and uses of animals in assistance of small unit operations (especially in counter-sniper and in detecting abushes).
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FPM will make a few appearances and asides.

I hath posted!

So have I, a covert entrance though.

Tell me PROHT, is there any exact location were you would like to meet the Captain?

Well, setting them up in a hotel before Maldorians made their own presence known, kinda threw me a curveball.
(It also makes it hard to make yourself known ICly, though you did just set yourself up to ambush an ambush, or watch an ambush from the rear, LOL at the fools in front, and walk up behind them...*)

A simple cell phone call to any of the Hutrian or Maldorian instructors would be enough, unless you'd rather meet them first in person to see the look on the Maldorian Officer's face...
(Your involvement isn't known by Mal ICly yet)

I was expecting one of the groups to walk right up to the base entrance...
(Kinda a repeat of the Hurtian/TWSP 10 ton crate at entrance exam)

Oh well, there's still 4 more people who could, plus I could spring it upon myself.

Did anyone notice that Mal, myself, TWSP, and Ryou all have contracts to kill each other (but are hopefully setting differances aside)?

*Volunteers Mal
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Ryou would be a late arrival, most likely unannuonced to TWSP for reasons that may be clearly understood. Though their pressence would most likely be due to Maldorian's doing rather than my own (I didn't consider things balanced, plus it made the RP stink of a consperacy to beat on Mal, which it really isn't, just an excuse for him to start over with a fresh slate of allies and enemies)

Edit: Ryou aint coming, Sorry Mal, but it looks like the CA doesn't want to join you on this RP...

Not even Ryou... the former warmonger...
Maybe he did get better at seeing where is actions take him.
Carbandia and Dephire now owe me $5...

Snip

Actually, it's seven hotels, and they are not going to get their equipment until the briefing is done, time at which their tourist visas will be about to expire, and thus will warrant a short trip to the embassy to renew them (as well as getting their guns and the likes).

For the moment, they'll act like any normal person on holidays would, sight-seeing, tours, museums, etc.

Actually, it's seven hotels, and they are not going to get their equipment until the briefing is done, time at which their tourist visas will be about to expire, and thus will warrant a short trip to the embassy to renew them (as well as getting their guns and the likes).

For the moment, they'll act like any normal person on holidays would, sight-seeing, tours, museums, etc.

You really did milk that TWSP-SF thread for all its worth, didn't you?

Hope those visas expire in 24 hours, or else you may miss the fireworks.
Plus, you don't need a gun to be well armed. (it just really helps) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqEWDo1VQk)

Just don't try matching a Blood Kult in melee.

Blackhelm's Knights of Ares are far easier fare.
And even those are a pain to kill...

Just wondering - I was told that I should get involved with this RP, and I definitely think it's a great RP, but I don't see how I can get involved - I sold my land and pulled out my troops. Is there anything I'm supposed to be doing?

You really did milk that TWSP-SF thread for all its worth, didn't you?

Hope those visas expire in 24 hours, or else you may miss the fireworks.
Plus, you don't need a gun to be well armed. (it just really helps)

Well, they could always go to have some documents "checked" by the embassy personnel.

Not to mention they do carry knives and the likes, just not guns.

And honestly, I dont consider the SF thread to be quite finished yet.

Well, they could always go to have some documents "checked" by the embassy personnel.

Not to mention they do carry knives and the likes, just not guns.

And honestly, I dont consider the SF thread to be quite finished yet.

I believe the SF thread can be summed up by stating that Hurtian training of TWSP servicemen was canceled due to political and budgetary constraints in the middle of training.
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Now to Und:
It's a good RP?
It has barely even started, I was hoping on getting almost every loose end I've developed over the past 2 years tied up (^^^), and the political atmosphere surrounding my country fleshed out a bit more.

Except I'm not too good at understanding how the leftovers from the Undershi regime would react to their FPM 'liberators'. Many of them Blood Kultists (and thus, enforcing euthinasia of the ill and perhaps cannibalism). Otherwise, the leftovers would be treated with remarkable kindness and generosity.

You can also say that Mal invited you.

He's been avoiding the task of inviting CA members to volunteer some troops for advanced training for some reason, even though it would provide him with some measure of security should someone try ruining him.

Units invited by Mal, might not have notified the Hurtian instructors, making them as much a surprise ICly to me as TWSP is to Mal.

By the way, here's the roster for Charlie Squad:

Squad 3
Captain Alexei Popovich
Sergeant Anton Rutkowski
Corporal Georgy Lebedev
Corporal Eberhart Milton
PFC Luka Prodan
PFC Flint Elliot
PFC Erwin Rommel
PFC Fritz Lang
PFC Slava Fernandez
PFC Enzo Ferrari

And I have decided to bring Captain Johann Sebastian as a guest of Charlie Squad, him being the guy with more experience in handling with the Hurtians.

EDIT

I'm also wondering if I might be able to send some more "regular" troops for the Staat-Truppen: Staat-Truppen and Officer Exchange Program Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538389)

You know, to get them some experience.

Well, I can't exactly send troops to help out - Undershi itself is being invaded by overwhelming forces. So, I don't think there's anything major for me to do, although I'd be perfectly happy to answer any questions about the Undershi zone.

Also, as for why I said good RP, I meant that it looks like it could well be a good RP - the concept is a good one.

TWSP: Yes, by all means send them in.

Und:
Have I ever had bad concepts?

Mal:
Where are you!?!

TWSP: Yes, by all means send them in.

Und:
Have I ever had bad concepts?

Mal:
Where are you!?!

Nope, you've never had bad concepts. Never. :p

EDIT: And that wasn't supposed to be sarcasm, in case you're wondering...

Rather than bump, a term too common for my liking, I'll use this post to say that I hit someone with an axe.

Hey, I've joined.
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Hello?

Waiting for Mal again, TWSP's post is optional.

But to answer you question, you are there to:

Instruct:
Mal's military is, either intentionally or not, of substandard quality. Thus, your guys will have to make sure they learn fast and don't slow down training for everyone else.

Train:
You're already there, may as well take a seat and attend the course.


And Protect: The primary objective, namely, making sure nobody gets killed by some surprise attack or some cadet with an axe to grind.

Waiting for Mal again, TWSP's post is optional.

But to answer you question, you are there to:

Instruct:
Mal's military is, either intentionally or not, of substandard quality. Thus, your guys will have to make sure they learn fast and don't slow down training for everyone else.

Train:
You're already there, may as well take a seat and attend the course.


And Protect: The primary objective, namely, making sure nobody gets killed by some surprise attack or some cadet with an axe to grind.

So basically I'm training Mal.

Oh, and your third point is confusing - why would I need to protect a training exercise from outside attack? And why would there be cadets with axes intent on killing people?

I just need my Hurtian contact to appear and everything will be set.

So do my guys get the new standard armament for Mafia soldiers, the AK-165?

I'm trying to proliferate it. :3

That and the M12 'Venom'.

Frankly I just want to see Kraven's people finally get their comeuppance by some soldiers armed for fighting him.

Okay, so I protect Mal and help in training. Where do I land? Who do I report to? What happens next?

Most of the thread will center around the Maldrian base, located someplace convienently close to the Crookfur border and the northern coast.

As for the rest, either land or wait for Mal.

TWSP, he's already in place with the Uniforms and papers. Tis Gorby.

Sure Leaf, you did send 1 million of your guys into this mess if you remember correctly.
Oh shoot... I forgot to unload your guys from the troopships...
Looks like you can introduce them and their weapons yourself.

Sure Leaf, you did send 1 million of your guys into this mess if you remember correctly.
Oh shoot... I forgot to unload your guys from the troopships...
Looks like you can introduce them and their weapons yourself.

OOC: I'm sorry if I've been gone long, this is a war games thing right?

And is there an RP thread already active that I can post in? As for their weapons I'm allowed vehicles aren't I?

Do you want me to play the part of the mass cannon fodder type?

yes, yes*, your call.

*See first post on this thread for link to IC thread

Oh, and TWSP, I noticed a soviet-esque nation teeting on the brink of capitalism
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542367

Ohh, and Leaf, what would EMP from a somewhat largish nuclear airburst do to your electronics?
I was considering a Buster-Jangle/Desert rock IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOyA7IPveY) type excercise in case someone wanted to do some tactical nuclear war again.

