NationStates Jolt Archive


The Travelers (Interest/Discussion)

Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 14:27
This thread is based off Time Cop. It's going to be a character based rp but with plenty of action. Sign-up and discuss options if you're interested.

The basic concept is that in the future, let's say 2050, time travel is a reality but closely guarded and kept for mainly research. During an experiment for a time drive, there is an attack on the research facility by a mysterious group. In the wake of such an attack, the government, fearful of this group's capabilities, organizes an agency whose sole purpose is to track down these terrorists who are jumping throughout time, collecting treasure and altering history. An elite group of agents are sent out to track them down and bring them back to the present. Of course, this group, calling themselves The Travelers have a much more diabolical scheme which could drastically shift the course of humanity into annihalation. A race across time and space ensues as the agents struggle to bring down this dangerous and intelligent organization.

Avaliable Characters:
Time Security Operatives
Technicians
Time Security Agency Leaders
Historical Figures
The Travelers Organization
Whatever you can think of

Basically, The Travelers claim to be an idealistic group who wish to use the time drive to change certain events in history which they believe, if reversed, will make the world a better place. The Time Agents must struggle with themselves during the course of the rp, to determine which side they stand on and what actions are best. Some say altering history may prove fruitful while many believe it will devestate the world. Throughout, some of The Travelers become corrupt with the power they hold.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 14:49
I like this. . . I want to be a traveler
Kansiov
16-08-2007, 14:52
Intrested, surely i would want to be a traveller! :D
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 14:53
Excellent, I'm still debating on the historical events which they will try and alter. Here are some, many of them will involve assasinations. If anyone has some ideas, I'm open to them:

Assasination of Abraham Lincoln
Assasination of Adolf Hitler

These are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
Kansiov
16-08-2007, 14:56
Assasination of President John F. Kennedy

;)
Buddha C
16-08-2007, 14:58
Assasination of President John F. Kennedy

;)

You're an evil man.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 14:59
Okay, that sounds like a good one. Let's keep them coming. Everyone should think of some possible scenarios and we draw them together and sort out the preferred ones for the rp.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 15:06
Try to stop 9/11?
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 15:07
Oooohhhh...that's a good one:D

Should prove quite interesting.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 15:11
Oooohhhh...that's a good one:D

Should prove quite interesting.

You could do it two ways, kill them on the airplane or before they get to the airport.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 15:12
I'm probably going to be a conflicted and troubled time agent. Just to balance it out.
Deserted Territories
16-08-2007, 16:46
I've been itiching to do some role-playing lately, everything else i'm in is exruciatingly slow.

I'd be a Time Agent to balance it out with Kulikovia, but I got this idea of playing people from the event everyone materialises into. I'm sure an air marshal in the 9/11 scenario would have something to say about futuristic cops popping in on his plane.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 16:53
ALright, sounds good. Let's hear some more historic events.
Candistan
16-08-2007, 17:08
You could do something like the prevention of the atomic bomb being dropped on Japan (Blowing up the Enola Gay or something) or maybe you could have something like some sort of Assassination of Mandela in prison keeping apartheid in South Africa.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 17:11
The Traveler's are trying to change certain things in history which are in their mind "noble". Assasinating Mandela would not be part of their principles.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 17:43
for the 9/11, there might be less political fallout if they were killed before they went to the airport. When they wake up, someone shoots them,there done.

Hey. . . what if someone gives ak-47's to the British during the american revolution
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 17:46
I don't know. The preventing or conducting the assasinations of key historical figures might be the best route as of now.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 17:49
Go to Austria when hitler is just a baby and shoot him
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 17:51
That wouldn't make the rp very interesting.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 17:55
it will work
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 17:57
I think it would be far more interesting for them to try and kill him during the war, possibly allying themselves with the original conspirators and such.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 18:09
I think it would be far more interesting for them to try and kill him during the war, possibly allying themselves with the original conspirators and such.

That is true, if you kill him as a baby WWII won't even happen then.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 18:12
Give an explination on how it would be interesting to kill him as a child as opposed to the other way. If it's good, then I'll accept it.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 18:14
Give an explination on how it would be interesting to kill him as a child as opposed to the other way. If it's good, then I'll accept it.

I never said it will be interesting

It will be easy
Marionetonia
16-08-2007, 18:15
Come on, guys! Where's your sense of history?

You wanna do the world some good?

* Prevent the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand, which led directly to World War I.

* Prevent the rise of Roman Emperor Constantine, a tyrant if ever there was one. He bumped off half his family to get to the throne and then started one of the bloodiest war campaigns that the world had ever seen.

* Assassinate Caligula.

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* Don't touch Lincoln, though--unless you've been brainwashed by the Republican Talking Points that they teach as American History these days.

--The year was 1863. Lincoln was running for his second term. There were 26 states in the Union, and, in half of them, Lincoln couldn't even get enough signatures on petitions to get his name on the ballot.

--Lincoln sent the army out to "guard the polls." Could it have been that he was using them as his own personal goon squad? Could it be that they were, in fact, fixing the election? Of course, we all know that a Republican would NEVER try to fix an election, now, don't we? :) :) :) Either way, though, Lincoln ended up winning that election by 1% of the vote.

--The South didn't agree. To them, the election was tainted, and therefor invalid--and THAT, not slavery, not different economic systems, not any of that garbage that they try to tell you in school, is why the Confederacy was born.

--Me? I'm a New York Liberal. I'm against slavery and the kind of mentality that would coddle it. I'm a firm believer in the truth, though, and the truth is that good ol' Honest Abe wasn't as honest as they would have you believe. Not even close.

--Epilogue: in 1876, sick and tired of Lincoln (and Johnson and their successors) calling out the troops at the drop of a hat, congress passed the Posse Comatatus act, which prevented the President from using the army as his own personal goon squad. It's stood up, pretty much unchanged, until last year, when (the Bush Lapdog) congress attached a rider to a defense authorization bill that substantially weakened the protection that US Citizens receive from this important law. This is yet another thing that the Opposition Party is doing nothing to remedy.
Marionetonia
16-08-2007, 18:18
for the 9/11, there might be less political fallout if they were killed before they went to the airport. When they wake up, someone shoots them,there done.

Hey. . . what if someone gives ak-47's to the British during the american revolution

Too obvious. They didn't have the metalworking technology necessary to make guns like those. They were still making gun barrels by taking metal sheets and wrapping them around poles with hammers--not the best way to get a straight bore.
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 18:18
@New Brittonia: I am looking for interesting.

@Marionetonia: I like the prevention of Ferdinand's assasination. But, please leave the political talk at rest, for the rp's sake.
New Brittonia
16-08-2007, 18:19
Have the Muslims win against Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 18:21
Well, I am settling on having one major event they try to alter as of now. That way, if the rp's successful, it could leave room for sequels.
Marionetonia
16-08-2007, 18:24
That is true, if you kill him as a baby WWII won't even happen then.

Are you so sure? Hitler was as much a product of his times as he was an individual. His main claim to fame was that he was the kind of orator who could hypnotize an audience of 10,000 people and get them all to do whatever he wanted them to. This was a skill that he learned over a period of several years. He was never the best military commander on earth, and he wasn't the best statesman, either.

I contend that, if Hitler was killed as a child, someone else would have taken his place--and that someone might have been much more effective. For example, Hitler bombed London against the advice of just about every military advisor that he had. The advisors were right--bombing London served to set the resolve of the British people and wasted tons of German ammunition. A more effective Commander-In-Chief could have held discipline, and then World War II could have had VERY different results.

This is why I think that assassinating Hitler as a child would make an excellent choice of subject matter for this RP--it would serve to show that, sometimes, when you tamper, you can make things worse.
Deserted Territories
16-08-2007, 18:41
I understood that Hitler gave explicit orders not to bomb London itself and that a stray bomber lost in the dead of night hit London rather than its intended target (which was some other city to the north). And in retaliation, Brittian (very steamed up about the attack, though small it was) bombed Berlin. Then obviously Hitler had no choice than to bomb London for the Brittish hadn't sent one lone bomber but hundreds. Hitler wasn't stupid, just proud.

EDIT: oh, and I believe the pilots were court mashaled.
Deserted Territories
16-08-2007, 20:09
Do we still need more ideas, or are you just gonna take one of the ones we already thought up?
Kulikovia
16-08-2007, 20:11
Maybe one or two. Then I'll decide on what to do.
Marionetonia
17-08-2007, 03:44
OK. How about:

* Prevent the Chin Dynasty from consolidating China (200 c.e.--about the same time as the First Vatican Council).

* Prevent the Incas from ascending over the Mayas. The Mayas would have put up a much better fight against the Spanish.

* Assassinate King Henry VII.

* Assassinate Saint Thomas Acquainas.

* Assassinate Saint Paul, whom Thomas Jefferson referred to as "the original corruptor of Jesus' teachings."

* Kill the Sikh Yogi who, in the 17th century, martyred himself to the Hindu religion rather than convert to Islam. This would have major affects on India, and the ripples would be felt around the world. It would also effectively end Sikhism as a major religion. (Sikhism is one of the world's better-kept secrets. There are more Sikhs than there are Jews in the world today, and I don't mean that as a denigration of the Jewish religion. Quite the contrary: Judaism is a major world religion, and why Sikhism isn't counted with it I cannot fathom.)

* Now, let's go for the obvious: Assassinate Julius Ceaser and prevent the Roman Republic from becoming a Dictatorship--or, at least, delay the process.

* Assassinate Karl Marx. Assassinate John Lennon--OOPS! That's been done! How about...Assassinate Nikolai Lenin... :) :) :)

There should be SOMETHING useful in that bunch.

:) :) :)
Tanara
17-08-2007, 03:50
Here's a strange one but it might have had very far reaching effects...preventing Edison winning out over Tesla...in the AC versus DC 'war'

or how about making sure the 1521 conquest of Tenochtitlan by Spanish forces and their allies which brought about the effective end of Aztec dominion -failed

Or keeping Richard Cœur de Lion from dieing.

and of course the first change dear to the heart of every Texan...more and better armed defenders at the Alamo. And the second change - Texas never falling for the blandishments Houston and others - and remaining an independant nation...

I'll play a time cop if there are still opneings.
Osteia
17-08-2007, 03:58
COUNT ME IN.....

This sounds really cool, i want to be a time agent aswell!

Woooooo! this got POTENTIAL..
Undershi
17-08-2007, 04:00
Here's something I wrote about editing history - some guy gets a paradox free time machine, and... well, he ends up realizing that there's more to altering history successfully than just shooting someone at the right point.

