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The Alfegos military usually upgrades its systems every 10 years.

However, recent review of the current pistol, the AFP 99, have shown it to be very poor in artic climates, and that it has a very poor muzzle velocity.

The military is asking for 20 candidates for a new service sidearm.
They will be tested rigourously, and a shortlist of 5 made.
There will be a second test, before the final pistol is selected.

The pistol must:
a) Have automatic and semi-automatic fire
b) Be lightweight
c) Have good endurance in the field
d) Have a reasonable muzzle velocity.

Pistols Being Tested:
HK P90
P270A-M3 Diablo Combat Pistol - Sequoia Weaponworks
Breyr Service Pistol - Izistan
Argonaut .357 -SaintB
FN Five-seven
HH-1 - World Soviet Party
KSB AP-1 -SaintB
4P11 Pistol - Leafistan
6MP54 Machine Pistol - Leafistan
M49 Bodkin Machine Pistol - Leafistan
KSB Ap-1 -SaintB

Testing is now underway.
No more additions please.

SaintB Integrated Infantry Systems produces and sales the Argonaut .357 pistol. While the .357 round is slightly larger than 9mm (9.06mm to be precise); it has the advantage of using magnum power rounds that provide higher velocity and more stopping power than standard 9mm rounds. The Argonaut is a sturdy weapon favored by many and meets the high standard of quality of all SaintB Integrated's products.

Developed by SaintB's previous regime while attempting to harness the power of the .357 revolver in a semi-automatic weapon. Though on the heavy side the Argonaut packs a strong punch especially at close range that is rarely seen in a handgun. The weapon is dual action and semi automatic but rapid shots in succession higher than two tend to be extremely inaccurate at medium and higher ranges.
Caliber: .357
Action: Dual action, semi automatic
Overall Length: 120 mm
Weight Empty/Loaded: 1kg/1.3kg
Magazine: 10 round clip +1 in chamber
Muzzle Velocity: 377 m/s
Maximum Effective Range: 53 meters
Used in: SaintB, Urcea, Datium, and Mcspychoville

Accurate Arms of the Crystal Mountains is a premier manufactuer of small arms from Fabrique Nationale de Herstal
and Heckler&Koch.

I would suggest giving the FN Five-Seven a look. It uses the same round as the famed P90. Both are excellent light-weight weapons and with the 5.7 × 28 mm armor-piercing round, they are powerful and deadly.

The HK P8 is the standard side arm of the German army. It is a highly reliable 9mm automatic pistol with a reinforced polymer composite frame and stainless steel slide covered in black matte. The magazine capacity is 15 rounds.

We invite you to check out these pistols at the Commonwealth Marketplace (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532993)

Imperial MHQ like to say you should have a look at
Sequoia Weaponworks announces the P270A Diablo Combat Pistol
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529968

[OOC: You guys should note that he's asking for a 9x19mm pistol specificly. And seeing how Tenifer and Melonite are trademarked, I made up my own finish for HTC guns. Whee.]

As a representative of the Havenic Trading Company, I wish to point the Alfegos military in the direction of our Breyr service pistol (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12767489&postcount=27). In use since 1914, it comes in a 9x19mm Parabellum variant fed by a 13 round single stack magazine. You may also not that it does indeed come with a machine pistol (select fire) version. It is highly reliable and the latest design enhancements are incorporated into new production Breyr's at our state of the art production facilities throughout Haven. These include:

-A non-reflective carbon-nitride finish, CAVORITE(tm), on all steel parts.
-Under barrel M1913 accessory rail system.
-Combat tritium illuminated night sights.


If interested please do not hesitate to place a order through our storefront. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529784)

Sincerely yours,

Carl Blish, HTC Sales Representative.

[OOC: You guys should note that he's asking for a 9x19mm pistol specificly. And seeing how Tenifer and Melonite are trademarked, I made up my own finish for HTC guns. Whee.]
OOC P270A-M3 Diablo Combat Pistol that has a mag of 18 rounds of 9x19 mm Parabellum from that store i posted

OOC P270A-M3 Diablo Combat Pistol that has a mag of 18 rounds of 9x19 mm Parabellum from that store i posted

[My apologies. I didn't read that far down the page.]

[My apologies. I didn't read that far down the page.]
OOC if you look they got their Police Service Pistol from there

Please remember it must be 9x19 mm Parabellum calibre!

The HK P8 is chambered for 9mm Parabellum. It is also a tried and true weapon that has been a mainstay of the German Army for decades.


I suggested having a look at the FN Five-Seven because it uses the same round as the P90 [think funny looking bullpup configured gun that Col/Gen O'Niel of Stargate uses] Its velocity and penetration, two items that you seem concerned about, simply can not be beaten.

The P90 offers an astonishing amount of raw power in a small package. It is also quite versatile and can be configured with tons of options: grenade launcher, laser site, pump action shotgun...

Even if you don't hand them out to everybody, it is well worth having some around for your anti-terror/special forces/SWAT types.

