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The Great Charter of the Confederate Nations

Preamble:

We, the governments and people of the sovereign nations and empires of the world, in order to establish an effective Alliance, better the level of sentient rights in the world, to work cooperatively toward a brighter future, to provide for the common defense and general welfare of all nations within this Alliance, do herby ordain and establish this charter for the Confederate Nations.

Article I:
All nations within this Alliance shall be represented in the Senate and Council of this Alliance.

All nations regardless of size, population or age shall hereby be represented by two Senators elected by the common vote of the people or by the appointment of the government of the nation they reside therein. The Alliance shall henceforth set no requirements for the Senators of nations to this alliance; those shall be determined by the nation of which the said Senators are citizens of. This Alliance shall also form a legislative branch for settlements of legal matters between members and between members and nonmembers.

All nations which are members of this alliance are to have appointed one Councilman per every one hundred million citizens of that nation; however, every nation regardless of population shall have at least one Councilman.

This alliance shall be lead by a President whom will be appointed by the Senate of this Alliance and the Senate alone. The President of the Confederate Nations will represent their nation as the head of this alliance.

Section A:
The powers of the Senate are to appoint a President by popular vote, to impeach the President with proper cause and by popular vote, to vote in passing resolutions affecting member nations, and to vote on amendments to this Charter.

Section B:
The powers of the Council are to vote in passing resolutions affecting member nations and to vote on resolutions affecting member nations.

Section C:
The powers of the President of this Alliance are to pass or veto resolutions affecting member nations, propose resolutions affecting member nations, and to serve as chief ambassador of this Alliance.

Section D:
The powers of any individual Senator or Councilman of this alliance are to vote on resolutions and amendments by voice of their nation and to propose resolutions and amendments to be voted on by the Senate and Council.

Section E:
The legislative branch of this Alliance shall be appointed by the Senate of the Alliance by popular vote. There shall be nine justices appointed to the legislative branch and the legislative branch shall settle disputes in a court in international territory.

Article II:
All nations within this alliance shall henceforth recognize all other member nations’ sovereignty and independence.

Section A:
All member nations of this alliance shall recognize the sovereignty and existence of the following alliances:
The Utopian Commonwealth
The Hegemony
The United Civil Rights Alliance
The United Federation of Allied Nations
The Questerian Commonwealth
GUSN
Golgoth
NATO
Sovereign League
ACTO
ACA
The Soviet Commonwealth
The Corporate Alliance
The Coalition of Allied Powers
The Mekugian Commonwealth

Article III:
It is herby set forth that a it is an individual nation’s sovereign right to elect to choose what it will to be declared as sentient life. There shall herby be no discrimination of any species regarded as sentient life in a member nation regardless of species.

Section A:
Biocide of any sort shall hereby be banned in any member nation. The conducting of any such mass killing of life is terms for expulsion from this alliance and the proper conduct of this alliance to bring said biocide to an abrupt and total end.

Section B:
Any member nation shall have basic sentient rights. There shall be no violation of basic sentient rights. All member nations shall sign of the Theeb Accords.

Article IV:
Any war like aggression towards a member nation of this alliance shall be viewed as an attack on the alliance as a whole and shall not be taken lightly. As war is a horrid thing, this alliance shall always try a diplomatic compromise before rushing into war. If no compromise can be reached then war will commence on the alliances or nations fighting against the member nation.

Section A: It should be noted that if a member nation is the aggressor then it shall be optional but justified for another member nation to go to war against a common enemy.

Section B:
The use of weapons of mass destruction by nations of this alliance for any purpose without alliance approval.

Section C:
Section B may be overlooked in the event that an alliance nation is directly attacked by a known enemy with sufficient evidence that such an attack has happened by said nation may launch a retaliatory attack without alliance permission.

Section D:
Weapons of mass destruction must always be used in reservation when they must be used. (i.e.: No Glassing)

Article V:
All nations of this alliance will recognize the importance of environmental preservation and care.

Article VI:
All member nations of this alliance shall donate 0.05% of their military forces to form a Confederate Nations Rapid Aid Force to respond to incidents concerning the alliance worldwide.

Amendments:


[U]Member Nations and Empires:

The Confederate States of the Far Echo Islands
The United Federal Kingdom of St Samuel
The Confederacy of Zepplonicia
The Imperial Democracy of Cazelia
The Kiravian Empire
The Principality of Akronis
The Empire of The Order of America
The Principality of Fordock
The Democratic State of Naasha
The Confederacy of Shesharlie
The Holy Empire of Lord Sumguy
The United States of Zoingo
The Dictatorship of Greal
The Confederacy of Liberal Men and Women
The Dominion of Kleomenes
The Confederacy of DCalhoun
The People's Republic of Alfegos
The United States of Cookesland

[[Reserved for Rapid Aid Force details.]]

OOC: What, you dont recognize the GUSN, Golgoth, NATO, Sovereign League, ACTO, ACA or the Soviet Commonwealth?

The United Federal Kingdom of St Samuel wish to apply to become a member of the Confederate Nations.

The Confederacy of Zepplonicia wishes to apply to become a member of the Confederate Nations.

The Imperial Democracy shall join

The Kiravian Empire will most certainly join.

The Tyrannical Mandalorian Empire mocks this crap of a document, failing to note many large alliances like the Corporate Alliance and the NATO, replacing them with baby alliances, most notably the Hegemony.

May all the members of this ill-conceived alliance suffer the pain of a thousand deaths.

~The Mandalore.
-Supreme Ruler of the Tyrannical Mandalorian Empire.

