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IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535077) - Please put all purely OOC comments here.

Hope you don’t mind me borrowing the 30. Left it open for you to write in the result of the strike. The missiles and shells will be landing two minutes after they launched, so they will hit at 0922. The planes will be around roughly 0927. The team will then try to evac straight away.

The wagtail is a slightly upgraded Osprey and the Spoonbill is an upgraded sea harrier.

I am off on exercise now, will be back thursday. Have fun without me:-(

Right, like Diggledom I'm gone until Thursday, Friday at the latest. I've posted Fireforce's countermove, and I apologize for my writing which feels "stilted" at the moment. Diggle; good luck on exercises. Where I'm going is Wrainwright, one of the Canadian army's primary training grounds in Northern Alberta, but I'm going there for my civvie-street job which involves inspecting drillpipe. It's gonna be an interesting week...

Gone from 26-08-07 to 30/31 08-07.

I got back last night, so a post will go up in a bit. The last bergen tab really took it out of me and has also caused my back to play up:-( yay for me going to the doctors again, but the end result will probably be me with more internet time shortly! That is good I think. Oh well.

Russkya, hope you had fun at wrainwright, that was a good post too. Hope you like the reply.

EDIT:
I have posted, not really that pleased with it but I suppose it will have to do.

Hooray for tabbing with bergans, Diggle. That shit ain't fun - well, rucking is, tabbing is, but when you combine the two it's hard on damn near everything. "I know. I'm going to have to move low and quiet through this patch of ground, with an extra hundred pounds strapped to my ass! ARAIGHDART!" Lots of fun.

Wainwright wasn't great. Only consolation is that I'm back before Friday. Time to review posts made in my absence and jump in where appropriate! Damned CFB is located near the town, so the women are all used to Infanteers and warn their daughters not to touch anything CADPAT or Oilman, and unfortunately I'm the latter. That said, I still got a shitload of beer for cheap from some female clerk because I was a charming and witty fellow.

Just have few questions before I respond to this, plus I'm going to let Russkya post for his Redstone guys before I put up my post as well.

Where exactly are your Albatross aircraft located and what altitude are they at?

Can you give me links/or general information on these HSARM-2s , ALARM-2s and ASRAAM-4s, I don't recognize their designations, so I'm assuming their NS designed missiles, just want to know what I'm dealing with here so I can best respond to them when the time comes. Same goes for the D-LAW-2.

Where exactly are your Spoonbill fighters? You mention they're twenty clicks in front of the insertion force, but you didn't mention where they were at, so I'm unsure as to the exact location of the fighters, or the insertion force.

Right, all my equipment is modified existing world weapons or resurrected projects from either the American or the British armed forces. I am trying to get the stuff all onto computer at the moment it is just on hard copy, I wrote most of it up when I was away from the computer. I'll get it all down tonight and hopefully post it before I go to bed. I will also try to post a timeline, I think that we have got our ideas of the attack timings slightly messed up, well atleast mine don't seem to sync with yours, but I haven't done a thread before so any help you can give me would be appreciated. Cheers.

Okay, first things first.

Specifications
HSARM-2
Boost/Sustain Motor
4.2m Long
0.25m Diameter
350kg
Mach 3
20km Range
100kg Warhead

A standard, if slightly large, anti radiation missile, homes in on enemy radar towers, radar vans and similar. Mainly used to take out emplaced positions.

ALARM-2
2 Stage Solid Motor/Guided Gravity Drop
3.5m long
0.3m diameter
200kg
Gravity Drop speed (depends on height)
80km Range
40kg/ kinetic kill warhead

This is from a weird American designed missile project they abandoned. The motor boosts the missile up till it is nearly in low orbit, well above flight paths and all. A parachute deploys and the missiles seeker head then engages, searching for any Radar outlets, once it has acquired them it sends the information back to a base station. If it gets permission to engage the target it jettisons the parachute and starts to drop, it is travelling down, guided only by fins until it hits. The kinetic energy alone is quite high, but the explosive really tops off the effect.

ASRAAM-4
Solid Motor
2.4m Long
0.2m Diameter
60kg
Mach 5
15km Range
5kg/ kinetic kill warhead

The D-LAW-2 is the newest British army Light Anti Tank weapon system. It is basically a stock version of it with a new designation.

Timeline
Since my idea of the time’s don’t seem to be right I was going to note it out here and can you point out any big mistakes I have please? Thanks.

0920 - Proverbial hit’s the fan, designators go on, alarms go off and missiles launch.

0921 -D-ANGS-2’s finish firing, planes already set off towards extraction points

0922 - 3 out of 4 Missiles impact, 15/20 seconds after shelling starts. Mi-17 Takes off, carrying fire force. Philip catches a 30 to the chest, dies.

0927 - According to Russkyan post #75 helicopters arrive.

This was where some confusion has arisen in my mind. My team were going to ‘shoot and scoot’ designate the targets, watch the fireworks. They were going to hang around for as short a time as possible, 2 mins tops, launch a missile or two at any remaining vehicles then pull back, repositioning their mines so the enemy would walk into them. They would then pull back, hoping to get picked up at around 0925/0930. Does that seem logical to you? Sorry about the messing around.

I had to work all day and I just got home, so I'm a little tired, appoligies if this is brief, as I don't have the time nor the frame of mind to write well just now.

First off, thanks for the information.

Second, I think I see the problem, at the start of Russkya's post he uses the time stamp 09:37 for the Fireforce team knocking on the door to a house somewhere.

But farther down he jumps back to 09:22 with the team in the helicopter responding to the call for help, with them arriving nearby as the shells are falling, the airfield they're deploying from is only about three kilometers away with part of his force on rapid reaction standbye in case of such an attack.

Additional confusion arose I believe when it looked like you were staying around alot longer then a few minutes, especially after you said you were re-engaging the battery. The timeline has been a little sketchy ever since 09:22, without any specifics said afterwords. Unfortunately I wasn't specifying a time either and took it for granted, which has led us to a little difficulty.

Yeah, the helicopter team had an ETA of 5 mins as well though. What do you want to do? I am happy to have the team absolutely slaughtered, but I would like to see if I can extract some of them, so I have had some on the ground intelligence. What do you guys think we should do?

I wasn't told that my QRF would have a mandatory minimum reaction time of five minutes, so my bad. I figured with the helicopter on standby and the troops ready to crash out, and the proximity of the LZ and the maximum speed of the Mi-17, we'd not be having many problems on my end.

Regarding the time-stamps, that's my bad. I should've reversed them. Intended to, but never got around to it. Stupidity.

I figure at this point the house thing and the firefight thing seem to be happening concurrently. I've had time to call 120mm and helicopter gunships have made multiple runs, I figure it's been at least five minutes of blasting away.

Ahh, screw it. I can write it up as your helicopters attacking as my guys are pulling back? I will still take casualties and we can go from there if you want? Somewhere around 0925, the last tunguska dead and the guys pulling back? How does that sound? And I can't claim the civilians, Diggledom citizens aren't allowed firearms.

Want me to?

Right, Jolt told me that my post went up yesterday, but I guess it lied to me, since I'm not seeing it here...

To quickly recap:
My confusion comes from your element seemingly getting into a protracted firefight rather than breaking contact. Now, Fireforce arrived as the position was being plastered by your artillery and cruise missile strikes, so I'm not entirely sure where that puts us. At the moment, I'm considering Fireforce to be on the ground, the Mi-24 gun runs to be complete, and your pair of troopers to be in contact with a Fireforce section.

I'd agree with calling it 09.25 and having you continue your withdrawal, I'd suggest you actually attempt breaking contact with the mercenaries defending the anti-air battery. At the moment, it doesn't seem as if you have yet, but I'm operating on barely four hours sleep a day now, so I may have missed it.

You may want to TG Kilrany your MSN address if you have one. That could help this go more smoothly; he can get you in contact with me on the infrequent times that I'm online.

Apollogies for my silence of late and to anyone waiting for a post from me, I have not abandoned this thread, I've simply had a hectic week of work, and got more to do today, I am attempting to get a decent post out.

SaintB, as for the ship you found, I'll deal with that in my post, since I believe you said your drone was in the Novajev national waters I'll have to make it one of their ships.

Enatai, I don't know if you expect a responce to that or not, if it's just a statement of interest, that's fine.

Diggledom, I had been under the impression from the thread that Russkya's force had hit the ground just as the first arty strike was ending, had they not landed there I would have had the mercs call in a mortar strike on your position anyway. However I am now somewhat confused as to what's going on due to these OOC questions that have been raised.

