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TFC-64 'Armored Tiger' MBT

Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 02:00
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The TFC-64 was the first joint project initiated by the governments of Firehelper and Tigerlan. This tank, while an ambition project at first when initiated solely by firehelper, became even more ambitious with the introduction of Tigerlan into the project. Tigerlan’s large experience in the armored field would prove to be essential to the new tank as the specialized fields from Firehelper and Tigerlan combined to produce the new tank. The new tank, then known as a black project in EMI as the JTF-1, was originally an improvement over the tank known as the T-140. However after some deliberation the tank was started from scratch to incorporate new technologies into the new tank. The tank would come to include numerous advanced features such as Electric Reactive armor and a fire control system produced by tigerlan. The design of the tank took several years, but by the end of the project a advanced, battle capable tank was completed. This tank is now in use in the Fireheleper and Tigerlan Armies. It has recently been disclosed to the public and is on sale to other nations for a set price.

Armor
The primary armor of the tank is a classified amount of Chobham armor. This armor uses multiple layers of ceramics and steel to dissipate the energy of attacks on the tank. This armor is suited most against HEAT rounds used by many tanks and missiles. The armor is also effective against kinetic energy penetrators but not so much so as spaced armor. The armor also includes depleted uranium on the front to improve defense against frontal attacks by an enemy. To protect against splinters and fragments from a hit that punctured the hull of the tank the internal walls are covered with layers of Kevlar. This stops the white hot fragments that result from a good hit and increase the survivability of the crew.
The tank is equipped with one primary reactive armor system. This armor system is ElRA or Electric Reactive armor. The ElRA was only equipped after a request from fireheleper. The tank now has a layer of ElRA that doubles as spaced armor. This amor, designed by fireheleper with improvements from Tigerlan, uses two layers to act as a capacitor. These in turn will vaporize any object that breaks the small layer between the two. This works on shaped charges due to the fact that they shoot a copper jet to puncture the hull of a tank. This technology is also semi effective against large kinetic penetrators and fully effective against small kinetic penetrators. The tank may also have explosive reactive armor attacked to the tank on ceramic plates. The ERA and the ElRA will provide a almost impenetrable defense if both are used on a specific part of the tank.

Armament
The TFC-64 comes with a 155mm gun. This gun uses Electrothermal-chemical technology. This advanced technology has been a staple of Firehelper naval upgrades for several years and it was decided to include similar technology in the tank. Therefore, this gun not only fires large caliber rounds, but it fires such caliber rounds at a velocity higher than most other guns. The 155mm gun is smoothbore and can be equipped with APFSDS, HEAT, Gun launched missile, HESH and HE round. These rounds are normally equipped to the mission in theatres. The wide range of ammunition also allows for multiple types of missions with the same tank. The tank can carry a maximum of forty-two rounds
The tank also comes with 16 canister launchers. These launchers are normally equipped with White phosphorus smoke grenades that can obscure a tank or act as anti infantry weapons for infantry that attempt to plant charges on the tank.
The main secondary weapon of the tank are two .50 cal machine guns. These guns are located coaxially and on the top. They are normally used for anti-infantry purposes. However, the top gun can also be used by the commander as a light anti-aircraft gun against low flying helicopters. The coaxial gun hold 2,000 rounds and the top gun holds two hundred. The tank normally holds 2,000 rounds in storage leading to a total round count of 4,200 rounds.

Electronics
The tank contains an extensive array of electronics. Many of these systems are partly or fully shielded or have analog backups in the event of a nuclear attack. The primary computer in the tank is part of the Fire control system. This fire control system takes in multiple variables in order to achieve high accuracy. These variables include Barrel heat, barrel wear, lead angle, wind velocity, type of round, and speed of tank. The total number of variables used in firing solutions number over two dozen. The fire control system then takes these variables to come up with a firing solution. The fire control system will fire the gun when a lock is achieved. However, should the tank encounter bumps along the road the turret/ barrel may not adjust in time. To this end the tank’s Fire control system draws a box that the tank must be in order to fire. Should the tank not require the target in one second a new firing solution is acquired before firing. With this method the tank achieves over 90% accuracy at 4000 yards. The firing system has an analog backup.
The tank uses a laser range finder to determine the range of tanks. At max range the laser range finder has a accuracy of +/1 two yards (1.8 m).
While the fire control system is the main computer it is not the only one. There are also subsystems to detect NBC attacks, laser designators, and radar locks. These systems are all mounted in one package and will help make the tank safe for the crew inside by warning them of incoming attacks.