The Tyrannical Mandalorian Empire mocks this crap of a document, failing to note many large alliances like the Corporate Alliance and the NATO, replacing them with baby alliances, most notably the Hegemony.

May all the members of this ill-conceived alliance suffer the pain of a thousand deaths.

~The Mandalore.
-Supreme Ruler of the Tyrannical Mandalorian Empire.

(OOC: Too mean! :P)

Message from the Toopoxican Capitolist Republic

Toopoxia does not wish to sign this alliance, merely to comment on its existence, we feel that its articles are far too constricting for a nation such as ours, but we are not about to fray our diplomatic reputation over your alliance, we wish the member states the best of luck in future endavours and that our guns never clash.

Signed,
Consul Gallus Raexe.

The Principality of Akronis hereby applies to join the Confederate Alliance.

My Nation Wishes to Join in order to Provide a more peaceful envirament for all Nations

Sincerely,
Jefferson Davis
Supreme Emperor of The OoA
High Chairman of The Supreme Governing Council

Fordock wishes to establish friendly relationships with this entity but not necessarily join. We also wish to have observer status in meetings due to our close ties with some of the members.

Sincerely

Aukron Mekhrat
Minister of Diplomacy
The Principality of Fordock

Official Message

I have read the charter of the Confederate Nations and I find it to be the most suitable to Naasha I have yet to come across.

The Democratic State of Naasha would like to apply to join this alliance and add our weight to the nations already signing.

Signed,
Darren Renner.
Prime Minister of the Democratic State of Naasha.

The Confederacy of Shesharlie wishes to join this alliance

Signed,
Walter Thanopolus
Secretary of State

I propose a new flag. This one may tie us to ideologies counter to our aims, such as slavery and disunity.

ooc: I will edit in several of the alliances mentioned here, if you have any other ones that I missed, just say so, I really didn't spend a lot of time on that part, I just put the first few that came to mind, my mind, which really, doesn't know about a lot of the numerous alliances floating around here(could someone tell me what some of those abbreviations stand for). Also, thanks to Taerkasten for the modified flag.

SIC:
It is my reccomendation that the Kiravians do the flag making as they are the ones who run the flag storefront. Others, though, are encourgaged to submit ideas and designs. Also all nations that have applied have been accepted.

We of Zoingo would like join this alliance but we have a few things we wanted to bring up.

1. We suggest a judiciary branch to interpret the articles to see fit, a constant quabbling over nations as to how a law works out should be left to people who have a extreme knoledge of the articles and how they work

2. Some sort of Basic Ammendments section should be added, and a suggestion as to go into more detail of rights of the countries in the confederacy.

3. We would like to host the very first meeting soon so a president can be elected

OOC - Just reminding you Fordock request permanent observer status at all meetings.

We will get to work on several design concepts for the new flag immediately.

Member nations are encouraged to submit any ideas or proposals upon its vexillography.

[[900th Post!!!]]

The Holy Empire of Lord Sumguy wishes to join the Confederate Nations, as long as it is understood that the decisions of the Hegemony will be honored over that of the Confederacy if they should conflict.

-Lord Sumguy, Hegemon

Welcome to the CN, Lord Sumguy.

Akronis, your flag idea is great! I'll work on it, and include it in my proposal gallery

|OOC: Why not put in colors and decorations from all nations in the alliance?|

Akronis has this idea (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g232/BLJ_422/Other%20Images/Flag.png) for a flag design, however this is just a rough design, we do not have the means to create an actual one. Perhaps the new flag could be along these lines?

I propose a new flag. This one may tie us to ideologies counter to our aims, such as slavery and disunity.

This is very true. The Confederacy of Shesharlie is strongly against slavery. Although disunity is kinda close to what a Confederacy is, it is not the image Shesharlie wishes to carry.

|OOC: Why not put in colors and decorations from all nations in the alliance?|

that's a good idea!

I was actually thinking along similar lines, but my idea- putting whole flags in some sort of arrangement seemed a little bit out there. My idea would have created problems as more and more members joined in, and their flag wasn't added in.

The Holy Republic of Blue Bats recognizes this alliance, but thinks that the restrictions are too binding. Therefore, we will not join.
Best of luck to all member nations, and may we not clash arms.

The most Pious and Holy Head Bat Priest Ferdinad Marcello

ooc: I will edit in several of the alliances mentioned here, if you have any other ones that I missed, just say so, I really didn't spend a lot of time on that part, I just put the first few that came to mind, my mind, which really, doesn't know about a lot of the numerous alliances floating around here(could someone tell me what some of those abbreviations stand for).

Coalition of Allied Powers, please. After all, you're protected by them via the annexation.

Akronis has this idea (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g232/BLJ_422/Other%20Images/Flag.png) for a flag design, however this is just a rough design, we do not have the means to create an actual one. Perhaps the new flag could be along these lines?

ooc: Sweet design, just need to make the star a little sharper, less pixely. We'll see what Kirav does with it.

I currently have 9 designs for the CN flag. I'll Photobucket them tonight, and post them on the forum. I'd do it now, but I'm very busy setting up new NSwiki articles for the Kiravian colonies, and editing the one for New Harbour.

The Dictatorship of Greal would also like to join the Confederate Nations.

The Dictatorship of Greal would also like to join the Confederate Nations.

Kirav, just a reminder about the Vexillogical Storefront, particulary my flag design. You can take your time-ish, as I wouln't be here till sunday.

Oooh. HTat doesn't work out well, as I'll be gone on Saturday.

It's mostly done, so I'll put it up in a jiff.

The Dictatorship of Greal wuld also like to join the Confederate Nations.

