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Is this a good ORBAT?

Qadeshi ORBAT

Legion I to X = Infantry Legions
20,000 Infantry Soldiers [Vektor CR-21 w/ Milkor MGL Mk-1 Under barrel]
20,000 ‘Land Warriors’ [M8 Assault Rifles w/ Under-Barrel Grenade Launcher]
5,000 Snipers [M24 SWS Sniping System]
Legion Strength = 45,000 Solders *Five Legions = 450,000

Heavy Weapons Auxiliary I to V = Heavy Weaponry
1,000 SMAW Soldiers
1,000 SAW Solders
1,000 M29 Assault Riflemen [for guarding positions]
100 Challenger II Main Battle Tanks & 100 Olifant Mk 2 Tanks
Auxiliary Strength = 3,200 *Five Auxiliaries = 16,000

Air force Squadrons = [Sqn.] I to V
100 F-161 Sufa Fighter/Bombers
100 Chariot Bombers
100 Atlas Oryx helicopters
Sqn. Strength = 300 Aircraft *Five Squadrons = 1500

Naval Task Forces = I
5 Nimitz Class Super-carriers & 5 Champion Class Super-carriers
10 Agamemnon Class Battleships
10 Arsenal Class Missile Cruisers
10 Zumwalt Class Stealth Missile Destroyers
10 Daring Class Air Defense Destroyers
10 Brandenburg Class Stealth ASW Frigates
5 E-3 Sentries
5 KC-135 Stratotankers
5 Safeguard Class Rescue and Salvage Ships
5 Osprey Class Mine Hunters
5 Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ships
5 E-2C Hawkeye
Task Force Strength = 90 Ships

Mobile Seaborne Auxiliary = I to V
50 Valour Class Frigates [w/ 2 Atlas Oryx helicopters each]
50 Ramses Class Missile Cruisers
25 Type 209/1500 Submarines
25 Fleet Replenishment Ships
5 Seawolf Submarines
Auxiliary Strength = 105 * Five Auxiliaries = 525

Opinions? Too Big or small? Is this a proper ORBAT for a country of 86,000,000?

Ground Forces
1st ‘Ramses’ Air Cavalry Division
2nd Mechanized Infantry Division
3rd Air Cavalry Division
5th Blitzkrieg Division
7th Motorized Artillery Division
8th Air Cavalry Division
9th Air Cavalry Division
11th Blitzkrieg Division
13th Motorized Artillery Division
14th Mechanized Infantry Division
17th Air Cavalry Division
56th Blitzkrieg Division
82nd Mechanized Infantry Division
83rd Motorized Artillery Division
85th Air Cavalry Division
87th Blitzkrieg Division
89th Air Cavalry Division
90th Motorized Artillery Division
98th Air Cavalry Division
99th Mechanized Infantry Division
101st Air Cavalry Division
103rd Motorized Artillery Division
144th Air Cavalry Division
145th Motorized Artillery Division

Air Force
1st Squadron
2nd Squadron
3rd Squadron
4th Squadron
5th Squadron
6th Squadron
7th Squadron
8th Squadron
9th Squadron
10th Squadron

Navy
1st Carrier Battle Group
2nd Carrier Battle Group
3rd Carrier Battle Group

OOC: That is Qadesh's updated one. I helped him out a bit.

[OOC: That navy is bigger than mine, and I have 1.9 bn people! Still, if you spend the money on it and you think you can use it...]

[OOC: That navy is bigger than mine, and I have 1.9 bn people! Still, if you spend the money on it and you think you can use it...]

Were you talking about my post? I have to reduce a few of his ground force numbers, but I think most of it works...

Maldorians: how does your organisational layout reflect the equipment lsitings previously provided? By the looks of it your listing would involve a massive increase in the amount of land equipment but a major reduction in naval assets.
More than one air cav/airborne/air assault division is at this sort of nation size more less a pipe dream, you might be able to push it to a divsion and a couple of brigades but not any further, as a rough rule of thumb for a western army you should be looking at 1 division per 10million population or part there of with maybe 1 in 5 of those being air mobile in some shape or form.

Qadesh:
A few points:
army:
Standard infantry rifle: pick one and stick with it, also not every one of your riflemen needs and UGL and the MGL-mk1 is not an UGL
Support infantry: SAWs and light rocket weapons should be integrated directly into your basic infantry formation(squad/section/conturbenium or what ever you wish to call it)
MBTs: chose one or the other, you also need IFVs and some APCs
navy: No way you afford 10 super carriers, maybe 4 or 5 but not 10, also what aircraft operate from these carriers? the E-3s and KC-135s certainly don't and really should be part of your airforce.
Ditch the Mobile Seaborne Auxiliary's you barely afford to run your single Naval task force where again you really need to rationalise your destroyer fleet.

Appart from that it is OK and there is nothign wrong with adopting Roman style organisation as opposed to the more common western brigade/division format its just that thigns tend to need to be integrated at lower levels than you currrently have them.

