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"Dragon II" Air to Air missile

The "Dragon II" AAM (Air to Air Missile) was created because of the need of Cornwall Military Aviation to continue its most succesful (so far) project (and the only project with foreign sales).

The "Dragon II" is a slightly different concept from "Dragon I", as now its intend to be short-range, highly manuverable AAM. however, if needed, the "Dragon II" can also serve as AGM with ability to mount nuclear warhead.

Warhead:

The Dragon II's warhead is containing 30kg of explosives, and ability to change him to small nuclear warhead. the warhead can be neutralized (while still on the air) with voice order from the pilot.


Unit cost: $600,000 NS$
Primary function: short-range AAM/AGM
Company: Cornwall Military Aviation
Power plant: solid rocket motor
Length: 350 cm
Diameter: 11 cm
Wing span: 31cm
Launch weight: 185kg
Speed: Mach 2.5
Warhead: 30kg
Range: 30km (effective 15km)
Guidance system: semi-active and active radar homing (WISP II)

OOC: comments are welcome.

I like your idea.

I would like to buy a few of them...


Thanks,
Cotton

OOC: The idea is good, but I´m a little concerned with it being AAM. It would work as a good (though expensive) nuclear missile against ground targets. And using nuclear warheads against aircraft doesn´t sound sane.

IC: The People´s Republic of Burlovia is interested in buying Dragon II missiles, with some modifications. The missile should be capable to be guided to land targets too, and it should be designed for cold Burlovian weather and hard winds.

OOC: The idea is good, but I´m a little concerned with it being AAM. It would work as a good (though expensive) nuclear missile against ground targets. And using nuclear warheads against aircraft doesn´t sound sane.

IC: The People´s Republic of Burlovia is interested in buying Dragon II missiles, with some modifications. The missile should be capable to be guided to land targets too, and it should be designed for cold Burlovian weather and hard winds.

IC: Cornwall Military Aviation can modify the missiles, in extra charge of $5,000 per missile. the first 500 missiles you buy will be free modified.

OOC: I'm no expert on guidance systems, but you simply describe yours as an 'electro-optic system' and say that the missile scans the area looking for targets, and once it locks onto an enemy aircraft 'he is dead'.

I strongly disagree with this sentence, as you haven't spoken of any anti-countermeasures systems aboard the missile, or even specified what kind of guidance is being used, except that it isn't infra-red.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the impression that you are talking about an optically guided air to air missile, something which I am not aware has been done yet. There are several reasons for this, the biggest of course being that radar and infra-red both offer longer range and hence higher survivability for the launching aircraft. The missile would have to be close in order to optically lock onto a target, and if the aircraft had no longer ranged weapons then it would likely have already been destroyed from afar by an enemy with radar missiles.

The idea of an optically guided missile also greatly reduces the area scanned, i.e. directly in front of the missile, and eliminates the prospect of an 'over the shoulder' or swerving launch, thus reducing the missile's effectiveness in a dogfight, which is the only situation I see the weapon being used in the first place.

We are going to buy 2000 missiles, and 200 without warhead. The warheads will be placed in Burlovia with our army´s own warheads.

OOC: I'm no expert on guidance systems, but you simply describe yours as an 'electro-optic system' and say that the missile scans the area looking for targets, and once it locks onto an enemy aircraft 'he is dead'.

I strongly disagree with this sentence, as you haven't spoken of any anti-countermeasures systems aboard the missile, or even specified what kind of guidance is being used, except that it isn't infra-red.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the impression that you are talking about an optically guided air to air missile, something which I am not aware has been done yet. There are several reasons for this, the biggest of course being that radar and infra-red both offer longer range and hence higher survivability for the launching aircraft. The missile would have to be close in order to optically lock onto a target, and if the aircraft had no longer ranged weapons then it would likely have already been destroyed from afar by an enemy with radar missiles.

The idea of an optically guided missile also greatly reduces the area scanned, i.e. directly in front of the missile, and eliminates the prospect of an 'over the shoulder' or swerving launch, thus reducing the missile's effectiveness in a dogfight, which is the only situation I see the weapon being used in the first place.

actually, this has been done, in the Python 5 missile. and from what i know (i might be wrong) it was done effectively.

by the way "he is dead", well.. commercials never tell lies about their product, they just changing some information... :rolleyes: .

but SHHHH.. don't tell everyone.

We are going to buy 2000 missiles, and 200 without warhead. The warheads will be placed in Burlovia with our army´s own warheads.

Order confirmed.

total price: $1,207,500,000

OOC:
A very badly broken design I am afraid.

Launch weight: far too low, try in the 100-150kg region (if you scale back the warhead to 10-20kgs if you want to keep a 30kg warhead try the 200kg launch weight region)

range: its a short range dog fighting missile, 30km would be your max range with max effective clsoer to 15-20km.

speed: too high, try mach 4 at the expense of manouverability or mach 2.5-3 for a more manouverable missile

giudance: The python 5 while often labeled as having a full EO imaging giudance package doesn't really, its is simply a slightly more complicated Imaging infra red sensor capable of seeing 2 bands at the same time for a mix of longer targeting range and better close in resolution. As for targeting parts of targets it is silly claim most modern IIR missile make, yes they can see different bits but they still lock onto the overall IR image of the target.

Wing span: if you actually mean the length of each wing being 10cm then your overall wing span is 31cm

Finally forget the nuclear option it is simply pointless out side of big stand off BVR missiles

OOC:
A very badly broken design I am afraid.

Launch weight: far too low, try in the 100-150kg region (if you scale back the warhead to 10-20kgs if you want to keep a 30kg warhead try the 200kg launch weight region)

range: its a short range dog fighting missile, 30km would be your max range with max effective clsoer to 15-20km.

speed: too high, try mach 4 at the expense of manouverability or mach 2.5-3 for a more manouverable missile

giudance: The python 5 while often labeled as having a full EO imaging giudance package doesn't really, its is simply a slightly more complicated Imaging infra red sensor capable of seeing 2 bands at the same time for a mix of longer targeting range and better close in resolution. As for targeting parts of targets it is silly claim most modern IIR missile make, yes they can see different bits but they still lock onto the overall IR image of the target.

Wing span: if you actually mean the length of each wing being 10cm then your overall wing span is 31cm

Finally forget the nuclear option it is simply pointless out side of big stand off BVR missiles

thank you for your comments.

EDIT: i changed the missile according to what you say.