As it is a dictatorship, we would like to know a little more abotu Greal, namely, the ammount of civil rights it gives its citizens.

As it is a dictatorship, we would like to know a little more abotu Greal, namely, the ammount of civil rights it gives its citizens.

OOC:Acutally I never really throught about civil rights in Greal until now.

We do allow people to vote in Mayor elections, but thats a political freedom



Civil rights: Greal does treat its people nicely, we welcome foreignors to stay in Greal (I'm not sure what foreignors would do after the Embassy avenue massacre (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538579).) What do you want to know about in Greal?

As a Greal citizen:

◊ Would I be able to criticize the government?

◊Would I be able to travel abroad with out major state processing?

◊Would I be able to view what digital and written materials I wanted?

◊Would I be able to protest?

◊Would I be able to work and sell freely to support my family?

◊WOuld I need government permission to raise a child, engage in mating, purchase a home, or acquire medical care?

◊WOuld I be permitted to eat trans fat, sell violent video games to children, say the word "bitch", or paint my house bright purple?

◊Would I need state permission to attain dual citizenship or immigrate to another nation?

◊Would I be able to worship/beleive/preach of/ socially acknowledge the god, gods, forces, spirits, concepts, or lack thereof that I believe in?

FEI, what were you going to say?

◊ Would I be able to criticize the government? No, the Government will problarly throw you to Jail

◊Would I be able to travel abroad with out major state processing? Yes

◊Would I be able to view what digital and written materials I wanted? Yes, though government information is classifed and militayr information is also classfied.

◊Would I be able to protest? no, the last time that happened, 220,000 people were acdiently massacred.

◊Would I be able to work and sell freely to support my family? Yes

◊WOuld I need government permission to raise a child, engage in mating, purchase a home, or acquire medical care? Yes

◊WOuld I be permitted to eat trans fat, sell violent video games to children, say the word "bitch", or paint my house bright purple? yes for violent videogames, even though if you say a bad word, you are not going to get much respect in Greal.

◊Would I need state permission to attain dual citizenship or immigrate to another nation? Yes

◊Would I be able to worship/beleive/preach of/ socially acknowledge the god, gods, forces, spirits, concepts, or lack thereof that I believe in? There is no reglion in Greal actually.

I was going to accept him, as I've been very liberal with who I let in so far, but I am quite intrested to see his answers to your form. It poses some good questions, I've been considering banning trans fat in my nation my self...

We have now decided to join the confederacy, but we ask that our proposals be reviewed.

Accidentally massacred........ Mmnmkaaaayy.

I'm a social libertarian who thinks that the government should not give a shit about profanity. [No pun intended] Nor should it give a shit about how you choose to display your house, wear in public, speak, believe, behave, who you sleep with, how you make a living, nor what you eat, as long as it doesn't harm others.

So thus, my standards of freedom are pretty dman high.

So what do you think about letting Greal in? I say maybe if he'll let folks criticize the gov't, it'll be fine.
Also, Zoingo is in, and your proposals have been noted. (I'll work on it tommorow.)

The United Socialist States of Bynamar would like to have a membership in this orginization. Any more detailes needed, just ask.

I say we should let Greal in, but as you said, if he allows some freedom of expression sans the massacres. Otherwise, he seems to be a somwehat decent dictatorship.

Vontanas, here's your flag concept, please refer any editions you want to the storefront.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/Glyphick47/GreatVantania.gif

It's not of my devisation. I was rather confised with the design, so I urge Vontanas to point out any corrections necessary.

Well, the flag looks...........interesting

Wow. THis page of the thread is officially declared Spam-in-da-Can. No more Spam pleaze.

So, can Greal join?

Yes.

The Confederacy of Liberal Men and Women would like to petition the Confederate Nations for membership.

"I am astonished to see so many nations flocking to join this new alliance. For this so-called alliance, dedicated to the preservation of the sovereignty of its members, was founded by a nation that will surrender its own sovereignty to the very first threat that rears its head (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538646), without even putting up a fight! What manner of support can one possibly expect to receive from a nation that will not even dare to defend themselves? Everything the Far Echo Islands touches will be tainted by their apathy and cowardice, and I implore all honourable beings to avoid such ill-fated contact."

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Clan Leader Bonfaaz Burntfur
United Clans of the Charr

Liberal Men and Women, you may certainly join.
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The Charr, the Empire understands your reasoning, but we must inform you that the CFEI had been heavily damaged in a war, and with most of its allies overextended, and its own military resources drained, it needed some form of protection.

It still does maintain a great deal of sovereignity.

"If one cannot fight to the death for one's own honour and freedom, what can one fight for? And while I am certain that they retain some token sovereignty, one must remember that even a slave without a leash is still a slave nevertheless."

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Clan Leader Bonfaaz Burntfur
United Clans of the Charr

Liberal Men and Women, you may certainly join.
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The Charr, the Empire understands your reasoning, but we must inform you that the CFEI had been heavily damaged in a war, and with most of its allies overextended, and its own military resources drained, it needed some form of protection.

It still does maintain a great deal of sovereignity.

The Democratic Republic of Crados wishes to join The Confederation of Nations.

We welcome Crados to the CN.
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The Charr, CFEI will regain its soveriegnty in the near future, it has already been planned. Kirav shares your views on honour and combat, but the CFEi does not, and we should respect that.

We welcome Crados to the CN.
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The Charr, CFEI will regain its soveriegnty in the near future, it has already been planned. Kirav shares your views on honour and combat, but the CFEi does not, and we should respect that.

"Indeed. And I merely state that, while respecting that, one should also bear in mind that it sets a precedent which could well be repeated in the future. Something to contemplate when seeking allies, if nothing more..."

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Clan Leader Bonfaaz Burntfur
United Clans of the Charr

"Indeed. And I merely state that, while respecting that, one should also bear in mind that it sets a precedent which could well be repeated in the future. Something to contemplate when seeking allies, if nothing more..."

Understood.
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The Charr, the Empire understands your reasoning, but we must inform you that the CFEI had been heavily damaged in a war, and with most of its allies overextended, and its own military resources drained, it needed some form of protection.

It still does maintain a great deal of sovereignity.

Indeed it does. The government of CFEI has been preserved and maintained. We're rather saddened that the Charr seems to think us evil imperialists or some such thing, which we are not.

As stated sometime before, we believe CFEI needed a steadfast defender, and we could think of no other way. No harm will come to CFEI or its peoples, we will make sure of that.

Other than that, you may register complaints at the Proconsul's office.

OOC: It was all planned via TeleGrams and whatnot. CFEI had plenty of time to refuse.

That, and I plan on being as nice as I can.

The Confederacy of Shesharlie states:

We are rather confused as to who may or may not join this alliance. Noted that it is an alliance with the title of CONFEDERATE NATIONS, Shesharlie is confused as to why this alliance is open to accepting oppressive dictatorships, such as Greal.

We understand how nations may express kindness and general diplomacy by letting such events happen, but if this alliance is to succeed, then Shesharlie is rather unclear as to how success can be accomplished if Confederate nations are mixed with others with different values and beliefs.

That said, Shesharlie proposes that the Confederate Nations outline more specific qualifications to joining this alliance. If this alliance is to be taken seriously, we need to take membership acceptances seriously.

Walter Thanopolus
Secretary of State
The Confederacy of Shesharlie

Indeed it does. The government of CFEI has been preserved and maintained. We're rather saddened that the Charr seems to think us evil imperialists or some such thing, which we are not.

As stated sometime before, we believe CFEI needed a steadfast defender, and we could think of no other way. No harm will come to CFEI or its peoples, we will make sure of that.

Other than that, you may register complaints at the Proconsul's office.

OOC: It was all planned via TeleGrams and whatnot. CFEI had plenty of time to refuse.

That, and I plan on being as nice as I can.

If my memory serves correct, you distincitively said you would "use force aganist the people of the Far Echo Islands". We don't think of you directly as imperalists, but you have violated our rights of free trade with one of our allies, and have denied us from sending aid to him just because we told you that you shouldn't go and stomp on the Maldorians. Its just common sense that if the stomping on them occures, it usually involves a war, or a big nuclear glassing. All we did is try to warn you.

Sheasharlie, your idea is indeed quite valid. It is neccessary to the succes of the CN to keep its membership sound and stable. I know not why CFEI wished to accept Greal, but the questionnaire submitted to him made him seem decent enough, and he was admitted under the condition that he cease massacres and grant some freedom of expression.

Again, though, I believe your point to be correct. Please bring it up when we have the first official Senate meeting of the CN, as I believe it should be heard and discussed by all members in a proper context.

The Dominion of Kleomenes would join this alliance.

As per the treaty, 10,000 freshly trained soldiers armed with P90's and ERYX Anti-Tank Guided Missiles shall be allocated to the CNRAF immediately.

Senators: Bartholomew Caesar, Shandra Blair

Councillor: Mila Cassel

Grand Dictator Mali Wallok, Dominion of Kleomenes

Fordock is still requesting permanent observer status.

To the CN,
High King Tirus has considered the invitation to join the CN that he recieved from the government of Kirav. While he believes that this could become a powerful alliance, he must decline membership at this time, as membership in this union would conflict with Tirus's other plans. However, he will offer military support in the form of construction, repairs, and refits for CN member navies via the Delkorian Iron Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528075). Again, Tirus is sorry, but he must decline membership. We hope that this doesn't dappen future relations between Imperial Delkor and its allies in the CN. Thank you.

Thioden, Speaker for the High King
Imperial Kingdom of Delkor

Us Texas boys shall join to

Confederate Nation Alliance,

We sit here and watch the formation of yet another alliance of new nations, and wonder why. Do you not realize that there are single nations in the world that dwarf your combined strength? Common sense would dictate that newer, smaller nations do their damndest to align themselves with large, powerful countries.

We hope you succeed, and survive. Situations in strategic areas of the world are in their beginning stages, and have the potential to explode over their stated borders and involve numerous countries, even alliances.

We wish you well....but wishing never got anybody anywhere. We hope your'e prepared.


regards,

Nithael, King of Ausculta

its simple

http://www.historical-flag.com/downloads/bonnieblue.gif

maybe too simple...No offense, but Kirav is really good with flags, His stuff will prolly be up tomorrow, I want to see what he has done. oh, and who ever asked is accepted.

If my memory serves correct, you distincitively said you would "use force aganist the people of the Far Echo Islands". We don't think of you directly as imperalists, but you have violated our rights of free trade with one of our allies, and have denied us from sending aid to him just because we told you that you shouldn't go and stomp on the Maldorians. Its just common sense that if the stomping on them occures, it usually involves a war, or a big nuclear glassing. All we did is try to warn you.

OOC: I figured someone would bring that up. It's for IC purposes. If he suddenly changed his mind, what was I to do? Shrug and go away?

IC: Your rights will be returned to you shortly.

Confederate Nation Alliance,

We sit here and watch the formation of yet another alliance of new nations, and wonder why. Do you not realize that there are single nations in the world that dwarf your combined strength? Common sense would dictate that newer, smaller nations do their damndest to align themselves with large, powerful countries.