Maldorians: how does your organisational layout reflect the equipment lsitings previously provided? By the looks of it your listing would involve a massive increase in the amount of land equipment but a major reduction in naval assets.
More than one air cav/airborne/air assault division is at this sort of nation size more less a pipe dream, you might be able to push it to a divsion and a couple of brigades but not any further, as a rough rule of thumb for a western army you should be looking at 1 division per 10million population or part there of with maybe 1 in 5 of those being air mobile in some shape or form.

Yea, I was confused on how I got those numbers too. I have the stuff saved on Word, I'll show you my logic there later. But basically, I know that the numbers are too high. As previously mentioned, I would have to tone them down a bit. Also, after messaging with Qadesh, we were going to try roughly use that ORBAT and then make a TO&E of his military...

Using 86Billion, as my baseline...

Qadeshi ORBAT

Infantry Brigade
1st Mechanized Infantry Division
3rd Mechanized Infantry Division
5th Mechanized Infantry Division
7th Mechanized Infantry Division

Motorized Artillery Brigade
2nd Motorized Artillery Division
4th Motorized Artillery Division

Airborne/Seaborne Brigade
6th Airborne Division
8th Seaborne Division

Thoughts?

Using 86Billion, as my baseline...

Qadeshi ORBAT

Infantry Brigade
1st Mechanized Infantry Division
3rd Mechanized Infantry Division
5th Mechanized Infantry Division
7th Mechanized Infantry Division

Motorized Artillery Brigade
2nd Motorized Artillery Division
4th Motorized Artillery Division

Airborne/Seaborne Brigade
6th Airborne Division
8th Seaborne Division

Thoughts?

OOC: I think it's much better. Now basically, if you want, you can go even further by classifying what's in a motorized artillery divison, etc...

Infantry Brigade
1st Mechanized Infantry Division
3rd Mechanized Infantry Division
5th Mechanized Infantry Division
7th Mechanized Infantry Division
15,000 Infantry [Division Strength: 60,000]
2000 Sungri Scouts [DS: 8,000]
2000 5-ton trucks [DS: 8,000]
150 Type 99 MBTs [DS: 600]
300 BMP-3 APCs [DS: 1,200]
75 M109 Paladin Self Propelled Artillery [DS: 300]
75 Paladin re-supply vehicles [DS: 300]
75 MI-24 Hind [DS: 300]
75 UH-1 Utility Helicopters [DS: 300]

Motorized Artillery Brigade
2nd Motorized Artillery Division
4th Motorized Artillery Division
500 Sungri Scouts [DS: 1,000]
750 5-ton trucks [DS: 1,500]
175 M102 105mm towed Howitzers [DS: 350]

Airborne/Seaborne Brigade
6th Airborne Division
55 Earwig Strike Fighters
36 Tu-16Z Tanker/Bombers
30 Fuel Trucks
6 Tu-95 Strategic bombers
3 A-50 Shmel
3 UH-1 Hip

8th Seaborne Division
9,000 Sailors
1 Nimitz Super-carrier with 80 Aircraft:
52 Earwig Strike Fighters
4 E-2C Airborne Early Warning Aircraft
6 E-A6B Electronic Countermeasures
8 S-3B Anti-Submarine warfare/Anti-surface warfare
2 ES-3A Recon Aircraft
8 SH-60 Utility Helicopter
1 Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers
2 Charlie class guided missile destroyers
3 Skate class frigates
3 Charon class Destroyer Escorts

This is a quite good start, though obviously it will likely get bigger and more detailed as you RP more, find out what things you need, etc..

A few recommendations that I have are:

-You will probably want some kind of integrated AA to go along with your troops, unless you plan on keeping them only on the defensive where they can rely on fixed fortifications. I recommend one standard type of mobile SAM launcher and perhaps one type of AA gun for dealing with lower flying planes or enemy helicopters. Issuing MANPADs to a small number of troops per division may also be a good idea...

-It seems that the first post is out of date, but that is nevertheless a lot of carriers and ships there. You may want to trim the numbers of carriers down for budgetary reasons, as they are insanely expensive to operate. Furthermore they are only necessary for power projection - defending your own waters, you can rely on shore-based air support.

EDIT: NVM that one, I see now that it is reduced to one carrier.

-Conversely, you may want to expand your air force somewhat, or else you will have serious trouble contesting the air over a battlefield - though if you invest in AA as per point one that will help too.

-I assume that in terms of infantry this is only the active military, i.e. not counting any reservists that may be called up?

-some other stuff may come up as I think of it, but since I've just woke up recently my brain is a bit slow.

OOC: Advice for Qadesh, I sell my Division Packages 5,000 men short of a maximum size of a division.

You can add up to 16 Battalions of men to this. Maybe an integrated air defense group. I should create 'Supplements' to my packages to add extra capabilities like this.