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Sentient beings discovered underground!

two days ago, a group of Cargillian miners accidentally discovered a tunnel network. the goverment thought it was a Loyalist base, and sent in Guardsmen. it actually turned out to be much more significant.

the guardsmen were startled to discover a strange animal species. the creatures are sentient tiger like beings, who have their own language, culture and technology. DNA tests suggest them to be early ancestors to the Cazelians.

Cazelian linguists have tried to communicate, but it has proved difficult so far. King Cargill is going to meet with the leader of these creatures next week, but until then, no diplomatic relations are to happen

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Kiravian Empire

Permissum Astrum Subleuco

Imperial Secriat of Science

Non-Human Sentience Research Office

The Kiravian Empire is interested in conducting research and diplomatic relations with these beings, with your approval and under your authority.

We inquire as to wheather the Cazelian government considers the felinoids in question equal to humans and dolphins.

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Kiravian Empire

Permissum Astrum Subleuco

Imperial Secriat of Science

Non-Human Sentience Research Office

The Kiravian Empire is interested in conducting research and diplomatic relations with these beings, with your approval and under your authority.

We inquire as to wheather the Cazelian government considers the felinoids in question equal to humans and dolphins.


we consider them equal, them being sentient

Excellent. May we conduct relations with them as requested?, under Cazelian authority of course.

Communication established!

after four hard weeks, scientist managed to teach the creatures english. after many hours, the team managed to learn the name, the culture, and the launguage. the name of these creatures are the Kal'Har, which roughly translates to Tigersapien in english.

further tests found out that these creatures are responsible for the difference in Cazelian DNA. both the Cazelians and the Kal'Har come from the same common ancestor, Homo Cazelius.

To- Kiravian empire
From- Cazelian monarchy

we will allow you to send teams

Thank you. We will send them immediately.

The government of NeoAztec would like permission to study this civilization to discover whether or not they may be related to the Kajhitt of legend in our empire.

Sincerly,
James Marshal
Director of Science for Protection

The government of NeoAztec would like permission to study this civilization to discover whether or not they may be related to the Kajhitt of legend in our empire.

Sincerly,
James Marshal
Director of Science for Protection

you are allowed

We ask, where, technologically, is the Kal'Har civilization in comparison to Cazelia, and to baseline Human technology?

We ask, where, technologically, is the Kal'Har civilization in comparison to Cazelia, and to baseline Human technology?

yes, but they almost never use weapons, perfering to rip their enemies apart in close combat. and they barely feel pain. they are 8 feet tall too

Indeed. How many of them are there?

Indeed. How many of them are there?

close to 10 million

We fail to see any proof them being sentient as wolves are considered animals and are more then able of having a complex social structure and as for their ability to speak a wide range of aniamls communicate with one another, further their ability to speak English can be merely seen as a trick like parrots ability to replicate human speach patterns.

We fail to see any proof them being sentient as wolves are considered animals and are more then able of having a complex social structure and as for their ability to speak a wide range of aniamls communicate with one another, further their ability to speak English can be merely seen as a trick like parrots ability to replicate human speach patterns.

they have a full blown culture, and technology similar to ours

The Free Empire agrees with the Scandinvans, not recognizing the sentiency of these beings, whom the world does not even have proof of existance. Still, if we find any they will either be sold to do agricultural work or sent to a zoo to suffer constant humilitation by tourists and little children throwing peanuts at them. That is all.

The People's Sovereign Republic officially disregards the statements from the Cazelian government declaring the discovery of a new, sentinent species. This, in the view of the Aedifices Parliamentarii, is little more than Mr Cargill's futile attempt to make Cazelia appear unique or special to the people he rules over and thus foster an atmosphere of nationalistic pride. Though we must admit that the existence of a seperate species, Homo cazelius, would explain why the Cazelian people are at least thirty percent less intelligent than the average human being on this planet.

OOC: Harsh, BL, harsh.....
IC:

The Empire recognizes this species as existant and sentient, as our scientists have seen and communicated with them, and we assure you it was not a case of

"Polly wanna diplomatic conference, Raaaak!"

Since we have none of these creatures live in Kirav, we will not grant them citizenship as we did with dolphins.