Centering the story around the perspective of a few individuals in each group works fine.
-Which reminds me, I have to name that 16 year old Master Seagent...

yes, yes*, your call.

*See first post on this thread for link to IC thread

Oh, and TWSP, I noticed a soviet-esque nation teeting on the brink of capitalism
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542367

Ohh, and Leaf, what would EMP from a somewhat largish nuclear airburst do to your electronics?
I was considering a Buster-Jangle/Desert rock IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOyA7IPveY) type excercise in case someone wanted to do some tactical nuclear war again.

Centering the story around the perspective of a few individuals in each group works fine.
-Which reminds me, I have to name that 16 year old Master Seagent...

An EMP from a somewhat largish nuclear airburst against a majority ground based military which is stuck using vaccum tubes and electro-mechanical rangefinders hacked together with modern technology in random places, such as GPS guided wooden cruise missiles, independent laser rangefinders, and modern weapons, I'd be rather immune to it.

(DANGER RUN ONS)

Do you mind me setting this RP after before Yeltsmin (if that RP will ever end)?

And can we shoot any Tribesmen that are hostile to us?

I don't mind.
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Only if you can prove it.
In short, they shoot first and are engaging you.

If they are not shooting at you, you simply watch.

At least, that's the official line.
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I was more-so wondering abou the complex micro-circuts of your 'pain chips', what with their excellent radio reception and all.
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All eyes and ears on Mal again...

Mal, if you don't post, I'll stab you with a stabbity thing myself!

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I was more-so wondering abou the complex micro-circuts of your 'pain chips', what with their excellent radio reception and all.
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All eyes and ears on Mal again...

The pain chips rely on a keen understanding of our nervous system, and are implanted at the base of the medulla oblongata. The idea is if someone tried to remove the deeply embedded chip they'll likely kill themselves by disabling their autonomic functions.

The chip has microwires that lead from its base to pain nerves as they leave the spinal cord. The procedure was originally error prone and delicate has now become a 1 hour slice and dice with experienced surgeons doing the operation rapidly and safely with a 98% success rate. Failures include death, chip failure, paralysis, and various physical and mental disabilities.

The chip's power source is a tiny dynamo that is powered by the kinetic motion of the subject it is implanted in. During combat support vehicles and aircraft broadcast a powerful microwave signal that serves as the carrier signal for army wide 'pain induction'. This allows Field Marshalls to punish individual soldiers for lollygagging from a distance. The pain chips can also be linked via a control circuit so an entire unit can be punished at once.

Getting a stick to prod mal with to ease stress caused by him not posting...

I didn't know that the rally point was outside the Maldorian Fortress, but my explanation is that: "You wanna sleep in some tents?"

Good point. Mal's accomadations are a tad... vague?

Meanwhile, the Soviets were enjoying their stay, though always alert for a Hurtian sign.

OOC: Glorified BUMP for PROHT.

OOC: about time...

IC:
Day 2, Morning Inside Maldorian base:
-snip-
Meanwhile...
Warrant Officer Gorbechev was just entering the gates as he heard Grant's "orders", he then shrugged, picked up an assault rifle and two clips from the armory, and went out the east entrance and began to circle around to the west along the south side.

He also made sure Grant didn't see him 'disobeying' his orders.

In his pack from last nigh, Gorby had roughly 6 HOI uniforms and 4 forgeries of uniforms for Maldorian enlisted personel. Beyond all else, he was still a case handler for covert perations within the People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts.

Both Grant and Gorby were disgusted by the lax training given to these Maldorian soldiers, this would be a loooooooong month...


He's been waiting for awhile... Like in the first post were he was standing along the coast.

Oh, right...
I forgot to send the diplomatic thingy...
-I almost thought you were expecting something of a 'bat-signal', which really isn't a good thing during covert...


Can I just claim I gave the signal awhile ago so you get some slack time to RP?*
Rather than a last second dash to the scene.
-Showboating encouraged
*I could even edit it into the post of your choice. (between posts 9 and 16, 14 doesn't seem to be doing anything...)

