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I applaud your RPing skill.

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Replied back. :D

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I applaud your RPing skill.


Thank you, you are quite good yourself.

Vetalia, I replied to your TG.

Thank you, you are quite good yourself.

Thank you.

Do you have a map of your region.

I think this is it.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/The_Far_Echo_Islands/cfeimap1.png

BTW, I need to know who's playing, because right now it seems like an awful large dogpile on the part of CFEI.

Caelapes is imposing economic and political sanctions on any nations that support the rebellion, but for IC reasons is unable to commit military force to the region, what with a sizable force being overseas in British Londinium.

Vetalia is sending a sizable army and navy to aid the CEFI in gaining independence. However, there are ulterior motives for our involvement here, namely an enclave on one of the islands to the far north (which is partially why we are landing in Port Archangel). We're more interested in what we get out of this than any particular commitment to either side, and there are ulterior motives that go above and beyond this conflict in addition to our desire for an enclave.

Wheels within wheels...

..construct mechanism, mechanism creating massive weapons. But once wheel gets rusty or it break, the weapon is seriously hampered...

Personally I just support a free echo Islands. I was against the Akimonadi annexation in the first place. That weapon I posted on was specifically designed right after the annexation (before this conflict) if the Akimonadi turned violent or authoritarian later on. We see the Federation as more or less the rightful government but don't want to get involved strongly so we gave them plans that can't be traced to us.

My mercs aiding the Federation.

You do realize you're in CAP with me, yes?

Yes, I do...which is why I won't engage you directly. I'm here for one thing and one thing only.

Vetalia is sending a sizable army and navy to aid the CEFI in gaining independence. However, there are ulterior motives for our involvement here, namely an enclave on one of the islands to the far north (which is partially why we are landing in Port Archangel). We're more interested in what we get out of this than any particular commitment to either side, and there are ulterior motives that go above and beyond this conflict in addition to our desire for an enclave.

Wheels within wheels...

You do realize you're in CAP with me, yes?

Personally I just support a free echo Islands. I was against the Akimonadi annexation in the first place. That weapon I posted on was specifically designed right after the annexation (before this conflict) if the Akimonadi turned violent or authoritarian later on. We see the Federation as more or less the rightful government but don't want to get involved strongly so we gave them plans that can't be traced to us.

Yes, by giving them plans that your nation created solely for the purpose of supporting Guerrilla movements. (or in this case 'conventional')

Yes, by giving them plans that your nation created solely for the purpose of supporting Guerrilla movements. (or in this case 'conventional')

Fordock is too small to do much but support guerrilla movements. Besides they get things done. If they fail no one can trace it to us. If they succeed then we have friends in power. Win-Win. Besides I wouldn't just give them to any old nation or revolutionary. I have to think they have a chance of winning and they have to have smiler ideals to mine namely that of the old CFEI.

Akimonad, Alfegos, dont take this literaly. I have high reguard for you two as RPers, however, Im all for the whole freedom thing, and Im kinda gettin tired of dealing with war in this region. Mind me when I say, holy crap, massive dog-pile, but I still think you guys can easily hold your own.

If I am accepted, I'd probably fight for support under a Cnian/Akimonad protected Echoese Islands that (atleast the Cnian part) would be gradually given more civil rights, but a military presence will almost always be there. (Maybe a bit of Cold-War between Akimonad and myself too?)

I personally have no problem with Akimonad's administration; I simply want an opportunity to establish another enclave in order to extend our economic power in to the CEFI.

I personally have no problem with Akimonad's administration; I simply want an opportunity to establish another enclave in order to extend our economic power in to the CEFI.

What are these 'enclaves' that you've been talking about?

What are these 'enclaves' that you've been talking about?

Small territories under my country's jurisdiction that are very quickly economically developed and turned in to densely populated cities by our citizens. They effectively turn in to cultural and economic fortresses that give us influence over the surrounding area. If you're on good terms with us, they give a huge boost to both of our economies and serve as a defensive link between our nations.