We hope you succeed, and survive. Situations in strategic areas of the world are in their beginning stages, and have the potential to explode over their stated borders and involve numerous countries, even alliances.

We wish you well....but wishing never got anybody anywhere. We hope your'e prepared.


regards,

Nithael, King of Ausculta

We select nations, not upon thier military power, but upon their integrity and ideology. Yes, we are aware that the entire alliance could be defeated by a single, very large, nation, but the same could be said of numerous others. As the CN grows, so will the power and number of the nations within it.
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On Flags:

I'll have the first 10 design concepts up in a minute.

Alfegos wishes to know the alliance position on:

UFAN
UN
NATO
Hegemony
The Free World Alliance
Imperialism
Genocide
WMDs
Capitalism
EVIL (before it was disbanded)

TaDa!
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This one is my personal favourite. We can also add emblems in the red field around the main insignia.
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Of course, these are just concept sketches, so please suggest editions and such.

I agree, I like the last one best too. I'll put it up in a minute.

Excellent. Glad you liked it.

I agree, I like the last one best too. I'll put it up in a minute.

Me too, but I also like #'s 3,6, and 9

The NSwiki page has been created.

i like the last one to

That is a good idea. It'd show that we are, indeed, a COnfederacy of different nations in one alliance, different symbols on one flag.

It might get complicated when we gain more members, and all of the symbols would have to be pretty basic to look good on the flag, and to have good vexillogical harminocs.

how bout we put a symbol of each nation in the red field if thats cool so each nation in the alliance pic a symbol n.s. approprriate of course so yea

wat yall think

K then, we jave your naval emblem(which is pretty cool btw), my 4-pointed star, what else?

That is a good idea. It'd show that we are, indeed, a COnfederacy of different nations in one alliance, different symbols on one flag.

It might get complicated when we gain more members, and all of the symbols would have to be pretty basic to look good on the flag, and to have good vexillogical harminocs.

I agree it might be complicated, but it would look cool.

for me take the symbol from my Navy jack, of course, make it some what smaller.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/The_Far_Echo_Islands/Other/cfeijack2.png

how about St. George's cross for me?

how about St. George's cross for me?


THat'd actually fit well with the red, kinda like a negative space thing.
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Fordock, I'll address that in a minute

Fordock has reconsidered and elected to join this alliance on the condition that Fordock has the power to support rebel groups against oppressive states that have committed human rights violations, defend states attacked for no reason, Defend other allies not in this treaty, and have the power to help a government put down a rebellion if the rebellion commits violation of human rights or takes place in a Fordockian Ally.

That said if we manage to join we would like a yellow sun on the flag as our symbol.

Outstanding flag design! I also like #9. My symbol would be the sun from the Macedonian flag. Off to check out the new wiki page.

if yall do it just put a Bass or a white tail deer for me

All symbols have been acknowledged. It'll take me about a week to find and process them, so expect it by then.

Shesharlie would like to submit its emblem of the Golden Eagle to be added on the flag.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5905/eagleemblemyw8.jpg

OOC: if possible, could the words on the tail area be removed? Thanks.

Shesharlie would like to submit its emblem of the Golden Eagle to be added on the flag.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5905/eagleemblemyw8.jpg

OOC: if possible, could the words on the tail area be removed? Thanks.

Quite possible. Nice Eagle by the way.

Mine is the Eagle with the sword and the olive branch aka Us emblem (couldn't think of anything else at the time sooo...)

I believe that we should have an offsite forum for the alliance, so that this thread remains uncluttered for new members to apply. It's also good if we want to keep the CN's internal politics private. Other alliances have done such.

I agree, but I have NO experiance with making an offsite forum, I'll leave it up to you or someone else who'll volunteer.

OOC - Sounds like a good idea. Use Invasion boards.

Here it is:

Forum (http://z3.invisionfree.com/Confederate_Nations/index.php)

much sweetness

OOC - First post in the new forum looks awesome. Anyhow my membership request has been moved there.

What is your alliance position on:
EVIL
UFAN
UN
The Free World Alliance
Hegemony

Capitalism
Imperialism
Democracy
Communism

What is your alliance position on:


EVIL: Negative, but it doesn't matter much anymore now, does it?
UFAN: None Yet
UN: That is the decision of the member nations. the CN itself is nonaligned in that respect.
The Free World Alliance: Positive.They have noble motives.
Hegemony: Very Positive. In fact, a partnership between the CN and the Hegemony is being discussed with Lord Sumguy.

Capitalism: We are not an economic alliance, so this is up to each member.
Imperialism: Some members practice it. It is their right to do so.
Democracy: Strongly for it
Communism: It is up to the members. However, Communist states that violate our positions on Democracy and Civil RIghts are viewed negatively.

OOC: I am deciding to do a Coup D'Etat by a radical offshoot of the current party in power (the Blue Party) called the Cyans. This will be the straw which broke the camel's back. It makes for a good RP and a reason to change my nation leader's name ot something more Uir.

IC:

The North Parliamentary Republic of Uiri would like to join this fine confederation. Uiri shall decide on its own its position in various conflict and should we end up on opposite sides, we would like to suspend our membership pending the result of the conflict. Could the Uir symbol on the flag be a miniature version of the Uir Flag?

Edward Forgul

Your request for membership has been acknowledged. However, we are currently drawing up criteria to qualify prospective members. THis should not take long, and in the meantime, we welcome you as an observer until the results are finalized.

In that case, the People's republic of Alfegos wishes to lodge a membership application.

It is a good idea for the Hemegony to meet up with the CN.

In that case, the People's republic of Alfegos wishes to lodge a membership application.