Aircraft discovered!

during a search, a group of scientists found an advanced fighter aircraft, similar to the newly released F/A-12B. apparently, this aircraft was based off the missing X/A-12, a prototype for the F/A-12B. "the weapons and engines are much different, but the basic chasis remains the same" said scientist Albert Pedony. the aircraft was only recently designed, and are in currently being built in underground factories.

unfortunantly, these aircraft have never been flown, but Caz'e Industries is holding it's breath, hoping that they may be able to partner with the leading industry, Be'nahar Killjaro, a local car manufacturer


Guardsmen test Kal'Har weapons

today, a privliged group of officers got to test Kal'Har weapons. "these weapons are like nothing i've ever seen before!" said one of the officers. the weapons employed by the Kal'Har are sound and projectile based. the sound weapon, also known to humans as 'the bone crusher' fires a wave of high intensity sound, which literally shatters the bones of the target.

the projectile weapon, which fires sharp metal splinters/shrapnel, is designed to cause extreme pain, breaking bones, tearing through skin and puncturing organs

later that day, a couple of guardsmen fought the Kal'Har in close combat. the guardsmen were beaten severly, the Kal'Har razor-sharp claws tearing through skin "it was hell" said one of the soldiers, after recovering from his wounds. the Kal'Har have rightfully recived the nickname 'hellcats'

"Please pass along the greetings of the United Clans of the Charr to these "Kal'Har" creatures."

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Clan Leader Bonfaaz Burntfur
United Clans of the Charr

i shalt pass this greeting to my people

Sincerally,
Scarlov Darkheart
Shalt honor be eternal in death

-snip-

OOC- BURN BL, BURN, In all seriousness, now.

New Brittonia would like to send scientists to determine whether these creatures are intelligent enough to be determined as "sentinent" and whether this autonomus race in Czaelian territory deserves a consular representative, pending Czaelian approval.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

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OFFICIAL MESSAGE FROM THE EMPEROR
TO: Cazelian Government specifically
FROM: His Imperial Majesty Emperor Conrad II
RE: Sentient tiger people

While I am rather skeptical that these creatures even exist in the first place, the fact that they're building planes meant to be flown in open air despite being confined to below surface level does not cause me to think of them as intelligent beings. As well, these people having such violent weapons, ones that crush bones and cause painful deaths, topped by the fact that they have been secluded underground amongst themselves, leads me to believe that they are a violent and infighting people.
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SIGNED,
His Imperial Majesty Emperor Conrad II, Emperor of Zukariaa, Ruler of Teranshire, Ruler of Arterus, Head of the Church of Zukariaa, Enemy of Muslims, Skeptic of Anthromorphic Tigers

OOC- BURN BL, BURN, In all seriousness, now.

New Brittonia would like to send scientists to determine whether these creatures are intelligent enough to be determined as "sentinent" and whether this autonomus race in Czaelian territory deserves a consular representative, pending Czaelian approval.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

your scientists are allowed

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Society for Exploration and Understanding of the World

The SEUW is a Far Echo Islands based and government backed scientific community that explores the intellectual capabilities of animals. They're dolphin research was critical to the August 1st declaration (the one granting dolphin rights) and their reports continue to expand the plethora of human knowledge of the world in which we live.

As such, this discovery fascinates SEUW's top scientists and we would request that we be allowed to send a small research and diplomat team to investigate this new species in Cazelia.

With Great Interest,
Yakvan Ivernson
President of the SEUW

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Society for Exploration and Understanding of the World

The SEUW is a Far Echo Islands based and government backed scientific community that explores the intellectual capabilities of animals. They're dolphin research was critical to the August 1st declaration (the one granting dolphin rights) and their reports continue to expand the plethora of human knowledge of the world in which we live.

As such, this discovery fascinates SEUW's top scientists and we would request that we be allowed to send a small research and diplomat team to investigate this new species in Cazelia.

With Great Interest,
Yakvan Ivernson
President of the SEUW

allowed

OOC: Just wondering, who would oppose me if I decided to napalm these "beings"?

That, and who would back me up.

OOC: Ooh, ooh! I'd back you up.

OOC: ICly, my nation either thinks these are Cazelians in fur suits who tricked themselves and their brothers into thinking they were tiger people, or they don't exist. So, yeah, I'd back you up.