Engine
The TFC-64 uses a hybrid multi fuel engine. This engine, one of the few used in a tank uses a wankel engine to reduce the size of the multi-fuel engine by half. This in turn allows much room for a battery to be installed. This high capacity batter can run the operations of the tank for 200 miles. The tank can run entirely on electricity. However, in combat situations it is recommended to use the engine to provide additional power. The battery can run the tank in stealth mode, in the mode the tank is almost invisible acoustically until at close ranges. This can be used to quickly surprise an enemy garrison and gain the initial upper hand.

NBC protection
It is almost impossible to fully seal a tank. Therefore the only logical equipment to use is a positive pressure maintainer. This device supplied by Firehelper Biological and Chemical Technologies will maintain positive pressure in the tank even at full speed. This device is coupled to a air pressure sensor that will regulate the speed of the fan pushing air through the filter. With this technology the tank can endure NBC attacks unless a weapon punctures the hull.

Suspension
The TFC-64 uses TDI-S105 Hydropneumatic suspension. A torsion bar was not used due to the fact that its users preferred accuracy over more reliability. This system can more easily compensate for bumps in the road. With this the computer can more easily compensate for the bumps in on the move shooting. The hydropneumatic system more easily dampens all bumps through the use of compressed air and water.

Performance
The TFC-63 uses a V-12 multi-fuel engine. This engine, primarily run on diesel, has 2,500 horsepower. This provides the tank with a max speed of 49 mph or 79 kph. The tank can hold 400 us gallons giving it a max range of 700 mi or over 1000 km. The tank can scale objects over one meter high and can cross trenches three meters wide. It can ford unprepared a one meter stream. It can ford a 2.25 meter river. However, with a snorkel it can attain a maximum depth of 5 meters. The tank can also scale a 60 degree gradient or properly go down a 30 degree slope.

CREW
3 (commander, gunner, driver)

WEIGHTS
Combat 65,150 kg
Unloaded 63,800 kg
Ground pressure 11.80 lb/sq in (0.83 kg/cm sq)

PROPULSION
Engine Livtra (47.6-liter)
liquid-cooled, exhaust turbo-charged,
intercooled, 4-stroke prechamber, V-12 multi-
fuel engine
Gradient 60 percent
Side slope 30 percent
Power 2,500 hp
Fuel capacity 425 U.S. gal engine


Transmission Renk HSWL 354 automatic hydro-kinetic planetary gear shift; 4 forward/2 reverse gears
SUSPENSION
Type TDI-S105 Hydropneumatic
Shocks 5 rotary shock absorbers (bump travel 11.2-12.8
in/285-325 mm, rebound 5.5-7.9 in/140-200 mm)
with torsion bar, front idler
Wheels 7 road wheels, rear drive (11-tooth sprocket)
with 4 return rollers

PERFORMANCE
Speed
Engine
road 49 mph (79 kmh) max
reverse 25 mph (40 kmh) max
cross-country 41 mph (65 kmh) max
Range 560 mi cruising road

Obstacle
vertical 3 ft 7 in (1.10 m)
trench 9 ft 10 in (3.00 m)

Fording
unprepared 3 ft 3 in (1.00 m)
prepared 7 ft 5 in (2.25 m)
snorkel 13 ft 1 in (4.00 m)
Gradient 60 percent
Side slope 30 percent

WEAPONS
Main 1 x155-mm/88-cal smoothbore gun (FDI)C-155T
fitted with fume extractor and thermal sleeve
ammunition 28 rounds
elevation -9/+20 deg
elevation rate 10 deg/sec
traverse 360 deg
traverse rate 40 deg/sec
Coaxial 1 x .50 cal machine gun (MG)
Anti-aircraft 1 x .50 cal MG
ammunition 4,200 total .50 cal-mm rounds
elevation -10/+75 deg
Canister launcher 16 x 120mm

FIRE CONTROL
Ballistic computer
analog 4 ballistic profiles stored
digital Krupp-Atlas

SENSORS/ELECTRONICS
FOIR-12 Laser rangefinder
FBC-16 NBC detector

aiming electro-hydraulic slaved mounting system
(SMS) fully electro-hydraulically stabilized
binocular Krupp-Atlas primary stabilized
commander FOIMT-RT72 stabilized, fully rotating
monocular daytime optical
gunner FOIMT-G45 auxiliary telescope
Thermal imaging

PROTECTION
Armor Tigerlan Modular Chobham-type composite steel-ceramic; 4-
section steel track skirts with thickened
front section blow-off panels in turret bustle
Firehelper designed insulated Explosive reactive armor