We'll send you a case of 12 each for your evaluation free of charge: HK P8, FN Five-Seven, FN P90.

If we may be of further assistance don't hesitate to call on us.

OOC: Man, I wanted to post mine, but it's .45 ACP, not 9mm Parabellum.

OK : Other calibres will now be accepeted, but should NOT be unique to one nation, and must NOT be ridiculous calibres (e.g. The Most Impractical 1 calibre pistol!)

HH-1 Handgun

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x204/Sgt-Alex/HH-1.png
*TWSP Original*
Type: Double Action
Calibers: .45 ACP
Weight unloaded: 790 g
Length: 196 mm
Barrel length: 97 mm
Capacity: 11 rounds (1 in chamber)
Price: $400 USDs
Description: The HH-1 is TWSP's first custom-made handgun, it intends to replace the Colt M1911A1 as the standard pistol in TWSP's Armed and Security Forces, and exceeds its predeccesor both in magazine capacity, rate of fire and stopping power.

We can offer you Domestic Production Rights (DPRs) for this fine weapon, which would allow you to produce as many as you want. Price is negotiable.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/USCMC/nationstates/SequoiaSDS.jpg

I thank and am grateful to the Shadow Republic of Imperial isa for their kind recommendation of our products for this competition. As the selection criteria for the Alfegos pistol contract has now been expanded to accept calibres other than 9 mm Parabellum, we ask that the P270A Diablo Combat Pistol be considered chambered in both 10 mm Auto and .45 ACP.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/USCMC/nationstates/Signature.jpg

We will consider it in those calibres.

[OOC: Well seeing that other cartridges are now premitted, I should mention that the Breyr is available in 9.8x23mm ACP, .45 ACP, .400 Corbon (same magazine size as the .45 cause its a necked down .45 case). 9.8 ACP also lets you use the PDW conversion kit (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12800239&postcount=77) ]

The HK P8 is chambered for 9mm Parabellum. It is also a tried and true weapon that has been a mainstay of the German Army for decades.


I suggested having a look at the FN Five-Seven because it uses the same round as the P90 [think funny looking bullpup configured gun that Col/Gen O'Niel of Stargate uses] Its velocity and penetration, two items that you seem concerned about, simply can not be beaten.

The P90 offers an astonishing amount of raw power in a small package. It is also quite versatile and can be configured with tons of options: grenade launcher, laser site, pump action shotgun...

Even if you don't hand them out to everybody, it is well worth having some around for your anti-terror/special forces/SWAT types.

We'll send you a case of 12 each for your evaluation free of charge: HK P8, FN Five-Seven, FN P90.

If we may be of further assistance don't hesitate to call on us.

((OOC: You know, it is generally accepted anyone can use RL tech on NS without the need for purchasing from another player, which is why I never entirely understood storefronts that stock mostly or solely real-life items. Your offering the P8 or Five-seveN really doesn't matter much, considering if he wanted them he could produce them himself without any penalty.

And I'm also not too sure of mounting a UGL on the underside of a P90, let alone a 12 gauge... The thing's only 500mm long and weighs 3 kilos loaded.

In any case, I would offer the CS12, but it's not availiable in fully automatic and I'm too lazy to revise the design. :P So yeah, good luck in choosing a pistol.))

A bump for competition.

bump for competition

Anyone else have agun? They asked for 20... I might design a new one just for this...

And I'm also not too sure of mounting a UGL on the underside of a P90, let alone a 12 gauge... The thing's only 500mm long and weighs 3 kilos loaded.
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LOL... those are the Stargate SG1 options. Any resemblance to reality is totally coincidental. ;)

As I respect FN and HK's guns, I like to spread the love.

I am adding domestic designs as I come up with them. The Fox-fire programable underwater decoy, upgraded ADATS and 100mm smart mortar are my best work.

My first sell was 2 X Argus class helicopter destroyer- a bigger than average destroyer with room for 11 helicopters.

OOC: Just found this thread. If you don't mind waiting just a little bit longer, I'm currently working on whipping up a new PRA pistol design anyway, and would be happy to sell to you.

So yeah, consider this a rather lengthy tag for interest.

This weapon is still currently in test stages but we are providing data we have currently gathered. This weapon; currently designated KSB AP-1 is an autoloading and firing pistol. More details will be revealed later but this is what we have been permitted to release on open channels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/SaintB/ap1.jpg

Magazine: 15 round clip
Round: 9x19mm Parabellum 118 Grain
Rate of fire: 175 r/m
Velocity: ~465 m/s
Energy: ~491 Joules

If Alfegos is interested more information will be revealed to them.

TKB Design Corporation

The TKB Design Corporation would like to invite an Alfegos delegation to observe the firing of two our latest designs, simple, well built pistols, built to be sturdy in the arctic climate of Northeastern Leafanistan.

4P11 Pistol

If good economics, ergonomics and reliability are what you are looking for the 4P11 is where it is at. It is covered in rails to fit various devices, threaded tip to fit a silencer and can even fit a stock. It is very comfortable to fire and uses trapezoidal sights and is an easy learn. A good reliable pistol that is comfortable and easy to learn, and a good deal to boot!

