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Dear nations of the world,
The Nikkovakian government has had talks over the past few weeks to figure out if slavery is for its nation. It has a population of 7 million and its major industies are war accessories and war materials. It is a hard-nosed nation with a very large pride rate. Will the introduction of slavery be a good thing for Nikkovakia or not?

The nation would like to know your imput.

Thank you.

Nikkovakian Leader.
Nikos.:sniper:

From: Emilian Davout, Foreign Minister
To: Nikkovakia officials
Subject: Human Rights

We notice with horror the topic of your inquiry. The very idea of derogating human beings of their rights goes against our beliefs. As signatories of the Theeb Accords and as supporters of human rights, we firmly advise you against such a move.

to Nikkovakian government

not a good idea if you don't want other Nations declaring war on you

~Official Imperial Democracy Message~

Hell no!

Sincerely,
Ingram J Hasley
~Presidential Secretary~

OOC: Say no, many nations enjoy pwning n00bs/newbs.

[OoC:Slavery, like sniper gun smilies, are for the most part very unpopular with the world, so i would say its a bad idea.]

Slavery is a breach of human rights, a breach of natural rights, and a disgusting proposal. It is also a sign of laziness and financial pride.
If you need labourers, find some 4th world country and hire indentured labourers.

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Alfegos Foreign Ministry

Don't even think about it...unless you want the legions of ALfegos marching over your desecrated homeland...

NeoDalek Skraen addressing Nikkovakian ruling body.
The endorsement of slavery will automatically qualify you for enemy status.

Dear nations of the world,
The Nikkovakian government has had talks over the past few weeks to figure out if slavery is for its nation. It has a population of 7 million and its major industies are war accessories and war materials. It is a hard-nosed nation with a very large pride rate. Will the introduction of slavery be a good thing for Nikkovakia or not?

The nation would like to know your imput.

Thank you.




Nikkovakian Leader.
Nikos.:sniper:



No, please don't enslave you're people. It is inhumane and other countries [and whole orginizations] will take military action against you. Do not do it...

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL TRANSMISSION
To: Nikos, Leader of Nikkovakia

Why must we be bothered by the petty decisions of your nation? Actually, consider that a rhetorical question and spare me hearing the answer.

You have a small nation, if you need more workers but cannot afford or obtain them from your nation then yes slavery would suite your needs. If this is not the case then no, it would not be worthwhile.

Now, is that all?

Signed
Lord Sollonaal, Supreme Magistrate of Yallak

OOC: I'm sure you already worked it out but my nation doesn't think much of foreigners...

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PUBLIC STATEMENT

Slavery is a burden your nation would be best off avoiding. That institution will rot your nation's soul, and breed contempt for your people. If you are indeed a prideful nation, we doubt you will much like the ridicule, loathing, and pity the world will heap upon you once slavery is legalized

Slavery does invite invasion as others have said. There are plenty of nations out there, who would happily pillage and destroy your nation in the name of civil rights. Should they come for you, don’t expect anyone to answer your pleas for help as your nation will be an international pariah with no moral high ground.

To the government of Nikkovakia:
The government of Knotthole Glade,
following the approval of King Chromanin Augustus,
noting your nation's sensible foreign politics of gathering signals from your peers,
respecting each nation's right to establish it's own moral code,
forwards recommendations to ensure a friendly relation between our nations:
Slavery should be based upon VOLUNTARY agreement between patron and enslaved.The enslaved shall sign a contract in which he states he is the property of the patron for an exact period of time(5 years is recommended).Death of the enslaved in that period of time shall be considered crime and be punished with heavy fines and the removal of right to be a patron from whomever performed the crime.Punishment of death of the enslaved following the action of another enslaved shall be settled between patrons or by the patron if they are both property of his,cannot include capital penalty and can be forwarded to the penal system of Nikkovakia at the patron's will.Slavery will not be hereditary in the case of infancy of the enslaved.A pregnant woman may not be enslaved;if she becomes pregnant during the period in the contract by the actions of the patron,it shall be rendered null and she will resume it 3 years after labor.Pregnancy by the actions of another person shall be prosecuted in favor of the patron.Pregnancy laws are ignored if the contract is of sexual slavery,in which case both parties undergo medical examinations and work/corporal punishment are forbidden.
We recognize the potential of slavery towards forging a great nation by the model of the mighty Roman Empire,it's appeal to the upper class and the possibilities of a financially desperate person to find better conditions and protection,by choosing the right patron.

Open Statement.

Your current course of action is considered a waste of resources in our nation. A slave lacks the ability to work at its full potential and thus prejudices the State.

Should you decide to instate slavery in your nation, we offer to acquire every slave child under the age of 12 months. We assure the rest of the world that they will be raised as our own.

Braca. Supreme Commander of Aleos.

Diplomatic Communique to the Nation known as Nikkovakia
As a nation devoted to the rights of the induvidual person of personal freedom and to be thier own induvidual; and because your government has seen fit to ask for the opinion of governments the world over. The Kingdom of SaintB would have it be known that the practice of slavery is viewed by our people as not only distastful or immoral but as a poor way to run your nation's infestructure as a free man being payed a fair and just wage is more motivated and willing to perform thier tasks at hand.