By the way, this is the post I made but then deleted because it was so... cruel:

"In regards to British Londinium's message, we feel they are telling complete lies. I mean, they are obviously being extremly soft on the Cazelians. What's more, a secret agent of ours has recently infiltraited Cazelia and found these "beings". They do indeed live underground, have technology taken right out of an old Soviet warehouse, and have a culture very similar to the Cazelians, which is to say they have a culture slightly less sophisticated then chimpanzees. What's more, when examining one, it was found that there was a zipper on the back. It seems the Cazelians in and out of the tiger suits have fooled themselves."

The Imperial Secriat of Science, Office of Nonhuman Sentience Research is initiating a collaborative program with the Anthropology Office, the Natural History Office, and the Abnormal Discovery Research Office to conduct an in-depth study of this race, their culture, technology, language, and history.

Official Diplomatic Communique

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From: The World Soviet Party, backed up by The PeoplesFreedom, British Londinium and Vontanas
To: Cazelia

I'm afraid the nations listed above, and us, of course, have decided that these "tigers" of yours are but Nazis from Outer Space (or something evil like that). Thus, it's my duty to ask you to back down and allow us to cleanse them with the liberating fires of, well, napalm and shiz.

Signed,
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Alejandro Aszenmil, President of The World Soviet Party.

OOC: I've noticed that when a nation does something out of the ordinary, (i.e. recognizing dolphin sentience, building a floating city, etc.), It tends to end in a war.

OOC: I've noticed that when a nation does something out of the ordinary, (i.e. recognizing dolphin sentience, building a floating city, etc.), It tends to end in a war.

OOC: Dont misunderstand me, I'm just bored and I've been wanting to invade some random, yet smaller than me, nation for quite some time.

What is the casus belli, this seems to be a war of agreession and/or genocidal acts.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

OOC: Duh. It's supposed to be a genocide. Every single one of those fucking cat-thingies must die.

What is the casus belli, this seems to be a war of agreession and/or genocidal acts.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

Well, for starters, they have been proven to be rather violent, as well as posing a threat to normal humans.

Just think what could happen if they decided to take over!

Of course, we are not going to kill them off (for the moment, that's not our job).

Signed,
Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OOC: Dont misunderstand me, I'm just bored and I've been wanting to invade some random, yet smaller than me, nation for quite some time.

Oh. In that case, go ahead. You might have a little trouble bombing though, seeing as these things live under multiple metre of rock.

Well, for starters, they have been proven to be rather violent, as well as posing a threat to normal humans.

Just think what could happen if they decided to take over!

Of course, we are not going to kill them off (for the moment, that's not our job).

Signed,
Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

We happen to have scientists there, so please avoid them while we evacuate them.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

So much for our research effort. We'll just have to rescue their intellectuals and bring them to Kirav to learn from.

Why, of course, we are granting any normal nation with citizens there a 36 hour space to get them the hell outta dodge while we get ready.

Signed,
Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OOC: I do think this merits a new thread, thoughts?

Why, of course, we are granting any normal nation with citizens there a 36 hour space to get them the hell outta dodge while we get ready.

Signed,
Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OOC: I do think this merits a new thread, thoughts?

Thank you. We will take none as refugees, unlike the Free Furry islands scenerio.

Signed,
Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Sarah Lynch

Confirmed. We've gathered 40 of these cat-things from various strata of society, but mainly knowledgable ones, packed them into our plane with 40 pounds of Friskies, and high-tailed it back to Kirav.

OOC:

Okay, here we go: Operation: Catnip (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535744)

OOC:
TWSP, I added a subscription to your thread to read it later. You better not disappoint me with the RP. :p

OOC:
TWSP, I added a subscription to your thread to read it later. You better not disappoint me with the RP. :p

I'll do my best, after all, this is my first invasion.

OOC: BL has got tons of experience invading nations. I've also got some experience, but not nearly as much.

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Society for Exploration and Understanding of the World

The SEUW will take 2 million of these beings back to the Far Echo Islands. No questions asked, it will be a massive evacuation, but we have the resources to conduct it. We ask the TWSP to hold off its attack for an additional 48 hours, long enough for us to get these individuals to sea.

With Best Intent,
Yakvan Ivernson
President of the SEUW

I'll do my best, after all, this is my first invasion.

Well at least you have plenty of company. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534966)

ICCD extends refugee status to the Kal' Har due to the general racial aggression exhibited against them.

ICCD has also initiated further research into noise cancelation technologies and EM - in an attempt to gauge this.

ICCD would be very thankful to be able to study the technologies. As well as take any volunteer Kal Har in regards to communication.

