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OOC Reforming the Sleeping Giant (GASN Reformation) ATTN Former GASN Membership

Shazbotdom
12-08-2007, 15:03
Hello Former Loyal GASN Members. I am debating restarting the organization with a few changes and i was wondering if there was any interest. Below is what was the Treaty of the GASN as it stood during the final weeks before it was dismantle by Cravan. If any of the former GASN Members could look over it, think for a little while, and get back to me with how to make the alliance a stronger one, please feel free to post here.

Please note that the two Amendments that were done to the charter are there, with Jolt here not being able to do a "strike out" text effect, I just deleted it out of the quote.

Introduction
Global Alliance of Sovereign Nations (from now on referred to as “GASN”) is an alliance meant to restore peace to war torn areas of the world, and is primarily a collective defense organization to protect its members against unwarranted aggression. It has a secondary purpose, however, of bringing member nations together in a bonding alliance of mutual assistance and friendship to promote national sovereignty and freedom.

The Points
GASN is based on three points, each of them just as important as the next.

Economic Point
The first point, the Economic Point, promises to open trade between member nations, and improve relations with other members through free and open markets. It is defined by the following terms:
1-1. All member nations open trade to one another, tariff free.

1-2. Economic aid will be given to the less fortunate member nations to assist them in their growth and development.

1-3. All economic ideologies are to be permitted.

1-4. Member nations are expected to respect copyright laws of other member nations, and are expected to respect the laws other nations may have regarding trade.


Military Point
The central point of the alliance is the Military Point. This point defines the purpose of the military, and the role it plays in GASN’s day to day activities. The military is the main part of the GASN’s purpose, and is thus defined by the following terms:
2-1a. All member nations are expected to assist other member nations in the event of unprovoked attack, either militarily or economically.

2-1b. In the event of a provoked attack or aggressive action, it is the member nation’s choice of whether or not to enter the conflict.

2-2a. Declarations of war on other members are not permitted, and a nation-nation internal GASN conflict will result in the expulsion of the aggressor from the GASN.

2-2b. Publicly assisting a nation who takes aggressive action against a member will result in permanent expulsion.

2-3. GASN will take part in combined peacekeeping operations when requested to intervene. Participation is optional.

2-4. All sanctioned GASN operations are to be headed by commanders from the four leading nations* and a lead commander, selected by the council and voted into office by the General Assembly each month. The requirements to be the lead commander are a strict RP review, a review of past relations with other nations, and a population of 1+ billion. Sanctioned operations are those agreed upon by the Governing Council and ratified by the General Assembly.

*See “Governing Council” below.

Humanitarian Point
The third and final point of GASN is the Humanitarian Point. The terms of this point deal with the treatment of citizens and civilians, along with humanitarian operations. They are as follows:

3-1. Maltreatment of one’s own citizens for unjustified purposes will result in expulsion from GASN, and will also result in economic sanctions against the offending nation.

3-2. Humanitarian aid will be given to all nations requiring it, no matter how large or small. This aid includes, but is not limited to:
A. Monetary aid
B. Food and Water Supply
C. Military Peacekeeper Protection
D. Educational Development
E. Construction of utilities, transportation systems, etc.
F. Technological Advancement

Membership Requirements
Requirements for membership in the GASN are as follows:
MR-1. No population or governmental restrictions.

MR-2. No maltreatment of citizens, prisoners, prisoners of war, ethnic groups, religions, or any other type of a breach of basic human rights. They must be given a decent standard of living, and given the basic needs a human being requires to survive.

MR-3. A standing military, no matter how small or large, and a willingness to defend member nations from unprovoked aggression.
MR-4. Ability to serve in all military operations deemed mandatory. Military operations will only be deemed mandatory in extreme circumstances.

MR-5. A grace period spanning two RL weeks where their RPing experience is put under review.

MR-6. Admission requires a majority approval from the General Assembly, with at least three votes procured from the Assembly. The vote will remain open until at least three votes are cast by members of the Assembly. If three or more votes are cast before the alotted three day voting period period, the vote will remain open until the time given for the vote to cease.

MR-7. Thorough background checks by the Foreign Relations council.

MR-8. No current conflicts which would force GASN members to war. A nation may request aid, but cannot become a member while at war. Said conflict must end first, whether or not GASN nations decide to assist.

MR-9. Approval by the governing council.

MR-10. A proven competence in RPing experience, as seen by the governing council.

Governing Council
There will also be a governing council of four nations, all of which are permanent. Three of these members will be appointed by the founding member, Cravan. However, they will be required to receive two nominations from member nations to qualify. Any of these three appointed nations on the governing council can be removed if the founding member and three other members (council or regular) agree. If the governing council agrees in a vote of 3/4, any member of GASN can be ejected without the ability to reapply assuming there is valid reason behind the ejection. The Founding Member may eject any regular member assuming valid reasoning is given. The Founding Member may also assume dictatorial controls if the Council shows a period of inactivity or incompetence. Power will be handed back to the Council and Assembly at a time deemed fit by the Founding Member.