As for the civvies, if you don't want to claim them you don't have to, they could just as easily be some generic, non-descript nationals.

I'm suddenly regretting posting that IC government message from Novajev so early. I think it added its own timeline problems.

Diggledom civilians aren't allowed to own firearms even while in a foreign country, where presumably local laws and customs would allow? I didn't think it would be a big issue to have "generic adolescent female" go racing for her father's hunting rifle, but OK.

Apologies for the confusion here. Unfortunately I'll be leaving again soon, so let's get this sorted out either tomorrow or later today, because on Sunday I'm gone to Bow Island for a full seven days of tubular inspection and pain in the prairies. I might bring the laptop with me, but I don't know if I'll have access to the internet or not there - no idea which hotel / motel / piece o' crap we're being put up in.

OK, thank Kilrany, I'll have to remember to keep my OOC stuff in here now. The Prometheus Drones ar unarmed but they do pack defensive counter measures, missile ones, and a program that automatically kicks in if it tracks incoming projectiles.

I meant more they would have no experience with them. So it is likely that they wouldn't have even got one, maybe if they came with the house but I don't know. Even so I doubt a Diggleonians first thought would be firearms in that kind of situation. But hey. Have emailed Kilrany my msn, will try and get a post up asap.

Right, I have replied with my rough understanding of what things have happened and when, if you have any problems with it just let me know. But I am hoping it is okay.

Allright, Diggledom, looks good. Well written there - your casualties were heavier than I expected you to take, but given the amount of death being focused on you, I'm not surprised only Austen survived that.

Let's see if you can get him off the island now, yeah?

If you want to search the bodies go ahead, the clothing will all have been sanatized before the mission began though, in theory there should be nothing linking them back to Diggledom, anything interesting though feel free to run with it. Want me to try to sneak Austen out of there? I didn't specify how much damage he did to his leg, so it could go either way. I will have finished the orbat for the forces arriving soon too.

Sorry for the lateness and quality of the post, I am suffering from a mild case of writers block and a serious case of parentius stressingius.

My forces will probably wait for the reinforcements. Unless any one has any objections I will post them arriving tommorow night? Will post an orbat up on this thread so all will know what they are dealing with.

OK Kilrany... the stats for these drones can be found here in this link http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536013&highlight=saintb I'll make a post later on after I consider things for a bit.

Looks good. Austen may be a bit screwed now, I did specify that Mannorst and Wixley were Recce and Selous respectively well prior to this, so don't feel too slighted. ;)

Combat tracking is one of my hobbies. There are a few things that he can do to get away but I leave those up to you. It's been interesting to see your moves so far.

Hmmm, this is turning out to be more difficult than I expected. My own fault for underestimating the rebels I suppose. On the other side of things, since no one objected to me bringing in my reinforcements for the Marine Battlegroup I will post them arriving and, hopefully, the extraction of Austen.

Just so you know my armed forces are slowly taking shape, the Marine's, who you have already met in the form of the battlegroup use special Diggledom weapons only, wheras the normal troops all use Russian equipment. Mainly because it is different to what most people do. Just as a bit of a quick clarification.

Sorry for posting some thing into the history, I forgot to do it when I meant to.

Kilrany
Please could you email me all the infomation that a detailed satellite scan of the islands would pick up please? I am hesitant to make any of it up incase I go against anything you have already planned. I have a plan forming and it will all become clear in the next big post.

Russkya
Austen will be staying in his hide until nightfall, so I was going to take up his actions from there. I can post a little bit about him hearing the chopper if you want or I can just leave it? Upto you. Plus how was that for an unorthodox plan? Weirdest idea I could come up with.

While I thought I had mentioned during the course of certain IC posts what could have been seen by detailed satellite surveillance, I may have forgotten to add that. Regardless I’ll put the information here so that anyone else using satellites while know what they can see as well.

Obviously what I type here is really my own opinion on what I figure could be seen from satellite surveillance, I figured when I was writing this all up to start with the Novajev would know people would be looking at them through such a method and take the basic precautions in hiding what they could from it. To that end there are still certain things on the island I will not mention since no one has actually attempted serious ground reconnaissance yet.

First off anyone looking from above would easily be able to know that they had forces comparable to two battalions worth of combat forces, however exact composition would not be known. (IE. How many infantry platoons to mechanized infantry to motorized infantry, etc)

Additional support personnel would be visible as well, in this case the air defense units. Since there’s no way to hide an active early warning radar system you would know the location of each one, though the mobile one, which I have move every so often as mentioned in the RP would be more difficult to track.

To be honest this was written a little hastily, so if I missed something you feel should be here, feel free to mention it. Bare in mind I’m not mentioning trench systems that may overlook certain positions or being used as observation points due to the extreme ease in hiding simple trenches from satellite imagery.

The fixed P37 type early warning radar systems are located on the East at H4-I4 on hill 165 East of Kurlov. The Western P37 is at C3, North-northeast of Zhideijev at hill 162. The mobile early warning system moves at random intervals along the Northern hills to maintain watch on the Northern approach to the island.

There are three active air defense systems on both the East and the West sides of the island, they are the same composition as the one you took out on the Northeast of the island. However since that incident they’ve improved on their defenses, including mines and having the vehicles dug in better.

On the West side of the island they are located at the following locations.
C2, between hill points 232 and 254
Between grid points C4-D4, on hill point 141
C5, on hill point 76

On the East side of the island they are located at the following locations.
I1, on hill point 264, Northwest of Travoro and just North of the airfield.
H4, on hill point 150, East of Botresky.
I8, on hill point 91, Northeast of Surgusk

There are two primary bases on the island, five smaller bases and a firebase for heavier artillery.
The smaller bases are only for about two platoons of motorized infantry, much like having a police station and are essentially built just outside several villages; these are Malyshev, Volkova, Skitkova, Klishnev and Travoro. At their disposal are BTR-80s.

The Eastern base is located between coordinates I5-I6, East of Kalash and South of Chilkov.
The Western base is located between coordinates C6-D6, East of Barmakov and North of Kislovodsk on hill points marked as 54 and 55.
At both bases one could see some of their heavier mechanized units, including BMP-2s and BTR-Ts. Also, mortar pits would now be visible for 120mm mortars.

The firebase is located to the North, between coordinates F1-F2, West of Bilikov between points 491 and 516.
Easily visible would be the gun pits for the 120mm mortars and 152mm howitzers.

Diggledom:
Not a bad plan, though it's not going to get the tracker team off his ass just yet. The hide construction you were fortunate to get finished before the trackers show up, and you're lucky that they're experienced enough not to give away their position by firing into the dunes with a high caliber weapon, or incautious enough to start probing around the area where they lost the trail.

I'd suggest posting something about his preparations inside his hide, possibly getting in contact with the battlegroup offshore for an extraction, and hearing the helicopter is probably a good idea. That'll give me an opportunity to describe how the OP is set up later.

Russkya
Austen has bedded down, he is still semi-alert and he dosen't snore so no luck there:-p

Kilrany
What do you want to do about the naval hunting team? They are shadowing the Novajev navy, gathering intelligence, so any intelligence they would gather could be useful. Thanks.

Orbath
If you still want to drop your air cavalry in feel free. There is a nice landing deck ready to accept anything you drop in, but hopefully it is carrier based so it can be folded up.


Oh damnit, I forgot about the civilian evacuation. Right, that will be dealt with in a later post, though I think the Diggledom citizens will be happily moving towards the docks.

Are the packages that were unloaded at the southwest dockland still around? The ones that were hidden from the satellite recon? If not where would they be? Would they still be under the special covers? Cause I am trying to figure out what else my forces might be up to while the rescue is being planned and everything. Thanks.

Ah yes, it appears I only implied what was happenning with the crates offloaded equipment. They were shipped to the two large 'bases' that contain the bulk of the Novajev 'army'.

Though given the fact that Novajev appears to be openly letting people leave via medium air transport and the ferries that typically ran between Kilrany and Novajev, I'm not sure what's left for you to rescue other then your lone SF operative, heh.

In regards to the remains for the other operatives, I was waiting for Russkya to post about searching them, regardless of finding anything, but if he'd rather I do that part, I can put into the RP what becomes the remains.

I am moving all my stuff into uni accommodation, so i wont be able to post for two or three days, depending on how long it takes them to sort my internet out. I will try to get one last post up tonight and that will be it until I have moved in.

Not very happy with the post but please could you post what your fleet are doing and we can get this rescue mission underway. Cheers.

By my fleet I presume you mean the Kilrany fleet, it really hasn't done anything different since the begining, just holding position between Novajev and Kilrany, moving West to East and back again.

If you mean the Novajev fleet, I'll be updating their positions in my next post.

Though I do have a quick question, in your post you say your ships have taken up position off the coast of Novajev, just how far off the coast are they?

They are spread in open formation somewhere between 30-40km off the coast? That sound about right for the edge of territorial waters? And yes, i meant the Novajev navy.

Sorry if you have already posted it somewhere but I couldn't find any specs for the Pauk class fast attack ships. Was wondering what they were and a rough description please? cheers.

Not a problem, I did mention it briefly in one of my posts, but it's easy to have forgotten about it.

The ship isn't anything terribly special, it was designed for the Novajev by Kilrany to give them a ship that only needed a crew typically seen on a Corvette, but with the firepower of a Destroyer, this obviously has draw backs, namely limited ordnance and mission endurance.

I based the design off the warship seen in the very first picture of my opening post, which will give you an idea as to it's general appearance. Now I don't have access to my specifications at this time, but I can give you the excerpt from the IC post in which I tried to briefly describe it.

"Located to the front near the bow of the ship was a twin 130mm gun mount, just behind the gun mount were twenty four VLS tubes for the SA-N-9 Gauntlet air defense missile. Located along the sides of the ship next to the primary superstructure were four above deck launch tubes for the SS-N-22 Sunburn Anti-ship missile. Built on top of the ship’s primary superstructure behind the mast was a six-barreled 30mm AK-630 artillery system; prior to the coup the Kilrany Imperial Arms Manufacturers, who had been initially responsible for the design and construction of the ships for Novajev had been offering an upgrade package to the newer Kashtan-M system, only three of their ships had received the upgrade and the Kalash was not one of them. Behind the superstructure were several above deck launchers for the ship’s torpedoes, two four by three launchers on either side angled to port and starboard respectively, they were a fifty-fifty mixed of lighter anti-submarine torpedoes and heavier anti-ship torpedoes. Finally, at the request of the Novajev Navy, a twin rack of depth charges sat on the very stern of the ship, each holding a total of eight depth charges in sets of four."

It's little more then an upgunned corvette or light frigate if you like.

*Edit*
To note, there is a real world Pauk Class Corvette, a Russian ship, it is however smaller then my Pauk Class, had I been aware of it at the time I created this Pauk Class, I would have chosen a different name to avoid confusion.

Wow, that is one heavily armed little thing. Thanks for the info, will get a post up today.

Not a problem, I did mention it briefly in one of my posts, but it's easy to have forgotten about it.

The ship isn't anything terribly special, it was designed for the Novajev by Kilrany to give them a ship that only needed a crew typically seen on a Corvette, but with the firepower of a Destroyer, this obviously has draw backs, namely limited ordnance and mission endurance.

I based the design off the warship seen in the very first picture of my opening post, which will give you an idea as to it's general appearance. Now I don't have access to my specifications at this time, but I can give you the excerpt from the IC post in which I tried to briefly describe it.

"Located to the front near the bow of the ship was a twin 130mm gun mount, just behind the gun mount were twenty four VLS tubes for the SA-N-9 Gauntlet air defense missile. Located along the sides of the ship next to the primary superstructure were four above deck launch tubes for the SS-N-22 Sunburn Anti-ship missile. Built on top of the ship’s primary superstructure behind the mast was a six-barreled 30mm AK-630 artillery system; prior to the coup the Kilrany Imperial Arms Manufacturers, who had been initially responsible for the design and construction of the ships for Novajev had been offering an upgrade package to the newer Kashtan-M system, only three of their ships had received the upgrade and the Kalash was not one of them. Behind the superstructure were several above deck launchers for the ship’s torpedoes, two four by three launchers on either side angled to port and starboard respectively, they were a fifty-fifty mixed of lighter anti-submarine torpedoes and heavier anti-ship torpedoes. Finally, at the request of the Novajev Navy, a twin rack of depth charges sat on the very stern of the ship, each holding a total of eight depth charges in sets of four."

It's little more then an upgunned corvette or light frigate if you like.

*Edit*
To note, there is a real world Pauk Class Corvette, a Russian ship, it is however smaller then my Pauk Class, had I been aware of it at the time I created this Pauk Class, I would have chosen a different name to avoid confusion.

SOrry I'm so damn slow... little online time. If I remember correctly you staed in an earlier post novajev modified some of them a bit. My UAV has a few pictures and some video and my people might spot those, thats only if they actually did have a difference though if not I'm rambling

Indeed, only three out of their eight Pauk class had the AK-630 replaced with the Kashtan-M, and that change would not be hard to miss on its superstructure, nor would that fact be a state secret or anything, heh.

okay i have posted, sorry for the large amounts of small bits but that was the best way to do it I thought.

Works fine and it's kind of required given the alternating locations anyway. Be forwarned, this may take me some time to adequately write a responce to take losses and so forth given I need to make a few checks here and there.

Most of the stuff I have used I cross-referenced between wikipedia and a site called naval technologies. That is where it all was if you need to find it.

Indeed, I get most of my naval specifications from Naval-technologies as well. The trick is no site seems to contain useful information on the effectiveness of active sonar to give me a general idea how far out a submarine would be picked up using it. Mostly all I can find is that you can detect active sonar farther out then it will pick you up and so on, I also have limited access to 'definable' ASW practises. (IE things that actually work and I didn't simply see in a Hollywood, "screw realism and make it look/sound cool movie.") heh

I'll write the reply as soon as I get the oppertunity, have a family affair tonight for thanksgiving and whatnot so I'll be out for a while before I can write again, I just want to try and make it decent and believable, anyway, I got to go so this is a sloppy post, ideally you get my point though. heh

Before I make a long winded post that might have been written under a false assumption I just want to ask a quick question Diggledom as this just occured to be.

In your post you only indicated that the torpedoes were fired, is that the case and that you're going to wait for my response to the torpedo attack before opening fire with your ship's guns, or did you mean to have them open fire and me respond to the shelling as well?

This is probably obvious but I just wanted to make sure before I post.

I was not firing and waiting, just so that if anything comes up it dosen't get too complicated. The torpedoes are fast enough so that they should all hit before I have to post the firing. I was going to post the firing and a couple of other things seperately, sorry for not making it clear.

No, that's not a problem, I was pretty sure you were just firing the torpedoes then and there, but I just wanted to make sure before I wrote it out.

The SS-N-29's you launched, are they on passive or active homing? Cheers.

My bad, thought I had indicated they went active when they hit the water. So yes, they're using active sonar. I figure it's there best bet to hit their target all things considered.

One set of torpedoes you did, just wanted to be clear with the others. Will hopefully post in a bit.

Not such an urgent clarification but what kind of climate is Novajev, more specifically what would be an approximate water temperature? But I don't need that info to post. Cheers.

Well the region is temperate, warm summers, cool, not so much cold winters, however I started this in the Summer so we'll keep it in that seasonal period right now.

I'm not terribly sure what the water temperature would be, but if you're thinking of using a thermocline I don't think you'd find one in the relatively shallow waters around Novajev(Not sure on that since I'm no expert). I say relative as it's obviously deep enough for large ships and submarines, but you're not going to be able to dive to two hundred meters

Well, I have posted. Not entirely sure of the quality, but it seems believeable, which is always good. The info was more for the survivors of the Southern sub. But dosen't matter for a bit, if at all. Cheers.

I was writing up the new post but then I noticed something, the southern submarine, the one that was damaged by the torpedo, launched four missiles as it was surfacing. Assuming that the outcome is the same I will just post as if the four missiles had been taken down. Does that sound okay? Cheers

Whoops, I misread that, I'll give it some quick thought but at this time I don't think the outcome would change too much given that it's one target among three, the hulks of the other two ships still on the surface would be as much of a distraction as any decoy, and it doesn't have to worry about interfering with another ship's radar by using chaff and whatnot.

Okay. Do you mind my guys rescuing the survivors? If I get a chance I will send some choppers over to pickup any survivors. Have posted.

I've got not problem with that, the Novajev are going to be far to busy now to rescue them themselves, though they're not going to be able to recognize the difference between a rescue helicopter and a troop helicopter so it's possible they might open fire. Though this all depends just how badly the 'shit has hit the fan' when the time comes to it. heh.

Yay! Battle:-D Hmmm, will probably try to rescue them, dispatch a small ship or something. We will see. Oh, normally I am an honest person and all, so I apologise for the Diggledom diplomats slightly lying ways, but hey, all is fair in love and war.

Ps, loving the helicopter action, made me smile:-D Which battlegroup are the missiles heading for? Cheers.

Indeed, I'm quite an honest person as well, but ICly, anything, and I do mean anything one of my characters say could be a bald faced lie, heh. Always important to make the distinction between things said ICly and OOCly, though obviously you know this, heh.

As for task force, hmmm, I was under the impression they were essentially spread out from North to South over several kilomters, I'll double check what you have written as the location of your ships as obviously I misread/forgot something, heh.

Right then, I'm not entirely sure of the exact make up of your close in taskforces here, as I'm assuming your carrier is well back from the coast line, the Novajev are concerned with the ships on top of them right now. Would you be able to give me a brief OOC outline of just what is where? I'm having difficulty finding the specifics spread out in the IC thread.

Yeah, sorry it isn't amazingly well explained.

Right:
In theatre I have
2 Ivan Rogov Class Large Landing Ships
1 Kuznetsov Class Heavy Aircraft Carrying Cruiser
4 Kirov Class heavy Missile Cruisers
8 Neustrashimy Class Frigates
8 Sovremenny Class Destroyers
4 Akula III Attack Submarines

Opposite Travoro
1 Kuznetsov Class Heavy Aircraft Carrying Cruiser
1 Ivan Rogov Class Large Landing Ships
1 Kirov Class heavy Missile Cruisers
1 Akula III Attack Submarines
2 Neustrashimy Class Frigates
2 Sovremenny Class Destroyers

Opposite Bitarjev
1 Ivan Rogov Class Large Landing Ships
2 Kirov Class heavy Missile Cruisers
6 Neustrashimy Class Frigates
6 Sovremenny Class Destroyers

The submarines are spread out, 2 north and 1 south. One southern one is the one that is dead and sinking. The Kirov, Neustrashimy and Sovremenny are the ones that are doing the bombardment at the moment, the Kuznetsov is further back, guarded by the Akula opposite Travoro. The main bombardement is from the ones opposite Bitarjev. The battlegroups are seperate, spread out slightly, but designed to provide interlocking anti-air defences.

Sorry for not being overly clear, any role paying tips would be greatly appreciated:-D

No, that's not your fault, its a tricky thing to write in the proper locations and numbers of units and what not, at least I find it to be, often times I see people make a list like this at least OOCly just so there are no misunderstandings. It's especially prevelent when you have a huge number, the fact that I set up the Novajev with a relatively small fleet makes it easy to explain their locations, plus I'm not doing anything complex, heh.

Now comparing positions on the map, it would appear that the missiles will all be coming in at you from a Southwest direction. Since you're carrier is farther back, despite it being a pretty big target, the Novajev are focusing on the ships in close, the Kirovs are their prime target. From your listing here I would say the South and East missile sites would have fired on the 'Bitarjev' taskforce while the Northern missile site would have fired at the 'Travoro' group. On their lo-lo flight profile they're rated at 150km (300km with a hi-lo), so they've got alot of fuel to maneuver here.

So ten missiles for the Travoro group and twenty for the Bitarjev group coming in about 5 meters off the water at mach 2. For the real world, these missiles scare the crap out of me, heh. Sadly most people like to use PMT now and call it MT so these would likely be nothing, heh.

Out of curiosity, where's the fourth Kirov at?

Oh damn, the fourth kirov. I was meant to have it back with the carrier. My bad. I forgot all about it. It hasn't been firing, the troopship, carrier, kirov and submarine are waiting for the defences to be pushed back before they moved forwards.

Righto, I sort of figured it was likely back there with the carrier, a single submarine seemed a little light on protection for it, heh.

Okay. I will try to post tommorow, my flt sgt is leaving, so we are going on a pub crawl with her:-D Will be well fun. I will also start some more diplomatic dealings with the Kilrany I think, so be ready for a wave of politely worded weirdness:-p

What detection system would the Novajeveans use to detect the Diggledom navy? It isn't completely necessary for this post but it would still be useful.

I'm not sure of the proper names for most of them, but first off you'd have the radar systems on their naval vessels which would know where you are, at least those with a line of sight on them, the ground based P-37s only had air dectection capabilities I believe.

What was used for the missiles however was the radar jury rigged to the Mi-17 called the E-801M Oko (Eye), the same used on the Ka-31 which is used to detect both air and surface contacts as far out as a possible 200km. As I had it set up, the operators in the back were transmitting the positions of your ships up until they had to take evasive action, and they lost the use of it, heh.

Okay, thanks. I am just finishing off the post, the missile damage seems remarkably light. I checked around and it seems vaguely belieavable if the intercept and kill rates that I found are right. Tell me if you think more should have happened, but I wasn't really sure what to make of it.

The Diggledom forces are preparing to move in, as they move in they are recieving SATINT on the area around Travoro, full spectrum scans and the like. Nothing much will have changed around Travoro? Will leave that for the next post though.

Right then, now that Jolt is finally responding I had the oppertunity to read the post. Not bad, but I have to admit I have a few minor gripes, though not with how many missiles were shot down. The Kashtan is probably the best real world CIWS out there and I would assume you would have made improvements to it as I have that would allow it to engage missiles going above 600m/s. Although just to note, the terminal phase of the missile would appear to begin around 25 - 20 km, and it is equiped with a radar-warning receiver and analyzer, letting it take evasive maneuvers when necessary. Yet another reason this missile scares me and makes me glad I'm not a sailor, heh. Though this is partially my fault for not going into more detail in my post on the missile, I was trying not to make it into a terribly long technical specifications post, heh.

Now the actual gripes, I only have two really, first off, the damage seems quite light for 250 kg (553 lbs) of high explosives going off inside the hull of a ship. Though I don't expect to actually sink them with the missile hit; let's face it, letting air in by hitting above the water line is alone unlikely to sink it. But that's alot of high explosives going off inside the hull, shrapnel and concusive forces alone would do a number on any crew near the section of the ship hit. It occurs to me I wasn't terribly specific on the casualites or full extent of the damage on the Novajev vessel that got hit, but I was saving that for a follow up post, heh.

The second gripe is just the fact that they were all targeting the Kirovs as priority targets as stated, they would not target any other ships unless they registered a hit on their priority, as is part of their programming options and within their ability to 'talk' to each other.

Oh okay, I thought that since they were talking to each other they would target the Kirov's with more missiles than the others, my bad.

The damage, to be honest I have absolutely no idea how much damage a warhead that size would do to a ship. I will up it:-D

If you want to post your answer then I will edit the post, the damage and stuff. The amount of hits will stay the same, but will up the damage a bit if that is okay? I didn't really understand the targeting thing, my bad. What site did you get the info on their targeting from? I could only find general, pretty crappy info to be honest.

Ah, I see, I should have been more specific. Good to get some actual practise in combat RP here, heh, I'm somwhat lacking in experience in it as well.

I'll get to work on a post as soon as I can, got a surprisingly busy day, as for damages, I guess I don't know what to say on that really, hard to call that, just seems lite for one of these missiles scoring a hit.

As for sites, I cross referenced with a number of them, some had contradictory information and I took some of the higher numbers as a result.
Here are a few of them, ideally they all work for you.
Site one (http://www.missilethreat.com/cruise/id.103/cruise_detail.asp)
Site two (http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Yakhont.html)
site three (http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312)

Well, I wrote up new damage. Left it kind of vague but I am assuming the Kirov's VLS is not working and the northern one had completely screwed up the bow, reducing speed and manuvearing ability.

Sorry for the number of short posts, I wanted to give you a chance to respond. Thanks for the other info, I need to sort out my government system and all but I have posted a military organisation thread for Diggledom. The link is Organisation (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=541026). Anything else just ask and sorry for the slightly patchy quality of the post.

Sorry for the small post on my end here too, I figure I've delayed long enough in finally get a post up and I figure I too need to give you the oppertunity to respond to the situation as it developes step by step.

Sorry for delaying the thread again, and here is the but, BUT :-p I was wondering if the eastern AA sites had a clear line of sight to the diggledom navy, I was operating under the assumption that they couldn't due to the mountains between them and the navy, but I just wanted to clarify it anyway. Don't know what I will do different if they do, but still, would be nice to know. cheers.

No problem. As for the 'heavy' AD sites (those with the SA-17s), well you effectively took out the one on the Northeast near the airfield, little left functioning up there, only the guns on the Tunguskas left as a threat.

But the Eastern (H4, on hill point 150, East of Botresky.) and Southeastern (I8, on hill point 91, Northeast of Surgusk) sites have relatively clear fields of fire over your fleet since they're twenty some kilomters off the coast to the East, there's no mountain between them and your ships. There are some trees in the way of some of them, but that's not a serious limitation.

The major mountain is on the North and Northeast of the island and if I understood the location of your ships properly, you're East of Travoro at your farthest point North(roughly of course).

Kilrany
Oh bugger. I forgot to post them shifting fire. *Insert mental image of me smacking head against wall repeatedly* They were meant to eliminate the AA sites on the eastern side of the island leaving the only working AA sites on the west. ARGH! Hmm, I have lectures all day tommorow, might be able to post tommorow night, if not tuesday night, but if you want to prepare a rough outline, the ships are going to shift fire towards those radar sites. The helicopters will be on route, people inside will be preparing their weapons and a rescue operation will be mounted for the survivors of the brief surface battle, both Novajevean and Diggleonian. Sorry for the mess up, will try to get one decent post up tommorow. Thanks for putting up with my mistakes.

Russkya
Will post Austen's response at the same time. I hadn't finished him getting out of the hide, he was going to try and get in contact with any nearby friendly forces before moving but I can insert that in before he gets out and gets shot at.

That explains a lot actually. I was rather surprised when you seemed to leave those sites unharmed. heh. And gotcha.

Posted! And it seemed to grow while I was writing it too. Oh well. Am going to go out soon for an anniversary dinner but will be back sometime tonight, so I might even manage to get a post up!

Russkya
Will post Austen's response at the same time. I hadn't finished him getting out of the hide, he was going to try and get in contact with any nearby friendly forces before moving but I can insert that in before he gets out and gets shot at.

Ahh, shit. I wasn't paying close enough attention, was too fixated on how to pin him down with the machinegun. I see that you've worked it out though (nicely done!) and we'll move on then.

No problem Russkya, I was wondering if you had an email address I could send a map too cause it would be easier if we both had an idea what the area looks like. Just we both seem to have a slightly different idea of what the area looks like. It would just be easier I thought.

I need to write a responce to another thread first, but that shouldn't take long, I just have a quick question in regards to the rounds you're using. Now I know you haven't mentioned using them, but are you aware of any rocket assisted rounds for the AK-130s aboard the Kirovs and Sovremmenys? The information I can find on these weapon systems don't seem to mention them. I ask this becuase otherwise the firebase is actually outside their gun range.

Unless you're using a different version of the map than Kilrany, I'll get the cartography off him. I can probably get detail images of each gridsquare as the action unfolds as well, if you're interested.

Kilrany,
Oh bugger. Is it? I was thought that each square on the map = 2km.

Then I worked it out as 3.5 squares from firebase to coast is 7km
+ 14km off the coast to the ships gives a total of 21km from ships to firebase.

I was only firing using the northern group, who are slowly moving towards the coast to try and throw off the aim of the firebase gunners. Have I misplaced the firebase on my mental map? If so sorry and I will change the post. Cheers:-D

The range of the Ak system I have found as being between 23km and 21km using non assisted rounds. To be fair I haven't found any assisted rounds either, I think Diggledom will have to start production but at the moment I am trying to use only slightly modified Russian equipment.

Russkya,
Yeah, could you get a detailed image of the beach? I meant more we had a different idea of what the beach looked like more than anything else. Would just be good to have a more solid view of it. Thanks.

Indeed, it does seem I made a slight miscalculation on the distance, I thought it was 23km. However the problem isn't so much the direct distance between both positions, but the fact that the firebase is 400m above sea level, changing the trigonometry work just a little bit.

From what I thought I knew about artillery is that would force the guns to take a higher angle to hit the target using their ballistic arc, since you also have to shoot over the 740m tall mountains.

However I have since tryed to work out the numbers but my trigonometry isn't very good and I'm not to sure about numbers on the AK-130, so for the sake of not going crazy on this I wont worry about it. A little lee way is simply called for as I suppose it would have only given them a minute reprive from those ships to move a kilometer closer or something anyway.

Well, assuming near perfect conditions it will be in a nice parabolic arc, which I have been learning all about today:-S very complicated shiz, but yeah, who cares? just say the first set of shells miss, the two ships that are firing are moving towards the shore in a "V" with wobbly lines, if that makes sense? The 'top' of the V moving towards the coast with the ships moving away from each other to try to split the fire? Whatever is easiest for you. My guys are hoping to pinch Austen and scarper, mainly cause IC'lly I could do with a friend and OOC'lly I could do with someone with a bit more experience that would hopefully run through another RP with me without attempting to cover Diggledom with their uber-troops of godliness.

lol, indeed, though to be fair I'm not exactly the most experienced roleplayer either, and you'll never need to worry about me using "uber-troops of godliness", heh, haven't got any of those.

Post will be delayed a little longer though annoyingly enough, been unsuccessfully trying to write since last night. Will have something up ASAP.

LoL, no problem about the wait, I am happily trying to avoid doing my assignment, so any excuse for a wait is good:-p

Unfortunately there isn't a beach in the North East. The entire island except for a few select areas in the South has what's referred to as a Dalmation Coastline, which is quite common where I'm living now, nearly everything is a bare cliff-face that drops straight into the sea.

However, there is a small patch of sand down a rise of about fifty meters. It'll be obvious as the lighter textured area in the following image, Figure One. It's not very large, and there are no dunes on it, but for the sake of arguement let's say there are dunes and that there's a copse of trees overlooking it. (There are two, actually, the series of black hollow circles on the map, but let's imagine there's another.)

Reference Figure One (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j8/PavelKirilovich/NationStates/Figure1.jpg).

I can't say I'm terribly happy with my latest post given its relatively small size and the time it took to get it up, but given the situation I think it's all I can say for the time being untill more time actually goes by, heh.

Hmmm, that is going to cause problems. My fleet is still to the right of the island, I was working under the assumption that the beach was about halfway down the square that is above Travoro. The wood they attacked from was at the top north of the island so they would have had to chase poor Austen through the base he just helped attack.

Or can we use a bit of the ships amazing handwavery drives to stick a couple off the coast to the north, maybe a Ivan Rogov and a Sovremenny with the Akula? Then the helicopter flight would all be the same? Just the location of the launching ship would be different?

This has nowt to do with this thread, but i would just like to draw the worlds attention to the new thread, by me called 'Free Land!' Look for it! i want as many folks as possible involved.

Ah, clarity ensues, heh. I see where the problem came about, you had been a little vague in just what direction you had attacked the AD battery from and what direction Austen left in and I incorrectly assumed it was away to the West along the North coast to take him away from the towns where civvies might spot him.

I should have just taken the higher resolution images of the island in the first place, but in doing so the number of buildings in the towns would have been known and I wouldn't have been able to have a very large population, I also only have access to MS Paint and limited editing skills.

For the sake of moving along, I think we can work with the current situation, and since I wasn't clear on what was what on this map, something I should have done rather then taking for granted how much I knew about the layout. So let us assume there is a small beach in that area North of Travoro rather then a 50m drop into the sea.

Okay, I will wait for Russkya to post then I will try to get one up, but it may be after this weekend cause I am going out to a cadet camp. see you!

Not sure what I can post, but I'll get one up. Odd time of the year for a cadet camp, but good luck there and/or on your FTX, we'll continue when you get back.

Okay, thanks for the post. Will get a reply up on monday. I thought it was a bit odd but it is a new sqn and everything and it appears to be a sqn tradition. Oh well, just going to freeze to death at this rate. See ya.

I feel like my slow posting and lack of online time to pay real attention to the IC thread is only harming the RP and furthermore that I haven't contributed well.. anything. If you guys agree with me I'll withdraw from the RP ICly.

While it's true nothing currently hinges on a post from you, that is understandable since you've had difficulty with your online time. If you'd like to quietly withdraw from the RP that's you're call, as I said its understandable, but if you'd like to stay involved in whatever way you can, that's fine to.

Russkya,
If you want to you can catch up with Austen. He has a pistol, but he is banking on the helicopters turning up in time so he won't open fire. He would be cooperative but slow and wouldn't give any infomation past name number and rank.

A little disppointed with my latest post, doesn't read nearly as well as it sounded in my head when it came to be at work, heh, ah well, there is it. I guess now we just await a reply from Russkya as to what his men.

Not really that happy with that post, but meh, I will have to live with it. Anything else that needs to be finalised? I think at the end of this thread a diplomatic discussion will be opened into, but we will see.

That post was so much better in my mind. Crud. The helicopter's are both heading back towards the fleet, both damaged. The lead helicopter has Austen in, the second sped inland to draw the BTR off before dropping to the deck and speeding towards the sea as well. Sorry for the quality but I am in a hurry and probably wont be able to post for a while, uni work, family and cadets seem to be conspiring at the moment.

Umm, I did launch 4 helicopters to pick up the survivors before hand, they have been flying for about 3 minutes. I just wanted to ask cause they ain't mentioned in your post. Dunno if they would even be able to be seen by your guys but wanted to give you the heads up. Will post in a while hopefully.

Indeed, I'm aware of those helicopters, but there hadn't been any mention of them after their launch and the Novajev vessels were pretty much always there and a threat. Since I wasn't sure of the exact position of those helicopters anymore, and we'd finished the bit with Austen, I'd bring the attention back South to see what the reaction was.

The admiral is actually being honest. I kind of want to post up a bit of the helicopter rescue so I thought I might as well have a go at doing it legitimately:-p

Sorry for the delay, finally had the chance to sit down and write out a responce and when I finished Jolt was having one of those database errors.

It would also appear that I just messed with your plan, didn't see your last OOC message, darn malfunctioning email update messages, ah well, there it is.

LoL, no problem. Not sure if I will get a decent post up today but I will try. I will keep the rescue post to one side, I am quite proud of it:-D

I am assuming you *have* launched? Just to make sure. But cheers.

I left it a little bit vague though so you could have room to have your Captain say what you'd like and send whatever message you'd like, but still keep things moving along.

Completely off topic I know but,

Russkya, have you ever written up the history of the Sorachoak war? I was wondering if you had cause I cant find any reference to it on the forum:-( A link would be much appreciated if time is permissing.

I haven't really written up a history of it, but I was considering writing a brief dossier on the conflict from the Russkyan PoV as a kind of "This is why I say that certain units have combat experience in Sorachoak, this is what it was" thing. Might put that in the factbook if and when I do it.

Hey guys, like I explained to Kilrany, present workloads are cramping me somewhat, and when I say somewhat I mean I am buried to my scalp in work of different varieties. So Delsea if you want to post and I will try to post a mega catch-up when I get a chance? I am still interested in keeping this thread going, just dont really want you to have to wait for me.

Alright, I'm working on a reply, some of its done but it’s too late to finish now, so hopefully I'll finish it up tomorrow (Friday) before I have to go to work.

Azazia - Could I get an organization/listing of your fleet entering the area along with any pertinent information on custom vessels here for reference?

Edit: Just remembered, I also wanted to ask the proper name for your people, do I refer to your nation as Azazia or Oceania?

Edit 2: Figure I'll let everyone update their positions or post something if they'd like given the fact I slowly moved the timeframe up to morning before I actually write the shelling itself.

Argh, I finally got a chance to look at the thread and saw my post! I apologise, something appears to have eaten the layout and spat it out in blocks of text.

Ah, I thought there was something really off about the formating, figured though you had been rushed.

Just to note, I will be delayed in posting 'I think', will depend what happens this coming week. One of the other employees at my job filed their two weeks notice not long ago and has since quit, so I've been picking up alot of the slack, time has been limited, but regardless I have not given up on any of my threads. Just wanted to give a heads up that my posts will likely be infrequent ... not that they weren't already, heh.

*Sigh* I'm really rather disappointed in myself here, I had expected to finally get a post out today(Friday) but I wasn't able to finish(and I have no intention of posting an incomplete reply) it before I had to go to work (nine hour shift) and am unable to finish it tonight now as I get another oh so nice long shift Saturday(ten - thirteen hour shift). So I'm going to tentively state my intent to get my post up late Saturday night - Sunday afternoon at the latest, assuming there are no further freak snow storms that knock out power ... again.

It's all good man because when you get to it, I'm sure it's going to be a very good read as usual! Not to mention i have been working on trying to get a better fact-book up, i mean my wiki one had all these spelling mistakes and it was so informal it was a joke

Well, it’s up, still shorter then I would have liked, but it’s at a point I don’t mind leaving it off at to get something up that ideally all can respond to. I may have been a little hasty with it, so if I missed something of importance, don’t hesitate to mention it and I’ll reply again.

I’m not sure Azazia what you were assuming your men would know ICly, not entirely anyway, so at this point with the latest Kilrany missive it should be safe to say you know as much as anyone else, IE that the mercs came from the FLRJ, they’re using NATO small arms with Soviet/Russian armour, namely some BTR-80s, BMP-2s and BTRTs. If you have any further questions in regards to any additional information I may have neglected to mention but you’d like to know, just ask here and I’ll confirm whether or not the Kilrany would have sent that along for you to know.

i fixed the map link

I set up an embassy exchange program, so if the guys who are on this thread could sign up I would appreciate it.

if Kilrany and Russkya could fill in the details, you have already got assigned embassies waiting for your ambassadors. Cheers.

I have had all my questions answered, so I am happy for the meeting to finish, unless anybody has any objections?

kilrany is just waiting for the UK to see if he has any questions

Indeed, that is essentially what I'm doing. I don't RP anything but my own 'people' unless given specific authorization, so yeah; I'm just waiting for any extra words to be spoken before I end the meeting or anything like that.

Yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that I was finished for now, what with the amount of questions I have been asking, aided mainly by the fact I have loads of work so I wasn't able to sit down and give it a good long thought out response. Since I didnt want the thing to drop to the back of my mind I kept coming back:-D

Just out of interest Delsea, where have your troops landed? I couldn't find any indication in the post. Cheers.

fuck i knew that was a bad post, i think im missing alot of important shit haha um well in my mind they landed on the coordinates I9.

Sorry about that.

Ah, I9, useful to know.

Couple questions though, first, the sniper-spotter pair, could you be a bit more specific about where they’re engaging? Is it supposed to be at Bykhov near where you landed?

Next question, the missiles launched from the submarine, you didn’t specify what they were, but mentioned nuclear warheads, I’m going to assume you didn’t just nuke the island, heh, so just for clarification, this was to be a cruise missile strike correct? Also for clarification, can you be a bit more specific in regards to targets? Are you hitting government buildings and Novajev military structures, as defensive works right now really are dug in heavy weapons positions camouflaged by brush and whatnot and hull down armoured vehicles.

Additionally, were the Kilrany supposed to know about this missile launch from a submarine? I don’t recall you mentioning it ICly and I just want to check incase I missed it.

I guess that’s it, I just want to be sure I understand before I write up my post.

All right, I’m out of time, I have to go to work in a couple of minutes and I will be incommunicado there for the next eleven hours, however I will have a laptop with me and I have copied the last several posts on to a flash memory card so I can write a reply there. I do not wish to waste the free time I will get there today to write, so I intend to use it to do that writing.

I will do so from what I can best infer from what is in those posts as they are now, I would ask that given the seemingly rather drastic change in the pace of the thread that no one post until I have a chance to reply to the current situation.

In regards to your post Delesa, I will go with what I can best infer from what is written, that being your sniper is engaging someone in Bykhov as it is the closest manned position to your landing zone, and that your missiles were launched either minutes after this sniper shot, or at the same time given the flow and timeframe of your post, which would put it after nightfall.

I will ideally have a response prepared to go up by the time I return from work.

Yeah sorry about that.

Lets see.... um yeah little miss Vigilante would have fired cruise missiles. Targets would purely be military installations, any small air strips, and rail ways (not stations just tracks). And all of these would be only really in the vicinity of that south eastern peninsula (my targeted landing zone).

That sniper post i wasn't really sure how to go about it, but basically the team would have pressed inland towards Bykhov. And I just took it for granted there would be mercenaries somewhere along the way. Just failed to mention that. I have been failing to mention several important things... i think im going to take myself in the back room and beat myself. Haha

Wow... ummmm i just found a crucial mistake in my last two RPs hahaha turns out i have listed the Vigilante twice and with two different captains, way WAY sorry... can't believe i did that... *slap in the face* get a hold of yourself man!

Does that mean that it won't have split into MIRVs? Or will the MIRVS each have a conventional warhead?

Yeah my D4 Industries did have a project along those lines but i have never used it before and never expanded on the idea and just continued to use tomahawk missiles. Trident style missile with conventional missile payload, this will be the first ever used by the Commonwealth. I have been working on my next post, i'll elaborate the idea in that.

How long would it take before the Tridents begin to land? And will they split into MIRVs or will they act as one big ass cruise missile?

Wow, that was way to close a call, Russkya actually flipped a coin as to whether the Me'ei would start a war with his own nation over this incident and it almost came to a nuclear exchange between them, which would have drawn in the Kilrany.

Um in my next post they'll land, and they will split, several MIRVs hitting in a general area so you got lots of destruction on the rail ways and such.

I don't think sorry quite suffices... haha

Well okay, i am assuming the diplomatic messages went out after the 2 and a bit hours, but the in theatre ones went out quicker? Or the Diggledom forces will be launching S-300's at them as they come back to land, because they don't know what is happening. And yes, it was slightly, what is the word here, hmmm, foolish?

Yes... haha well I'll do what every good capitalist nation does; put someone under investigation possibly charge him, court will find him guilty and so on and so forth.

My bad! Pretty interesting that i could have started a nuclear war with just that. Interesting in the sense that the Commonwealth would have a lot of civilian deaths to be blamed on... Crap, in hindsight maybe at least I should have warned my friendliest nation Azazia...

at the very least, it makes for a nice plot turn...

Yeah, everyone nearly fucking died. Ten points man, ten points.

A warning would have gone down well, or launching cruise missiles rather than ballistic ones:-p But oh well, it will make this slightly more interesting.

My troops will let the missiles land then, since I am assuming you sent the theatre specific message out almost as soon as they were launched. Glad we got that sorted, after the near shit-storm that started.

i thought i posted a theatre message

and well yeah it got this sucker spiced up, now for the real war.

only 10 points? damn man

EDIT: Coded Message to Coalition Forces

Just recently the SSBN HMDS. Vengeance fired 12 Trident style missiles, loaded with conventional missile payloads towards the Novajev coast. They are armed and actively sending out an IFF type code that should be picked up on radar. Any further concerns, we are happy to reply and solve.

so i did

yeah you did, just didnt stick a time stamp on it was all. The two and a quarter hour wait earlier in the post while Russkya waited for your diplomats was what I meant.

So basically Russkya got a message at launch +138 Mins, from your diplomats and the theatre message went out at Azazia asking what was happening + a few seconds.

oh well the coded message was a response to Azazia's message, hence Russkya wouldn't have gotten the message but yeah I see what you mean

btw im almost done a big honking post, it will be put up tomorrow i have work tonight

Umm, in regards to your big post, you may have to retcon some of it.

Cause;

A) You surfaced a submarine, everyone will now be paying attention, and probably doing something about it.

and

B) You have sent a series of paratroops through the strait. While not directly hostile it is almost guaranteed the Me'i will respond and possibly the Russkyan forces as well.

On that side of things, what route did your planes use to enter the theatre? More for my mind while I set my next post, cheers anyways:-)

about the sub, if they someone has a problem with it, RP as usual as if my invasion didn't take place, but i moved on because my mishap is not the central idea of this RP, although a big mistake, i can tell you i have no intentions of warning anyone apart from Kilrany in respect to his nation, and Azazia as an partner in crime haha

second they would have flown over the channel, in Kilrany territory. Need i remind everyone or maybe you didn't catch or know, my nation is big on the no friendly fire so everything is armed with an IFF. It's a waste of man power and awful to tell relatives of the dead that there boy or daughter died cause some moron didn't look twice or follow proper ROE. This might be just because I'm canadian hate the americans for killing our guys not once but twice, and shooting up a british tank, like damn.

Now back on track, at the meeting i suggested we exchange IFF codes so i just am taking for granted we did so i am not worried of getting shot at. If Me'i and Russ want to shoot 'em down, so help them.
:p

Speaking as a firm supporter of the British Armed forces, I can entirely understand your, hmmm, lack of nice feelings where the trigger-happy americans are concerned;)

The second bit was more that the Me'i especially will start being mardy I think, but where are the paratroopers landing? Cause from the way it was written it is next to a bridge and mentioned Noginska I assume it is the eastern end of the southern most bridge?

And what targets are you firing at with your missiles? And for that matter, with your bombers? Cause Kilrany will need to Rp damage from them and most of the mercenary forces are now in built up areas, waving surrender flags.

What's got me concerned is that your combined fleet of transports and amphibious assault ships just teleported through the Zuiderzee Strait and commenced landing operations. I'm having a bit of a time keeping track of most of this with regards to the chronology.

Detail would be good, I shouldn't have to reference the OOC thread to find out what route the C-130s with tremendous endurance are taking.

Given the action in the Strait right now it's bad drills just to teleport on through. It's 350km at its narrowest point, with the international area only being ~150km wide in the center, because of the hundred klick territorial waters that the KIN and MPNOL patrol aggressively simply to narrow the channel. So using that as scale, you can imagine how long it is, and it'd take a bit longer than your post seems to suggest.

Well seriously I don't wanna get bogged down in something that isn't going anywhere. If you plan on doing anything to my fleet well then I'll pull them back, but if you aren't I'm not going to sit around and wait for people to respond when sometimes this thread goes no where. Not saying thats an issue we all got RLs, but when I have time to do this, I'm not going to sit around.

So unless anything more important with the my fleet is going to happen then there really shouldn't be a problem with them zipping across. But if your Me'i do plan on doing something even stupider then what I did (launch those blasted missiles), on my forces (like attacking), well then thank god for the edit button.

And I will admit that the part about the plane was started as just an idea, and in my haste to post, I just copied and pasted, So sorry about that one, I just wanted to get the invasion started before people disappear for some time again. Like I already know I'm going to become real busy soon and may not even see this keyboard for some time.

That's understandable: yesterday I had issues posting because I could not access NationStates at all, either the main site or the forums. I've been playing catch-up for most of the evening.

But you'll note that the Strait is rather large and that MPNOL was in the process of blocking it off, in addition to RVMF groups about-facing and the KIN freaking out, not to mention the groups further north, in the Central Sea itself.

Nearly precipitating an inter-regional nuclear exchange is hardly going nowheres. And when the force that nearly caused ragnarok to happen teleports away before anything bad can happen, that can be seen as an issue.

Where are the firecrackers landing? I would like exact locations if possible, since we are all operating off the same infomation I was wondering where they would be going. Cheers.

I don't know, like it says in my post, they are striking railways and such and i don't know where they are on the map. My post also says they are striking in the south-west and possibly interior, but thats because i don't know where the stuff is.

Well, you said they would be aimed at "purely be military installations, any small air strips, and rail ways".

Since there are no railways and no other air fields, it leaves the possibility of military installations. All the bases have been abandoned and already shelled by the Kilrany. The only military forces left are in towns, so will your missiles be engaging them or will they hit the already shelled military bases?

Well yeah what I say goes, I RPed it already I'm not going to change it. By military installations that also means supply depots and such not just fortifications.

So, they won't be landing in the towns then. Cheers. Just wanted to check.

And does anyone have any objection to me posting the actions of the Diggledom forces leading up to the morning?

Just two quick questions Delesa, roughly where did the helicopter crash at, and what happened with the HE-F mortar rounds fired upon your Southern beachhead?

kilrany and i talked, and my next post about the pilot is not a god mod, we organized and confirm no mercs would pop a shot, showing their positions.

Umm, I will wait for everyone else to post before I do, so the timelines dont become too screwed up. But a quick question for Kilrany; are the Kilrany Kim broadcasts still going on? Cheers.

Yes, the 'KIAM Kim'; as Russkya called it, broadcasts are still on going, mostly just civil frequencies since I can only jam their military frequencies.

Just a quick question Azazia, I think I believe I know what you mean here in regards to this line, but just to be sure,
Shortly after their launch, the coalition was informed of their mission, as were the Russkyans. The coalition were also informed that the Me'ei were being informed of the launch of strategic interdiction assets. However, their information did not include details on the launch or even inclusion of stealth assets.
Is that to mean that the Me'ei alone don't know about the stealth assets, or that no one was warned about them?
I ask as I'm wondering if I'm going to need to have my Southern Air Command freak out when stealth aircraft are picked several hundred kilometers out from Kilrany when they come under multiple overlapping fixed and mobile 55Zh6-1 Nebo-U type radar positions and numerous AEW systems.

hooray for my clarity. i'll edit it later when i have time, but yeah. the coalition is being alerted to their presence so the southern air command will have no reason to freak out. unless they want to for no reason. then they can have a giant dance party.

Sorry for that delay gents, I've been battling a combination of my keyboard mysteriously failing and suicidal thoughts brought on by a titantic and mentally handicapped bitch of a Sociology instructor. If you increase my courseload by 150% after I've completed a unit, thus "uncompleting" the unit for me, I'm going to hate you. Fact of life.

Kilrany: KIAF Kim. I really hope that "Kimmie" doesn't belong to the Arms Manufacturing consortium.