Editor's Regret


The first time he killed Hitler, it was easy. He'd waited on a roof with a scoped rifle, until a young man in ragged clothes came out the door to the art school, eyes downcast after rejection... then he'd fired. One shot, and the young man went down, blood pooling...
He activated the recall device, and vanished to that area outside of normal time and space, to see what changes he'd made.
The second time he'd killed Hitler had been harder - a Dolphist hit-team had come through to stop the Edit, a bunch of men in grey fatigues, and they'd shot him while he waited with the rifle.
So he'd gone back earlier, and been more subtle - a leathal strain of modified bacteria, released into the well near the young Adolph's home. He'd regretted the death of the boy's parents, but it had been enough... justified, wasn't it?
Then came the Dolphists again, this time starving men in leather, with sub-machineguns. They shot him down again, while he tried to poison the well.
After that, he took a moment to consider his next action. Everything he did, the Dolphists countered. It was really quite frustrating.
He decided to go for an earlier divergence... when would be a good time? He knew - the First World War.
He opened a portal, stepped through...
It was the work of moments to put a knife into Gavrilo Princip's back, then toss the body into the river... he watched the Archduke's car roll past in an orderly fashion, going through the motions of the visit. He smilled then, and went back to his little room outside of space and time.
The Dolphists came even then.
One of them used a scoped rifle from hiding, shot the Duke, started the Great War...
He wondered what to do at that point, he really did. It wasn't fair... all he wanted was peace, and order... he knew, suddenly. When was it that the world had come closest to having one state that was not some fascist monstrosity? Persia! A tolerant empire that had nearly taken control of Europe and ensured peace and order, on at least the Chinese scale, no great uphevals...
He opened another gate, one further back than he'd ever gone, and came out in the court of Xerxes... the guards tried to stop him, but he forced them aside - some flashy tricks with a flare gun and stumbling over words in the Persian he'd had that odd alien machine teach him, and the Persian Emperor was listening to him.
He explained about how the Greeks were a threat, and how he had a gift to counter that threat...
Then he demonstrated his gift. It was a simple muzzle loading musket, but the Emperor liked it... so he gave him 500 men to train with it.
A few months later, they sailed to Marathon...
By then, he'd had the alien machine make another 500 of those, plus one good bolt-action model for himself.
He had the Persians land his troops first, and the Athenians charged... he'd had his men form ranks, load and wait...
The Athenians came close, and then he'd had them fire... Athenian ranks broke, and those at the front fell... reload, fire... men in heavy bronze fell, screaming...
It was done - that night Athens burned...
It was justified, though... it was justified because it would bring peace...
He stepped through a portal, made another one, and came to Xerxes that same night with news of the victory.
After that, it was just a matter of starting an industrial revolution... easy, really, with the resources of an Empire at his disposal, and an Emperor who thought he was a god... for a while, he regretted not telling the Persians that he wasn't a god... but, that passed.
After the first year, he started jumping forward, spending only a month in a given year, then only a week... then only a day...
As his own years passed, he saw that it was good. Rome was strangled in the cradle, the Germans brought to heel before they could become a threat to civilization...
By the time the Huns came, the Persians were using breach-loaders - they slaughtered the horsemen, and drove them back in chaos. Soon they expanded with the rail-road and telegraph to connect them... and he saw that it was good. Only... there was China to worry about. China. A threat. For a moment, he wondered what to do... but he knew what needed to be done.
The Persians expanded, and he gave them weapons... soon all of Europe save the far north was theirs, and all of North Africa and all of Central Asia...
He was happy then... but what about China?
Something needed to be done... the world needed to have only one state.
At around that point, he realized that there were no longer any Dolphists coming to stop him. Good. It meant that in the state that was to come, no one disagreed with what he had done...
He went forward a good ways then, and found his own precious Persians in conflict with China, and with some tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa... and those Finns - they were always there as a barbarian threat in the north.
Still, China was the threat...
So he gave the Persians machineguns, and boosted their industrial base... it made him awkward, that they seemed to have discarded all of their religion in favor of worshipping a Traveler who he realized was probably him... but it was okay - Religion was a threat to Peace too, and with this worship of him, at least they would listen to him...
They attacked China, and since the Chinese were unified and driven by the threat of total conquest, it was a hard-fought thing. He actually had to cheat a bit to be sure of a swift victory for his Persians - he went into his little space, and had the alien device make him a little device, one to spread chemical poisons through the air, and kill off the people of China in great enough numbers that the Persians would win without too much loss.
With that done, he waited in his little space beyond space and time, and thought... then came out again, a few centuries later.
Things were much the same, although the sky was filled with smog, and all the world spoke Persian, save for those Finns and the Sub-saharan tribes... they still remained, a thorn in the side of his Final State.
So he gave the Persians the internal combustian engine, and a few improvment upon it... and, as he gave it to them, and their priesthood greatfully accepted it, he wondered at why they hadn't come up with such an idea themselves. Oh well - now they had trucks and aircraft, and would deal with the barbarians...
They did - he gave them chemical weapons too, as an after-thought, and they used them - mustard gas smothered Finns and that empire in Sub-saharan Africa...
He told them to expand, and they did.
When he came back the next time, another few centuries later, there were riots in the city when he appeared, and he noted with dismay that nothing seemed to have changed except that they sky was a formless grey throughout the night, and all the world was covered in slums and stepped pyramids... and the entire human race worshipped him as a god.
He felt dismayed... he gave them the next secrets without bothering to look deeper. Atomic power - surely with that their world would improve.
Then he went forward another few hundred years, to see what they did with that... he came out of the portal, and he chocked on smog and could feel the radiation. He stared at the sky, and it was black as night even though it should have been noon.
There were no people around... only ashes and glass. He fell to his knees in the radioactive remains of a dead city on a dying earth... and he wept - why had he ever tried to meddle... what had ever happened to his Persians?
He stumbled back to the portal, went into the alien machine, and had it fix his radiation poisoning. Then he had it make him a scoped rifle. He was going to edit out this chain of events... he was going to fix the world... he was going to shoot himself.

The first time he shot himself, it was easy...
Marionetonia
17-08-2007, 20:35
The story glosses over another important point: time-change paradoxes.

We're going to have to find some explanation for this:

When he shot Hitler, Hitler ceased to be a historical figure. Nobody ever remembered Hitler--including the guy who shot him (at lease, not the one who was born after Hitler died). So, since no one knew that Hitler was a threat to history, no one went back in time and shot him, and he went on to become a threat to the world...

The time cops are going to have to have a "maintainance division" that somehow gets the information on how time has been changed and repeats the changes to make them permanent.
Deserted Territories
19-08-2007, 19:31
Bump.
Imperial isa
19-08-2007, 20:05
Snip

spot on about that DT
Marionetonia
21-08-2007, 00:21
BTW, I'd like to take part in this RP, if we can keep it together.
Kurona
21-08-2007, 01:33
Well I'm guessing you are going to use RL Earth for this but to be frank I think this RP Could be more facinating with NSNations. That is just my opinion. If you go that route I may risk to sign up (Just doing so much right now I may inadvertently drop) otherwise as intresting as it is I wish it luck but I won't be participating.