Lower Councils
Meanwhile, there will be three lower councils, the Military, Foreign Relations, and Economic councils. They will make decisions based on their area of expertise, and they will be chosen by the following guidelines:
CG-1. Appointment through Governing Council vote

CG-2. Review of RPing skills

CG-3. Review of expertise in chosen field

CG-4. Review of past relations with other nations and various other background checks.

Amendment Code: A-001

A01-1. All affiliate nations open trade to one another, tariff free.
A01-2. All economic ideologies are to be permitted.
A01-3. Affiliate nations are expected to respect copyright laws of other member/affiliate nations, and are expected to respect the laws other nations may have regarding trade.

A01-4a. Declarations of war on other affiliates/members are not permitted, and an affiliate-member nation conflict will result in the expulsion of the aggressor from the GASN Affiliateship program.
A01-4b. Publicly assisting a member nation who takes aggressive action against another member will result in permanent expulsion.

A01-5. Maltreatment of one’s own citizens for unjustified purposes will result in expulsion from GASN affiliateship, and will also result in economic sanctions against the offending nation.


Being an associate, or affiliate lead therefore leads to a much looser friendship with the GASN, much more like a free trade group. Therefore, the following are membership requirements:


A01-R1. No population or governmental restrictions.
A01-R2. No maltreatment of citizens, prisoners, prisoners of war, ethnic groups, religions, or any other type of a breach of basic human rights is permitted. All humans must be given a decent standard of living, and given the basic needs a human being requires to survive.
A01-R3. A grace period spanning two RL weeks where their RPing experience is put under review.
A01-R4. Endorsement from two (2) well established members. (members for 1+ months)
A01-R5. Thorough background checks by the Foreign Relations council.
A01-R6. No current conflicts which would force members to war. A nation may request aid, but cannot become an affiliate while at war. Said conflict must end first, whether or not GASN nations decide to assist.
A01-R7. Approval by the governing council.
A01-R8. A proven competence in RPing experience, as seen by the governing council.
Wanderjar
12-08-2007, 15:44
I believe that the GASN had perfect potential to be one of the premier alliances in the world, not that it was not, but I truly mean that it could have made a difference. If we do reform it, I believe we should be more proactive and quasi-militaristic. Not going around necessarily declaring war on anyone who we feel stands in the way of our "Agenda", but not putting up with and allowing things such as genocide, humanitarian violations, etc. When this happens, sanctions as well as other actions do not work. The government does not care. Military force is the only answer. That is my opinion.


Regardless, I was one of the first to sign before. I'll be one of the first to sign it now.
Shazbotdom
12-08-2007, 15:49
I believe that the GASN had perfect potential to be one of the premier alliances in the world, not that it was not, but I truly mean that it could have made a difference. If we do reform it, I believe we should be more proactive and quasi-militaristic. Not going around necessarily declaring war on anyone who we feel stands in the way of our "Agenda", but not putting up with and allowing things such as genocide, humanitarian violations, etc. When this happens, sanctions as well as other actions do not work. The government does not care. Military force is the only answer. That is my opinion.


Regardless, I was one of the first to sign before. I'll be one of the first to sign it now.

Well this is basically an interest thread. I'm wanting to see how many of the old members would want to reform it. I do believe that we didn't do a good deal to help the NS World, but also at times thinking that we did too much during a situation. I mean some members threatened the use of nukes at the smallest thing, such as a military soldier in a nation going postal (per sae) and killing a bunch of innocent civilians.

We would have to be proactive, but not overactive.
Kulikovia
12-08-2007, 15:54
The reformation of the GASN would afford all Socialist nations an opportunity to organize and become an important economic, political, and militarial institution.

I believe my old nation was once a member and I am currently a member of the GUSN but am more than willing and eager to join the ranks of the GASN.
British Londinium
12-08-2007, 15:55
I would join...but I think there's a rule against glassing.
Cookesland
12-08-2007, 16:16
Is GASN just looking to call back it's old members or is it going to allow new members? I would be very interested in joining
Questers
12-08-2007, 16:20
The reformation of the GASN would afford all Socialist nations an opportunity to organize and become an important economic, political, and militarial institution.

ROFL.

Sorry Shazbot, I'm not going to have anything to do with this. 1. There's a reason Crave disbanded GASN and I'm not going to betray one of my good friends by helping set it back up, and 2. I won't join any alliance that panders to Communism.
The World Soviet Party
12-08-2007, 19:06
Greeting Shaz, good to see you.

My personal two cents:

Democracy in an alliance does not work, we have seen it work and fail before, if you want things to get done, you must do them whether the other nations like it or not.

Just like Claudius Caesar said when comparing the republic to the empire.
Trivalvia
12-08-2007, 19:23
Yet, if an outsider and possible applicant may speak, sometimes the leadership at the top needs to be held accountable. "Getting things done" by using an imperial top-down approach might work for efficiency, but if you get a fascist or crusader in the driver seat of this alliance that leaves several nations being dragged along while the leader commits atrocities under the guise of preventing other atrocities.

Should such an imperialist get into power in the new GASN, there should be some mechanism to limit his power. Perhaps a democratic process to determine overall goals and strategy, but once a course of action is begun, we see more rigid leadership to see it through?

