NationStates Jolt Archive

I was just working on my factbook, when I started to wonder about NSworld's geography, and the scale of the place. The main question that as in my head was:

If NSworld is as big as a gas giant, then are the features of the planet also bigger?

So, if NS is so massive as it is, is it possible to get away with having:

Mountains Bigger than Everest (IE Beor Mountains from Alagaesia)
A Thicker Crust
More than one Moon
Deeper Sea trenches
Etc.

I'm not thinking of implementing all these and making a wanktastical natural super fortress. I just would like to see what the Community's position on scale is, and therefore how creative I can be concerning Geography.

Thanks to anyone who answers in advance, and apologies if this has been asked before.

this is just me but i dont see why not....

nothing over the top though...like a wall of moutians that reaches the atmosphere.....speaking of which, how high is our atmosphere

My friend, NS is an enigma. Its geography is up to one's perspective. SOme nations like to think that its Earth, some see it as a übersized gas giant, but with earth's properties. In my opinion, its fine to have Beor-esque megamountains, a depper crust and all that. I scale things up a bit myself. GO ahead, be creative.

Yeah, I just didn't want to find my desired geography is way off what is acceptable. Thanks, I'll see if anyone else would like to put forward their opinion's on the subject.

My friend, NS is an enigma. Its geography is up to one's perspective. SOme nations like to think that its Earth, some see it as a übersized gas giant, but with earth's properties. In my opinion, its fine to have Beor-esque megamountains, a depper crust and all that. I scale things up a bit myself. GO ahead, be creative.

speaking of which, how high is our atmosphere?

I've always assumed it to be a bit higher than Earth's, but again, matter of opinion.

Yeah, I just didn't want to find my desired geography is way off what is acceptable.

[Just for the record, this is not a triple-post, my posts are getting warped together by Jolt]

What is acceptable also varies. Most of the nations in II are MT puritanical Realists, who aren't going to go any further than the Earth's RL limits, and some of these beleive NS to be the actual Earth. They probably won't mind you having a few megamountains, or any extremely deep trenches, but multiple moons might piss them off.(I like the multiple moons idea though).

[Just for the record, this is not a triple-post, my posts are getting warped together by Jolt]

What is acceptable also varies. Most of the nations in II are MT puritanical Realists, who aren't going to go any further than the Earth's RL limits, and some of these beleive NS to be the actual Earth. They probably won't mind you having a few megamountains, or any extremely deep trenches, but multiple moons might piss them off.(I like the multiple moons idea though).

Well, the Realism Nazis are always going to be around. The multi moon idea is mainly so that you can land plenty of stuff on one moon without having to worry about people already being there. A bit like the cake theory, if that is what it is called.

Wow, I never knew warps to be that bad.

let do the time wrap again

as for the moon from what i've seen there is only one moon

let do the time wrap again

lol

as for the moon from what i've seen there is only one moon

You're right. So far, MT NS has stayed with the basic Sol star system, one moon and all. In fact, I think the only other planet ever mentioned was Mars in Cazelia's rp. Then again, I'm new compared to most.

Wow, I never knew warps to be that bad.

Oh they get worse, way worse.

oh Weccanfeld wait till someone steals your thread because of the warps

oh Weccanfeld wait till someone steals your thread because of the warps

That's probably the worst effect of the time warps.

That would be bad. Still, admittedly this is the first time I've been around when they happen.

the only time i've seen a thread get stolen in II was when it was me who stole it, it mainly happens in NSG

I think you should steer clear of multiple moons and a thicker crust because they'd be things that would have an impact on all nations, so you can't just go around making them up. If they're in your area mountains and trenches would probably be fine.

I think you should steer clear of multiple moons and a thicker crust .

not if you are doing it as a FT nation then that ok if you have a planet with what said in the quote

I think you should steer clear of multiple moons and a thicker crust because they'd be things that would have an impact on all nations, so you can't just go around making them up. If they're in your area mountains and trenches would probably be fine.

But what is the thickness of NSEarth's crust? Is it bigger than Earth's or the same.

not if you are doing it as a FT nation then that ok if you have a planet with what said in the quote

Well, yes, but he's talking about the NS earth, ie. the NS PT-PMT earth.

Well, yes, but he's talking about the NS earth, ie. the NS PT-PMT earth.

best give them all the facts then they know then

thickness of NSEarth's crust

same as earth i guess seeing as MT nations go with only one moon

But what is the thickness of NSEarth's crust? Is it bigger than Earth's or the same.

The earth's curst DOES vary in thickness, thickest under mountains, and thinnest on the midoceanic seafloor. So techically, I guess your nation could be on an area of thicker crust. Then again, I'm no geologist, so I'll let the experst go in on that.