[ooc: Nikkovakia, little advice, generally it is not good idea to make threads "I legalize slavery" or "I start genocide" etc unless you have already some RP-ing experience and you have atleast 500 million(preferably more of course) population. Generally many people(who are a lot bigger then you) try to invade little nations who do such things, so you may get occupied really fast. Btw, never use gun smileys in your posts if you want to be taken seriosly.]

your nation has horrifying human rights violations aswell as a signifcant lack of political freedoms, also the fact that you are building weapons materials does not help your case.
If you legalise slavery krapickstan will have to free your enslaved people and colonise your country...

No. Slavery is wrong and immoral. Owning another person is disgusting. I you need help with your economy, the New Brittonian Service Corps will be proud to help improve your nation.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

A Letter from the Grand Vizier of Ama Xhosa

To the Ruler of the Republic of Nikkovakia, courteous greetings.

Our ruler, the Most Wise Empress Xhikki of the Empire of Ama Xhosa has heard that your nation is interested in slavery as an option for your citizens. Though the idea seems to lack support from several other nations, we would like to offer an alternative option. Ama Xhosa would like to propose that you sell - or rather rent - a small percentage of your citizens to Ama Xhosa as slaves.

Ama Xhosa is also a burgeoning nation, and we can certainly use the labour to begin building the foundations of our empire. In return for the labour, our Empress will pay to your government an agreed-upon amount of gold xedits for their labour before returning them to you after a period of 10 years. Our Empress would like you to consider the benefits of this proposal to your nation. Not only would Nikkovakia avoid the sticky moral situation which would arise from enslaving your own citizens, your government will also gain an economic boost from the arrangement.

We promise that your citizens will be most humanely treated, housed, and clothed, though they may not take anything back to Nikkovakia that they did not arrive with. The government, not the individuals, will be compensated for their labour.

We await your response via telegram. Our Most Wise Empress offers her gracious acknowledgment of your consideration.

Sincerely,
Xhictor Ama Xhen
Grand Vizier of the Empire of Ama Xhosa

Ama Xhosa your proposal to Nikkovakia breaks international law either you withdraw this proposal or you will face strikes against your military assests, not only are we numericaly supperior we are also finacialy superior.

judging by your economy you cannot afford an airforce or even navy (ooc:i suggest you check the stickies on war and economy and numbers of soldier)

You have been warned

To the Psychotic people of Krapickstan, courteous greetings.

Our Most Glorious Empress is quite surprised at your reaction to Her proposal to Nikkovakia. After all, it is mutually beneficial to two nations, without the need for war or bloodshed.

The Most Wise Xhikki Ama Xhosa wishes you to know that though She is a young ruler, She is willing to consider the advice of more established nations. She wishes to understand the reasoning behind your startlingly violent objection to a peaceful proposal.

Ama Xhosa awaits your response.

Sincerely,
Xhictor Ama Xhen
Grand Vizier

-snip-
OOC: Nonetheless, interesting 1st post. It looks like indentured servants, though

IC:
Instead of participating in the slave trade, if you wish to mprove your nation's economy and standard of living allowing the New Brittonian Service Corps will be a better way.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch
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The United Socialist States of New Brittonia wishes to estalish diplomatic relations, and exchange embassies with Nikkovakia.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch


-snip-

OOC: Krap, you only have 40 posts. Don't declare war on people so soon.

You plan conquest of other nations (i gather that by the whole empire bit in your name) and plan to use slave labour to do this, our administration would not let that happen. your proposal is sick and immoral and for this reason we reacted in a way that fits the problem.

If this proposal is not withdrawn action will be taken

ooc: This isnt my first nation and i did not declare war

The United Socialist States of New Brittonia wishes that tensions stop escilating and the Krapickstani and Ama Xhosa governments come to the table and talk out heir problems insead of eescilaing to war.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

ooc: This isnt my first nation and i did not declare war

OOC: Still, you're escalating.

To The United Socialist States of New Brittonia and the Psychotic people of Krapickstan from the Empire of Ama Xhosa, courteous greetings.

The Most Gracious Empress, Xhikki Ama Xhosa wishes it to be known that she is grateful to New Brittonia for their kind words of advice. Ama Xhosa has no wish to engage in hostilities with the Psychotic people of Krapickstan.

Let it be known that the former Grand Vizier of Ama Xhosa, Xhictor Ama Xhen, was intercepted in trying to send a rather hostile response to the Krapickstanis, and has been summarily replaced for lack of diplomatic sensibility. However, Her Glorious Majesty, the Empress, did wish to pass forward one point that he made, which was this: Perhaps the citizens of Nikkovakia, depending on their level of patriotism, would be agreeable to this proposal. After all, they are promised to be treated well, clothed, housed, and returned to their land after a period of time, earning for their government a sizeable amount of gold which will eventually benefit all citizens, as it is used to improve the national economy and the quality of life of its people.

The Krapickstani government may want to let Nikkovakia have a chance answer for itself before leaping to a hostile stance against a perfectly well-intentioned proposal between two nations, neither of which are Krapickstan.