Type: Double Action
Calibre: 9x21mm SP-10 with a hardened AP core
Length: 186mm
Barrel Length: 115mm
Capacity: 20 rounds or 32 round extended clip
Effective Range: 150m-250m

$775 US each

6MP54 Machine Pistol

This pistol also includes a silencer and shoulder stock and a lower and top mounted rail to hold a variety of accessories. It performs reasonably well in close range and gives good penetration of body armour at close ranges. It is a selective fire weapon and fires either 2 round bursts or semiautomatically. It is made of sturdy metal alloys and the weight helps stabilize it. It has trapezoidal sights and a very good 'pointability'.

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x21mm SP-10 with a hardened AP core
Weight unloaded: 1.86 kg empty, with silencer and stock
Length: 252 mm less silencer; 455 mm with silencer and no stock
Barrel length: 142 mm
Capacity: 20 round clip or 32 rounds extended clip
Effective Range: 125-200m

$1500 US each

The 9x21mm SP-10 has similar recoil as the 9mm Luger, but offers a much higher armor penetration and can easily break through Kevlar vests.

General Resources Conglomerate

The Conglomerate would like to offer your nation the M49 Bodkin family of Pistols, Submachine guns and carbines.

M49 Bodkin Machine Pistol

The smallest member, it is the pistol version, the M49 is the base unit. It fires either the 9x18mm ZD12 caseless or the special 5.8x19mm Leafanistani Caseless. It can be hard to control at times due to its light weight at full automatic firing, and has two modes, full auto and semiauto. It has a top mounted helical magazine made of clear polymer containing 45 or 75 rounds or the extended 115 round magazine that only comfortably fits the carbine version, though all the mags are interchangeable.

Caliber: 9x18mm ZD12 or 5.8x19mm Leafanistani [default]
Weight: 1.85 kg empty
Length: 612mm
Barrel length: 200 mm
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute (reduced to maintain stability and prevent cookoff)
Magazine capacity: 45, 75, 115 rounds
Effective Range: 100-150m

$3500 US each

M50 Bodkin Carbine

Technically speaking, all Bodkins use a family of modular parts including the 380mm barrel, the larger magazines, the retractable buttstock and all fit top mounted and bottom mounted accessories with the exception of the M49 with the 115 Extended round magazine because the large size of it takes up the room for top mounted accessories.

Caliber: 9x18mm ZD12 or 5.8x19mm Leafanistani [default]
Weight: 2.24kg empty
Length: 792mm-942mm with buttstock extended
Barrel Length: 380mm
ROF: 650 rpm
Magazine capacity: 45, 75, 115 rounds
Effective Range: 200-275m

$4750 US each

The advantage to buying into the M49 Family of firearms, is backwards compatibility with ammunition between all family members, and ease of training.

[OOC: Hate to bump this, but have you reached a decision Alfegos?]

To SaintB

Alfegos is very interested in this new pistol design, and is willing for new information.

To Leafistan

We cannot accept the carbine, as we are looking for a pistol. Otherwise, very interesting.

To Izistan

Fear not, we starting to test the weaponry in the Milkavich proving grounds. Expect results within the next week.
Sorry, but I was on holiday for the last fortnight.

The old firing mechanism was redesigned, the bullets travel at a slower velocity and as such provide less energy on impact. This was necesary however as the bullets tended to mushroom on impact with hard body armor and loose effectiveness, the firing mechanism still puts out bullets with a 9.72% increase in speed and power over the 9 mm Beretta. The firing rate has been lowered slightly to increase accuracy.

KSB AP-1
Length: 230 mm
Barrel: 142 mm
Magazine: 15 round clip + 1 in chamber
Round: 9x19 mm Luger Parabellum, 9x21 Isreali Military Industries
Wieght: 1.77 kg
Rate of Fire: 155 r/m


Firing Comparison
The following is data gathered in a test fire vs the 9 mm Beretta Model 92 in a controlled test firing into ballistics jell from a distance of 4 meters.

Luger Parabellum 9x19 mm 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket
9 mm Beretta
Velocity: ~360 m/s
Energy: ~484 joules

KSB AP-1
Velocity: ~395 m/s
Energy: ~531 joules

Luger Parabellum 9x19 mm 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket
9 mm Beretta
Velocity: ~351 m/s
Energy:~495 joules

KSB AP-1
Velocity: ~385 m/s
Energy: ~542 joules

Luger Parabellum 9x19 mm 147 Grain Full Metal Jacket
9 mm Beretta
Velocity:~305 m/s
Energy:~443 joules

KSB Ap-1
Velocity: ~334 m/s
Energy:~485 joules

Added.

No more additions from now, as testing is underway.

A shortlist of 5 will be decided, before final testing finds the ideal candidate.

Will the list be announced or are these tests closed?

OOC: It will be posted in the thread, at the beginning and here-ish by this afternoon. I have already selected 4.