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First of all, I know this should technically not belong in the International Incidents forum, however I'm not sure where else this would properly belong, and would undoubtedly receive the most interest here.

The Universe

After RP'ing in the NS forums for a few months, I am finally beginning to succumb to a deep, dark desire.

A desire to enter the unknown universe of future tech.

I have everything I need to set up a successful FT nation, that is; Background, Ships, Homeworlds etc. but I'm thrown off by my complete lack of knowledge of the FT universe in the NS forums. This is a cry for help. Before I introduce my FT nation, and begin an FT intro, could anyone provide me with a crash course in the FT universe? That is, factions, empires, alliances, common scientific practices (For example Hyperspace etc.)... I'm sure you get the point. Basicaly I just don't want to end up as one of those noobs who get mass pwned after a declaration of something like: "HARHAR all you future techs AR dead bcoz I have warp ships!!!!111"

Hope to hear from anyone soon,
& Thanks for reading,
~NP

well you can pick from RL FT shows or Games for tech or make up your own

I was actually going to base my Navy on the Higaran fleets of the Homeworld games, but that's the lesser of my concerns. I just don't have a clue about who the heavy hitters in the galaxy are, and what to expect in the FT universe...

well theres
CoreWorlds ,Chronosia who plays as Chaos Imperium and others

Chronosia is one you don't want to upset

Chronosia, CW, Hyperspatial Travel, any of the ESUS, Unified Sith, the GFFA, the GE, etc.(ESUS, GFFA, and GE are alliances).

Key idea: Plot pwns all. No matter how uber awesome you think your smexy laser 2000 is, or how many threads you make on making the damned things so strong, the matter is the other player has to have fun too and going I AM TEH STRONG FLEET WITH TEH LAZORS THAT GO PAST UR SHIELDZ!!!01010101, kinda doesnt make us happy. So the story is what matters, not what you use.

Also, compromise. It has helped to win and stop many wars, use it with other players, so both may benefit.

I would ask many of the veterans, Chron, HT, etc, to teach you or at least help/guide you, into the realm of FT. It helps, I am a prime example of that.

do ask for help from said poeple from Telros post they don't mind if you ask nicely and what Telros said i too back

Watch for the GE-they're the one team that has stuck together reasonably well while others have collapsed, under the guidance of Unified Sith (bunch of others in there too). GFFA/ESUS are fringe alliances these days.

As for indy nations that are power-packs, Chronosia and Ctan are two of the best in the business-watch out there (especially Chron, I'd say he's the most formidable FT guy right now). Coreworlds is a tough vet. Wanderjar is smaller than some but still tough. Sephiroth is...numerous? I don't know a good adjective for him, but I'd stay clear of that (the rest of you know what I mean...)

As for what to expect-technobabble and shifty tech is no match for strong strategy and good tactics. The standard forms of warfare apply, except now you're traveling over light-years. You have to be able to coordinate moving fleets within your FTL (while avoiding FTLi fields) travel ability, while establishing some sort of a defense of your worlds (assuming you have more than one world/system...). Standard things such as minefields have to take into account the three dimensions of space that accompany naval warfare, and balancing your weapons and ship classes can provide the line between victory and defeat.

is Sephiroth using another Nation nows day?

is Sephiroth using another Nation nows day?

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

But really. AB is good, the GE is always powerful, both materially and in roleplaying ability, Chronosia is basically his own faction, and everyone else is pretty confusing.

Welcome to the universe. You may now shoot the Rodian.

This cinches it; I'm starting FT. Would you mind having my primary system be near yours?

is Sephiroth using another Nation nows day?

No, he's still Sephiroth...I just got into a fight with him in TPF's thread.

No, he's still Sephiroth...I just got into a fight with him in TPF's thread.

thanks for that
then it just me not seeing his name much

Good to see new converts to FT, it brings new life to the genre.

Note I am willing to rp with anyone, and am currently desperate for rp with the Tau Empire. So if you need anything or want to rp, let me know.

This cinches it; I'm starting FT. Would you mind having my primary system be near yours?

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs into squad of Coalition marines and is cut down by fire* British Londinium shall fall to the might of the Coalition....

Good to see new converts to FT, it brings new life to the genre.

Note I am willing to rp with anyone, and am currently desperate for rp with the Tau Empire. So if you need anything or want to rp, let me know.