Excellent. I know Alfegos to be an honourable nation, but asa a formality, could you give us a short overview of Alfegosian civil and political freedoms?

Civil freedoms: verygood, with no opression.
Political Freedoms: All people have a vote, sufferage is 16 years of age, major decision ahve a public vote.

Perfect. Welcome to the CN, Alfegos.

It is a good idea for the Hemegony to meet up with the CN.

Thanks. It is going well, by the way.

May I OOCly ask why you let Alfegos in right away but not me?

I made a new thread in the military command subforum.

I have started a poll on the BL Calizorinstan hostilities. Please vote.

Purely due to legislation, Uiri. When you applied, we had no cirteria even though of, when Alfegos applied, we did. Political Oversight.

Please give us an overview of your civil and political freedoms, as Alfegos did, and you'll be admitted.

Just a note: Now Greal is a Imperial Dictatorship.

Akimonad officially requests permanent observer status.

Banned:

Cheese
Most drugs, the exceptions being alcohol, caffeine and tobacco
Polygamy
Slavery
Littering
Unisex bathrooms
Sexual activities where one partner either a)doesn't give consent or b)under 15
Nudity in public places
Driving over 80 km/h on regular streets, 140 km/h on the highway or 110km/h on no road
Publicisation of any industry accept basic healthcare, the police force and the military
Natrulization (special visa if you have a child born on Uir soil and live in Uiri)

Allowed:

Guns(must be 18+)
Alcohol(must be 18+)
Driving (must be at least 1.6 m/5' 4'' tall)
Voting(you must if you are over 18. You can't if you are under 18))
Death Penalty(must have DNA evidence or 100+ witnesses)
to worship as a member of any faith
Pornography(must be 18+)
Prostitution(partners must be 18+)
Homosexuality
stem cell research
human cloning
Cock Fighting
Hunting(not in the rainforest)
Fishing
eating your catch
Gay Marriage (It's called civil union)
abortion

....cheese?

Greal's change of title is noted. It will be revised on the list as soon as CFEI reads of it.
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THe AKimonadite request for observer status is granted.
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Uiri is granted membership. But,..cheese?

This is why:

http://www.jasperfforde.com/specops/cheese_classa.html

The natives of Uiri found the substance horrid when it was introduced by the French. Different Uir tried all 250+ types of French cheese and found each one quite horrid. Alas, it was forced upon the Uir with the establishment of Uiri as a colony of France. When the people did revolt to French rule they created the Cheese Banning Act of 1804 and banned all forms of milk curds and the process of coagulating milk.

Also, personally I just don't like cheese.

This is why:

http://www.jasperfforde.com/specops/cheese_classa.html

**gasps** Terrifying! **preforms citizen's arrest on a nearby wedge of Gouda**

Akimonad hereby requests full membership.

Official Communique

The United States of Cookesland would like to request observer status to this alliance and possibly become a full member in time.

Steven Andolor
Secretary of State

We know Cookesland to be a noble nation. Your status is granted.

However, the forums have recently come under attack from some perverted spammer, and the site has been locked.

We know Cookesland to be a noble nation. Your status is granted.

However, the forums have recently come under attack from some perverted spammer, and the site has been locked.

Ahem. I applied.

The Dictatorship of Skylar Ferguson shall join.

Dictator: Skylar Ferguson
Senator1: Jeff Roush
Senator2: Julian Rochelle
Concilman: Mikey Roersma

Ahem. I applied.
Must've been a warp. Could you please give us an overview of your Civil rights and freedoms as Uiri did?
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Skylar Ferguson, I don't believe that you fit into the membership citeria laid out by the CN. COuld you deatail your civil and political rights for us, please?

Must've been a warp. Could you please give us an overview of your Civil rights and freedoms as Uiri did?


Allowed:
Everything, except...

Banned:
Sedition, Treason, Other Anti-Government Actvities (Not that there are any anyway.)

Now, that's the government's standpoint. Don't blame us if you get lynched for public nudity or anything. That's the mob's stance.

I see. Is the government the actual state and seat of power, or is the mob?
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BTW The forums are now unlocked.

Changes:

Guests have been disabled
Observer members cannot vote in polls
A new moderator has been added
A new validation system is in place.

I see. Is the government the actual state and seat of power, or is the mob?

The government. Rarely does a mob form.

Very well. How is your human rights history?

An attempted Coup D'Etat has left Edward Forgul dead. There was much controversy over Uiri joining in the first place and so the new temporary dictator is temporarily withdrawing Uiri from the Confederate Nations.

OOC: Uiri will return after the temporary dictator is killed/arrested/put out of power.

Our membership criteria mandate that there be no human rights breaches under rule of the current applicant government. What was the most recent breach of Human rights?

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The Uir withdrawl is noted. We hope that we can once again welcome you amongst the ranks of the CN. Until your return, Uiri will be considered a suspended member.

-EDIT-
GOddamn warps!

Very well. How is your human rights history?

Uh... there really is none. No news is good news.

Of course, NS says my citizens are "relatively unoppressed" and it's been that way since founding.

Our membership criteria mandate that there be no human rights breaches under rule of the current applicant government. What was the most recent breach of Human rights?

There hasn't been any.

OOC Relating to Forums - Just telling everyone I'm the new mod and I have way too much time on my hands. So I'll probably catch you. I also unlocked some topics that somehow got locked and locked all the stickies to make sure there isn't any clutter. Anyhow when you see a poll make sure that you state your representatives because the whole point is that nations with larger populations can do more and make a bigger deal.

Check the fourm.........I definitly need help

p.s. its in the war section

Yeah I see it. First you lack a socialist faction. Second I'm not sure who to support so I'm waiting for a seconded response to make a poll on it.

I forgot the socialism while I was typing, I was doing two things at once and it slipped my mind.

Yes their is a socialist faction.

There hasn't been any.

THere have not been any breaches, or there have not been any Human Rights?

THere have not been any breaches, or there have not been any Human Rights?

Um, breaches.

Ah..Sorry about that. I was just having a bit of trouble understanding. Have you been involved militarily against any current CN member, excluding the CFEI?

Ah..Sorry about that. I was just having a bit of trouble understanding. Have you been involved militarily against any current CN member, excluding the CFEI?

(You could have just asked these all at the same time. o_O)

No.

We wish to apply to join the Confederate Nations, our Human Rights history is spotless, we have not been involved in any military action against any of the members of this organization. Our government is a democracy, I am currently serving my fourth and last term as president.

Sincerely,

President Jack.R Arnold
Calizorinstan

(You could have just asked these all at the same time. o_O)

No.

there was that invasion you, Vetalia, and BL were attempting until AMF intervened....

there was that invasion you, Vetalia, and BL were attempting until AMF intervened....

It was all retconned, and does not exist in an IC sense.

Kirav, I think we need to make a new CN thread.

You can do the honours, Greal. Make the thread, it certainly is needed.
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Calizornistan, You seem fine by our formal criteria, and perfectly eligible for membership. However, concerns have been voiced about risk to the CN by your current military policy. It is known that you have many large enemies that this alliance would be bound to defend you from, and most likely be critically dmaged or outright destroyed in the process. What say you?

Strike that. THe new thread has been made.

Ah. Oh well. CFEI 'll fix it when he beats Halo, or whatever he's up to.

In Article 2 Section A you seemed to leave out the Trade Union.....

*Rises heroically from under pile of posts*

ok, everyone except caliz and Akim have been accepted as far as I know. Can someone give me a link to the new thread? OMG forums! I'll be back on tomorrow with more info.

You can do the honours, Greal. Make the thread, it certainly is needed.
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Calizornistan, You seem fine by our formal criteria, and perfectly eligible for membership. However, concerns have been voiced about risk to the CN by your current military policy. It is known that you have many large enemies that this alliance would be bound to defend you from, and most likely be critically dmaged or outright destroyed in the process. What say you?

I have the UFAN, the Soviet Commonwealth, the GDI, and the Hegemony to assist me, so you wouldn't be alone in defending me, because I have a large list of allies.

~Official Imperial Democracy Message~

The Imperial democracy has hereby announced that production rights for the Hasley class SD have been issued to all CN members other than Skylar Fergouson.

Sincerely,
James Hogart
~Secretary's Aide~

Skylar Fregusson is not a CN member.

Skylar Fergusson is still on the list of members.

[You should probably recognize the existence of the Mekugian Commonwealth. >_>]

The member list says he is

That's definately a mistake. He was never admitted.
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Izistan, what is this Mekugian Commonwealth which seeks recognition?

yes

yes

Yes to what?

Yes to what?
yes to the recognition

Mnkay. I don't see why not. THe Mekugian Commonwealth is hereby recognized by the COnfederate Nations.

Yes,SF was a mistake, I took a couple of names and did not notice that one in there...oops...

anyway, what is the "Trade Union" mentioned on Page 10?

I'll add the MC right away.

People who are members of this alliance need to be more active on the forums. If you don't post on the forums it is hard to plan or contribute. TG Kirav for a password to the Forums if you joined.

The link is this ("http://z3.invisionfree.com/Confederate_Nations)

Si. Fordock is correct. Getting onto the CN forums is important, as that way, you can be in on planning and politiks.

you can be in on planning and politiks.

:D politics

But what about Realpolitik?

But what about Realpolitik?

That one was in their too :eek: i didn't notice that one

link to forums is not working:mad:


Realpolitik, wtf mates?

Oh boo. Try the one on the NS page.

Forum Link (http://z3.invisionfree.com/Confederate_Nations/index.php)

As to realpolitik it is an English word that comes from German and it is the policy of making political decisions based on convenience and not Ideology. For example Nazi Germany allying with the Soviets is Realpolitik as it was good for both but counter to both their ideologies. If you say I'm going to defend this one nation no matter what just because they share my Ideology that would be the Anti-thesis of Realpolitik.

link to forums is not working:mad:

Invisionfree's server has been iffy.

bump

bump.

la bumpa

Dearest Confederates,

Once again to further my quest to be recognized as a serious up and coming nation on the world stage i would like to ask to be admitted as a member of the Confederacy, my population is booming my Government estimates that we will be able to meet your population requirements by Christmas,

Sincerely,
HIM Adam Gaultier
Chairman of the Surailian Imperial Council

QPC Yekatierina Lihodiev
Prime Minister

We approve of the Surailian application, the exact implications and power of Surailia in this alliance will be decided later.

Thank you, but can you please elaborate on what you just said For it has confused me

Thank you, but can you please elaborate on what you just said For it has confused me

ooc: basicly what it means is this alliance is past the point of me just shooing in members, and I need to consult with the other members before your are all the way in this alliance.

With respect to Surailia, I must disapprove of granting them full membership. ALthough they do have a decent economy, and their currency is worth more than that of most CN members (At least me, CFEI, Fordock), Surailia is still quite a new nation on the world stage. No offence meant, and we understand your desire for respect. Nonetheless, they have not given adequate proof that they have the capacity to fulfill the implications of full CN membership, nor that their government is responsible enough to be trusted with the highest power in a democratic polity: a vote.

We do NOT mean to say that Surailia is inept or irresponsible, we merely point out that we, as of yet, do not know.

Yet, it is due that we consider them as we would any other applicant.

Surailia, could you please describe the following:

What kind of government do you have? A democracy, a civilocracy?, a corporatist state?

What power do the People have in politics? And which people?

Are you über-Capitalist, Capitalist, Semi-Socialist, Socialist, or COmmunist?

If I were an average Surailian citizen, could I legally....

Vote?
Speak out against the government?
Protest?
Get an Abortion?
Kill a Dolphin?
Own and Carry a weapon?
Eat Trans-Fats?
Wear Baggy Jeans?
Use profanity in Public?
Sell or Work?
Have a fair trial?
Be put to death for a crime?
Practice a Religion?
Own Land?
Travel?
Immigrate to a Kiravian plantation colony as a contract labourer :) ?
Disregard school attendance?
Appear nude on a public steet?
Smoke in Public?
Have multiple wives?

What is your capital city?

Do you have a concept of human rights?

How corrupt is your government?

Would your government...

Create a colony?

COmmit genocide in a war?

Join the Corporate Alliance, E.V.I.L., or the SLave-Trading Union?

OOC: What, you dont recognize the GUSN, Golgoth, NATO, Sovereign League, ACTO, ACA or the Soviet Commonwealth?


Or GAPTS or the WWA?

Thank you Kirav,

(Ooc:sry about the whole island thing since then i have learned much)

Here is Yekaterina Lyhodiev with the answers to your questions

*Blonde woman steps up to podium*

What kind of government does surailia have?

Absolute Elective Monarchy would be the technical term i assume.... but the actual kind of government is nameless for it has grown out of early surailia and is an important part of what makes surailia, surailia

What power do the people have?

The Chairman has all the power in Surailia, but his advisory Council, the prime ministers(prime minister of the respective kingdom they belong to) are (as of recently) Elected by the people.

Surailian economy?

Surailia is proud to say they have a mixed economy of both state and privately owned enterprises.

An Average Surailian

....Can vote for their Regional government but not for our Chairman.
....Can Speak out and/or protest as long as it does not put any living creature in harm's way or can come to our parliament to complain...
....Can get an abortion as a last Resort...we do not support nor condemn them

....killing of animals is frowned apon but it is not illegal per say, unless protected ie:endangered animals, National Animal (killing our national animal is treason unless it is attacking you)
....Can own a weapon, but it must be registered and cannot have them in public place without permission and government protection
....Can eat whatever they want...unless otherwise asked by a doctor...or are trying to kill themselves
....Can wear whatever they want, unless it endangers someone/someones human rights
....profanity is profane for a reason but not grounds for an arrest
....sell or work? yes their property is their own unless repossessed by the government as for working...yes
....our court system seems as fair as it can get
....The death penalty: we have no formal opinion on it it varies from state to state
....Has Freedom of religion, unless it endangers someones human rights
....can buy and own land, but all land belongs to the Crown in the end.
....can leave Surailia as long as they are not a criminal and can stay out of Surailia unless requested back....then the situation changes from case to case
....I'm sure they can if it meats our labor laws
....All peoples in Surailia must have at least a grade 10 education 12 in Tikrit
....nudism is legal as of last week's legislation....but is still fairly taboo
....Surailia has yet to formalize an opinion on smoking but Smoking of Rec. Drugs is illegal in public, nicotine has yet to be decided as a Rec. Drug
....Polygamy is illegal for the reason that spreading of infections and inbreeding becomes more common along with polygamous relationships

What is Surailia's Capital

The Surailian Capital City is Beautiful Circa (sir-saa) On the River Cir

How Corrupt is the Government of Surailia?

We received an 7.5/10(low) rate of corruption...

With Regards to human rights

We do our best to make sure that everyone is protected but the fact is that no one is ever happy no matter how hard we try

We Would...

....We actually are trying to colonize an island in the Caribbean and are planing on a joint space colony.

....not commit genocide unless the specific race is posing a genuine treat to our people and/or country the 2 main races in surailia love each other and most other races save one or two hate groups....:( Sigh

....we have no received invites from these alliances....but from i can tell they are not in Surailian interest....

OOC: t's allright. We all have to learn somehow.

IC:

In its economy and government type, Surailia sems remarkably....Kirav-like.

Of course, there are vast differences, but we believe that, from what you have told us, your domestic policy is that of what the IIA refers to as a "Type-II Centrist Nation". Which, by us, is acceptable for membership, but of course, we'll have to vote.

What of your foriegn, military, and trade policies?

*The Chairman made a face and waved his hand in a dismissive manner (as if to say your my prime minister i don't keep a **** List of stuff around your supposed to do this for me....)*

"the blond woman moved towards the mike"

could you ask some less....vague questions please?

Who do you trade with?

Who are your allies?

What military engagements are/have you been involved in?

The New Surailian Government has broken all alliances with The allies of the previous USSR Controlled Regime in Soviet Surailia as well as trade alliances we are now re opening our borders to the world.

And in respect to your Questions about our military endeavors: We have not made any military ventures outside of Surailia

OOC: this isn't a double post i just need to get on the band wagon with joining the unions

So what do you guys think? Apart from RP ability (which i can improve on) i think I'm a good candidate for approval

The Kiravian Empire votes in favour of Surailian admission as per the Echoese endorsement.

The Imperial Dictatorship of Greal also votes in favour of Surailia's admission.

The Holy Empire votes in favor of Surailia's admission.

So, far it looks like Surailia's in. Any more votes?

OOC: Yay....yea Surailia wins