Not to mention they're as tough as hell to conquer due to the sheer density of the cities and the fierce nationalism of our citizens. Rather than have the costly burden of managing an entire colony, these little enclaves give us extremely profitable indirect imperialism in the areas they are located.

They're very, very good for those involved unless you threaten us...then they turn very unpleasant very quickly.

Nice.

Here's a rough idea of what the CEFI enclave will look like once it is developed:

CEFI Enclave (http://www.onesimusnuernberger.com/matte/matte_01.html)

Quite beautiful and incredibly ornate, and profitable for all sides as long as our relations are friendly.

That reminds me off the under-water MT nation that I will be constructing as a colony from Buddha C.

I betta get some stuff for helping 'em! >: O

Akimonad, Alfegos, dont take this literaly. I have high reguard for you two as RPers, however, Im all for the whole freedom thing, and Im kinda gettin tired of dealing with war in this region. Mind me when I say, holy crap, massive dog-pile, but I still think you guys can easily hold your own.

That's kind of why I annexed CFEI in the first place; to try and get rid of the conflicts that happen there.\

I personally have no problem with Akimonad's administration; I simply want an opportunity to establish another enclave in order to extend our economic power in to the CEFI.

You'd be more likely to get an enclave by fighting for me rather than against me. Not to mention we're in UFAN and CAP together.

If I am accepted, I'd probably fight for support under a Cnian/Akimonad protected Echoese Islands that (atleast the Cnian part) would be gradually given more civil rights, but a military presence will almost always be there. (Maybe a bit of Cold-War between Akimonad and myself too?)

Would you be fighting for or against me?


Frankly, it's my own opinion that there are too many people involved in this RP on CFEI's side and not a lot on mine.

I'll see if I can even it out somewhat.

I'm just a small nation and I've been involved since the Bloody Sunday war. Besides considering how that one needed I would take interest in this and right now, I'm just backing my ally Kirav.

I'm currently just fighting with only surgical airstrikes: why send in loads of troops when Akimonad has them?
Also, has anyone picked up on the missile attack on the rebels by my sub offshore?

Not yet, I just got online.

Alright, no more people on CFEI's side. That's quite enough.

Im considering neutrality.

Im considering neutrality.

I would appreciate that.

Alright, no one's listened to me, so here goes...

The list of my enemies/CFEI's allies needs to be thinned.

To that end, I declare:
-No mercs (this means you, Mal)
-No more people, with exceptions for my side, considering I'm outnumbered
-No more than one '05 nation on CFEI's side.

I'm all for this RP but I'm not for dogpiling.

Alright, no one's listened to me, so here goes...

The list of my enemies/CFEI's allies needs to be thinned.

Quite frankly, you need to stop blaming others. Maybe it was you who didn't get your point across. Don't blame others for your blunders. That is #1.

To that end, I declare:
-No mercs (this means you, Mal)

And why not? Like I said earlier, if you listened to me, you would see that I said I would send a small group. It's not a 1337 uber wtf army. My army is about to land on the beaches and I am intent on having them help the Federation.

-No more people, with exceptions for my side, considering I'm outnumbered
Well...Considering that you are steadily gaining aid. Toori is neutral, and some people are countering larger nations. What gives you the right to ban the people joining the others yet leaving your slots open? Once again, doesn't make sense.

-No more than one '05 nation on CFEI's side.

I'm all for this RP but I'm not for dogpiling.

It's not dogpiling. Go look up the thread, IC and OOC alike, and you will see that many people are starting to help you.

If you have any complainants, which you most likely will, you can IM me. I am online. :D

Akimonad, if you give me an island, I'd turn on the rebels and make sure they never rise up again. Either that, or we simply take over an island, kick out everybody, and kill any rebel that tries to move back in.

Akimonad, if you give me an island, I'd turn on the rebels and make sure they never rise up again. Either that, or we simply take over an island, kick out everybody, and kill any rebel that tries to move back in.

I offered that in my latest IC post...

I offered that in my latest IC post...

Oh, did you? I've been busy, so I missed some of the posts in the thread.