Tau yur got them as a race living in my empire as i like them after playing Fire warrior

The biggest bit of advice I can give you about FT is to not hold back. Go absolutely nuts with back-stories, technology, everything. (Check that link in my sig for an example :p)The more you have, the more fun you have. I only left because I couldn't stand the amazing amount of bitching that occurred, but if you need an FT contact to get your feet wet and (maybe) get you in touch with some others, I'm game.

Good to see new converts to FT, it brings new life to the genre.

Note I am willing to rp with anyone, and am currently desperate for rp with the Tau Empire. So if you need anything or want to rp, let me know.

Jeez Telros, I'm here all this time looking around for Rps and you're desperate? Shoulda spoke up, I'm more than willing to RP stuff :p

...not hold back. Go absolutely nuts with back-stories, technology, everything. (Check that link in my sig for an example :p)The more you have, the more fun you have.

This is an example of what NOT to do.

What you should do is wait until some fool DOES try an pull something, then come down like a ton of bricks alongside the inevitable anti-evil alliance that always forms.

Jeez Telros, I'm here all this time looking around for Rps and you're desperate? Shoulda spoke up, I'm more than willing to RP stuff :p

Well, I am listening...What do YOU want to do?

Well, I am listening...What do YOU want to do?

I want my MSN to work, honestly :p

I'll be gone for two days (tomorrow and Wednesday), so possibly (hopefully MSN will work then) we should talk then.

That sucks. We could talk it over TG:s or something. (I'm desperate, leave me alone. +P)

That sucks. We could talk it over TG:s or something. (I'm desperate, leave me alone. +P)

TGs :eek: Like I said, may be better to do once I get back on Thursday, because tomorrow and Wed I'll be out...

Check the TGs, we shall continue there.

Check the TGs, we shall continue there.

Can do :P

This is an example of what NOT to do.

What you should do is wait until some fool DOES try an pull something, then come down like a ton of bricks alongside the inevitable anti-evil alliance that always forms.

I won't play with poor people who make stuff up when they lose. Lay it all on the table or GTFO is my policy.

I Rp for the story. To me, everything else is a secondary consideration. Tech is just a back drop, numbers just a flippant story fact,factbooks simply overblown exposition. Sure, it helps keep tabs on everything, but I'd much rather get on with the story, and with having fun.

I Rp for the story. To me, everything else is a secondary consideration. Tech is just a back drop, numbers just a flippant story fact,factbooks simply overblown exposition. Sure, it helps keep tabs on everything, but I'd much rather get on with the story, and with having fun.

Seconded. I RP mainly for the fun of it. Technology is good, a good factbook is always nice, but remember to have fun and always communicate with the other guy using a major IM client (get Trillian, its like a universal remote for IMs). It will save you a lot of headaches someday.

EDIT: And as for alliances...that can get tricky. The GFFA is still very much alive, but its really up to you.

The GFFA and ESUS are both still very much alive and locked at each others throats, but the Galactic Empire also soldiers on, with...Soldiery and stuff :P

I Rp for the story. To me, everything else is a secondary consideration. Tech is just a back drop, numbers just a flippant story fact,factbooks simply overblown exposition. Sure, it helps keep tabs on everything, but I'd much rather get on with the story, and with having fun.

Ah, but factbooks are fun to make if you have creativity at your disposal...

Ah, but factbooks are fun to make if you have creativity at your disposal...

I have plenty of creativity, I'd just rather channel and focus it into my writing ;)

I have plenty of creativity, I'd just rather channel and focus it into my writing ;)

...no wai! :p

The GFFA and ESUS are both still very much alive and locked at each others throats...

OOC: Actually, not to threadjack any more than I have to....it's more of a sitzkrieg at the moment OOCly. Offically there's a war on, unofficially, not much is happening.

EDIT: Also, more advice to make this post useful: if you have some design experience, get creative and make some ship designs. If not, there's people that can help.

OOC: Actually, not to threadjack any more than I have to....it's more of a sitzkrieg at the moment OOCly. Offically there's a war on, unofficially, not much is happening.

EDIT: Also, more advice to make this post useful: if you have some design experience, get creative and make some ship designs. If not, there's people that can help.

Hence locked at each others throat, with both of you wanting to but utterly unable to let go :P

The GE, on the other hand, is engaged in a good few little spats :P

Homeworld Hiigaran. I like your style. Took a similar approach, adding in a smidge of Kiith Somtaaw tech and some of my own creations.

Don't hold back. Seek out a "powerhouse" and either get in good with them or butt heads mercilessly. Try to get drawn into a storyline your first time out rather than try to create a new one.

And make some characters. All RPs are better when you care about the people in them, rather than nameless soldiers charging in and dying.

You don't even have a nametag! You've got no chance!

I Rp for the story. To me, everything else is a secondary consideration. Tech is just a back drop, numbers just a flippant story fact,factbooks simply overblown exposition. Sure, it helps keep tabs on everything, but I'd much rather get on with the story, and with having fun.
:p it's all about texture. I do it so I can keep track of my nation and keep everything in my head, as well as to be fun for name-dropping.

Good t'seeya Chronosia, I've been out of the loop for too long. How goes it?

It goes well :P Surprisingly fething busy :D

First of all, the response here has been great and very welcoming, cheers.

Secondly, it would be great to have a familiar face, BL, I was thinking about having a nice little system somewhere near the galactic core with a little patch of nebula nearby. You know, for the kids to play in.

On a big OOC tangent now, Chronosia, are you really in Glasgow? I'm not sure what your local knowledge is like but I'm in Rothesay, Isle of Bute. Small NS world! :p

Finally, will have an FT puppet up and running by the end of the night, thanks again for the advice everyone. It was all read, taken in, and very appreciated :)

you really don't need a FT puppet as long as you tell people what Tech you are playing as when posting it be ok

*wakes up*

Huh? Did someone mention me?

*Reads* Oh. I see. Tough vet? Heh. Never thought of myself that way, but then again, when you fight the GE AND Chronosia almost alone and is still standing, with enough guts to check on a brushfire somewhere else...yeah, I guess I'm tough.


Well, welcome to FT. I hope to see you soon, kid. And...may the Force be with you.

*goes back to sleep*

I decided to go with an FT puppet (Incandescent Serenity) because I want my in-game issue decisions to be more effected by my FT nations IC gameplay... If that makes any sense...

Anyway I'd love to get it here and create a factbook already, but Nationstates wont send out the forum authentication e-mail.

So here it comes- Yet another unashamed call for help from myself.
~NP

in-game issue as in the ones they send you who really goes by them in role playing their nation

Me?

you make the Nation not the issues

if i went with the issue my Nation be a very wacko Nation with poeple running around have sex with another every day and have 30mm guns mounted on all cars for road rage shootouts

i only every find two that meet FT setting clone one and weapons platfroms one

{ooc: Some people like to represent their nation in the NS profile to the best they can. Some don't. I somehow seem to get it close to the best of the ability the NS Issue system allows. And a fair few of them are not specific to Future Tech or modern tech, but just part of stuff that happens in a nation to gauge how your nation would react in the equivilent.

As for NS FT, you have to learn to take shit while not taking any shit.

FT is all about drawing lines in the sand. Two people may use Death Star Lasers, one of them may be good while another bad. The line is not the Death Star laser, its how the person uses it. Thats about all the Advice I have.

Love Anisarian
The Helpful Banshee

Key idea: Plot pwns all. No matter how uber awesome you think your smexy laser 2000 is, or how many threads you make on making the damned things so strong, the matter is the other player has to have fun too and going I AM TEH STRONG FLEET WITH TEH LAZORS THAT GO PAST UR SHIELDZ!!!01010101, kinda doesnt make us happy. So the story is what matters, not what you use.

Essentially, this is one of the most important things. MT is quantifiable, measurable, and we know that tanks will beat infantry with rifles, that nuclear weapons have awesome power - MT is all real.

FT, however, has a more tenuous grasp on physics than your average bogan. Which is what makes it good - but also what makes it terrible. In FT, the only real quantifiers of your nation are population (which shows your military power in comparison to others), and.. well, that's it. However, population only really matters as a setting. Sure, it's fun being more powerful than the other guy, but people don't get into FT for the keen realistic tactics and the awesomely realistic technology.

They get into FT for the shinies. To me, that's one of the best things about FT. You don't need to know physics. You don't need to the know the series of equations that allows you to discover the amount of force a bullet of a certain size will need to penetrate a certain type of body armour. Provided you can write a decent story, make sure casuality and reasonability are maintained, and are willing to compromise on things like tech, FT is remarkably easy to get into.

I Rp for the story. To me, everything else is a secondary consideration. Tech is just a back drop, numbers just a flippant story fact,factbooks simply overblown exposition. Sure, it helps keep tabs on everything, but I'd much rather get on with the story, and with having fun.

Factbooks are by no means necessary. Chron is probably the most respected FT II RPer, and most certainly one of the best, and I don't think he's ever had a factbook. However, some people, like myself, find them useful as a frame of reference - in the same way, that, in NaNoWriMo, (National Novel Writing Month), I wrote up a whole passel of facts for my novel before getting truly into it.

