NationStates Jolt Archive

Enjoy, since I predict we'll have a lot of OOC chatter.

How did the UFAN get into this, and how do I get you out?

OOC: My fleet consists of:
5 Champion Class Supercarriers
4 Nimitz Class Carriers
25 Agamemnon Class Battleships
2 Tenacious Class Missile Cruisers
20 Ticonderoga Class Missile Cruisers
1 Illium Class Missile Cruiser
37 Zumwalt Class Stealth Missile Destroyers
32 Daring Class Air Defense Destroyers
2 Super Charlie Class Destroyers
2 Spruance Class Destroyers
32 Brandenburg Class Stealth ASW Frigates
5 Skate Class Frigate
5 La Fayette Class Frigates
12 Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarines
44 Allegro Class SSN
2 Virginia Class SSN
4 ASDS Advanced SEAL Delivery Systems
15 San Antonio Class Landing Ships
12 Safeguard Class Damage Control Ships
12 Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ships
12 Osprey Class Mine Hunters


Aircraft:
100 SH-60 Seahawk Helicopters (Blackhawk naval variant)
76 AH-64D Apache Longbow Helicopters
40 CH-46 Sea Knight Helicopters
20 CH-53 Super Stallion Helicopters
232 F/A 401 Birds of Prey
620 F-35 Lightning II’s
220 F-18E Super Hornets
200 F/A 15 Deacon
8 E-2C Hawkeyes

Landing forces consist of:
900,000 Marines
900,000 Army

I question Central Prestonia's ORBAT. 900,000 Marines 900,000 Soldiers and a large fleet for a june 07 nation. Is this possible?

I bought the ships in batches, and the military's at 2.5 million, slightly over 1%. My military budget can support the stuff, because most of the soldiers' equipment is domestically made by government-owned contractors. A big portion of the budget goes toward the navy.

I bought the ships in batches, and the military's at 2.5 million, slightly over 1%. My military budget can support the stuff, because most of the soldiers' equipment is domestically made by government-owned contractors. A big portion of the budget goes toward the navy.

Can you explain the 1.8 million soldiers/marines not including sailors and logistics?

How did the UFAN get into this, and how do I get you out?

UFAN likes me. :D

So they decided to help me out. And unless yall stop the invasion of me, there is 0 percent chance they leave. Even then they might not leave. Depends.

Can you explain the 1.8 million soldiers/marines not including sailors and logistics?
Come to think of it, that is high, I'll drop it to 1.2 million, 600k of each. That better?

I was going to make an OOC thread so good idea. Look at the moment this thing is ridiculous since Gens hasn't even responded yet.

UFAN likes me. :D

So they decided to help me out. And unless yall stop the invasion of me, there is 0 percent chance they leave. Even then they might not leave. Depends.

Let's make a deal. I have Undershi pull back, with a promise that Kampferian interests remain untouched, and your UFAN friends leave. What do you say.

Maybe you guys could stop the attack on the NPE period.

On another note, if we go throguh with this war then I really want Leafanistan out, he has no place and is impossible to reason with.

Let's make a deal. I have Undershi pull back, with a promise that Kampferian interests remain untouched, and your UFAN friends leave. What do you say.

Let me talk to V about it tommorow, and I will get back to you about it. Might need to add a few more incentives though. Even Toops knows your going down. :P anyways, ill TG him and hopefully see him on MSN or IRC tommorow and discuss it with him then. Also, if you have MSN, add me and we can discuss it.

Maybe you guys could stop the attack on the NPE period.

On another note, if we go throguh with this war then I really want Leafanistan out, he has no place and is impossible to reason with.

I'm pretty sure the answers are no and no.

OOC: This is not about being dragged into anything. This is about loyalty to allies. CP and I would do anythign to lend our allies a hand, it was only a matter of time before the UFAN entered the war anyway. This is how we decided to do it.


this was just too good to let go. Loyalty to allies? If you were loyal then your alliance would have said that in the declaration instead of "defending a member" as the reason for war. You declared war on a CA member. You have no right to join this war, and we have every right to retaliate and protect ours. Why? Your the aggressor, not us. This is just ridiculous. Its like the UFAN used this conflict as kind of a scapegoat to join this war and show how "strong" you are. Yeah youll show it, with all the bandwagon.

Well me and CP personally just don't like the CA and we couldn't sit by and do notihng while they attacked our allies. We aren't strong enoguh to go after anyone big so we picked Gens, who was weak and defenseless following his defeat in the war against Lord Sumguy.

this was just too good to let go. Loyalty to allies? If you were loyal then your alliance would have said that in the declaration instead of "defending a member" as the reason for war. You declared war on a CA member. You have no right to join this war, and we have every right to retaliate and protect ours. Why? Your the aggressor, not us. This is just ridiculous. Its like the UFAN used this conflict as kind of a scapegoat to join this war and show how "strong" you are. Yeah youll show it, with all the bandwagon.

You bring up a good point, but this conflict could easily be stopped if everyone would be away their toys (guns). I think a war between two alliances is way too big and will result in some sort of use of WMDs.

Well me and CP personally just don't like the CA and we couldn't sit by and do notihng while they attacked our allies. We aren't strong enoguh to go after anyone big so we picked Gens, who was weak and defenseless following his defeat in the war against Lord Sumguy.

That is just wrong and doesn't fit in with the ideals of UFAN. I thought UFAN was a peace loving alliance 'cause thats why I rp GH joining it.

Actually naval weaponry normally has more range than land-based, which can easily engage anything over the horizon.

And naval weaponry is far more fearsome than land based types, since it takes more to sink a ship than to take out a tank...

Well, if I build somekind of fortifications on coast to repel enemy navy I definitely will not use anti-tank guns there, I will use there some really huge coastal defence batteries. And its fully possible to have coastal defence guns which can outgun any ship, just you cant surround all your nation with these(unless your coastline is very short), only few more importnant areas(like major ports).

Aye....My coast doesnt have a sea wall, but it has good defenses on it. I have huge railguns and anti-ship missiles which has a range over 150 miles, and i also got tomahawks, so thats 2500km range there. Though, i am dissapointed that you are using artillery and MLRS....just use anti0ship missile emplacements or something. Buy them! EAI sells them, and UMG does too. Also, i am really not happy about you using nukes.....this was supposed to be conventional.....

Also, i am really not happy about you using nukes.....this was supposed to be conventional.....

Technically they'd act like NDBs, but whatever. Still a bad move though, as he can now retaliate.

Also, the part about the sub before launch can't be SIC. If he wanted, he could ping it, and it'd show up.

This idiot has just started a nuclear war when we were at a ceasefire. He can kiss his ass goodbye for all I care. He thinks i won't know about it ICly til later, hey idiot, mushroom cloud!

Well me and CP personally just don't like the CA and we couldn't sit by and do notihng while they attacked our allies. We aren't strong enoguh to go after anyone big so we picked Gens, who was weak and defenseless following his defeat in the war against Lord Sumguy.

Weak and defenseless? Dood, I just sent in my airforce.

Technically they'd act like NDBs, but whatever. Still a bad move though, as he can now retaliate.

Also, the part about the sub before launch can't be SIC. If he wanted, he could ping it, and it'd show up.

There are many ways for subs to avoid getting un detected. SONAR basically looks for something and then comes back with the bleep. The sub makes noises. I believe there are some countermeasures that can avoid this.

This idiot has just started a nuclear war when we were at a ceasefire. He can kiss his ass goodbye for all I care. He thinks i won't know about it ICly til later, hey idiot, mushroom cloud!

Clouds tend to have difficulty forming underwater, to say the least.

There are many ways for subs to avoid getting un detected. SONAR basically looks for something and then comes back with the bleep. The sub makes noises. I believe there are some countermeasures that can avoid this.

Still, the noise from the launch would be picked up by any passive sonar, underwater or not.

Still, the noise from the launch would be picked up by any passive sonar, underwater or not.

Sure, but they'd have all of about 10 seconds to do something about it.

Sure, but they'd have all of about 10 seconds to do something about it.

They could still fire torpedoes while they're being attacked. Expect your sub to sink.

They could still fire torpedoes while they're being attacked. Expect your sub to sink.

Oh no! I'm gonna lose one sub to...an ENTIRE FRIGGEN FLEET! IT'S SUCH A LOSS FOR ME! :(

I'm concerned with your seawall Gens.I need specifics: how tall, how thick, what's it defended by, etc. Since I plan to put troops on the ground, the wall's my main target.

Weak and defenseless? Dood, I just sent in my airforce.

OOC: your airforce and about a quarter of your army, which are the strongest branches of your military. Your Air Force was crippled in the attack, as i downed nearly a thousand planes.

OOC: Oh and please don't try any fo your godmoding crap if we actuall fight. I couldn't stand reading it when you were fighting Sumguy.

OOC: it was no picnic for me either.. Anyways since my nation is apparently only a helicopter flight away from Gens Romae, feel free to house troops there until you breach their defences. Also, is it alright if i get the AL involved in this?

Oh no! I'm gonna lose one sub to...an ENTIRE FRIGGEN FLEET! IT'S SUCH A LOSS FOR ME! :(

You made the sub sound valuable enough. I'm about ready to sink it myself and sod all this.

ok im seriously unhappy about the usage of nucelar weapons. Gens, your nuclear attack was neither authorized or justified, and it just killed whatever reputation you had. I am thinking of pulling out...Seriously....what the #$!?

I'm concerned with your seawall Gens.I need specifics: how tall, how thick, what's it defended by, etc. Since I plan to put troops on the ground, the wall's my main target.

Go to my freewebs page. It's tall enough to defend my bunker system and those gaurding the wall, it's defended by the coast gaurd, and it's thick enough to sustain a seaborn artillery shelling. That said, it doesn't matter either way.

There is a 50 kilometer no man's land in which I am going to be blasting your ships without fear of retaliation. Just tell me when you are 90 km away, unless of course you are using missiles, at which point I'll be more than happy to use conventional ICBMs. :)

I'm concerned with your seawall Gens.I need specifics: how tall, how thick, what's it defended by, etc. Since I plan to put troops on the ground, the wall's my main target.

He already explained it in the main thread...

Also, is it alright if i get the AL involved in this?

Please don't. You're supposed to have neutrality, and that should extend OOCly.

But really I don't want this to become a dogpile. We've got enough problems on our hands.

And I did say please.

ok im seriously unhappy about the usage of nucelar weapons. Gens, your nuclear attack was neither authorized or justified, and it just killed whatever reputation you had. I am thinking of pulling out...Seriously....what the #$!?

Hey, Maldorians, what do you think?

ok im seriously unhappy about the usage of nucelar weapons. Gens, your nuclear attack was neither authorized or justified, and it just killed whatever reputation you had. I am thinking of pulling out...Seriously....what the #$!?

Well, Akimonad had a ceasefire with BL, you couldn't touch BL, and Neo was still arriving, so he had no defense against BL. It was either that or nothing...>_<

ATTN: UFAN Members - According to the UFAN Charter- the use of Nuclear, Chemical, and Bioloogical Weapons is now authorized against Gens Romae.

Ya brought it upon yourself, Gens.

Well, Akimonad had a ceasefire with BL, you couldn't touch BL, and Neo was still arriving, so he had no defense against BL. It was either that or nothing...>_<

Coulda just fired off a bunch of Tomahawks and torpedoes.

Please don't. You're supposed to have neutrality, and that should extend OOCly.

But really I don't want this to become a dogpile. We've got enough problems on our hands.

And I did say please.

The AL is international, and holds no alliegance to any nation or alliance. It's a privately operated army/charity organization. The deal was that the Hegemony and my government would be neutral, it didn't apply to organizations/forces that were not a part of the Hegemony or controlled by my government.

ATTN: UFAN Members - According to the UFAN Charter- the use of Nuclear, Chemical, and Bioloogical Weapons is now authorized against Gens Romae.

Ya brought it upon yourself, Gens.

Just an improbable possibility, but what if Gens changes it to something nonnuclear?

Coulda just fired off a bunch of Tomahawks and torpedoes.

That would not have downed their entire fleet in one fell swoop without fear of retaliation.

The AL is international, and holds no alliegance to any nation or alliance. It's a privately operated army/charity organization. The deal was that the Hegemony and my government would be neutral, it didn't apply to organizations/forces that were not a part of the Hegemony or controlled by my government.

I know, but buy using them, you're asking for it. Not from me, though, but the CA as a whole.

But anyway, please don't.

well great. Now were going to fight 3 alliances? THanks Gens...Your nukfest brought us another alliance to fight.

That would not have downed their entire fleet in one fell swoop without fear of retaliation.

Of course, because BL isn't going to notice when they lose communications with an entire fleet, and all of their satellites will be looking at other parts of the earth when the huge explosion happens....


I know, but buy using them, you're asking for it. Not from me, though, but the CA as a whole.
But anyway, please don't.

OOC: fine, because you asked nicely.

That would not have downed their entire fleet in one fell swoop without fear of retaliation.

ATTN: UFAN Members - According to the UFAN Charter- the use of Nuclear, Chemical, and Bioloogical Weapons is now authorized against Gens Romae.

Ya brought it upon yourself, Gens.

Do you fear retaliation now, bucko? Fix it or I'm leaving and asking you to be ejected from the CA. You've enabled the whole war to be nuclear now.

Just an improbable possibility, but what if Gens changes it to something nonnuclear?

Then it is not authorized.

As of now, it is only authorized against Gens. According to the UFAN charter, WMD's can only be used in retaliation. If Gens keeps the n00ks, there WILL be retaliation.

That would not have downed their entire fleet in one fell swoop without fear of retaliation.

ATTN: UFAN Members - According to the UFAN Charter- the use of Nuclear, Chemical, and Bioloogical Weapons is now authorized against Gens Romae.

Ya brought it upon yourself, Gens.

Do you fear retaliation now, bucko? Fix it or I'm leaving and asking you to be ejected from the CA. You've enabled the whole war to be nuclear now.

Of course, because BL isn't going to notice when they lose communications with an entire fleet, and all of their satellites will be looking at other parts of the earth when the huge explosion happens....

Look, my friend, you should be thanking me. I have just destroyed an entire British Londinium fleet, who, if you haven't noticed, hitherto has been our enemy. I have, in essence, performed a crushing blow against the same. Now, my friend, what you should do is stop complaining, and invade their asses.

Do you fear retaliation now, bucko? Fix it or I'm leaving and asking you to be ejected from the CA. You've enabled the whole war to be nuclear now.

Maldorians supported my nuclear launch pubically. Maldorians has been in the CA a whole hell of a lot longer than you have.

Then it is not authorized.

As of now, it is only authorized against Gens. According to the UFAN charter, WMD's can only be used in retaliation. If Gens keeps the n00ks, there WILL be retaliation.

I might just rid BL of the problem with some new torpedoes. Obviously they'd still have been (grammar eww) fired, though.

Maldorians supported my nuclear launch pubically. Maldorians has been in the CA a whole hell of a lot longer than you have.

And you've just launched the first strike as a CA nation. A blemish upon all of us.

Look, my friend, you should be thanking me. I have just destroyed an entire British Londinium fleet, who, if you haven't noticed, hitherto has been our enemy. I have, in essence, performed a crushing blow against the same. Now, my friend, what you should do is stop complaining, and invade their asses.

ha! my nation isn't quite as oppurtunistic and ruthless as yours, my friend. BL was my enemy, but is no longer.

Kampfers, read your own damned charter.

First and foremost, British Londinium isn't a UFAN nation.

Secondly, my launch technically doesn't meet the definition of your charter, since it didn't have the capacity to kill indiscriminately. It was specifically against a hard target, and couldn't have conceivably harmed anyone else.

Thirdly, my launch wasn't against a nation, and therefore not against a member generally speaking. It was against an agressive fleet, and further more in self defense.

Do you fear retaliation now, bucko? Fix it or I'm leaving and asking you to be ejected from the CA. You've enabled the whole war to be nuclear now.

Akimonad, STOP IT. You are in no position to make idle threats.


@Kampfers: BL is NOT in the UFAN. Gens hit BL...;)

@Kampfers: BL is NOT in the UFAN. Gens hit BL...;)

BL IS in UFAN. I remember, because I drafted the plan for his admittance. Once again, you attempt to prove me wrong. Pathetic.

Akimonad, STOP IT. You are in no position to make idle threats.


@Kampfers: BL is NOT in the UFAN. Gens hit BL...

I'm not making idle threats. I'm done here.

And BL is in the UFAN.

Hey idiots, BL is in the UFAN and has been since before the war began. If you really don't believe me go check out the UFAN thread.

When I first read that post I considered nuking Gens Romae capital immediately, but then I realized I would be stealing revenge from BL. If BL decides to erase your nation from map with massive retaliation I will support him with my nukes.

Kampfers, read your own damned charter.

Watch your language, bucko

First and foremost, British Londinium isn't a UFAN nation.

Yes he is

Secondly, my launch technically doesn't meet the definition of your charter, since it didn't have the capacity to kill indiscriminately. It was specifically against a hard target, and couldn't have conceivably harmed anyone else.

It doesn't matter, it was a nuclear launch, it counts

Thirdly, my launch wasn't against a nation, and therefore not against a member generally speaking. It was against an agressive fleet, and further more in self defense.

What do you mean it wasnt against a nation? Don't those fleets belong to a nation? Sorry buddy, prepare to be n00ked.

.

Well then, Gens other two points remain valid.

-snip-

Go ahead and nuke him; I won't stop you.

Gens, you get what you deserve, in my sight.

If it makes you feel any better Gens, I'll help rebuild and provide food+medical supplies for whoever survives.

Mal, AIM, Now.

I am on AIM...>_<

The worse part of this is the fact that we were at a ceasefire. We were trying to bring peace and Gens knew it.

It doesn't matter, it was a nuclear launch, it counts

I repeat, read your charter.

What do you mean it wasnt against a nation? Don't those fleets belong to a nation? Sorry buddy, prepare to be n00ked.

Again, read your charter. Being property of a nation is not the same as being the nation itself.

I am on AIM...>_<

Well, I don't see you.

I gotta leave anyway.

The worse part of this is the fact that we were at a ceasefire. We were trying to bring peace and Gens knew it.

You should take the Hataria claim off you sig. ;) Anything having to do with it will be deleted....

Why would you want peace when you JUST declared war on him? AND, British Londinium had NO intention on having peace talks. Gens didn't attack you, he attacked BL!

I repeat, read your charter.



Again, read your charter. Being property of a nation is not the same as being the nation itself.

So let's get Vetaka in here. He's the head guy, he'll decide.

Though I'm not putting him up to anything.

Let me put this here to clear a few things up for Gens.

the Deployment of Weapons of Mass Destruction of any kind or variety can be utilized by any UFAN Member state in the following circumstances:

a) If a UFAN Member is struck first with WMD. Destruction is not a requirement the meare launch of a WMD at a UFAN Member will be considered the same as if a launched WMD hits its target.

d) The deployment of WMD against Economic and Civilian Assets is advised against however should such assets be used to logistically support Military Forces of which will be deployed against UFAN Members then WMD is an option for the UFAN Member. Examples of this would be if a Civilian Airport was to be used to prepare an Airborne Invasion of a UFAN Member State WMD Deployment against that Airport would be an option. Other examples include Ports for Naval Mobilization, Economic Hubs and Internal Transport Links such as Roads, Railways and if required Waterways. Sub-Article (d) should only be used if the deployment of WMD is absolute in the surivial of a UFAN Nations Civilian population and Large Scale Military Forces.

As long as we don't glass you, we can and will nuke you. I'll let BL start it off, as revenge is always the sweetest.

What the hell is this about? Someone launches a tac nuke and all the sudden you are wanting to launch a full strategic strike? Why the hell does everyone always insist on going OMGWTFGLASSHIM whenever they read the word nuke? A tac nuke is not a WMD, that's why it's a 'tactical' weapon and not a 'strategic' one :rolleyes:

If someone goes and launches a full out ICBM strike against Gens Romae because of this, I will respond and I'm sure others will too. Then your allies will respond, mine (including non-CA allies which I have mutual nuclear defense treaties with) will respond back, and the RP goes to fuck. Tac nuke him back if you are so desperate, but please don't start a strategic exchange.

The Hatarian claim is there just in case. Who knows, maybe I'll replace it with a colony in Gens Romae.

Your leader, BC, asked for peace. There was a ceasefire and Kampfers promised to talk to Vetaka to sort this out, see if we really wanted to end it. Either way there was a ceasefire.

What the hell is this about? Someone launches a tac nuke and all the sudden you are wanting to launch a full strategic strike? Why the hell does everyone always insist on going OMGWTFGLASSHIM whenever they read the word nuke? A tac nuke is not a WMD, that's why it's a 'tactical' weapon and not a 'strategic' one :rolleyes:

If someone goes and launches a full out ICBM strike against Gens Romae because of this, I will respond and I'm sure others will too. Then your allies will respond, mine (including non-CA allies which I have mutual nuclear defense treaties with) will respond back, and the RP goes to fuck. Tac nuke him back if you are so desperate, but please don't start a strategic exchange.

XD

It was basically Akimonad who went haywire...Just take it easy. Breathe in, breathe out...*runs off*

you know what Gens? your lucky. I dont take commitments lightly, so i will still fight with you...Well i guess then the ceasefire is dead? I will commence attack then.

The Hatarian claim is there just in case. Who knows, maybe I'll replace it with a colony in Gens Romae.

Your leader, BC, asked for peace. There was a ceasefire and Kampfers promised to talk to Vetaka to sort this out, see if we really wanted to end it. Either way there was a ceasefire.

Just In case? Delete it...>_<

Grr fine.

Hey no commencing any attacks until we fix this mess.

you know what Gens? your lucky. I dont take commitments lightly, so i will still fight with you...Well i guess then the ceasefire is dead? I will commence attack then.

Awesome. I already took out BL's fleet...so you go ahead and nuke Aurum's fleet.

XD

It was basically Akimonad who went haywire...Just take it easy. Breathe in, breathe out...*runs off*

Yeah, easy. Got annoyed there for a bit as I don't want to ignore this whole RP (haven't even got to my part in it yet), which would be the probable way the whole thing would go if someone went and glassed him.

Retaliating in kind (ie, tac-nuking one of his fleets) is OK by me. Lob tacs at each other all you want. Just don't go ICBMing people's major cities.

no....Im not using nukes. Conventional FTW

If you nuke my fleet your country will be glassed, UFAN charter or not. I called a ceasefire and it will be obeyed.

Yeah, easy. Got annoyed there for a bit as I don't want to ignore this whole RP (haven't even got to my part in it yet), which would be the probable way the whole thing would go if someone went and glassed him.

Retaliating in kind (ie, tac-nuking one of his fleets) is OK by me. Lob tacs at each other all you want. Just don't go ICBMing people's major cities.

That reminds me, GR's huge sea-wall wouldn't last very long against a tactical nuke or two...

That reminds me, GR's huge sea-wall wouldn't last very long against a tactical nuke or two...

Probably not. However, I wouldn't mind tac nuking an invading force. >.O

Probably not. However, I wouldn't mind tac nuking an invading force. >.O

....did you just assert that your wall could take a nuke? That is completely unrealistic.

Tactical nuke or not, it is still a nuke. I will leave it up to BL on what he wants to do, but if he decides to ICBM Gens, as long as he doesn't glass Gens, I won't kick him from UFAN.

Kampfers what do I do? I thought you and BC were working something out to end this.

Hell yea, response can be tactical, by nuking his sea wall, as its long(all around his Italy shaped territory) few thousand nukes will be needed to eliminate it. Of course that would turn all his coast to nuclear wasteland but that would be marked as "collateral damage".

Kampfers what do I do? I thought you and BC were working something out to end this.

BC isn't on, and neither is V. I am working on something, but it depends.

....did you just assert that your wall could take a nuke? That is completely unrealistic.

The entire wall could take a nuke. It's a very long wall. Granted, the area nuked would probably fall, but the entire wall would probably remain standing.

Ok, do whatever you have to.

Oh and I just had an idea, wouldn't an underwater nuclear explosion trigger a tsunami that would hit Gens Romae and the rest of the fleets around it?

The entire wall could take a nuke. It's a very long wall. Granted, the area nuked would probably fall, but the entire wall would probably remain standing.

oh, i was reffering to breaching the wall, not destroying the entire thing.

Ok, do whatever you have to.

Oh and I just had an idea, wouldn't an underwater nuclear explosion trigger a tsunami that would hit Gens Romae and the rest of the fleets around it?

That's a good point. Thank God for that sea wall...but it appears as though your fleets are screwed, man.

Ok, do whatever you have to.

Oh and I just had an idea, wouldn't an underwater nuclear explosion trigger a tsunami that would hit Gens Romae and the rest of the fleets around it?

Not unless it was a ridiculously (like, RIDICULOUSLY) powerful bomb. Look up Event Baker (in Operation Crossroads) for a little info on the effects of underwater nuclear explosions.

Well, since we have permission to go hot, I think I'll fire a few ballistic missiles at the seawall via my ballistic missile subs. Before I commence my attack though, I want clearance from Kampfers. Does an SRBM strike against a seawall count as tactical?

Whats the status of our fleets if a nuke went off underwater just a little bit away from them?

Never mind. I'm not out of here so soon.

Though I still don't approve of Gens' actions, he can't stand alone for long.

And, please, no glassing.

Whats the status of our fleets if a nuke went off underwater just a little bit away from them?

Like how far? The water would hinder the explosive a bit.

Of course, that also depends on the amount of explosive. Are we talking kilotons or megatons?

I guess that's Gens' decision.

Oh, silly Gens Romæ. I'm going to miss your nation. Too bad I'm going to pound it into radioactive dust.

Never mind. I'm not out of here so soon.

Though I still don't approve of Gens' actions, he can't stand alone for long.

And, please, no glassing.

Unless you were extremely close (<~10 nautical miles), you should be fine or receive only minor damage.

Oh, but, come to think of it, do you know how extremely unlikely it is that any submarine in the vicinity would go un-noticed? My navy is one of the finest in the world - it has to be, considering BL's geography. I'm extremely tempted to just ignore that and save Gens a glassing.

Unless you were extremely close (<~10 nautical miles), you should be fine or receive only minor damage.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.

Perhaps I'll make a half-hearted attempt at shooting down some of the nukes. Perhaps.

Oh, but, come to think of it, do you know how extremely unlikely it is that any submarine in the vicinity would go un-noticed? My navy is one of the finest in the world - it has to be, considering BL's geography. I'm extremely tempted to just ignore that and save Gens a glassing.

Point I made earlier.

But I'll elaborate. Consider your sub is dead silent, and, by some stroke of tech, has a coating that absorbs sonar. The sub is pinged at, and the coating absorbs the sonar. Wouldn't the sonar notice that there's a large sub-sized space of absolutely nothing in the water?

WTF?! Can someone update me as to what is happening? I only need to know who is invading who. Thats about it. Thanks. No, I'm not joining this "war" unless one, someone invades a UFAN member or two, UFAN convinces me that I should join, but if I can tell the truth. The IC thread looks like (with respect to the rp'ers) shit. Maybe you guys should make a new one and stop posting OOC in it.

Point I made earlier.

But I'll elaborate. Consider your sub is dead silent, and, by some stroke of tech, has a coating that absorbs sonar. The sub is pinged at, and the coating absorbs the sonar. Wouldn't the sonar notice that there's a large sub-sized space of absolutely nothing in the water?

Precisely. There is absolutely no way, considering the huge presence of anti-sub tech at my disposal, a sub, even going perfectly quiet, can go unnoticed. So do I bother to RP his nukes?