Well, we're going to be on our way building up this new territory, so unless you need us to eradicate the rebels, our forces will be heading home.

Oh, did you? I've been busy, so I missed some of the posts in the thread.

Well, we're going to be on our way building up this new territory, so unless you need us to eradicate the rebels, our forces will be heading home.

Eradicating the rebels would be helpful. That's part of the offer.

Edit: This post. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13081851&postcount=41)

Looks like you could use some help, Aki

Looks like you could use some help, Aki

Yep. But I want to see if Snefaldia creates a peace conference thread first.

Eradicating the rebels would be helpful. That's part of the offer.

Edit: This post. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13081851&postcount=41)

Done. Our forces will secure our enclave and then we will get to work aiding you in combat against the rebels. Mind you, I would prefer to avoid engaging other nations if possible, so a peace agreement would be very helpful.

Well...Considering that you are steadily gaining aid. Toori is neutral, and some people are countering larger nations. What gives you the right to ban the people joining the others yet leaving your slots open? Once again, doesn't make sense.



Considering neutrality, not neutral.

Done. Our forces will secure our enclave and then we will get to work aiding you in combat against the rebels. Mind you, I would prefer to avoid engaging other nations if possible, so a peace agreement would be very helpful.

I'll handle foreigns, since I have a fleet freed up now.

Actualy, nevermind that, I just read what Alf wrote. Im neutral, I just got to withdraw my present forces.

Yep. But I want to see if Snefaldia creates a peace conference thread first.

You want me to send troops and a few fleets?

You want me to send troops and a few fleets?

Sure, that'd be fine.

1st Fleet
3x Chupacabra-class Super Dreadnaughts ((BL Davidson-class, reverse-engineered)) 2.4Trillion
24x Gerald R. Ford-class carriers 312 Billion
72x Wasp-class Amphibious Assault Ships 180 Billion
120x CG(X) Guided Missile Cruisers 120 Billion
108x Zumwalt Destroyers 108 Billion
150x Alfa-class SSNs 200 Billion
36x K130 Corvettes 25 Billion
36x Perry-class Frigates 25 Billion
80x Monad-class Corvettes 60 Billion
[B]Second Fleet
12x Nimitz-class carriers 48 Billion
36x Wasp-class Amphibious Assault Ships 90 Billion
60x CG(X) Guided Missile Cruisers 60 Billion
54x Zumwalt Destroyers 54 Billion
75x Alfa-class SSNs 140 Billion
36x Ohio-class SSBNs 80 Billion
40x K130 Corvettes 30 Billion

Total. 3.932 Trillion In Purchasing Costs Alone. In order to arm, maintain, supply and pay for those... another 300 billion easily. Putting you well over 4.300 trillion.

Now I guess my question is... what else do you have? Do you have more fleets? Armies? Aerial forces? How do you pay for all of this? I'm not going to be a dick and say you have to use a calculator, but you can't just say I have unlimited money... ya need to explain where it's coming from.

NSEconomy estimates you're military budget at 2.856Trillion. Your entire govt. budget at 12.75Trillion, and that's with 100% tax rates. So thats just two fleets. With that size navy, you can't afford an army, no less an air force or any sort of missile stockpile. Again, that's not any set in stone numbering system, but it gives you an idea. If NSE says you're govt. budget is 12.75trillion, you could probably even push it to say... 18trillion. But with the fleets you're using, it looks more like a 100trillion dollar budget.

You might want to scale everything down a bit...

Look, I'm all for "realistic" RP, but at some point you've got to realize it's just numberwank. Kroando, if you're just going to pound Akimonad with everything you have, and not even allow him the slightest leeway in making his defense, where's the fun? You've jsut detailed how Aki's forces are unrealistic, while at the same time RPing the loss of almost his entire bomber force.

If we're going to be uber-realistic, it's highly unlikely that a foreign government like Kroando would dispatch a fleet of that size to attack an unimportant island colony. Even more unrealistic would be the wasting of those 230 AA missiles you realeased at the Akimonadi aircraft- by your own statement three to a plane, which equates to taking stacks of money and flushing them down the toilet. If you're going to argue about money and supplies, then there's clearly no way Akimonad could win this; since you've already decided he's going to lose.

That's poor form. Numberwanking is not good RP.


On another note- I'm waiting for CFEI, the main part, to post in the conference thread/conflict thread. Otherwise, there's not really any reason to go on.

I suppose I ought to mount a defense.

Kroando, your logic is inherently flawed to me, since I don't use calculators. There's a reason behind that, and it's because I RP a little more than NS provides, since it seems I'm unable to get Defense to be my top priority. Other than that, it's my country, so it's my rules*. It seems like you're trying to dictate my policymaking big time.


*Well, to an extent. I'm not saying I have a googleplex of dollars or anything.

Alright, first we need to get the definition of 'number wanking' straight. Number wanking is using numbers bigger than you could possibly possess in a war/battle. My fleet, in comparison to my country as a whole, is very small. Why use this size? To keep it interesting. If every small country in the world could use armies as big as the biggest nations, what is the point? If a newly formed nation of 1 million can claim to have an army as big as AMF's, what is the point?

Every one of us has to go through being a smaller nation. I did it, and I did it without RP'ing armies that were far too big. I am not going to demand uber-realism, I think I'm being rather leniant. I just don't understand how you all can just keep pulling these massive armies out of nowhere.

Kroando, if you're just going to pound Akimonad with everything you have, and not even allow him the slightest leeway in making his defense, where's the fun?
The amount of falacy in this statement is ridiculous. Look at my factbook. I'm not even sending in 1/10 of what I have. And I'm not allowing leeway? I'm allowing him to RP with a fleet that exceeds twice his annual budget. So yea... please, explain your position.

Even more unrealistic would be the wasting of those 230 AA missiles you realeased at the Akimonadi aircraft- by your own statement three to a plane, which equates to taking stacks of money and flushing them down the toilet.
The definition of wasting money is determined in relation to how much money you have. 230 AA missiles costs me 23,000,000 dollars. If I allowed him to drop the MOAB's on my Dreadnoughts, it would cost me nearly a hundreds of billions. My military budget is 32 Trillion... 23,000,000 is a drop in a bucket.

If you're going to argue about money and supplies, then there's clearly no way Akimonad could win this; since you've already decided he's going to lose.
If you don't approve of money or supplies having a place in warfare... well... I don't see how it is possible to RP with you. Akimonad can win this. He just can't win it as a nation of 6 Billion People with an All-Consuming Economy. Why? Because he's not a nation of 6 Billion with an All-Consuming Economy. He can win, and you're whining of 'You're bigger! You're godmodding if I can't be as big as you!', is simply annoying and foolish.

That's poor form. Numberwanking is not good RP.
Before calling names in order to defend your ally IC'lly, look up the definition of numberwanking... it is going on... and I'm not the one doing it.

EDIT.

@Akimonad. I am not telling you how much money you have, or dictating your policy. Tell me how much you have... and how you pay for it. That's all I want.

EDIT 2.

Well, if the RP's going to die anyways... then I don't see the purpose.

@Akimonad. I am not telling you how much money you have, or dictating your policy. Tell me how much you have... and how you pay for it. That's all I want.

How much of what?

And did you consider that these ships would have been purchased years ago and maintenance would be much cheaper?

Hello, I'm back.

Well, if TFEI is back, Akimonad needs to explain where his fuckin' huge military has come from. Your fleet is pretty much a complete godmod, way too big for a country of your size.

And did you consider that these ships would have been purchased years ago and maintenance would be much cheaper?
So you had an economic collapse years ago? Then you're still broke. You are quite simply, using more forces than you can afford, plain and simple. If you are allowed to use a military fitting for a nation of 6 billion, then I shall use one fitting of 12 billion. If your numbers can be dramatically overbearing, then so can everyone else. There have to be some sort of rules of realism... and unlike Snefeldia claims, my numbers are perfectly realistic for a nation of my size.

And maintenance of massive fleets is never cheap.

How much of what?
Everything. What is your military like. If you have any sort of realistic budget, then you have no army with the fleets you have.

-snip-

My navy, and indeed my military, is based off of the US' old "600-ship Navy" program. If they were capable of fielding 600 ships (give or take) then myself, with a population around 1.8 billion, can field about 3000 ships.

Now, Reagan's program also accounted for ship maintenance, and did not greatly lower the standard of living. Considering my taxes, at 100%, are considerably higher than US taxes were at the time, I should have plenty of money to cover this. Also, my government tends not to focus on things like the environment, so that's even more money that can go elsewhere. This would account for the US' budget deficit that made the program end. With my reserves, I should be fine.

Of course, that's just the Navy.

Now, I've asked around, especially with more experienced players, and they agree that this is fair.

And finally, I was looking to have fun, but that oppurtunity seems to have evaporated.

My navy, and indeed my military, is based off of the US' old "600-ship Navy" program. If they were capable of fielding 600 ships (give or take) then myself, with a population around 1.8 billion, can field about 3000 ships.



Of course, that's just the Navy.

Now, I've asked around, especially with more experienced players, and they agree that this is fair.

I have MANY, MANY questions on what you just said...I'll ask them in groups of 3.

1) What experienced players agree that this is fair?
2) Can you link me to the the US' old "600-ship Navy" program? Also, emphasis on OLD. Those ships were old and crappy, not superdreadnoughts you just bought. Big difference there.
3) 3000 ships?

I have MANY, MANY questions on what you just said...I'll ask them in groups of 3.

1) What experienced players agree that this is fair?

Wagdog and Animarnia. I can ask some more.

2) Can you link me to the the US' old "600-ship Navy" program? Also, emphasis on OLD. Those ships were old and crappy, not superdreadnoughts you just bought. Big difference there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy

And yeah, old. So? Just drop it a few hundred ships.

3) 3000 ships?

Um, yeah. That's what the math equates to.

See...Although it is called '600-ship navy' much of them were supply ships. If you want more links, just ask

I've yet to find an actual breakdown of the kinds of vessels, but it included an increase in support vessels as well, from fleet oilers to ammunition supply vessels.

This study from ~1983 gives a figure of around 330 combat vessels, so "six hundred including support looks plausible.

Link (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1983/Nov-Dec/haley.html)

See...Although it is called '600-ship navy' much of them were supply ships. If you want more links, just ask

Link (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1983/Nov-Dec/haley.html)

Your point? You're not making this any more fun.

BTW, redid the math, and it's actually about 3600 ships.

It is an important difference. The most expensive vessel of the US '600 Ship Navy' was a 4Billion dollar aircraft carrier. The most expensive vessel in yours is a 800Billion Dollar SuperDreadnought. This still leaves the question, what is the breakdown of your navy? How many of what ships do you have? I agree, you probably can support a 3,600 ship navy w/ 1,900 supply ships, 100 carriers/battleships, and 1,600 assorted frigates and destroyers... but your navy has really big vessels, and alot of them. The economics argument is not really needed here, it will just make this whole thing alot bigger. But in short, 100% tax rates does not just mean 'all profit goes to govt', for 100% tax rates decreases profit significantly. If the US had 100% tax rates, they would not be an economic powerhouse.

But regardless of all that, you sort of need a military listing for you deployments. [IE, whats in your army]

Okay, so drop the amount of ships from 3600 to the original 3000. That frees up quite a bit of cash, considering I have the money capable to field a RL fleet of 3600, or an NS fleet of 3000.

I think I've established my ability to support that much in the Navy alone.

As for my army, that's not nailed down yet.

Now, I have a question for you: Are you here to have fun, or to try an overpower me in anyway possible?

Now, I have a question for you: Are you here to have fun, or to try an overpower me in anyway possible?

That right there was hypocritcal. He wants to make sure that you are not messing around with numbers *Aka numberwanking* which RUINS good RPs. In reality, he is trying to sustain the RP. How is that 'overpowering' you in any way?

Now, I have a question for you: Are you here to have fun, or to try an overpower me in anyway possible?
It's alot easier to have fun when everyone plays realistically. It is immpossible to RP when everyone numberwanks. Now if you're going to get upset that my country is larger than yours... well welcome to the world of NS. Everyone goes through it, if we could all just RP as if we were the biggest countries in the world... well, that would be retarded.

Anyways, I responded last in the IC thread.

It's alot easier to have fun when everyone plays realistically. It is immpossible to RP when everyone numberwanks. Now if you're going to get upset that my country is larger than yours... well welcome to the world of NS. Everyone goes through it, if we could all just RP as if we were the biggest countries in the world... well, that would be retarded.

Anyways, I responded last in the IC thread.

Well, I'm not numberwanking, as I've proven. And I'm not upset that you're larger than me, don't patronize me like that.

On the other hand, I have a hunch that you may be upset because I might just be a formidable opponent. But I don't no for sure, and I'm not really that proud to think of myself as that formidable.

Regardless, this has made a mess of the RP and I've lost my desire to do anything further.

Some objective observations from me regarding the ongoing debate regarding fleet numbers.

#1 Acquisitions.

Take into account that a fleet is not built, purchased or founded in a day. This means that Akimond had more than just one year to equip his fleet. In short this means this was a gradual process.

#2 Standardization.

The more units you have, the less you have to pay for unit. This applies particularly for smaller units since parts and equipment is more readily available and at cheaper prices. This releases funds for the bigger ships of the fleet, the ones with the NS stigma.

#3 Reserves.

As it was kindly pointed out by Maldorians, Akimonad recently acquired some new Super Dreadnoughts. This implies that there was,

a) A need for them to replace existing ships.
b) A need for his fleet to equip itself with SDs.

Since A seems not to be the case here, b is the viable option. This means that his fleet had substantial funds available prior to this for acquisitions given the fact that SDs are arguably the most expensive units to maintain in a navy.

Years of surplus constitutes itself in reserves and combined to the cost savings provided by standardization this allows him to posses quite a large navy.

Well, I'm not numberwanking, as I've proven. And I'm not upset that you're larger than me, don't patronize me like that.

On the other hand, I have a hunch that you may be upset because I might just be a formidable opponent. But I don't no for sure, and I'm not really that proud to think of myself as that formidable.

Regardless, this has made a mess of the RP and I've lost my desire to do anything further.
All I have asked for, and all I continue to ask for is a write up of your military. If this is so much that you cannot continue to RP, well then, you are not as formidable as you may think. I am not asking much, just an order of battle, and for you to continue to RP in the war. Where as most RP'ers would be screaming 'GODMOD', I am more leniant than most... just tell me what you have.

Anyways, if we could just get back to the RP...

Years of surplus constitutes itself in reserves and combined to the cost savings provided by standardization this allows him to posses quite a large navy.
There is no real reason for us to continue all of this, but just as a side discussion, why not. I am aware that his navy was constructed over a number of years, however which non-stop construction and aquisition (which would be required for a 3,600 ship navy), where did this massive surplus come from? Are we to assume that during this time he purchased no tanks? No guns? No logistical vehicles, or an air force?

This means that his fleet had substantial funds available prior to this for acquisitions given the fact that SDs are arguably the most expensive units to maintain in a navy.
Good point. It would mean that in order to purchase the SD's, he would need a substantial surplus. However where did this surplus come from? Just because he needs one does not mean that he has one.

Again, we're not talking a couple hundred billion... or even a few trillion... we're talking double his defense budget on 1/10 of his navy.

All I have asked for, and all I continue to ask for is a write up of your military. If this is so much that you cannot continue to RP, well then, you are not as formidable as you may think. I am not asking much, just an order of battle, and for you to continue to RP in the war. Where as most RP'ers would be screaming 'GODMOD', I am more leniant than most... just tell me what you have.

There's several million men on the ground including mechanized division. So there. You have all the information you need, don't ask for more. You won't get it.

And you're not lenient, you're nitpickish. I didn't ask for an audit, which seems to be what you're trying to do.

My country, my rules.