Azazia: Jolly good show old boy, I say! Sorry. With that out of the way, I'm not trying to offend your sensibilities with the whole "Admiralty" sequence in my latest post. It's a running joke Kilrany and I have had going for... must be two years now. Frightfully sorry if I have, but you seem like a sensical sort of chap so I'll be brief. Damn it, there I go again.

no worries, no sensibilities offended. or none to be offended. i don't always know which. more seriously, i do have a question, do we have any map of the strait or anything like that with a scale? because it is starting to get a bit confusing and it might help if we could all edit some .gif file with positions and such.... that might help. just a thought.

I've considered that, yes. I'll see what I can do once I complete the day's allotment of coursework.

Hey guys, what kind of time frames are you looking at your posts being in? I know I kicked them ahead slightly with my initial landing, but I would be having trouble even if I hadnt with what is happening at the moment.

I didn't get a message about updates to the OOC thread so I'm just seeing these last few posts now. As for the Gif of the Strait, that can be easily arranged, as for the timeline, Kilrany forces started landing around midnight, as far as I could tell, Oceania and Delesian forces are landing at night period, and obviously you Diggledom are landing in the morning.

As far as I'm concerned at this point we may as well just keep posting, I think with the various AOs we are far enough away from each other not to get in the way significantly and we can carry on the RP untill it becomes trully nessesary to sinc up.

Zuiderzee Strait (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l93/Kilrany/ZuiderzeeStrait.gif)

Here we go, this is roughly where my forces are according to my last post. I believe I know where everyone else is, but for the sake of ease, I'm going to let Russkya edit this image to add in the location of Me'ei and his forces and others can do the same if nessesary. After taking a closer look at the distance ratio here, take this as the best position of my forces. To the North are the forces around Novajev, along my East coast is Seventh Fleet and the independants that joined them, spread out over a wide from simply watching my waters. In the South you have Task Force Kessel and the Southwest Sixth Fleet.

I have made available a slightly different version of the map in JPEG format (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j8/PavelKirilovich/NationStates/ZuiderzeeStraitDetail.jpg). It lists KIN, RVMF, and MPNOL assets at the present time.

Legend:
- Orange Triangle: Kilrany Imperial Navy.
-- Current dispositions: [East Coast] 7th Fleet / [South, Strait] TF Kessel / [South West West of TF Kessel] 6th Fleet.

- Red Circle: Me'ei People's Navy Of Liberation.
-- Current dispositions: [Southernmost] Fleet Chiang-Wei* / [Northernmost] "Chopstick" / [Strait "Narrows", Southernmost] "Ricebowl" / [North East of Ricebowl] Quing dun-niu** ("No.16 with Rice")

* - Fleet "Chiang-Wei" is the unit with a single Nao-bei class cruiser attempting to see off TF Milan. It is under the command of a mid-grade senior officer named Chiang-Wei.
** - [Unknown Unit] "Quing dun-niu" is alternatively referred to as a "No.16 with Rice," referring to a Chinese resturant in downtown Tanovgorod (Russkya), this particular dish being "Steamed Fish with Rice." If I recall correctly, Quing dun-niu is horrible and incomplete Pinyin rendering of some kind of beef dish, which now happens to be the name of this force's commander.

- Green Rectangle: RVMF (Russkyan Navy)
-- Current dispositions: [South East of Novrezina] Taskforce Samoilev / [South Face of Strait] Taskforce Milan / [Northernmost in Strait "Narrows"] Group Vienna / [South of GRP Vienna] Group Gothenburg

I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I may not be able to get a post up this week. It's March break where I live and it looks like there's going to be an extra five to six hours added on top of my regular work shift, so I'm unsure if I will be able to find the time to write something this week, however by Friday things should be back to normal, assuming this all actually comes to pass.

well maybe is a good time to give everyone my heads up, i will be gone for 2 weeks starting saturday as i am off to greece and france. yes i know it will probably put me behind but i dont know what to do, as i don't want to exit the RP...

My advice to you (based on my past experiences having to take a break in the middle of an RP) would be to collect your units in one place so noone trips over them and goes to destroy them.

As to the land warfare aspect, I'd recommend to us all that we figure out what date it is and then start dating our posts using that IC time. When Delesa gets back he can catch up quickly and efficiently that way.

Delesa: Greek and French women are ungodly hot.

Haha so I hear, I have packed accordingly haha!

Yes, well as of right now my fleet is all together part from the two subs in Azazia's hands, but I trust that if they need be sunk he will RP something good and honorable.

As for ground forces, hopefully I will get a post up saying somethign about securing a beachhead and just patrolling the city but god knows when i will have time.

Meant that post to be more of the glorified bump as I stated in the beginning, however it kind of snowballed from there, still, serves the purpose, likely finish it in the next post or in another bump later.

Hey guys, sorry I havent had a chance to post, the D of E team I have been following were more time consuming than I thought and the house is having internet troubles, so the post should hopefuly be going up soon.

Azazia, Azazia, where art thou?

I apologize for that, but apparently I've been tasked to study Shakespeare again. Bloody English courses.

Hey, I am afraid I am now going on holiday for a week. I apologise.

If you wish to contact me atall, feel free to drop me an email at any time.

I'm having some difficulty coming up with an adequate post for this, as my mind is working against me and nothing feels good enough for it, but I am working on it.

Yeah no problem, to be honest, I completely hated that post, but was suffering from a severe case of writers block.

Any changes you want me to make just tell me:-D

Well gentlemen, we’ve finally hit a brick wall, so to speak. After discussions with Russkya on MSN, we’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that the timeline for Novajev is, for lack of a better term, FUBAR, though I will readily admit this is mostly caused from my own short sightedness in not posting time stamps on my sections coupled with our attempts to take the fluid time to far. Thus as it stands, after such a long period of inactivity for the thread, I’m almost completely lost.

While this in and of itself likely wouldn’t be a major problem, to be honest, I’ve lost my desire to write for this thread, and I think it’s clearly shown in my last few posts. I’m having difficulty role-playing both the attacker and the defender in this scenario, at least on this scale with so many unknowns, I’d compare it to playing chess against one’s self, but somehow I’d have to add in three other players to the battlefield. At the same time however two of our players have been gone for some time; this isn’t a shot at you guys, I assume real life issues have simply come up, it is after all that time of the year for the big exams and what have you.

Now I have no intent on abandoning this thread, but Russkya and I would like to propose to those still involved is that we come to an acceptable end for a successful invasion of the island. This is by no means mandatory, I am merely suggesting having a discussion on the subject, for as it stands right now, even if every last one of us, myself, Diggledom, Delesa and Oceania took heavy casualties; which is highly unlikely, the island would still be taken as each one of us seems to have more then enough manpower to take the entire pathetically small, island alone, let alone with each of us taking a quadrant of the island less then ten square kilometers, taking into account the waterfront.

Ultimately what I propose is to ‘jump ahead’ a little, each of us knows that there would have been a fight in each of our quadrants that would have inevitably resulted in casualties for all concerned, but in the ends the mercenaries would have lost; oh perhaps they could have delayed us here and there, ambushed us, caused heavier casualties in certain areas as I had it planned, but I’m pretty sure we all knew that they were going to lose. I mean really, air superiority, naval superiority, we could hit any position safely from the sea with gunfire with impunity and on top of all this, there was less then two battalions; not counting deserters, early casualties, and the odd surviving sailor, to oppose what; as far as my estimated count goes, was at least ten to fifteen times their numbers.

So there is my proposal, we discuss OOC the tactical situation, we can assume all objectives were taken, the mercenaries were killed or surrendered, I will inform all still concerned as to ambush sites and other mercenary plans, each can determine what casualties they may have taken and we skip ahead to the point where we RP victory, tallying up our dead, the political ramifications of the whole situation, the end results for Novajev, all in detail, etc, etc, etc.

As for the incident in the Zuiderzee Strait, Russkya has already come up with a method to defuse this situation and allow those still near Novajev eventual leave to, well, leave, without being engaged by anyone.

So simply state you opinion as to how you’d like to continue and we’ll go from there, whether its simply to skip ahead, or to trudge on through from where we are right now.

Well, having become throughly disgusted with pretty much the entire of the human race, I am finally back.

You know, the Nazi's weren't the worst for weirdass medical experiments in the second world war? [/teaching mode]

Anyways, yeah, the idea sounds good to me:-D Just need to see what the other two think.

Yeah, the Japanese were real assclowns. It's bad when you can top Dr. Mengele.

I don't think the other two are likely to return. It'd be nice if they did.

oh im here in the shadows, was working on a post for my return after my trip to europe but then i saw kil's post and i haven't done anything else to it