Now, though. A bit more of my post, and you can all go back to your homes, proles.

Before I introduce my FT nation, and begin an FT intro, could anyone provide me with a crash course in the FT universe? That is, factions, empires, alliances, common scientific practices (For example Hyperspace etc.)... I'm sure you get the point. Basicaly I just don't want to end up as one of those noobs who get mass pwned after a declaration of something like: "HARHAR all you future techs AR dead bcoz I have warp ships!!!!111"

Yeah. I've fairly well written some of it up, but it's always useful in the one place. Firstly, science. As I've said, so long as it maintains continuity (as in, you're not using hyperspace one day, and fold travel the next with no explanation whatsoever), it's fine. Do try to keep it toned down - as in, the ability to destroy galaxies should strictly be some sort of ub3r plot device, and not something in mainstream use, but generally speaking, use it as the story demands. If there's a conflict between good plot and good technology, the second loses. Period.

Secondly, there are really four major alliances on FT. Well, at least here in International Incidents. I don't know much about the Triumverate of Yut (A NS-based FT alliance), but there are a few members floating around here and there if you'd like to ask them.

EDIT: ToY Charter (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=278371), courtesy of Scolopendra's sig. It's useful him being a mod and posting stickied stuff. Makes it easy to find the ToY, in any case.

The alliances are the ESUS (Extra-Solar Union of Systems), the Galactic Empire, the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, and the Republic. Of these, I'm a member of three (and have been a member of all four).

The first is the biggest. By a factor of 3-4, in terms of population. However, since it's so big, it doesn't really act as an alliance. It's done so 3 times in as many years. However, in the same way, being a member of the ESUS is both an affirmation of your skill as an RPer (as an RP test is adminstered to gain entry), and, especially if you're a tiny nation, can ensure that you're not squashed by "teh conquererS!!!11" early on, before you have a chance to get allies of your own.

www.esusalliance.co.uk is the homepage, and you should be able to find out everything you'd want to know there. There's no real leaders of the ESUS, although Central Facehuggeria and The Mindset are both very prominent. And very cool.

The Galactic Empire is based on the Star Wars organization of the same name, and is fairly imperialistic. Did I say fairly? I meant brutally. There's a lot of good RPers in the GE (Unified Sith and Chronosia spring to mind), and, although you technically have to pledge allegiance to the Emperor ICly, it doesn't really restrict your actions in the universe that much. It's winning all of its wars at present, and will protect its members rather vigorously. Although I imagine leaving might present a difficulty if you ever want to, it's still a decent choice.

Their forums are at http://z4.invisionfree.com/Galactic_Empire_/index.php?, but the most pertinent forums about the ebil GE wars and such are passworded. Unified Sith leads the Galactic Empire, so most membership thingies would be discussed with him.

The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, once again, is based on the Star Wars organization of the same name (in the sequel books). It's smaller and weaker than the GE at present, having been warring with the ESUS for quite a while. However, as others mentioned, the war is inactive now (and such large-scale wars tend to be plagued with inactivity), so joining should be a fairly safe bet. They're more democratic than other alliances (The ESUS imposes relatively few requirements on its members, and the GE is, after all, an empire, and I suppose you could call it democratic, although it only has one vote. The Emperor's.), and you can run for various positions and the like. If you're a more 'space-democracy-with-liberal-freedoms' sort of nation, it might be for you.

Their forums are.. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Galactic_Federation/index.php
Thar. The Humankind Abh, New Dornalia, and Kendari are all prominent GFFA members who could fill you in on all you need to know.

Lastly, the Republic. Although they're not especially well-known, and I doubt they'll appeal to you, it's an interesting nation, to say the least. In all other alliances, you maintain control over your nation's forces. In the Republic, you relinquish all forces - they're delegated to various people by the Senate. It's a more roleplaying-based alliance, based a lot on the system that Ancient Rome had. It can be rather hard to get into, but it's worth a look at least - and considering the fact, as a small nation (like my Republic puppet is), you can end up commanding far more forces than you normally would, it can be worth at least a look-in.

Their forums are here - http://z10.invisionfree.com/Republic_Forum/index.php?, and prominent Republic members include myself (My MSN is black_hole_army_13@hotmail.com), Taledonia, and Zarathoft, all of whom have a significant number of Senators.


And, of course, Telros and I comprise the Tau Empire - we're not really an alliance as such, we're a Warhammer-40k based empire, off the Tau Empire in 40k, and we're fairly benign. If you want to RP with us, or perhaps forge an alliance with a major power of sorts if you're feeling a bit adrift, our factbook is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536180), and you can hit us up on MSN or over TG, or whatever.