There's several million men on the ground including mechanized division. So there. You have all the information you need, don't ask for more. You won't get it.

And you're not lenient, you're nitpickish. I didn't ask for an audit, which seems to be what you're trying to do.

My country, my rules.

This is what you call formidiable? *twitches* That was...shocking.

@Kroando: I believe I know his logic. He is trying to make it bad for you to RP so you would drop out, so he can keep his only piece of foreign land in his 'empire'.

There's several million men on the ground including mechanized division. So there. You have all the information you need, don't ask for more. You won't get it.

And you're not lenient, you're nitpickish. I didn't ask for an audit, which seems to be what you're trying to do.

My country, my rules.
Then would you like to... continue the RP?

The entirety of how ill-explained your military is is not even the biggest problem. The problem is that as soon as someone says, 'How many tanks do you have', you scream 'NITPICK!'. As soon as someone says 'How many men do you have?', you yell 'You dont want to have fun, do you?!'. If I ask, do you have APC's you respond, 'I don't want to RP anymore'.

Several Million? Is that 3 million? Or 30 million? You have 'a mechanized division'. Ok, maybe if you had a military factbook, that would work. Is your mechanized division made of mopeds or Abrams? I don't even care, I'm going to RP as if you had just that. Several million men. Should I assume they carry guns? Who knows.

It doesn't even matter. Just respond in the IC thread.

@Kroando: I believe I know his logic. He is trying to make it bad for you to RP so you would drop out, so he can keep his only piece of foreign land in his 'empire'.
I don't know, if he would continue the IC posting, he'd convince me otherwise...

@Kroando: I believe I know his logic. He is trying to make it bad for you to RP so you would drop out, so he can keep his only piece of foreign land in his 'empire'.

Uh, no. I'm trying to have fun. And CFEI isn't the only part of my empire. If you were smart, you'd know that.

Uh, no. I'm trying to have fun. And CFEI isn't the only part of my empire. If you were smart, you'd know that.

...thanks for the flame. Now just stop it and respond.

@Kroando: How precisely are nukes supposed to chain-detonate when the pits, required to be shoved together by explosives for critical mass, are themselves being destroyed by the fireballs of this chain-detonation?

If these nukes were to detonate one after the other, both our forces would be negated by tremendous EMPs.

Also:
Side note, it is sad how this war has so quickly devolved into a 'NUKE YOUZ!' contest. It is not fun, nor entertaining, and fun was you goal, was it not?

Well, what would you prefer? Or rather, what were you expecting?

@TFEI: Um, I haven't any forces in Atlantania. And you've fired missiles at hulks that were once ships.

@Kroando: How precisely are nukes supposed to chain-detonate when the pits, required to be shoved together by explosives for critical mass, are themselves being destroyed by the fireballs of this chain-detonation?

If these nukes were to detonate one after the other, both our forces would be negated by tremendous EMPs.
I think this is all a bit confused, mainly due to my post form. My 'chain detonations', were supposed to be my nukes going - boom, boom, boom... one nuke would be more than enough to knock out dozens of yours.

Regardless of whether or not the next nukes being destroyed would also go nuclear, the original nuclear explosions would be more than enough to destroy your missile waves.

And the EMP waves do not extend hundreds of kilometers away, which is where the nukes are going off. The EMP waves are too far away to nuetralize my fleet.

Well, what would you prefer? Or rather, what were you expecting?
Good RP.

I think this is all a bit confused, mainly due to my post form. My 'chain detonations', were supposed to be my nukes going - boom, boom, boom... one nuke would be more than enough to knock out dozens of yours.

Regardless of whether or not the next nukes being destroyed would also go nuclear, the original nuclear explosions would be more than enough to destroy your missile waves.

And the EMP waves do not extend hundreds of kilometers away, which is where the nukes are going off. The EMP waves are too far away to nuetralize my fleet.

Ah. That was a tad confusing.

Good RP.

Needless to say, I don't know what you believe "Good RP" to be. So I guess I can't really help there.

TFEI, I'll get to the bombers, but my C-17s are not even close to Neo Savannah yet. They just started moving out.