Just my thoughts on the matter...
Jaredcohenia
12-08-2007, 19:43
OOC: how do i entirely copied from crave without his permission
The World Soviet Party
12-08-2007, 19:52
Snip

I just said what I said because the reason GASN died is that nothing got done, at least not by the alliance, when the discussion were over, the war had finished. And so on and so forth.

Yes, some degree of democracy is required, but we also need a strong and decisive leader.
The Order of America
12-08-2007, 19:59
Dmeocracy in an Alliance Does Work.....I would like to Point everyones attention to The FWA a very Powerful Freedom Loving alliance. My nation would be honored to Join a Reformed GASN. While our nation's creation occurred long after the GASN's Demise we have heard of its power and strength by Reputation. My nation would also be willing to play a Role in its Founding.......
Ghassan
12-08-2007, 20:11
I would like to join if new members are considered.
Automagfreek
12-08-2007, 22:14
Most of the GASN moderates went to NATO anyways, so I don't think a revival is coming anytime in the forseeable future.
Trivalvia
12-08-2007, 23:33
I can't speak as to the specific reasons of GASN's demise, so consider what I'm about to say as a generic observation:

With regards to the timescale needed to make a decision vs. events in a war: OOCly, I think that's due to the fluid time nature of Nationstates. People willing to go ahead with a war RP usually time things so that they and their allies can be present (and at least the people they invade). But, not all alliance members can be online at the same time, all the time. Sooner or later, Real Life intervenes, and people drop out, go into eclipse, etc, and there are few provisions to allow for those nations to function without the people involved being online.

The result? A single coordinated strike by one alliance against another can be devastating, even when both alliances are evenly matched, ICly.

One thought I have - and maybe others have thought of this before, I'm not sure - is to devote parts of the militaries of alliance nations as a kind of NPC "rapid response" force members of the alliance can call on should they be attacked and other alliance members are not online to assist them. Again, just a thought - I am not sure about the needed mechanics and charter clauses to make something like this work without risking godmodding or general abuse.

But if this wasn't the principal reason for GASN's demise, then please disregard.
Cravan
12-08-2007, 23:45
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529857

For some background.

Also, I don't really care that you've copied my charter and such. All the power to you if you feel you can reestablish the alliance. Just realise I won't be involved in a reborn GASN.
The Lone Alliance
12-08-2007, 23:47
I believe that the GASN had perfect potential to be one of the premier alliances in the world, not that it was not, but I truly mean that it could have made a difference. If we do reform it, I believe we should be more proactive and quasi-militaristic.
I would have to agree, and I am willing to sign up.
Clandonia Prime
12-08-2007, 23:48
GASN was never and never will be a power when you've got the blocks of NATO and the Sovereign League still around, both adequately able to destroy the GASN/GUSN/Hegemony/CA or whoever.
The World Soviet Party
12-08-2007, 23:51
GASN was never and never will be a power when you've got the blocks of NATO and the Sovereign League still around, both adequately able to destroy the GASN/GUSN/Hegemony/CA or whoever.

Silence you fool, you do not understand the actions of the higher beings!

*Dances ritualistically*

EDIT

I'm also offended by the fact that you didnt mention the UCN, GUSN, ACTO and Soviet Commonwealth.

EDIT

LOL, PROLE!
Trivalvia
12-08-2007, 23:55
Maybe he's asocial-ist? *ducks and runs*
Clandonia Prime
12-08-2007, 23:56
Silence you fool, you do not understand the actions of the higher beings!

*Dances ritualistically*

EDIT

I'm also offended by the fact that you didnt mention the UCN, GUSN, ACTO and Soviet Commonwealth.

EDIT

LOL, PROLE!

I was talking about remaking a new anti-communist organisation seeing as ACTO got boring.

And you fail.
The PeoplesFreedom
12-08-2007, 23:56
Clandonia, I already made one. I can link you.
The World Soviet Party
12-08-2007, 23:57
I was talking about remaking a new anti-communist organisation seeing as ACTO got boring.

And you fail.

No, you dont understand CP, we commies cannot fail, and if we do, we only blame it on the "traitors to the revolution" and have a random bunch of people shot :rolleyes:
The Aeson
12-08-2007, 23:58
Count me in.
The PeoplesFreedom
12-08-2007, 23:59
I would also be interested, after all the various strife going on dies down.
Shazbotdom
13-08-2007, 01:44
Well. What is needed to be done, which was never gotten around to with the old GASN, is that the lower councils were never setup. If, before we go public again, we set up those lower councils and took the burden off of the GC, and set up some more guidelines for recruitment, then it might work.

Although, without those lower councils to help spread around the duties, it was all put on Cravan's shoulders. Which for one person, thats never a good thing to do, put that much stress on them.
Northern Colonies
13-08-2007, 08:16
OOC: I would be good of the GASN would re-establish. I suppose you can count me in.
Antigr
13-08-2007, 10:50
I refuse to join the GASN again, for the simple reason that it split at the seams for no proper reason and nobody held it together like they should have done if there was any leadership at all.

I no longer trust this alliance, even in a new suit. Good day.
:mad: