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Well it's been a long time since I've been involved in any war whatsoever and quite frankly I'm bired with my nation being in peacetime. So yes I'm looking for a war. I don't care who with as long as there is some decent reason behind it.

As you may or may not know my nation has four leaders and thes leaders pass on their titles to their oldest child like royalty. Anywho the titles have now passed onto a new generation, all young and all restless tired of seeing their nation become a backseat passenger in International politics.

So any offers or such?

If Londim is either controlled by corporations, or an oppressive government of any kind, I might be interested. Also, if we could keep the sides fairly small.

Well the royals only allow very little political participation but grant the populace many civil rights. Small is fine with me.

Come on. I know you lot aren't scared of going to war for the hell of it.

Hmm. I would, but I can't dream of a good reason.

Unofficial leaked statement from King Maximus;

"I would, but my nation is tiny, and I've only just started developing a military of any kind."

Well the royals only allow very little political participation but grant the populace many civil rights. Small is fine with me.

Damn... Um... Well, I actually am RP'ing my PM as a bipolar paranoid schizophrenic, so maybe we could just use that... Um.... I dunno

Hmm. I would, but I can't dream of a good reason.

I was hoping you would be one to respond...you'll see in a minute why.

Damn... Um... Well, I actually am RP'ing my PM as a bipolar paranoid schizophrenic, so maybe we could just use that... Um.... I dunno

Right a reason. Lets say three of the leaders kill the other and bring about a police state. Also another tantalizing proposal. If I lose then Londim can become a protectorate or territory of one or both our nations. Can you really give up the chance to make a nation of 2.5 billion apart of your small empires? And instill a puppet government?

I'm laying it all on the line.

I would intervene, sure.

Excellent. I'll wait to see if anyone else is interested but either way I'll make an IC thread tomorrow.

Hmm. This could be interesting. My Prime Minister ICly hates BL for absolutely no reason. I could have some sort of internal political struggle in MY nation leading to the legislative overruling the PM and forcing a war ALONGSIDE BL. If BL and I agreed that... for some generic reason, our forces were stretched somewhat thin, we could make it a simple 2 on 1 with relatively fair sides.

Just a suggestion...

Yeah that could work quite well. I'll write out the IC thread and then post the link for it here. It'll probably be called Four become Three or something.

I'm always happy to wade into a good war. Lyras, as a military (not a militant state, a military state, wherein the military IS the state) may want to fight simply to test its own strength.

If you'll have me I'd be more than willing to oblige.

Welcome aboard.

Excellent. Where do you want me?

IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535046)

There we go. We can now begin.

I'd like to join. If BL is in, I'd probably be helping him out, since I'm his ally via the UFAN, although ICly I don't like him much.

Welcome to the RP. And Lyras. You can support my nations actions and side with them or side with the others. Its upto you.

Don't suppose you have a map, by any chance, do you?

Nah sorry. I did have one but my copmuter got wiped and I lost it. Its quite a simple layout. The Palace is in the centre of the nation surrounded by Resa City. The South is where the coast is, the West are where mountains are, The North is a desert area and The East has a very large forset. There are large towns in each of these areas.

i guess i'll join. my 1st war though...

Town names and national dimensions (if you have any)? I can make one up, if you like...

The sides should be something like this

British Londinium
Avisron
Hamilay

And then

Londim
Lyras
The Indonesian states

Or maybe The Indonesian States should be on the other side.... *shrug*

Town names and national dimensions (if you have any)? I can make one up, if you like...

Main Town Names:

Resa City - This is the capital city of Londim. The Palace is located in the centre guarded all the way round by top military personnel.

Chowanoc - City in the East. Located around 2 miles in the forest so hard to get to.

Abnaki - The Mountain City. Is at the base of The Colice Moutain Range so natural defense of the mountains behind it along with the climate which is very cold.

Huchnom - This is located at the coast. An active harbour which is continously patrolled by a small fleet.

Kitkatla - The desert city. Possibly the hardest city to get too due to the desert roads not being maintained well so some are in disrepair.

There are smaller towns around these and obviously there will be military personnel close by to fight off an attack.

And welcome aboard Indonesian States.

Roger. I'll come up with a map in the morning... correction... later in the morning... Sleep beckons for now...

btw, for the record, I am IC on good terms with Hamilay, so I may focus my forces on you, BL. Nothing personal :), and if you do well in combat then it will garner great respect amongst the warrior-minded Lyrans...

Can I join? I could ally with British Londinium, Avisron and Hamilay.

Welcome aboard Brukistan :)

I'd like to see this turn into siege warfare, myself. It would be nice to have a war that's fairly one sided, but at the same time, each side has roughly the same amount of power. Everyone on the BL/Avisron side should come up with generic reasons for not being able to commit their entire military to the war.

I wouldn't mind joining on BL's side, mainly because I've never seen him battle, and I wouldn't want the first experience to be against me. And, good wars are fun.

Yeah, the sides are definitely gonna be one sided, now. But that's okay if everyone limits their numbers.

A nice one sided war. I always liked a challenge.

I usually put 1 million soldiers in, my army has 2 million, just in case I get stuck in another war. Can i start Rping?

I'm not sure how this works, as I am relatively new to Nationstates, but I want to wtach. Is there a "how to" guide anywhere on here?

In the meantime, feel free to use the nation of BeeGeesopia to hold conferences or for the signing of the peace treaty. That way I can stay neutral in this one.

For the time being... :D

Can I join against? Against the assaination, that is. I can only submit about 2000 troops (not a huge pop/ weapons stockpile), but the more the merrier.

One million? Gosh, that's alot. I'd like to see a type of war where we spend forever trying to just get ASHORE in Londim. Not something where we launch a massive amphibious invasion 2 days in.

The Cazanites would like to join. small forces are fine. about 2000 is good 1 million is too big. i would like to be on londims side.

It would be very nice if the attackers spent like, months of real life time strategically assaulting Londims defenses, and then invaded with only a few hundred thousand ground forces COMBINED.

Yeah I'm telling you now it won't be easy invading Londim as my Armed Forces make up 3% of my population so you'r looking at around 80 million military personnel. Also a population who won' be friendly to invaders. This isn't going to be a walk in the park. That's for sure.

I'm thinking siege is not so much the answer as overload. I've found bombing to be a useful strategy. Also, I think it would be a good idea if people compiled the data on what they have army wise, so that both sides know exactly what they can do. If you're interested, send me a telegram.

I'd be interested in partaking in this. My nations military is well under 1% of the population, so I probably won't commit that many forces, but if things escalate a bunch ya never know. I'd probably end up against Londim it seems. That all okay?

Yeah that would be fine. Welcome aboard.

I'm thinking siege is not so much the answer as overload. I've found bombing to be a useful strategy. Also, I think it would be a good idea if people compiled the data on what they have army wise, so that both sides know exactly what they can do. If you're interested, send me a telegram.

Of course overloading their defenses would be the easiest, quickest way to go about things. However, is that really the most fun way to do it? That's how every single war on NS is. Why don't we do something different and actually have our forces, the attackers, be vastly outnumbered?

What I'd like to see happen would be the Londim(ian?) air force and navy quickly be crushed, but the attackers don't really have enough troops to commit to an all out invasion, so we cut the nation off from the outside world and slowly begin to harass the Londimians defenses.

Now, for the attackers, how do we plan about ICly organizing our coalition? It would be great if this war had fairly clear sides and we weren't all doing different things. Do you guys want Avisron to assume control of the coalition, since I'm already sorta micromanaging the RP? :p

I wouldn't mind an Avisronian leadership of the coalition. As long as the other large nations (VDB, myself, etc) get a fair share of Londim if we win. And your crazy PM would have to bite the dust.

I wouldn't mind an Avisronian leadership of the coalition. As long as the other large nations (VDB, myself, etc) get a fair share of Londim if we win. And your crazy PM would have to bite the dust.

Yeah, of course.

I'm just gonna have the PM get overruled by the parliament. It'll piss him off, but he'll get over it.

Avisron leadership sounds fine to me. Probably work better for comunication anyway. You say jump, we say how high :p

Avisron leadership sounds fine to me. Probably work better for comunication anyway. You say jump, we say how high :p

:)

As for strategy, I think a siege would be a good idea, but what i think would also work (or as well) would be to cut off his port city. Following your whole idea of isolation, you cut out the main port, and that'll make them ten times weaker. Strategy 101. Do we have anything in the way of bombs in out artillery (non-plane type bombs, I mean)?

Now, we don't really want to put groundforces down until we do serious damage to his air and sea power. For that, we need to muster up a naval power, as well as get in some air supremacy. I apologize for being obvious, but I just wanted to sum things up.

Things are under control, dude, calm down. :p

sorry. I'm over-zealous when it coems to strategising (but, apparently not spelling.) I'll try and tone it down.

Avisron leadership works fine for me. And by the way i don't want any land just some more experience for my troops. My troops are at your command.

I do have to request a small amount of land, just a little bit. Why? Faxanavia is a very small country, and frankly, I'd like to expand. So, if that's okay with all of you...

We're up against a 120 million man army and haven't raised over 10 million troops ourselves and you guys are already talking about how we divide the country up. :p

I'm going to be making a post or two later today.

Good point... We need to rally more troops. Can you guys talk to people from your region?

I would like to get involved, because I haven't been involved in a war RP since summer of 2004 and I've a lot of rust to shake off.

I couldn't imagine how a semi-isolationist Norse state would get into this war though.

Welcome to the party Lorkhan. If the coalition wins then some of the land may be divided up between you. If not then we'll see what happens...

If you want to side with Londim, it could be because your nation wishes to have their protection, or something of that nature.

If you want to fight AGAINST Londim, it could be because your nation is scared shitless at the thought of an 80 million man army being controlled by imperialists.

Frankly, I do believe that the ATTACKERS are slightly outnumbered now, and we could use your help, but it doesn't matter, really.

Just for the record; an updated list.

Londimian Disarmament Coalition
Avisron
British Londinium
Hamilay
Brukistan
Vanek Drury Brieres
Faxanavia
Alutia


Londims Side... thing
Londim
Lyras
The Indonesian states
CAZANITES

I'll do something to indicate inactivity at a later date.

I've posted in IC thread.

I don't see joining Londim's forces for protection to be something my people would do, but I could commit forces to the coalition due to concern over regional interests. Is your nation Christian based? An 80 million military controlled by Christian zealot Imperialists would mobilize our forces in a heartbeat.

Abnaki - The Mountain City. Is at the base of The Colice Moutain Range so natural defense of the mountains behind it along with the climate which is very cold. <- Lorkhan's PDF or Varjsoldat would probably be best suited for this, as most of my country is mountains and valleys, and it gets pretty cold.

Londim, telegram sent your way.

It would probably make sense to regulate a time from real life to NS (I.E. 1 day=1 year, etc.) simply so that we can all be on the same schedule. Opinions/ suggestions?

I dislike systems like that. Lets just let the RP work itself out. Fluid time, eh?

We could, but it'd be difficult to regulate. I'm happy to go either way.

I think the RP should work it self out. Now, let's rp!

Fair enough! Let's get that started.

Nearly every other RP on NationStates just lets the RP work itself out... Just be realistic, people.

Could Tartarystan join in? We're really not much of a warfare nation, so our army isn't big. We'll probably just be a junior coalition party, and we'll probably just get trade concessions or some kind of money out of it, we're more commerce-based than imperialist based. We might also need transport since we don't actually have a blue-water navy. Really, Tartarystan will just make a small contribution to the invasion force I would guess. We'll send about one to three divisions.

We'll send about one to three divisions.

How many soldiers would that be?

I don't see joining Londim's forces for protection to be something my people would do, but I could commit forces to the coalition due to concern over regional interests. Is your nation Christian based? An 80 million military controlled by Christian zealot Imperialists would mobilize our forces in a heartbeat.

Abnaki - The Mountain City. Is at the base of The Colice Moutain Range so natural defense of the mountains behind it along with the climate which is very cold. <- Lorkhan's PDF or Varjsoldat would probably be best suited for this, as most of my country is mountains and valleys, and it gets pretty cold.
Not Christian but open to all religions. Who knows if Lorkhan assists Londim then Christianity could become a major part of Londim society.

Okay, just for clarification, I'm okay with a few governments finding out 'through the grape vine' that the LDC has been formed. However, because it hasn't gone operational yet, the membership list of said coalition would be a tightly guarded secret.

Also, it would appear we've moved to a stand still, at this point. We've got the two sides ready for war, but we really need something to light the fuse.

Ideas?

Also, Londim, how much of your navy is deployed to areas near your nation? I would imagine that with rumors of a massive coalition forming against you popping up here and there, your government would become paranoid and recall a great number of its foreign assets back closer to home, correct?

Brukistan, just a few things- a thousand tanks per division is a bit much. To run eight armoured divisions you'd need a lot more than 28,000 men, assuming your elite soldiers make up the armoured units, and four million soldiers is an awful lot for your nation. 10% military will basically completely wreck your economy, let alone 100 million. That would be an understandable desparate move by your government if Londim's troops were swarming over your borders, but they're not. In terms of how many troops you can get to Londim, without more information on your military I'd say one million is probably plenty.

Just to provide clarification on what I can call up, I have a professional standing army of 22 million or so, and about 200 million reservists. These are just ordinary volunteer citizens who turn up to learn how to shoot a gun and follow orders for an hour a week, and don't get sent into combat, rather providing a pool of already somewhat trained people for conscription into the regular forces. I can bump my regular army up to about 100 million, which would translate in practical terms to about 40 million off to Londim, but that full mobilization is not going to happen unless either Londim counterattacks Hamilay, or my 5 million commitment gets in serious trouble and needs to be bailed out.

When i said that i would draft them i meant that they're ready for leaving to war but i didn't mean that im gonna use them all immediately in a massive attack.
So they work as reserves. And they only know how to shoot with a gun and basic warfare tactics.

And the tanks include the crew, so there is 28,000 soldiers and 36,000 crew members (4 per tank).

And btw, 4 million is 1% of my nations population.

So the 100 million are not even ready to fight yet. And I start their training only if we need reinforcements.

Trouble with that is that if things in the invasion go south it will takes weeks to draft, train, transport and equip the soldiers.

Net result; smaller than expected numbers of poorly trained, ill-equipped soldiers arriving too late to do any real good.

but on the subject of something to get this going: Well, obviously the LDC is waiting for avisron's orders. Maybe some sort of suprise offensive by Londim, like a bombing or a destruction of ships? This can be targeted towards any country, but probably one from within the coalition.

I think it'd work better if Londim's allies get into Londim itself, before the fireworks start...

Not Christian but open to all religions. Who knows if Lorkhan assists Londim then Christianity could become a major part of Londim society.

I doubt that. People can get killed in Lorkhan for practicing Christianity in the wrong region. Church burnings are frequent in rural communities. It's mostly only tolerated in the urban areas, and it is still highly frowned upon. Lorkhan's state religion is Ásatrú (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BA), which is Norse mythology.

Londim, if it's okay with you, I'd like to drop some agents into your country. If you'd like to go through with it just let me know how my men would get in to your capital. Because of the way our security agency works, most of our agents are pooled out of a undocumented private agency that serves as a front for the OCULMAGT. So if you'd like to RP them being caught and interrogated, then the only trace would lead to them being nationless spies for hire from an unknown company.

but on the subject of something to get this going: Well, obviously the LDC is waiting for avisron's orders. Maybe some sort of suprise offensive by Londim, like a bombing or a destruction of ships? This can be targeted towards any country, but probably one from within the coalition.

I was planning on having one of Lorkhan's civilian ships be bombed and sunk by an over-aggressive Londim naval officer's ship or by an aerial patrol, igniting the conflict between Lorkhan and Londim which might force the LDC to play it's hand.

But, Londim did RP that his men have been ordered not to fire unless fire upon.

Well then, we seem to be at a standstil. Perhaps one of Lorkhan's spies can be connected to the LDC, albeit not really, and that gives the Londiminian forces the reasoning to attack? Or possibly a spy from another country? Or maybe you detect satelite surveilance?

I doubt that. People can get killed in Lorkhan for practicing Christianity in the wrong region. Church burnings are frequent in rural communities. It's mostly only tolerated in the urban areas, and it is still highly frowned upon. Lorkhan's state religion is Ásatrú (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BA), which is Norse mythology.

Londim, if it's okay with you, I'd like to drop some agents into your country. If you'd like to go through with it just let me know how my men would get in to your capital. Because of the way our security agency works, most of our agents are pooled out of a undocumented private agency that serves as a front for the OCULMAGT. So if you'd like to RP them being caught and interrogated, then the only trace would lead to them being nationless spies for hire from an unknown company.

Its fine to drop aganets in. Around 5 to 10 agents could get into the capital but would have great diffculty getting near tha palace as all peopele whoa re apporached are questioned.

Well then, we seem to be at a standstil. Perhaps one of Lorkhan's spies can be connected to the LDC, albeit not really, and that gives the Londiminian forces the reasoning to attack? Or possibly a spy from another country? Or maybe you detect satelite surveilance?

I could still have a trigger happy captain being suspicious of any other nations ships and firing on them. Of course publicly there may be outcry but the Three would approve.

I have an idea how the war should start.

One of the coalition member would accidentally order an airstrike against Londims navy. Then there would be some kind of meeting with every nation that participiate in this war. The negotations would end up in the declaration of war.

Would this be a good idea?

You guys who are trying to get more soldiers trained before the invasion have PLENTY of time. It may be up to a year or two or maybe even three of RP time before I even think about an invasion. The fact is that right now we don't have anywhere near the manpower we need to compete effectively with Londims numbers. The only way to make our current force strength work, therefore, is to curtail his numbers drastically. We're going to need complete naval and air superiority before we can even think about putting troops on the ground.

Now, in my opinion, the best way to start this would be to have the Londimian government start harassing the shipping lanes near its territorial waters. Also, Londim, forgive me if you answered this somewhere and I missed it, but I asked if a lot of your navy has been called back to protect the homeland incase these 'rumors' about the LDC are actually true. That bit of information is critical to my strategy regardless of what the answer is.

Also, you guys who are members of the LDC, you've been focusing alot on your ground forces. This war, should it remain anything like what I've been planning for, will be more about naval and air warfare than what takes place on the ground. Do you guys have navies and air forces? If you don't, my Department of Defense would probably pour funding into creating such programs, or even take your pilots and put them in Avisronian aircraft.

Also, Brukistan, calm down. I'm not going to respond to your IC post suggesting we "hurry up," because frankly, little time has passed ICly. This RP is going to take a ton of OOC time. We have no in character reason to attack yet, and doing so would make this RP very noobish. Patience, my friend.

Ok i'll be patient i'm just used to that things happen fast. But you're the boss.
And about that airforce and navy i can transfer some my funding from ground forces to airforce and navy. Just tell what kind of ships and planes you want us to build. I already have 15 f-18 hornets and 30 Hamina-class missile boats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamina_class_missile_boat)

BTW check my army for more information (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Brukistan)

Ok i'll be patient i'm just used to that things happen fast. But you're the boss.
And about that airforce and navy i can transfer some my funding from ground forces to airforce and navy. Just tell what kind of ships and planes you want us to build. I already have 15 f-18 hornets and 30 Hamina-class missile boats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamina_class_missile_boat)

BTW check my army for more information (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Brukistan)

This is a more... classy, RP, I suppose. There's alot of experienced guys here. We like to take our time and write a good story, rather than just jumping into things.

What kind of a navy you have doesn't matter. It's going to be a slugfest, most likely.

Well, my military is extensively naval based, with my navy being based around undersea warfare. The ships that I opperate tend to be more advanced then those used by RL nations simply because of the massive Defense budget when compared to a pretty small military. For these reasons I think that Alutia would weigh quite heavily into the naval neutralization of Londim. As for the air war, Alutian CBGs could lend a hand in that regard, however Londim is likely to be able to sortie thousands upon thousands of land based combat aircraft of one type or another, which essentially means that unless our side is capable of bringing in land based air power, we're going to have some major issues taking out his airforce.

Now, as for opperating under a unified commander. My nation would have serious problems stomaching this, and unless it became absolutely crucially necessary, would remain independently operated. This would be due to both technical difficulties in the area of communications which my nation employs, as well as being an issue of national pride.

Actually, my plan was never to have a "unified commander." I wanted to be more of a "unified coordinator," and some of the more inexperienced guys made that out to be much more than it was. I fully trust the more experienced people of the LDC; Alutia, British Londinium, Hamilay, to run a tactful war effort. What I'm worried about, and why I assumed so much control early on, is we have some unexperienced guys who could really mess a tactful operation up. This isn't horrible, y'know, because everyone was new at one point, but having certain people totally freelancing the whole thing could really mess things up.

I'll reply to your strategy discussion after I make one more IC post.

Okay, my last post should do a decent amount of damage to Londims Air Force. Don't worry about me using that type of weapon a lot, though. The Avisronian military doesn't like space based weaponry. I'd also appreciate it if the Londimian government didn't find out right away that it was linked to the Avisronian government.

I feel as though I should speak for the inexperienced people, as I'm the only one on right now. I think we really have no problem working under one leader, and following Avisronian command. Mainly, we're in it for the experience, not the spoils. If I've said something here that my fellows disagree with, please let me know.
On another subject, Faxanavia is now pouring funds into the design and creation of small arms weapons, as well as naval and air forces. I do plan to deploy a large air force, should I have enough in game time to conceivably produce enough planes. I also a mention a "The Big One" in my current post, but before anyone goes crazy over god-moding, I am gonna talk to Londim before deployment, so that should be okay.

Guys, guys, come on. Londim hasn't scored the strike I did on his nation, yet. He might come up with some sort of ingenius way to totally defeat the system. That's.... a tad bit unlikely, really, but lets give him time, okay?

I edited my post so that Londim can decide what happened to his airbases

Sorry for my mistake, this is just the second time when i'm RPing

Sorry for the slight lateness. Been quite a busy few days here. Anyway I have to admit Avisrion that is the best way I have ever been attacked. Of course no link can be made to your nation. And yes most of my navy has been called back to defend but I've left enough out to ensure I have decent reinforcements should they be necessary.

Does anyone know what happened to the other people who aren't posting (Cazanites, United Inodnesia States, etc.) Just wondering....

Ah, well, I can't see it making any difference to my nation one way or the other how everyone else coordinates, so that's fine.

Now, @ Londim, I tend to use tactical kinetic strikes rather often, although not quite in the way that Avisron just did, however, I want to check to see if that's okay. I doubt that they'll be used in the Naval combat phase much unless you have an excess of SDs and even then not that much, so it'll probably be a non issue until Alutian boots hit the ground in your nation. And that might not even happen.

Ah, well, I can't see it making any difference to my nation one way or the other how everyone else coordinates, so that's fine.

Now, @ Londim, I tend to use tactical kinetic strikes rather often, although not quite in the way that Avisron just did, however, I want to check to see if that's okay. I doubt that they'll be used in the Naval combat phase much unless you have an excess of SDs and even then not that much, so it'll probably be a non issue until Alutian boots hit the ground in your nation. And that might not even happen.

As long as they are not overly used then I'm fine with it.

Sorry for the slight lateness. Been quite a busy few days here. Anyway I have to admit Avisrion that is the best way I have ever been attacked. Of course no link can be made to your nation. And yes most of my navy has been called back to defend but I've left enough out to ensure I have decent reinforcements should they be necessary.

Cool. :)

I probably won't use strikes like that much. Once I have air superiority it'll be much cheaper to do things more conventionally.

And it's fine if you're slow to respond to things. School starts back for me, soon, so I'll be a little slow, too.

Does anyone know what happened to the other people who aren't posting (Cazanites, United Inodnesia States, etc.) Just wondering....

Aren't both of those guys new? They may have already left.

That, or like a few other people, they're waiting for something more major to happen.

Londim, did my strike take out a significant portion of your air force? I'm guessing yes.

I'll be up to more deviousness later this evening.

You took out quite a few air bases, some beyond repair, others are already starting to be rebuilt thoug it will take a while before they are operational. You missed a few though.

You took out quite a few air bases, some beyond repair, others are already starting to be rebuilt thoug it will take a while before they are operational. You missed a few though.

What about aircraft? I'd suspect that a great number of those were rather incinerated.

What about aircraft? I'd suspect that a great number of those were rather incinerated.

Numbers go into the thousands. The few that were able to get away are in Hibernation (code name for secret air bases). You got a lot of fighters say around, 4000 and 1000 bombers, 500 attack helicoptors also destroyed. so basically a very successful first strike by Avisron.

Sweet. You don't have a massive industrial base that can replace that many fighters in like a week, do you?

Sweet. You don't have a massive industrial base that can replace that many fighters in like a week, do you?

It'll take a while to rebuild that many but remember my armed forces total 80 million, 20 million of which belong to the Air Force so you've put a dent in the war machine but it will still function.

Oh, I'm just getting started.

I don't really know what to do next, though. I don't want to do the same type of attack twice in a row. Perhaps you should rough up some people in that commercial lane to really get things rolling?

I could do that and I think I will.

Nice. That'll give me an excuse to get things fully underway.

Nice. That'll give me an excuse to get things fully underway.

There you go. Claim that ship as belonging to your nation or citizens of your nation were on that ship.

Ok. I've thrown my two cents of explosives in.

Faxanavia, you've given me an idea.

Londim, do you mind if I use a technique sort of like Faxanavia just did to sneak into your airspace for some... things?

Faxanavia, you've given me an idea.

Londim, do you mind if I use a technique sort of like Faxanavia just did to sneak into your airspace for some... things?

Well you can try and sneak in. And if its okay with Faxnavia eventually I'll discover what I was hit with and find a way to get rid of them. Would EMP's affect these nanobots?

Most definetly. Assuming you want to take out your own systems. but actually, the nanobots will bio-degrade after several months, so that's another alternative.

Well you can try and sneak in. And if its okay with Faxnavia eventually I'll discover what I was hit with and find a way to get rid of them. Would EMP's affect these nanobots?

Hmm. Okay. It won't be a perfect op, but I think it'll be nice. I'll start working on that now.

Eh, I decided that what I was going to do would actually take about three days to complete, and that just isn't worth it, so I'm changing it a bit. I'm not using the Faxanavian method.

Also, I'd like to point out that, should this whole operation be successful for the LDC, the Avisronian government will award territory based on the level of assistance given nations provided.

Londim, i need to know what kind of ships you have

I'll go through all that now.

Aircraft:

Normal Fighter Jets:

Eurofighter Typhoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon)

Saab JAS 39 Gripen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen)

These two are the fighter jets in active service. quite a few were lost in Avisrions initial strike>

Stealth Fighter Jets:

These are in Hibernation kep only for emergencies. As you can now tell they are looking for any enemy aircraft in Londim airspace. Basically you won't know they are there until they are on top of you.

F-35 Lightning II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II)

F22 Raptor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor)

Some of the above have bombing capabilities.

Naval Ships:

Type 42 Destroyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_42_destroyer)

Delhi Class Destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_class_destroyer)

Wyoming Class Battleships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Arkansas_%28BB-33%29) (Yes there are no longer any battleships on active duty in RL but Londim belives they are the pinnacle of sea power)

Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier)

Type 25 Class Topedo Boats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_025_class_torpedo_boat)

Churchill Class Submarines. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_class_submarine)

Soory about the delay-ness. Will post as soon as able.

For reference, I'm assuming that my forces disembarked a while ago. Oh, and the map of Londim is almost complete.

I don't see any naval attack on Huchnom. It looks to me that it's just Faxanavia's F-11s and my Blackjacks plus their escorts. (btw, damage from my cruise missiles? :p) I do have my navy en route, but they're still some ways off, and you can't really tell where they're going yet. The naval planes were sent off ahead.

EDIT: I am very, very stupid. Missed Brukistan's missile boats. Sorry. So, just to clarify, we have Faxanavia launching a general attack on Huchnom, with my bombers and Brukistan's forces attacking the Londim navy specifically, yes?

Well, Faxanavia is basically endeavoring to do whatever it can to capture Huchnom, and also bomb the crap out of it.

Well, it does appear that the way is going well, now.

The only problem, Faxanavia, is that we're STILL outnumbered MASSIVELY in ground forces. If we do manage to eradicate Londimian naval and air resistance, we still have a lot of work to do before we can start INVADING.

Well, yes. Logically. But air and sea supremacy goes a long way too.

Well really, you said your main reason for wanting the port city was to be able to cut Londim off from the outside world. If we have total air and sea supremacy, we can accomplish that anyway.

Actually, it's because next to the capital a port city is the most important local there is. They act as the major, and sometimes only, location for the deployment of any naval forces. Also, they act as a vastly important trade center: Without your port city, you lose any import/export you've got going, as well as anything you need to bring into your country because you don't have it on local soil.

Bump

Also, they act as a vastly important trade center: Without your port city, you lose any import/export you've got going, as well as anything you need to bring into your country because you don't have it on local soil.

But dude, we don't have to take the CITY to do that. If we get naval and air superiority, they're already cut off.

Fair enough. You're the boss.
We could actually probably use some Avisronian help in Huchnom. We've got three seperate nations attacking, and we still can't bring them all down. Any ideas?

In a post I'm doing now those 25 destroyers of mine are pressing in that direction.

Also, I call them "destroyers," but these things are about as powerful as a battleship. It's extremely difficult to find them, and their guns RARELY miss. And since they're so automated, they rarely stop firing. Think of the American DDX on crack. And Red Bull.

Londim has the numerical advantage, but it's deceiving. I don't think his navy has any destroyers like mine, so that should make the two sides nearly even.

Good job on the continued bombing. I was, however, interested in what you think we're gonna do to handle the civilian populace. Clearly, they've been blinded to the three's true intentions, and are going to go after our ground troops. But you can't really kill civilians, if at all avoidable. Ideas?

They're brave to act so resilient while their homeland is still in once piece. We'll see how many of them feel like fighting when we reduce their lifestyle resembling that of mid evil Europe.

And if we completely lock the nation down, and don't allow journalists in, taking out a few civilians would be okay. :)

They're brave to act so resilient while their homeland is still in once piece. We'll see how many of them feel like fighting when we reduce their lifestyle resembling that of mid evil Europe.

And if we completely lock the nation down, and don't allow journalists in, taking out a few civilians would be okay. :)

If you invade you're going to have a lot of pissed off civilians. You'd probably have to expect an insurgency of civilian fighters.

To say nothing of a Lyran Army Group in the area...

Lyras! I was wondering when you'd be back on (Oh, crap. They're back. Then and their 40 million troops :eek: ). Anyway, I still feel that Civilian death should be avoidable. I mean, if we win and do take sovereignty of the country, they're gonna want leaders who freed them, not who persecuted them.

Fax, how hard are you fighting this war? By that, I mean, is this a "throw the full force of your nation into the fray" type of war, or is this kind of like an over-size peace-making mission for you?

An insurgency? Great! I love insurgencies!

The way I see it, if we somehow manage to defeat the AT LEAST 120 million man army, there won't be much of a nation left anyway. There's a point where they'll stop fighting. It's just a matter of who breaks first.

I'm landing troops to give myself a base on Londim, but I wouldn't try and completely occupy the country unless Avisron and company are sending millions of soldiers with that objective. The goal is to stop Londimian imperialism, so if we can achieve air superiority I'm content to bomb Londim's bases and installations until his military is crippled.

I'm certainly no expert, but isn't EMP a bit of a dodgy weapon to use against modern warships? They can be EMP shielded reasonably easily I think (which they are, DMG designs) and it seems more effective to fire exploding missiles.

Yeah, halfway decent weapons systems and equipment are EMP shielded these days. It will play havoc with civilian infrastructure, though.

Fax, how hard are you fighting this war? By that, I mean, is this a "throw the full force of your nation into the fray" type of war, or is this kind of like an over-size peace-making mission for you?

Well, really, I'm trying to throw as much as I can into this war. However, Faxanavia is by nature a peaceful country, and try to do as little harm to the civilians as possible. We always try to choose the peaceful way, if we can.

Would you be up for RP-ing an unexpected Lyran attack on your territory, sometime later on? The concept would be that while your forces are fighting over in Londim, we decide to knock you out of the war and invade. If you don't want to, that's ok though. Just thought it may add an interesting twist to this scenario.

Frankly, with EMPs, all it really takes is utulizing something the along the lines of a Farraday cage (sp?) and you've blocked most EMP blasts. Of course, I guess that'll mean my EMP attack on the Tsunami missles won't do so much good. Twenty/twenty hindsight, huh?

Would you be up for RP-ing an unexpected Lyran attack on your territory, sometime later on? The concept would be that while your forces are fighting over in Londim, we decide to knock you out of the war and invade. If you don't want to, that's ok though. Just thought it may add an interesting twist to this scenario.

Well, on one hand, it seems it would add an interesting plot twist. On the other, I'm not particularly prepared for an invasion. So, I'd be interested as long as Lyras wasn't in control even after the war. Perhaps you underestimate me in my having a small country, deploy enough troops to take over, but leave your self open for a possible insurgency *hint* *hint*.
How does that sound? I'm just somewhat nervous about giving away my country's powers without a chance to get them back.

I'd be more interested in knocking you out of the war, then pulling out. Or establishing a more pro-Lyran government, dumping bucket loads of military hardware into your arsenals, and then attacking someone else.

Insurgencies suck. I'm in the army. I know this to be true.

Oh, by the way, The Cromwell II links for the Shepherd system use frequency-agile radios or landline. Over 4,000 frequencies with 20kHz channel spacing are used in the frequency agile radio link. The system architecture provides full duplex data exchange and simultaneous half duplex voice communications.

and

The system, in its entirety, is fully insulated against electronic interference and data-hacking, and all communications and information exchange programs are 512 bit encrypted to ensure maximum network security.

Sorry buddy. You might get less out of those nanobots than you'd planned.

I bumped the LY219 and LY220, if you want to have a look. You're welcome to buy some, after the war, lol.

I'd be more interested in knocking you out of the war, then pulling out. Or establishing a more pro-Lyran government, dumping bucket loads of military hardware into your arsenals, and then attacking someone else.

Insurgencies suck. I'm in the army. I know this to be true.

Oh, by the way,

and



Sorry buddy. You might get less out of those nanobots than you'd planned.

I bumped the LY219 and LY220, if you want to have a look. You're welcome to buy some, after the war, lol.


Whoops. Seems the nanites aren't so useful.

"I'd be more interested in knocking you out of the war, then pulling out. Or establishing a more pro-Lyran government, dumping bucket loads of military hardware into your arsenals, and then attacking someone else."

Frankly, that works for me. I think, this early on in my online play, an allie in Lyras would be useful. So, yes, I am interested in doing something along these lines (preferravly establishing a more pro-lyran government. Always works better for me, what with more weapons;) )

Have a look at my NS homepage. While not 100% accurate to my RP, its a fair indication. Plenty of military hardware to go around. Given that there isn't a non-military sector, and all.

Also, in my far-less-humble-than-it-should-be opinion, you're doing extremely well RP-wise for such a relative newcomer. *Two thumbs up*

Do you have a map or something like that? If not, I'm happy to make one.

Speaking of which, Londim answer my t/g. I want to email you a map on Londim, drawn as per your specifications.

I'll try and get a map up shortly. HAve to assemble it (stupid MS Paint...)

Cool-ness. Paint is slow... but it works well.

I'm probably about to change my nations doctrine up a ton. Because of a space-salvage operation along with massively automated industrial organization, I can pump out submarines extremely fast, on top of the ones I already have.

Also, about the invasion/occupation of Faxanavia, look for the LFA to equip the mother of all insurgencies there. I've been part of about a dozen insurgencies in my RP career. Avisron would pull the old "resources spread too thin" card to keep from throwing a ton of guys there, and then invest billions into making Lyras bleed.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_Utjm4xK1HZo/RsHAPlzRfZI/AAAAAAAAAA8/0pqPEfX5U3I/s200/Faxanavia+map.JPG
See if that works.
That's a roughly drawn map of Faxanavia. It's divided up into five states- thus, the Allied States of Faxanavia.
they were originally five countries until Faxanavian warlords took over the other four.
Edit:
All you have to do is click on it and download the JPg file, then run it in wahtever viewer you use.

Insurgencies would only be around after I'd cleared out. The intent would only be to stop the war-making capabilities of Faxnavia against Lyras.

That is, if we can set up a sympathetic government, great. If not, we'll just dismantle the entire industrial sector, then find another country to cripple. We wouldn't intend to occupy.

Insurgencies would only be around after I'd cleared out. The intent would only be to stop the war-making capabilities of Faxnavia against Lyras.

That is, if we can set up a sympathetic government, great. If not, we'll just dismantle the entire industrial sector, then find another country to cripple. We wouldn't intend to occupy.

Sure. Like we have an industrial sector.
Keep in mind that Faxanavia is socialist, so you only control the industrial sector if you damage the government. Just something to think on.

I just fired 60,000 cruise missiles into the Londimian navy. That should advance the cause a little bit...

:eek: I continue to be overwhelmed by the shear power of the weapons you all use on each other.

60,000. Ouch. That's going to hurt.

Not a bad map, that. I was thinking a little more like this though...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/2821090/StornArchipelago.jpg

i hate to be redundant but :eek: But, seriously, I'll try and give it a run through and make it look more realistic. That first one was just a speed run.

Lol. I had too much time on my hands back then. And Varessa and Fehnmar helped, doing there bits, which I blended into one...

54,000 missiles back at ya.

it has come to my atention that theres a war going to happen in the future and i would like to join that war because my people become bored with peace so i will hopefully bring a un contable number of nuclear and air asets to londin allso some navy asets as well.

ministry of offence

antec union

1,000,000,000,000,000 nuclear missiles
2,000,000,000,000,000 trident missiles back at you flexania :sniper::upyours::upyours::sniper:

Mhm, okay. Read the stickies. I don't think anyone wants to RP with someone that's so... underdeveloped.

1,000,000,000,000,000 nuclear missiles
2,000,000,000,000,000 trident missiles back at you flexania :sniper::upyours::upyours::sniper:

I'm sorry. What?
How did you even manage to gain nuclear power, nevermind 1 trillion missles. You just glassed most of the western hemisphere.
How can a country five days old have the power to deploy over 3 trillion explosive devices.
I think we can safely ignore this, as it's not even in the RP section.
And just who, exactly, is Flexania?

Okay, the map seems to have screwed it self up in processing. You can't actually read anything.
Still, here's the link:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_Utjm4xK1HZo/RsHhY1zRfaI/AAAAAAAAABE/7TeWt8Nh01I/s200/Faxanavia+map.bmp

1,000,000,000,000,000 nuclear missiles
2,000,000,000,000,000 trident missiles back at you flexania :sniper::upyours::upyours::sniper:

Who the hell is this guy?
And 1 trillion missiles? That would blow up the earth to pieces.

BTW I read all his previous posts he is a spammer.

What the heck is with this guy? Anyway, let's throw him out of our thread! One... Two.... Three.... 1 Trillion Nukes away!

1 trillion nukes... sorry to break it to you buddy :rolleyes: but a. you've got maybe 20 million peeps, I say hit 200 before nukes, and b. not even the BL has 1 trillion nukes (but he three 27,000 at NC, who i liked.)

Londim, your map is ready. Can you t/g me your email address, so I can send it to you?

Just to make things easier, could we get a link to the IC thread in the OP here and vice versa?

VDB, your air attack seems like godmodding a bit. Unless Londim's capital city is say right on the coast, you can't just have 500 'air force planes' just fly over his nation and all the air defences below and attack his capital. Stealth bombers, maybe, but if you tried that on Hamilay, we're about the size of Russia and your planes would be swarmed by interceptors before you got halfway.

Concur with Hamilay.

By the way, would any of you fine people be interested in buying any of the LY300 Manticores that fired those cruise missiles? I have the write up being checked as we speak, but I haven't posted it for purchase yet. Interested at all?

VDB, your air attack seems like godmodding a bit. Unless Londim's capital city is say right on the coast, you can't just have 500 'air force planes' just fly over his nation and all the air defences below and attack his capital. Stealth bombers, maybe, but if you tried that on Hamilay, we're about the size of Russia and your planes would be swarmed by interceptors before you got halfway.

Yah, I should edit it. I'll just say the planes are taking off and firing missiles at the 3rd Fleet.

Makes sense. This war is supposed to take a while.
And Lyras, how much do the launchers cost? I may be interested.

At the moment they're planned on being sold at NS$7m a piece... But that may change. I hadn't (until I actually USED them, lol) realised how much firepower brigade, division and corps sized units of these things spit out.

But you wont have to worry. After the next RP *wink, wink* you'll have as many as you'll need for quite some time.

Uhm, I've sorta gotta complain about having the 3rd fleet blocking the Avisronian fleet. Unless that fleet is MASSIVE, of like 3000 ships AT LEAST (who were spread out to contain the Avisronians from the beginning,) You wouldn't be able to get in position to block the Avisronian fleet.

Also, in other news, school started back today. I'm in high school and taking a ton of college level classes, so I'm gonna be a bit slower. Despite by best efforts of staying awake via Red Bull, I'm very tired now. I MIGHT get in a post in a bit, but give me a tiny bit of time over the next few days.

Also, about this whole idea of Lyras invading Faxanavia, it's an interesting idea. Avisron would definitely get involved by throwing ungodly amounts of cash into a massive... MASSIVE insurgency. Y'know what would be awesome? If Avisron bought loads of those missiles and stationed them in Faxanavia and used them to put a dent in Lyras' navy...

The intent is that the invasion of Faxanavia will be a surprise. The first that anyone in the international community will know IC-ly will be when Faxanavia wakes up with Lyran tanks rolling through their streets and Lyran aircraft prowling their skies.

The Government will change. Then Lyras will depart. The new government will find itself flush with Lyran weaponry as well, in order to maintain order and prevent foreign aggression.

You can rebel and insurrect as much as feel you'd like to (if Faxanavia agrees, of course). But we won't be there to feel the effects. If Faxanavia wants to tear himself to pieces, that's up to him.

At the moment they're planned on being sold at NS$7m a piece... But that may change. I hadn't (until I actually USED them, lol) realised how much firepower brigade, division and corps sized units of these things spit out.

But you wont have to worry. After the next RP *wink, wink* you'll have as many as you'll need for quite some time.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to laugh maniacly (sp?).

Well, I think that what happens insurrection wise depends on how swiftly Lyras forces can get in, infiltrate, and leave. If people become aware of an inflitration of the government, they're gonna get riled up. You have to remeber, Faxanavia s not an incredibly stable country to bgin with. It's actually five countries assembled under one flag and one leader. Of course, Lyran control would be an excellent excuse for an assansination, or assasination attempt RP, allowing me to follow a logical progression from such a fractured country. Perhaps Printernavian assasins make an attempt on the Prime Minister's life, using the Lyran movements as an excuse, and claiming that he is a Lyran pawn.

That would be kinda interesting.

It would most likely be, from Lyras' standpoint, a fairly simple invasion. Almost clasical-era in its conceptualisation.

Invade. Overwhelming force. Decent treatment of civilians, who for the most part would be completely ignored. Blanket the country in personnel. Having captured senior government would then offer peace terms. Favourable ones, that essentially say "thou shalt desist". Then we nick off, and give you a whole bunch of stuff by way of saying "no hard feelings".

Of course, I'd imagine that the government would probably collapse, and then various factions may ask Lyras to come back in... that would indeed be interesting, come to think of it.

But, I don't think Faxanavia wants that, I mean come on. He/She's a newb!

That makes sense. To give you some ideas of numbers, Faxanavia has a growing population of 16 million. 1.5 million are in the Faxanavian army, but only about half a million are actively armed at this time, prepping to go to war. The people are not really overly armed, beyond the basic torch and pitchfork. Basically, if you can get your forces to the capital in Faxanavian territory, you've as good as won. Take the five leaders (I'll TM you a list), run up a peace treaty, drop off some weapons in exchange for our discontinuation, and whatever I do after, I do.

On the contrary VDB, I am interested in the deal. It will allow me to arm, as well as open me to new political grounds. I don't see a massive splintering, nothing so as to throw me into complete disarray, but enough so that maybe I can run an assanation RP, or possibly a terrorist group. My people are quite patriotic- they follow their government. I'm not gonna have a civil war, not unless something seriously bad happens.

Reference my last IC post...

General Archer knows that recon elements are out looking for his artillery. The area being defended by AA assets is empty, but prepped in such a way that it LOOKS like there are Manticores there. Incoming aircraft (and they should come in. They have no reason not to. As far as can be determined, that is the centre of a major artillery position) will push through defences, get mauled, drop bombs, report targets hit...

But the only vehicles under those camouflage nets are spray painted civilian vehicles, belonging to the Londimian Government. The actual launchers themselves are miles away, under EMCON (emissions control) and concealed from view.

Please note, this is an explanation. None of you LDC types know this IC...

faire enough. I'll edit my post.

http://photo.gangus.com/d/26788-2/ackbar.jpg

Couldn't resist. :p I've been busy tonight, so I may not post until tomorrow, sorry. Lyras, it looks like my B-3s fly above the range of your LY220 AA vehicles, and they're stealthed, so what's your plan for countering them?

Lyras, TG coming your way.

Intercept the munitions, if firing aircraft are unable to be engaged. Shepherd doubles nicely for that purpose.

I was hoping you wouldn't notice that...

However, your accuracy will suffer bombing from that far up, as it happens.

The B3 would probably be more interested in the artillery, than the AA that cant touch them...

Okay, gotcha. Looks like the only way to get this done at this point will be to run lots of sorties to clear out your artillery. Very slowly. Come to think of it, poor accuracy could be a benefit in this one situation, because I'd waste time bombing your dummy launchers (I'll be fooled for this first attack run) and inaccurate weapons would at least take out some AA on the side.

I am intending to target the artillery, but it's just nice to know I won't be shot at. :p

Um, anyone gonna comment on my complaints about the Avisronian fleet being blocked?

Also, Lyras, would you say that the majority of your missile systems are located outside the actual city, in the countryside?

Also, Lyras, would you say that the majority of your missile systems are located outside the actual city, in the countryside?

The majority, yes. There is the entirety of the 19th Army Group in the Huchnom area. That's 27 divisions... all of which have organic air defence assets.

The area is highly unpleasant for aircraft.

The problem isn't the anti-aircraft defenses. I have plenty of planes that can fly above the range they can efficiency be engaged at. The problem is finding the missiles...

The intent is that the invasion of Faxanavia will be a surprise. The first that anyone in the international community will know IC-ly will be when Faxanavia wakes up with Lyran tanks rolling through their streets and Lyran aircraft prowling their skies.

And how do you accomplish getting tanks into a staging area for the invasion without anyone noticing? Those aren't exactly things you can hide.

By Faxanavia's admission, most of his forces are in the Londimian theatre. Lyran assaults on his territory will be launched under cover of darkness, using LSTs, commando raids on airfields, blanket air cover, on multiple axes, etc.

By the time day dawns, the tanks will be on the ground, and most resistance would be already over. I'll email it to him first, so he can give the OK. I won't be godmodding it, fear not.

Faxanavia, can you telegram me your email? I'd like to send you the opening post for the invasion, for your authorisation or otherwise.

Is it possible for you to TG it to me? It makes life alot easier for me, if that's feasible for you.

Ah... no, actually. It's too long... NS wont let me send it over tg...

Open to other suggestions.

Okay. I'll TG you an e-mail. H/o

Yes I've been missing in action again. Yesterday was our results day and I passed so I'm going to university and I passed my driving test.

Anyway to address Avisrion:

ICly your ships are past the fleet and those that are being targetted are Hamilay as he startes pulling away after you.

Yes I've been missing in action again. Yesterday was our results day and I passed so I'm going to university and I passed my driving test.
Congratulations on passing!

Anyway to address Avisrion:

ICly your ships are past the fleet and those that are being targetted are Hamilay as he startes pulling away after you.

Thanks for clarifying. That works for me.

Congratulations on passing stuff, by the way.

I had to go sign up for come classes today. I spent the whole day doing paperwork. I'm technically a college student a junior in high school at the same time.

I'll get a post up in a bit.

New Avisronian naval offensive underway. I'd like to clarify that this offensive isn't suppose to be a quick strike type thing. It's a long term strategy.

Damn that long-term-ness. You and your irritating foresight.

Fax, the invasion post is up. Feel free to respond IC-ly at your pleasure.

Damn that long-term-ness. You and your irritating foresight.

Fax, the invasion post is up. Feel free to respond IC-ly at your pleasure.

Your big fancy missile batteries cannot fire on what they cannot see. They're effectively worthless until I decide otherwise. :)

Hey, how do those things work? I mean, RADAR wise. Do you have like, one radar station per X-number of batteries?

The missile batteries themselves have no radar. They are essentially cruise missile/artillery platforms. They can, however, fire the cruise missiles at targets identified by other force elements, and the missiles themselves DO have radar, which is activated by the missile when it gets close to the target.

Target uplink is achieved using the Cromwell system, which essentially means that any Lyran force element is instantly aware of any reconnaissance gathered by any other element. This makes things like cruise missile targetting a breeze... if you have something that can detect whatever it is you want to hit.

Check the links in my sig, under "Networking and Fire Control" if you want more info.

Can I sign up for this war?

You can ask. I've got no issues with it. It's up to Londim though, on the balance.

The missile batteries themselves have no radar. They are essentially cruise missile/artillery platforms. They can, however, fire the cruise missiles at targets identified by other force elements, and the missiles themselves DO have radar, which is activated by the missile when it gets close to the target.

Target uplink is achieved using the Cromwell system, which essentially means that any Lyran force element is instantly aware of any reconnaissance gathered by any other element. This makes things like cruise missile targetting a breeze... if you have something that can detect whatever it is you want to hit.

Check the links in my sig, under "Networking and Fire Control" if you want more info.

And what are you using to detect, in this instance?

In this instance, ie, towards you, nothing. I have no detection of your submarine fleet, at this stage.

For the surface fleets, yours and Hamilay's, I used a combination of Londimian fleet data and uplinked targetting telemetry from the Tsunami missile batteries.

Cromwell works by constantly updating its information, and so as the missiles closed, the would activate their onboard radars for end-stage targetting accuracy. Failing that, they'd switch to infra-red, EM-tracking or radar-based wake-homing.

Brukistan, I noticed that your last post in the IC thread talked about despatching your entire navy and airforce to the Londimian theatre. OOC-ly, would you object to a Lyran attack on Brukistan itself?

Of course, IC-ly I'm sure you would... but given the location of your entire navy and air force...

Uhm, Londim, I think there's a problem with your last post. Only a few sentences loaded.

Uhm, Londim, I think there's a problem with your last post. Only a few sentences loaded.

Yeah my computer died on me.

Okay, so, the nuclear exchange has been initiated. I don't know exactly what I plan to retaliate on, but I can guarantee that it will be roughly the same in scale as the attack against my spacecraft. So, are we going to go and start trading nuclear jabs back and forth, or will the Avisronian nuclear attack be the last installment?

swift heads up. I've started a thread based on the repercussions of Lyran invasion. Check it out here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536259

Okay, so, the nuclear exchange has been initiated. I don't know exactly what I plan to retaliate on, but I can guarantee that it will be roughly the same in scale as the attack against my spacecraft. So, are we going to go and start trading nuclear jabs back and forth, or will the Avisronian nuclear attack be the last installment?

A nuclear attak would probably the thing that ended this whole thing. Even in the whole NS World a war ending through nuclear strike is rare. Beware however that Londim would launch its nuclear missiles towards all LDC nations so really this topic needs be treaded lightly while we work out what should happen after the strikes. There wouldn't be any clear winner. Londim would rebuild and may have revenge in mind in the future.

I'm not going to carry out some big massive nuclear attack against every building in Londim. I'm just going to respond to the Lyran attack with the same amount of force.

I'm not going to carry out some big massive nuclear attack against every building in Londim. I'm just going to respond to the Lyran attack with the same amount of force.

Oh righty. Probably jabs against each other seems the better course.

I'd like to point out that the system is a DEFENSIVE anti-strategic weapon platform.

And that was the plan in the current Londimian conflict. The Avisronian military would slowly, methodically, strategically beat the Londimian society into the ground.



You can't honestly expect us to lie back and take hits from orbital craft, designed to cause massive damage to civilian infrastructure, without responding using anti-ballistic missile systems.

The fact that the exoatmospheric component of the system happens to use a 2Mt warhead is almost incidental. You, as a nation, have not been even vaguely affected.

Lets keep the steps in context.

I disagree that the targeting of industrial infrastructure is a "war crime." The attack isn't designed to cause civilian death; it's designed to reduce Londims WAR CAPABILITIES. That's different than bombing schools, etc.

Now, Londim, shouldn't your surface fleet be pretty well toast? It's facing overwhelming submerged firepower right now. By the time you get your submerged reinforcements in, there shouldn't be much left on the surface.

I think that, after my nuclear response, I'll have Avisron send a message to Londim and Lyras asking to agree to a banning of nuclear weapons.

I disagree that the targeting of industrial infrastructure is a "war crime." The attack isn't designed to cause civilian death; it's designed to reduce Londims WAR CAPABILITIES. That's different than bombing schools, etc.

Now, Londim, shouldn't your surface fleet be pretty well toast? It's facing overwhelming submerged firepower right now. By the time you get your submerged reinforcements in, there shouldn't be much left on the surface.

I think that, after my nuclear response, I'll have Avisron send a message to Londim and Lyras asking to agree to a banning of nuclear weapons.

Yeah basically that fleet is toast. What'll most likely happen now is a high density submarine patrol in the area to fight off further naval attacks.

Okay then. So do you care if I take some liberty with my next post? It would just be skipping ahead a few weeks so that the battle with the fleet ends and your submarines come in.

Okay then. So do you care if I take some liberty with my next post? It would just be skipping ahead a few weeks so that the battle with the fleet ends and your submarines come in.

Go for it. I was getting annoyed with that ongoing battle anyway :p

Yeah, this is more of a strategic RP anyway, not a tactical one. That whole thing was messing with the flow. :p

I'm happy to cease using defensive (lets remember it WAS defensive) nuclear-based anti-spacecraft weaponry, when you stop using weapons systems that we cannot respond to with anything else.

Would you ask the nation to cease using the only thing that stops its infrastructure from being reduced to rubble?

Bear in mind also that the use of the LY4072 missiles caused not a single Avrisonian civilian casualty. All killed were attacking Londimian soil.

Still, I'm happy to hear options about de-escalation.

Complaining about people using nukes in space based systems is retarded. The usual problems with using them in atmosphere (fallout, radiation) are more or less not an issue, and with no atmosphere, you have no blast wave.

I'm only complaining ICly, as 90% of other nations would. :rolleyes:

The thing is, Avisron isn't going to stop using its space based kinetic weapons, which are a key component to the entire military. And Avisron isn't going to stop responding TO nukes WITH nukes, either. I suppose I could just leave the kinetic weapons out of play for a few months ICly, and just say that they were being redesigned to be harder to detect from the ground. That COULD be done, and was only left off to save money, anyway. If you can't see many of them, you can't fire at them, if you don't fire nukes, I don't fire nukes, problem solved.

Oo secret containers. These should prove interesting.

Do I have a plan, or am I just playing mind games with you by making you wait to see what they are? :p

Do I have a plan, or am I just playing mind games with you by making you wait to see what they are? :p

Well since ICly I have no clue of them then I think plan unless you're just using the place as a rubbish dump :p

Submarine battle!

VDB, how'd you get men on the ground?

I thought I introduced that before. I had my air force set up a temporary base on the ground. So why can't I set up artillery and the like? Maybe even have some troops attack Londim by land? Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535046&page=7)

Oh, and I apologize for my non-existent RPing skills. I'm going to try to actually RP now.

I thought I introduced that before. I had my air force set up a temporary base on the ground. So why can't I set up artillery and the like? Maybe even have some troops attack Londim by land? Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535046&page=7)

Oh, and I apologize for my non-existent RPing skills. I'm going to try to actually RP now.

I never noticed he troops on the ground. The land was to well defended by the naval forces to allow landing fleets to get through and set up any base or for a plane to land successfully. Lyras's AA guns would've seen to that. If they are there then really your doomed. Your facing an army of 55 million soldiers on the ground not to mention the population itself. And the planse that seem to be heading to the capital are going to meet AA guns 100 miles out from the capital to shoot down any inbound enemy craft. This AA shield extends all the way back to the capital.

Ah, rightio, acknowledged. Will respond shortly then...

OK, then. Scratch all of those posts.

Just as a note, Londim, it is extremely wanky to consider every last member of your population as being willing and able to fight.

Just as a note, Londim, it is extremely wanky to consider every last member of your population as being willing and able to fight.

Okay the majority.There are rebel groups in the ntion. Iwas just typing that in a rush and should have mentioned it. However the majority have fallen for the propoganda they have been fed since birth.

Sorry for the delay, everyone. My damn internet has died on me, and I'm not sure when I can get it fixed. I may not be around for about a week at worst. Apologies.

Sorry for the delay, everyone. My damn internet has died on me, and I'm not sure when I can get it fixed. I may not be around for about a week at worst. Apologies.

No worries matey. So anyway hows this stalemat goingto be broken?

Who knows?

Well since ICly I have no clue of them then I think plan unless you're just using the place as a rubbish dump :p

OOC mindgames. :p

On that note, your new missiles are still not going to be able to hit many kinetic spikes, unless you start using nukes on a day to day basis. Something coming in that fast is just almost impossible to stop. With that said, expect some major developments from me in the near future.

The stalemate WILL be broken. Just don't expect for this RP to end quickly. :)

Okay the majority.There are rebel groups in the ntion. Iwas just typing that in a rush and should have mentioned it. However the majority have fallen for the propoganda they have been fed since birth.

Not even most. There are going to be people physically incapable of fighting, and there will be people who need to do stuff to keep the nation running, such as people working in hospitals, water treatment plants, power plants, et cetera, and people doing logistics work (driving trucks/trains, flying aircraft, et cetera). In addition, propaganda is no substitute for training.

Avisron, godrods re-enter at orbital velocities, but they're no faster than a re-entering ICBM. An ABM can certainly intercept one, provided it has good software.

Avisron, godrods re-enter at orbital velocities, but they're no faster than a re-entering ICBM. An ABM can certainly intercept one, provided it has good software.

But they present a much smaller target, and if they're launched from a stealthier vehicle, the ABM stations have much less warning time. Some can be intercepted, but I still say they're a tad more difficult to hit than a missile.

Would you consider nuclear-based defence against incoming kinetic spikes to be part of a nuclear exchange? I would think not, but I do wish to clarify.

Would you consider nuclear-based defence against incoming kinetic spikes to be part of a nuclear exchange? I would think not, but I do wish to clarify.

From an out of character perspective, no.

However, my nation will ICly look for ANY excuse to use nuclear weapons.

Hmmmmmm... ok. I will ponder that one...

But they present a much smaller target, and if they're launched from a stealthier vehicle, the ABM stations have much less warning time. Some can be intercepted, but I still say they're a tad more difficult to hit than a missile.

You can't stealth a satellite, really. It shows up too well both visually and on infrared.

You can't stealth a satellite, really. It shows up too well both visually and on infrared.

In the real world you'd be correct, but on NationStates there would be so much debris from destroyed things in orbit, hiding amongst that would be simple.