Aaand that's it. Go back to your homes. Nothing to see here. Move along, prole.

EDIT: No Endorse, I just noticed that you've got the Death of the Maker Mind in your sig. Let it be known that I am super chuffed. Really, really. It made my day.

I've actually gone and saved that post to my mac as a reference, and god knows I'll probably need it. Anyhoo it was great and infinitely useful, thanks! I'm actually in the pricess of constructing a factbook but as It was my first post I've got too wait before the modz can approve it or something...
~NP

Posts only need approval if they contain key words which Jolt automatically filters. Try posting short comments to threads in the General forum until you get over 10 posts, and the filter will cut out.

Yes I am really in Glasgow.

CW: We only keep you around for amusement, and the need for a constant source of dip (Coredians taste yummies!)

HT + Everyone: Thanks for the compliments, I'm actually flattered by the amount of people who've mentioned me.

And HT, nice job on the Alliances :D

Ah FT, my first NS love.
Damn I need to shake off the cobwebs and get some nice RPing done. Gotta keep busy while in Scotland.

It has begun. My Future Tech Intro is located Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536926). I'd be honored if anyone came along to join in establishing trade agreements, alliances, communications, embassies, basically First Contact.
Also, take time to look at my factbook located in my signature. Please don't comment in the thread at all, rather Telegram me if you have any comments. And please do, it would be more than welcome.

EDIT: No Endorse, I just noticed that you've got the Death of the Maker Mind in your sig. Let it be known that I am super chuffed. Really, really. It made my day.
:p Twas a grand story, deserves a plug here and there. And excellent sum up of the alliances.

Little plug for the GFFA, it's a very open alliance and has been a bit of fun. As with all extremely democratic organizations, it can be a /tiny/ bit rough at times, but don't let that scare you off. Leave the scaring to Chronosia.


He will eat your soul.


If you're lucky.


Pray to whatever deity you recognize that you're lucky.



Oh, and one last thing:
Secondly, there are really four major alliances on FT. Well, at least here in International Incidents. I don't know much about the Triumverate of Yut (A NS-based FT alliance), but there are a few members floating around here and there if you'd like to ask them.
From what I can remember, ToY and the Concordat are mostly based in and around Sol in the NS (as opposed to II) forum. There are a few other big things over in NS, but they don't seem to like us IIers too much for some reason.

Not to sound totally dumbfounded, but what is II? And I was hoping someone could participate in my FT intro by now, the links in my last post here.

Thanks.

International Incidents where you are posting in eg II

Right, I was interpreting II as '2', if you get me... I didn't even realize anything went on at all in the NS forum.

And don't 'Hello' me ever again, for the love of god...

oh this where it got too

things go on in NS but a lot different to what goes on in II and UN RP

Hm, I might be interested...But I don't know if you'd want me, considering how everyone regards me as evil incarnate :D

You ARE evil incarnate!

Everyone's welcome, so long as you don't try and commit mass-whoop ass. I'd like my first venture to be peaceful...

Not just because I'm an FT noob, but because ICly any conflict would only pursued the people of Incandescent Serenity back into Isolation.
This is probably a daft thing to ask here, but what in your opinion (Anyone) is better, here or the NS forum? Imperial Isa, what kind of stuff goes on there, you make it sound so dodgey! :p

[EDIT: Are we talking Genocidal maniac evil or just the standard Imperialistic bad?]

You're too kind :P

Ah. :Shuffles Awkwardly Away From Chronosia:

[EDIT: That is the worst case of Time Warp I've seen on these forums as of yet, this was posted after Ferzanthias 'Option A, Bob' post...]

Chaos Genocidal maniac evil and standard Imperialistic bad

[EDIT: Are we talking Genocidal maniac evil or just the standard Imperialistic bad?]

I'm gonna go with option A, Bob.

Though I'm only saying that because I dropped a fleet into one of his systems XD

I worship the four Gods of Chaos, them being immense beings created by the psychic thoughts and feelings of every living thing. Theres Slaanesh, God of excess, pleasure, pain, sensation, indulgence and perfection. Nurgle, lord of death, decay and rot. Tzeentch, the architect of fate, changer of the ways, master of sorcerors and mutations. And of course, Khorne, the Blood God, a roaring god of bloodlust and battle, who craves blood and skulls.

I usually conquer, corrupt or convert any humans that I find, and abhor all alien life :D

My last post still very much stands.