Oh, but, come to think of it, do you know how extremely unlikely it is that any submarine in the vicinity would go un-noticed? My navy is one of the finest in the world - it has to be, considering BL's geography. I'm extremely tempted to just ignore that and save Gens a glassing.

now you see what i had to deal with...

Oh, but, come to think of it, do you know how extremely unlikely it is that any submarine in the vicinity would go un-noticed? My navy is one of the finest in the world - it has to be, considering BL's geography. I'm extremely tempted to just ignore that and save Gens a glassing.



>_< I doubt that...Your nation's navy may be capable of attacking small, newbie nations, but that doesn't it make it one of the finest...:P

WTF?! Can someone update me as to what is happening? I only need to know who is invading who. Thats about it. Thanks. No, I'm not joining this "war" unless one, someone invades a UFAN member or two, UFAN convinces me that I should join, but if I can tell the truth. The IC thread looks like (with respect to the rp'ers) shit. Maybe you guys should make a new one and stop posting OOC in it.

Christ man. Did you not read the UFAN thread? I AM BEING INVADED!

>_< I doubt that...Your nation's navy may be capable of attacking small, newbie nations, but that doesn't it make it one of the finest...:P

You know what I mean. It isn't some shitty brown-water navy. It's extremely advanced and experienced, that's what I meant.

Precisely. There is absolutely no way, considering the huge presence of anti-sub tech at my disposal, a sub, even going perfectly quiet, can go unnoticed. So do I bother to RP his nukes?

You could always drop countermeasures that make a whole lot of noise, considering the NDBs are likely sonar guided.

That, or fire some fancy-pants anti-torpedo missiles.

now you see what i had to deal with...

What?

Christ man. Did you not read the UFAN thread? I AM BEING INVADED!

All I have read thus far is Aurum Domus and Central Prestonia invading someone I have never seen before. BL getting nuke'd and a lot of other stuff that is mostly OOC in a IC thread. What is going on people?! The confusion hurts my brain! :( Who is invading you anyway?

What?

I had to fight him off and deal with many such improbable assumptions

All I have read thus far is Aurum Domus and Central Prestonia invading someone I have never seen before. BL getting nuke'd and a lot of other stuff that is mostly OOC in a IC thread. What is going on people?! The confusion hurts my brain! :( Who is invading you anyway?

Basically, New Prussian Empire (incl. Kampfers) attacked the Corporate Alliance, starting this whole thing. We counterattack, they decide that maybe this wasn't the best idea and start calling in other alliances, and here we are.

I had to fight him off and deal with many such improbable assumptions

He's new(ish). Cut him a little slack.

That said, I'm not saying blindly accept everything either.

Basically, New Prussian Empire (incl. Kampfers) attacked the Corporate Alliance, starting this whole thing. We counterattack, they decide that maybe this wasn't the best idea and start calling in other alliances, and here we are.

Kampfers is this true? If it is it won't matter. Green Hawk IC'ly has no clue as to what is happening in this conflict and if you can do the right stuff IC'ly then your going to have GH as a supporter. Guess I should lower the defcon level to two.

Very well. I'm not going to bitch about this. We are going to allow the nuclear launch to be unsuccessful (however, don't be surprised when I respond in turn to other nuclear launches). However, I do want to know this:

How far away is everyone's navies?

It isn't some shitty brown-water navy.

Being a shitty brown-water navy, the Imperial Tartar Navy is offended. :p

ohhh, this war has "messy" written all over it...

Very well. I'm not going to bitch about this. We are going to allow the nuclear launch to be unsuccessful (however, don't be surprised when I respond in turn to other nuclear launches). However, I do want to know this:

How far away is everyone's navies?

You asked for fighters, so i sent a good amount of fighters for you. I also have 50 High Altitude Bombers(100,000ft high) flying around the clock just waiting for the order to unleash hell on the enemy fleet.

BL, do you have MSN?

No, just AIM.

No, just AIM.

Ah well, it doesn't matter anymore.

With the CA-UFAN treaty in the books, I'm gonna turn my fleet around and go home. Feel free to fight without me but I'm going to honor the treaty.