The earth's curst DOES vary in thickness, thickest under mountains, and thinnest on the midoceanic seafloor. So techically, I guess your nation could be on an area of thicker crust. Then again, I'm no geologist, so I'll let the experst go in on that.

I know that. I mean where is the barrier between the crust and the mantle.

Not sure. You've gotta take the lithosphere into account as well.

Also Weccanfield, as in the "wedding cake" theory you mentioned (possibly the same), there are those who believe NS to be a fractal reality. Meaning, if one navigates or flies properly (such as through a Bermuda Triangle or two), one will end up on a different "earth" than the one you started on, with wholly different nations and so; who could likewise come your way or go another entirely using similar methods, naturally never detailed ICly for convenience's sake. AFAIK, this theory is around largely due to the fact that several RP-active regions are already Earth-sized or larger; as well as because several IC nations claim the same RL territories at once, or at least have awfully similar names for some of these even if using alternate geography.

Not to impose, but I personally just go with this 'fractal earth' theory since it allows all the sub-worlds to be RL-sized and stuff. Hence, as far as I go, NSEarth's crust would have the same thickness as RL Earth's, whichever 'parallel' one's on at any time. Your mileage may vary of course, but honestly your question is a good one; and perhaps provides its own answer even.;)

Just thought I'd bump this, so I'd get a wider range of opinions on the matter.

...and again.

It all depends on how you plan to use them. If just for RP, few people would ever bother. If trying to get advantage over others, better not.

Mountains Bigger than Everest (IE Beor Mountains from Alagaesia) Only in sensible limits. I think 12km is OK, more may cause questions, 20+ serious.

A Thicker Crust Perhaps no - it's our common thing.

More than one Moon In MT? A few players would perhaps accept it, not sure if I can name one off the bat, though. Others... well, in limited circumstances. We have Moon here.

Deeper Sea trenches Do you expect them near superhigh mountains?

Although I think there are some out there - but only due to Bell curve distribution over a wider space. Ocean seems not to be deeper.

Etc. If that etc goes further, better ask about specific things.



P.S. For the record, Vault 10 is larger than whole Eurasia. It's a nuked continent, to be more precise, where population density has to be low due to radiation and few habitable areas.

Personally, I think that the surface is 350x bigger but it has no effect on earth's properties, as in regular earth stuff, in MT and PMT of course. In FT each nation has a planet and the regions are in a way solar systems.

My 2 pennies

I think you should steer clear of multiple moons and a thicker crust because they'd be things that would have an impact on all nations, so you can't just go around making them up. If they're in your area mountains and trenches would probably be fine.

I'd say it's up to you...within reason of course. As for multiple moons, well if we stick to realism then a planet the size of earth wouldn't fit all these nations on it and wouldn't need a second moon. If we don't be realistic then a bigger 'earth' that could fit all our nations would have a crushing gravity and noone could survive here anyway - we ignore that so I don't see why we can't be happy with an extra moon or two.

Its also important to consider regional geography and fixation. Some regions, Like Haven and the Grey Sea States have regional maps on which you place your nation. If you chose to do that, you can't really change your geography much. Also, if yo post a map of your nation for an rp, your geography will be fixed like that for a long time, until people forget about it.

I frequently change regions, and have to fit onto multiple maps, and accomodate discrepancies from my earlier imperessions of Kirav's georaphy, so I never post a map.

If the "huge NS Earth theory" is consistently implemented using realistic physics as is proposed, you can say goodbye to space travel and liveable gravity. It is a handwave mechanism for allowing us to justify our huge populations. Don't look too far into it, because you won't like the conclusions.

I'm not going to say much as so much has already been said. Regardless, here's my bit on the Moon. In RL, it's a quarter of the size of Earth. So, in NS it's a quarter of the size of the ever shrinking and ever enlarging NationStates.

I'm not going to say much as so much has already been said. Regardless, here's my bit on the Moon. In RL, it's a quarter of the size of Earth. So, in NS it's a quarter of the size of the ever shrinking and ever enlarging NationStates.

Well said Vontanas! Excellent point. **applauds**

I never proposed having RL physics, as that would turn everything to a particle high pancake. You probably couldn't have massive mountains on a massive planet in theory anyway, they would get squashed as well.

When I said Beor esque mountains, I meant mountains up to twice as high as Everest. The trenches are a maritime feature, that wouldn't really impact wars much save for wreck not being found. The moon theory was just an idea, though the proposal that the moon is a quarter of NS earth seems good.

As for etc, the basically meant other ideas that I couldn't name at the moment. just making things a bit clearer.