The Most Glorious Empress hopes to continue peaceful relationships with all nations involved in this discussion going forward, and wishes to remind the Psychotic people that sometimes alternative solutions are the best kind.

Sincerely,
Xhorani Ama Xhia
New Grand Vizier of Ama Xhosa

Official Press Statement from the desk of the Grand Vizier of Ama Xhosa

The Court of the Empress of Ama Xhosa received a rather discourteous telegram from the nation of Nikkovakia. Apparently, the Nikkovakian Government, while completely comfortable with the concept of enslaving its own citizens, feels the need to foully insult the Most High upon Her suggestion that the business be conducted in a more humane and mutually beneficial way.

The Empress henceforth withdraws Her offer of assistance, and Nikkovakia may be left to the displeasure of the world upon furtherance of its plans for its citizens.

Regardless of this incident, Ama Xhosa continues to offer refuge to those citizens who feel the need to escape their oppressive governments due to being classified as "undesirable" for any reason. Our Most Esteemed Empress has very definite plans to turn such persons into useful resources for our nation.

Xhorani Ama Xhia
Grand Vizier of Ama Xhosa

The Peoples´ Republic of Burlovia supports Nikkovakia´s attempt to use slavery. Krapickstan´s offensive attitude towards Ama Xhosa should be internationally denounced, and if any military action is taken against Ama Xhosa or Nikkovakia, Burlovia is capable and will retaliate against any nation.

To the ruling government of Nikkovakia,
If it is determined that slavery is of benefit and you must implement it, it would be wise to consider instead to implement a scheme of free public service, not unlike other governments schemes where by a proportion of the population works for government assistance. In your case that assistance would be the governments gratitude for it workers donating their time for the benefit of the nation.

sincerest regards

The opulant leader of Osborntopia.

:D

Official Paladin Order Communique

Our Order is repulsed by the actions of Nikkovakia and those of various countries supporting them.

We are known for fighting for worthy causes, and this my friends is a worthy cause.

Cease this foolishness or face the consequences.

Magister of the Order.

Slavery is not resource efficient for individual people. It costs less to pay someone for a short period of time then send them home. The employer is not morally required to feed, house, or clothe the individual, he does not own them.

In a way, this situation where wages are low is worse than slavery, there is no obligation to take care of the person once they leave the factory. Thus you have near starving low wage workers. Wage slavery is cheaper.

Slavery for the state and large corporations is however, resource efficient, but morally wrong. So the state creates prison labor and work camps for those who don't fit in to do hard labor.

Or the large corporation creates indebtedness with substandard wages so the person must permanently owe the corporation to stay alive. Efficient, immoral, and cheap. Debt peonage is once again cheaper than slavery.

Both of these can be claimed as morally correct through subterfuge, or claiming the people deserve to be in prison or work camps because they are immoral scum, of a lesser race, or prisoners.

Go with debt peonage and work camps, most people won't claim you are enslaving people...

Slavery is a terrible thing...

Slavery is not resource efficient for individual people. It costs less to pay someone for a short period of time then send them home. The employer is not morally required to feed, house, or clothe the individual, he does not own them.

In a way, this situation where wages are low is worse than slavery, there is no obligation to take care of the person once they leave the factory. Thus you have near starving low wage workers. Wage slavery is cheaper.

Slavery for the state and large corporations is however, resource efficient, but morally wrong. So the state creates prison labor and work camps for those who don't fit in to do hard labor.

Or the large corporation creates indebtedness with substandard wages so the person must permanently owe the corporation to stay alive. Efficient, immoral, and cheap. Debt peonage is once again cheaper than slavery.

Both of these can be claimed as morally correct through subterfuge, or claiming the people deserve to be in prison or work camps because they are immoral scum, of a lesser race, or prisoners.

Go with debt peonage and work camps, most people won't claim you are enslaving people...

Slavery is a terrible thing...

OOC: Further proof its not what you say, it's how you say it.

OOC: Wandering if Nikkovakia is in the forums anymore

Dear nations of the world,
The Nikkovakian government has had talks over the past few weeks to figure out if slavery is for its nation. It has a population of 7 million and its major industies are war accessories and war materials. It is a hard-nosed nation with a very large pride rate. Will the introduction of slavery be a good thing for Nikkovakia or not?

The nation would like to know your imput.

Thank you.

Nikkovakian Leader.
Nikos.:sniper:

Better to pay a man and send him along his way than to feed him eternally even in idleness.

~ Deputy Minister of Justice Bailey Ryan.

Aristotle foretold the end of slavery with the building of intelligent automata. We are very close to this condition soon, of not needing managers, and slaves. Why turn back the clock when true freedom awaits?

There is only one condition in which we can imagine managers not needing subordinates, and masters not needing slaves.
This condition would be that each (inanimate) instrument could do its own work, at the word of command or by intelligent anticipation, like the statues of Daedalus or the tripods made by Hephaestus, of which Homer relates that

"Of their own motion they entered the conclave of Gods on Olympus"
as if a shuttle should weave of itself, and a plectrum should do its own harp playing.