Due to lack of information - the Kal Har shall be deemed 'dangerous' with authorized use of lethal force in the case of any attacks within ICCD or on Dian Security Forces. In mind though ICCD also beleives that all animals are sentient and that the claims by others that they are not to be simply false, all be it they have the full perogative for themselves to determine what they believe to be true.

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Society for Exploration and Understanding of the World

The SEUW will take 2 million of these beings back to the Far Echo Islands. No questions asked, it will be a massive evacuation, but we have the resources to conduct it. We ask the TWSP to hold off its attack for an additional 48 hours, long enough for us to get these individuals to sea.

With Best Intent,
Yakvan Ivernson
President of the SEUW

Two million? That's too much, we'll allow you to evacuate, say, 500,000 of the little ones, but not more.

Maybe their mothers too, but go ahead, you have your forty eight hours.

Drasgard Times

Secrets of primitive Cazelian species

Article by: Risto Kuusakoski Ph.D.

Recently Cazelia, nation which could be best described with word “primitive”, announced discovering some kind of Tiger like intelligent species, called Kal'Har. Several nations, including World Soviet Party and Vetalia, have already started campaign for wiping out those “walking tigers”.

Lets look a bit on scientific backround. Cazelians claim that those tiger like beings have common ancestors with Cazelians, known as Homo Cazelius. Well, here is first lie, my analysis indicates that modern Cazelians effectively are still Homo Cazelius, being separate from Homo Sapiens. Modern Cazelians, or Homo Cazelius, are about 30-40% less intelligent then average Homo Sapiens, this has been also confirmed by my Londinian colleagues. But this is just a beginning, main importance is the fact how Homo Cazelius was created. Research has confirmed that Cazelians are result of interbreeding between Kal’Har and Gibbons, as result Cazelians are also atleast 10% less intelligent than Kal’Har.

So it raises question, why are Cazelians considered humans at all? Their appearance makes it easy to confuse them with humans, and thanks to generosity of their Homo Sapiens neighbours, they have actualy managed to take over some human customs and technology. But if we look at some more importnant charateristics, like size of brain, or average IQ, then differences are radical. Unfortunately most people are unaware of such major differences and that has resulted widespread misconception of Cazelians being humans. Cazelians clearly are primitive species which belongs to zoological park.

In conclusion I would like to call all invading nations to change a target. Kal’Har are radically different from humans, so their lower intelligence can be forgiven. Cazelians on other hand are easy to confuse with Homo Sapiens, as result their existence is insult against all humanity. Best solution would be eliminating Cazelians completely in wild, leaving only those who have been moved to zoological parks. Kal’Har, although primitive, could probably put current territory of Cazelia in better use than Cazelians themselves can.

[ooc: Of course that is not official position of my government(which is not interested about Cazelians at all).]

Olmedreca;12972112']Drasgard Times

Secrets of primitive Cazelian species

Article by: Risto Kuusakoski Ph.D.

Recently Cazelia, nation which could be best described with word “primitive”, announced discovering some kind of Tiger like intelligent species, called Kal'Har. Several nations, including World Soviet Party and Vetalia, have already started campaign for wiping out those “walking tigers”.

Lets look a bit on scientific backround. Cazelians claim that those tiger like beings have common ancestors with Cazelians, known as Homo Cazelius. Well, here is first lie, my analysis indicates that modern Cazelians effectively are still Homo Cazelius, being separate from Homo Sapiens. Modern Cazelians, or Homo Cazelius, are about 30-40% less intelligent then average Homo Sapiens, this has been also confirmed by my Londinian colleagues. But this is just a beginning, main importance is the fact how Homo Cazelius was created. Research has confirmed that Cazelians are result of interbreeding between Kal’Har and Gibbons, as result Cazelians are also atleast 10% less intelligent than Kal’Har.

So it raises question, why are Cazelians considered humans at all? Their appearance makes it easy to confuse them with humans, and thanks to generosity of their Homo Sapiens neighbours, they have actualy managed to take over some human customs and technology. But if we look at some more importnant charateristics, like size of brain, or average IQ, then differences are radical. Unfortunately most people are unaware of such major differences and that has resulted widespread misconception of Cazelians being humans. Cazelians clearly are primitive species which belongs to zoological park.