I dunno, I'm looking at being spy'ish, so just leave some sort of cryptic message for a Mr. "Harris" :D, with the location of the rendezvouz (sp?), and we will meet your man there.

Something like this?
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"Dear Respectable Mr. Andrew J. Harris,

It is our pleasure to inform you that you have won an instant getaway package for you and your friends to The Khornate Tribes! Luggage, baggage and claims shall be conducted by your guide and travel agent, Gordy.

Attached is a .zip file .pdfs of travel brochures.

See you in sunny Khornate Tribes!"

The attached file actually being encrypted map to the Rendezous point, plus a short list of forces known to be in the area, and info that a Five Points Mafia strike is expected somewhere along the Southwest as a diversion -thus you enter via the East doors with Gorbechev (which was poorly hidden with 'Gordy').

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I could have it edited into post 14 upon confirmation

Oreintation prior to diversion would be similar to 3rd video in link (next game, everyone join within 2 minutes of game start)

TWSPs would be a tad different (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUfHWz1tetg)

Something like this?
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"Dear Respectable Mr. Andrew J. Harris,

It is our pleasure to inform you that you have won an instant getaway package for you and your friends to The Khornate Tribes! Luggage, baggage and claims shall be conducted by your guide and travel agent, Gordy.

Attached is a .zip file .pdfs of travel brochures.

See you in sunny Khornate Tribes!"

The attached file actually being encrypted map to the Rendezous point, plus a short list of forces known to be in the area, and info that a Five Points Mafia strike is expected somewhere along the Southwest as a diversion -thus you enter via the East doors with Gorbechev (which was poorly hidden with 'Gordy').

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I could have it edited into post 14 upon confirmation

Sure, go ahead.

I think it'd be better if you made a new post though, all this editing gets confusing after a while.

?

Editd #14, waiting for response before bullets start flying (and then hopefully stuff may continue normally)

Ant, chill, I'll be gone for a few days soon, that should be enough time for Mal to build up the courage to post here again and cure his psychological manifestation of terrets.

*Blindchatting at Mal the brick wall* Nothing bad is gonna happen to you or your forces Mal. Antigr is there to make sure of that, see?

But I really do need this to develop to the end before I throw my country into civil war (or else everyone would be overly confused) plus to wrap up all the stuff with TWSP, and let you and Ant find their roles in ADAN.

Right now Ant is considering the idea of pruning you off from ADAN.

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Feel free to RP in random feral Khornate Tribesman attacks.

Ok, I am back from Hawaii. A three day it was. Now I have to delete all of Antigr's TGs yelling at me for not replying...xD Now that Leafy is involved, hopefully he could shed some light on wtf is going on. I am STILL confused!

In short:

Antigr, Leafanistan, TWSP, PROHT, HOI, Crookfur, FPM, and unaligned Khornate Tribesmen are getting in some peaceful target practice and showboating.

Originally I planned upon something occuring that would esentailly draw a line in the sand between different alliances, but that went out the window awhile ago and I'm playing it by ear.

As is everyone else.

Oh, and a minor formality....
Um, Leaf, would you like to submit some course instructors for this excercise?
Same for Mal and Ant.

I may as well let everyone take turns training everyone in what they're good at or enjoy RPing.

Oh, and a minor formality....
Um, Leaf, would you like to submit some course instructors for this excercise?
Same for Mal and Ant.

OOC: I'm pretty good at unconventional warfare, mind me RPing some random Tribesman villages?

Anyone can waltz over and ask wonder what to do. Seeing as much ships are darkening the skies with pollution and a black snow of soot is now covering the earth.

Since I'm supposed to be training mal, all my men are instructors and harm-preventors (if that is a word) then?

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Yes.

So, am I supposed to do something at this moment or is the story still being told? I can't tell.
Just wondering how fast your troops move when told to run without any apparent reason and immediately after being an A-hole to the troops.

Then how they'd react to coming under suppressed sniper fire followed by mortar shelling without their guns.

In short, letting you respond to the first 150 seconds after post 38 IC.

They'd brandish weapons at such an order, and when the mortars fall they'd either run if there's no cover or take cover if there is some not too close to shelling. What everyone else would probably do. Unless they throw themselves to the ground instantly, then the death toll would come into play.
They wouldn't do that.

By the way, they would have guns. They never not have a gun. In their job, it's not an option.

Ant. you're going to attack my lazy guys in the fortress?

*cries* I don't know. I just don't know. *Continues to cry*

*cries* I don't know. I just don't know. *Continues to cry*

*slaps*

Pull yourself together, soldier!! >: |

Antigr won't have to, I had a quick salvo of mortar shells targeting that spot...
Well, actually just their officer's quarters. But meh...

I'm gonna hit 'snooze' early

I'm not a soldier. My soldiers are soldiers.

Antigr won't have to, I had a quick salvo of mortar shells targeting that spot...
Well, actually just their officer's quarters. But meh...

I'm gonna hit 'snooze' early

You attacked already? Link me please.

No, I simply noted my target (or potential targets) and set a fixed IC time delay on the attack.

I was planning on posting what exactly I was attacking and what with today.
That post so far hasn't happened due to writer's block.

yay, bombs. Nuthin' new in the IC thread from me.

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HT, how can you have room for 35mm cannon and 70mm rockets in the nose of a heli?

Bump for answer

Same way the Hind-F has room for a double 30 mm fixed cannon plus 6 rocket hardpoints, 10 man crew capacity, and can still lift a metric ton.

An Mi-17 with Mi-26 rotors, less armor, it'll lift the mass, a bit unbalanced but readjusting trim should compensate.

I figured that the choppers would be shooting at targets from a distance of about 4 miles when circling AC-130 style.

leaf: um, do we get any warning about the use of chemical weapons? Or did we just kill the whole island again? Because I'm pretty sure that wasn't part of BC's plan...


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VVVVVVVV You knew BC was in on it too?

^^^^^^^^
What he said!

No. I don't even know what BC is. I'm just tagging along to feel included.:p

BC = Blackhelm Confederacy AKA Griffenhelm/Blackcrest Corpederacy.

And BC is in on this?

Anyway, posted a what-the-hell-do-you-think-you're-doing-with-that-ash post in other thread - sorry, though it was the OOC thread - to leaf.

leaf: um, do we get any warning about the use of chemical weapons? Or did we just kill the whole island again? Because I'm pretty sure that wasn't part of BC's plan...


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VVVVVVVV You knew BC was in on it too?

Its not a chemical weapon as much of it is as an intimidation weapon. This is the 21st century, time for a new type of war. We have to rethink strategy and methods.

Wars aren't conducted for regime change anymore. We don't do country building, we don't let them leave. We are colonial entities, we enjoy the White Man's Burden.

We are here to win. We are here to dominate. But to dominate we must first break. We must break the wills of the people we want to dominate. Its basic psychological warfare.

The sky blackening tool isn't that persistent, it will clear up in a few days, its like smog on steroids. Its a good tool for scaring populaces. They don't like seeing dark skies, they don't like not seeing the sun day after day. They don't want it to rain pitch, they don't want it to snow ash, and no matter what a man says if he hasn't lived with it for days on end, he won't be able to tolerate it. He'll go mad, he'll make a mistake, he'll screw up, and he and all his peers will be the end of their military.

-Gabba gabba not a WMD gabba psy-ops gabba gabba white man's burden- AKA -Snip-

So the entire thing about everyone's lungs getting insta-fried was just Ant going off the deep end?

*Gives Antigr a dissapproving snear*

I would of course have to question to idea of affecting the entire island seeign as about 40% of it is made up of developing nation with a generously well equipped and trained (if not entirely well motivated) armed forces backed up approx 0.5million Members of the Crookfur armed forces.

On the other hand I can come up with all sorts of delicious ideas of what the effect would be on the remainign tribes, thier shamans would almsot be over come with joy as the land turns into the true vision of a khornate paradise, heck it would probabaly unleash enough "energy" for SOMETHING to cross over.

Of coruse since i'm the only one who actually really bothered with the GW chaos side of things here that likely doesn't interest you in the slightest. So I will likely have to resort to a more "direct" Crookfur response as the result of the clouds crossing over the central mountains. Plus point out that the tribalists would only becoem more fanatical as a result of this.

So the entire thing about everyone's lungs getting insta-fried was just Ant going off the deep end?

*Gives Antigr a dissapproving snear*

I said if it was rock-based ash.

*notes dissaproving sneer*
*axes HT*

I would of course have to question to idea of affecting the entire island seeign as about 40% of it is made up of developing nation with a generously well equipped and trained (if not entirely well motivated) armed forces backed up approx 0.5million Members of the Crookfur armed forces.

On the other hand I can come up with all sorts of delicious ideas of what the effect would be on the remainign tribes, thier shamans would almsot be over come with joy as the land turns into the true vision of a khornate paradise, heck it would probabaly unleash enough "energy" for SOMETHING to cross over.

Of coruse since i'm the only one who actually really bothered with the GW chaos side of things here that likely doesn't interest you in the slightest. So I will likely have to resort to a more "direct" Crookfur response as the result of the clouds crossing over the central mountains. Plus point out that the tribalists would only becoem more fanatical as a result of this.

OOC: Lets be reasonable about the terrain. Smog won't extend past the mountains unless there is a giant opening, and they are vulnerable to the rain and other conditions. It is also damaging to vehicles if it decides to acid rain.

If the Khornates love it they can come over with the Mafia. I wonder how friendly they'll be to a liberal organization famed for bloodthirsty campaigns and devastating actions. Maybe some will join?

Should I set up a recruitment tent?

Well you did specifically state "cover the entire island" but made no particular mention of prevailing winds (never specified but the terrain would liekly indicate them running south west to northest or the other way around)and the some what moutnaineous terrain but then that did seem more than little OTT as the response to a tiny little skirmish.

As for recriuting the few True worshippers of Khorne left, you could try but it would proabably be easier to concentrate on the more cowed tribes left in the CA region.

Leaf, what are your motives for dumping ash on everyone?

psy-ops, maybe screwing with agriculture, messing up daylight attacks.

I know this is a big scary training to-hell-and-back thing and it was to be expected, but it still makes me angry.

Please no more bumping the IC. Keep the bumps on OOC where it doesn't detract from the story.

Sorry, just like bumping

Bump!:p

I think it's Leaf's, Mal's, or HT's turn to post in the IC

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I know this is a big scary training to-hell-and-back thing and it was to be expected, but it still makes me angry.

You know Griffencrest ships are purposely altered to be as polluting as possible for this very reason. If you want to fight corporate aggression or someone who wants to terrify you to death then actually kill you this is a good exercise.

A shotgun blast knocked the pilot over, he was dazed and the soldiers surrounding him smiled. He looked down to discover a fluorescent blue stain covering his BDU and the officer offering a hand to the man.
The Logistics corps don't issue BDUs...

Essentailly, they have the appearance of something between a bloodstained greasemonkey and an early 20th century barnstormer.

So yaeh, a shotgun blast of paint would hurt...

At least everyone has a sense of humur...

*deadly serious* I have a sense of humor. Watch.

*suddenly falls over laughing hysterically*

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The Logistics corps don't issue BDUs...

Essentailly, they have the appearance of something between a bloodstained greasemonkey and an early 20th century barnstormer.

So yaeh, a shotgun blast of paint would hurt...

At least everyone has a sense of humur...

If you standardize clothes and they wear them into battle then it is a BDU. Does Mal even exist anymore?

If you standardize clothes and they wear them into battle then it is a BDU.

Does Mal even exist anymore?

But they aren't standardised...
Except that they tend to get filthy fixing their planes.

He was on JG:NS 79 minutes ago.
That or his pet learned to use a computer...

Or if someone hacked *laughs evilly and quietly in corner*

*notices everyone is staring*

yay for bumping

We'll need to give the IC CPR soon. Not my turn to post,though. Mal, where the hell are you?

seriously, this thread is comin' up in death throes.

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Well that leaves a few options...

1. Hold Mal responsible for killing this RP

2. Just keep going keeping in mind he'd most likely retcon it anyways for no other apparent reason.

3. Godmod Mal's actions so the story may continue

4. Set this RP on hold till the weekends and winter break.

GODDAMN I'm BACK AGAIN! I would have forgotten this whole thread had HT not TGed about this...>__<

I thought chemical payload were supposed to airburst?

And those 3 Kords are loaded with live ammo for the exact possability that one of your officers tried to get revenge for the 'deaths' of their comrads

One pistol vs 3 .50 cal machineguns...

I have a feeling my dudes are pwnt...:'(

Just a little, care to edit your post?

Layout:
Squads P17 and P35 ('P' designates the CO, 'Pick', an assasination specialist unit) were in the treeline, 6.5 mm autnatic rifles still at ready, sme of their scopes had fogged up (due to yesterday's rain), and thus they would have to rely upon their iron sights and remember the ranges. At least the spirit level on the scope rim still worked, which would allow them to check torquing the rifle left or right at long range.

Squad P54 was a 'heavy weapons' squad, armed with SHAW-12 auto shotguns and 40 mm grenade launchers, these men still remained with the helicopter unit of H40 (H denoting 'Hans' or Logistics specialty).

Grant's elite unit, his personal bodygaurds, comprised of unit 'G', manning the technicals and mortars.

A unit of men deployed from SN2 -their espianoge unit, specialised in concealment and still quite capable at killing- manned a trio of Kord heay machineguns upon the crest of a hill.

-snipi of teh mortar targets-

The Kords manned by SN2 gave suppressive fire upon the cadets trying to counter-attack, hopefully driving them back into the trenches.

-snipi teh ZOMG choppers!-

It was around this time that the three technical trucks broke through the treeline, and men from P17 hopped on the rear box as it sped through the field and past P54. The technicals fired off 12.7x107 mm heavy MGs while the men of P17 emptied ther rifle mags of 6.5 mm, at some point they hit the dirt and started firing 12 ga from their underbarrel grenade launchers, scattering the empty field with FRAG-12 HE shells. at this point the membe rs of P54 advanced and switched to using their SHAW-12s to full effect, using their guns like assault rifles on steroids at a range of 75 meters and rapidly closing.

So you'd have something of 3 to 6 kords, 3 attack helis, and about a fully armed platoon of infantry charging down on a bunch of disarmed and disorganized Maldorians...

And a pistol is pretty useless past 100 meters...
FRAG-12s tend to fall at about 150 meters...

There, happy? Now you won't kill mah dudes

There, happy? Now you won't kill mah dudes

Not realy, those two payload rounds would most likely only coat your lagging officers in paint, not really kill them.

Unless they'd literally die if someone so much as spat on their uniform... (It rained about 15 pounds of paintballs on them...)

And there shouldn't be anybody in those enlisted personel barracks (and those guys were warned beforehand anyways of the risks they'd take by staying behind)

Imagine if the 15 tons was one big paintball. o_O

15 pounds =/= 15 tons

It would be about the size of a paint can or two.

I'm tempted to godmod so that I can reduce your casualties...
Since the officer's lounge was a pretty important part of the RP...

So? They were lazy anyway.

Mal, I tend to start off every RPed training thing with some form of "paintball Pwnage" of the polished brass born with a silver spoon.

I've done it to Chitzeland, the Pudites, the Parthians, Undershi, TWSP, Blackhelm, and even Asgarnieu's top of the line fighter pilots.* Now I've added Leaf, Ant and Mal to the list.

I was tempted to let TWSP make a pass at Mal in the officer's lounge just for the lulz.

For everyone else I'd just dismiss them to get acquainted with each other and repair the damage done by the demo.
-Dancing in the bombed out barracks? Or should it be a barfight?

Followed by some pleab posting up who's in what team (which would intentionally be confusing/ad hoc/motley to simulate fresh green reinforcements from a foriegn country.

Grant and his merry band of terrorsts would then leave the scene.

*After the initial pwn I'll give you plenty of chances to get even.
Just be glad nobody gets killed when I pwn39 U Y71337R38U. -my leet sucks

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Is the IC dead? I tink we need to move on.

Nah, Mal just moved to posting on weekends...

Yeah, but we still need to move on to something else if we're gonna keep the IC going

Bump *spam*

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Antigr, you may have a bumping problem...

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I think it died because Mal failed to see what good it would do.

...*writes mal's name on bullet*

*loads it into gun*

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Since this thread is dead, can I use it as my bump thread? (A thread where I post bumps)

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