In conclusion I would like to call all invading nations to change a target. Kal’Har are radically different from humans, so their lower intelligence can be forgiven. Cazelians on other hand are easy to confuse with Homo Sapiens, as result their existence is insult against all humanity. Best solution would be eliminating Cazelians completely in wild, leaving only those who have been moved to zoological parks. Kal’Har, although primitive, could probably put current territory of Cazelia in better use than Cazelians themselves can.

[ooc: Of course that is not official position of my government(which is not interested about Cazelians at all).]

OOC- it's more like, blacks, whites and chinese. just add cazelians to the picture

EDIT: BL made up the intellegence part. the only par different about Cazelians is that they always are born with red eyes, and are faster.

OOC: You said Homo cazelius was a seperate species. The difference would be like humans and Neanderthals, not Asians and whites. "Duh".

ooc: I dont claim that this article is even remotedly true, so please dont start some ooc arguments over it, its just unorthodox view combined with some nazi propaganda, written purely for fun. So Cazelia, take it as simple propaganda or pseudo-science or whatever, that of course does not mean that some people could not take it very seriously ICly.

OOC: You said Homo cazelius was a seperate species. The difference would be like humans and Neanderthals, not Asians and whites. "Duh".

OOC- got me there. but that dosent mean you have to kill them all

OOC: Of course it does. Remember, I declared war on a country for giving dolphins rights. I'm not above killing people because you said another species was sentient.

OOC: Just to put my two cents in, how many times are you going to commit some act of war on flimsy reasons before you get bored of it? Also, you're currnetly under Kraven's gun, maybe you should focus more of the homefront.

OOC: Just to put my two cents in, how many times are you going to commit some act of war on flimsy reasons before you get bored of it? Also, you're currnetly under Kraven's gun, maybe you should focus more of the homefront.

OOC: I haven't deployed troops, CP, nor have I done any IC action besides making fun of the Cazelians. I'm just being an OOC ass, mate.

OOC: Ok, sorry for jumping on you. I just figured war would come next. Honestly I've said it before and I'll say it again, why can't people just leave Cazelia alone and let him be free?

OOC: He's a n00b who does extremely irritating things. For me, it's the fact that everyone in his fucking country is, or has been, in the military. No one, as far as I can tell, has gone to a regular university - it's always a military academy. It irks me, and thus I go to war to make myself feel better. Oh, and his grammar is terrible.

The Empire will extend refugee status to these beings, and many private companies, (mostly cat breederies, but those companies will be reckoned with.), ar esending transports to pick up Kal'Hars. They will be granted human rights,(For lack of a better term, BL, sorry), but not citizenship. These flights are not state-backed or state-endorsed. However, the State will confiscate the Kal'Har upon arrival, and return their sentient dignity.

Estimates are that 15,000 will be transported, but most likely less.

OOC: Of course it does. Remember, I declared war on a country for giving dolphins rights. I'm not above killing people because you said another species was sentient.


OOC: Err, BL you withdrew your recognizing of my sovereignty, but you didn't break into war until I responded in kind, plus some. But really, I know it was a while ago, but if I had replied calmly, would you have really declared war on me?

I've made a metion of that. Note to self: Non-human sentience= war. I think I'll stick with dolphin citizenship for now.

OOC: He's a n00b who does extremely irritating things. For me, it's the fact that everyone in his fucking country is, or has been, in the military. No one, as far as I can tell, has gone to a regular university - it's always a military academy. It irks me, and thus I go to war to make myself feel better. Oh, and his grammar is terrible.

OOC: This would make *you* a n00b, for going to war over OOC reasons, incidentally...

OOC: Message for Cazelia - Just trying to gauge the situation - since you didn't post up when I annexed the territories prior to the Vizion - Vetalian War that ICCD was administering during the post BL coaluetion joint administration. I'm wondering what the situation with that is/war from your standpoint.

Also currious as to the Soviet Cazelia thing what your veiw on that is - as well you didn't respond to my post about the oppourtunity to study or the refugee status for the Kal Har.

Are you ignoring me? If not can you make some statements on the things mention annexation of the zones I was administering - about the time Vetalia attacked you (prior to the vetalia vizion thing), as well as your stance on Soviet Cazelia - just an update on your view of what is happening is appreciated.

OOC: I've heard tha Cazellia is going to be gone for a few days, so maybe that is why he isn't responding.

OOC: FEI: You might want to respond. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535898)

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