Standard Armour Protection: (with ERA)
- Hull Glacias: 1800/2400mm
- Hull Front: 900mm/1100mm
- Hull Sides: 900mm/1400mm
- Hull Rear: 500mm/900mm
- Hull Top: 210mm/340mm
- Turret Front: 2200mm/3000mm
- Turret Top: 260mm/400mm
- Turret Sides: 900mm/1800mm
- Turret Rear: 400mm/1200mm
- Turret Mantlet: 2600mm/3400mm

NBC protection
FBC-CPF92 Filter
FBC-F42 Positive pressure maintainer


Production Price 7,000,000
Selling Price:8,500,000
DPR Price3,000,000,000

Currently Used In:
The Totalitarian Socialist State of Tigerlan
The Empire of Firehelper
The Binarian Empire
The Empire of Wanderjar
The Socialist Warlord Republic of Rammsteinburg.
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 02:06
DANTAG Industries wishes to purchase one
1010102
06-08-2007, 05:56
The Binarian Empire wishes to purchase domestic prouctions rights to TFC-64. The total comes out to 2 bllion USD to be wired upon conformation.
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 07:06
Order Confirmed, We hope you enjoy the Armored Tiger, Price marked down to 2 billion due to ally discount
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 08:25
Bump
Wanderjar
06-08-2007, 15:23
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Greetings our dear allies in the Totalitarian Socialist State of Tigerlan, The Empire of Wanderjar wishes to purchase the domestic production rights to your TFC-64 Main Battle Tank. For a good time we have been searching for an MBT to fill our needs and believe this to be the one.


Good day to you,


~Emperor Baker of the Empire of Wanderjar
Dostanuot Loj
06-08-2007, 16:11
OOC: Realisticly speaking here are a few things wrong with it.
1: Your engine is 2000 horse power over what it could possibly make. Cut that engine power down to 1800 horse power tops. Or simply double the size of it and cut it down to 3000 horse power.
2: Your range is absurdly high, bring it down to no more then 600 kilometers.
3: That gun is going to be too big, too heavy, and hard to load for minimal power increase.
4: Your actual armour thicknesses are absurd, cut them drastically.
5: Your weights are absurdly low, even if you cut your armour real thickness in half you still need to double that weight.

Try the NsDraftroom, they can help you with the details, and there are a number of great tutorials.
The NSDraftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?).
The PeoplesFreedom
06-08-2007, 22:15
Terribly sorry mate, but in order to compete with the terribly wanktastic tanks of NS and keep at least SOME realism, the stats stay as they are, Delete your post from my thread

What tanks have you been playing with? Trust me, he knows what he is talking about when it comes to tanks. Go to the Draftroom and get it sorted out and you should come up with a decent tank design. Additionally you can MSN me since I know at least some about tank design and I can help you out.
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 22:15
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Greetings our dear allies in the Totalitarian Socialist State of Tigerlan, The Empire of Wanderjar wishes to purchase the domestic production rights to your TFC-64 Main Battle Tank. For a good time we have been searching for an MBT to fill our needs and believe this to be the one.


Good day to you,


~Emperor Baker of the Empire of Wanderjar

Greetings my Friend! Order Confirmed, May the Armored Tiger serve you Well.
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 22:17
What tanks have you been playing with? Trust me, he knows what he is talking about when it comes to tanks. Go to the Draftroom and get it sorted out and you should come up with a decent tank design. Additionally you can MSN me since I know at least some about tank design and I can help you out.

Personally? Ive been playing with the twin 300mm Cannon DMG tanks
The PeoplesFreedom
06-08-2007, 22:18
Personally? Ive been playing with the twin 300mm Cannon DMG tanks

That's DMG. He cannot design for crap. If someone uses those tanks against you, call a godmode, cause thats exactly what they are. I used them before I learned.
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:20
FROM: DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

#OFFICIAL MESSAGE#

DANTAG Industries would like to know if you are interested in selling both the Production and Export Rights for your Tank

We can offer:[Billions]$20,700,000,000USD up front,which is of course negotiable

Thank You

Ernest Dantag,CEO DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION
1010102
06-08-2007, 22:21
Personally? Ive been playing with the twin 300mm Cannon DMG tanks

OOC: that doesn't mean NS tanks all like that. thats one one ship in a rolling sea of stupidity that are DMG products
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 22:21
Ah, I see where you all are complaining about, I accidentally kept allot of stuff I edited
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:27
Bump!!!
1010102
06-08-2007, 22:28
Bump!!!

OOC: its not even 10 minutes calm down.
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:30
OOC: its not even 10 minutes calm down.

I want him to answer me
1010102
06-08-2007, 22:32
I want him to answer me

OOC: hes not going to let you sell it for yourself, so drop.
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:36
OOC: hes not going to let you sell it for yourself, so drop.

Did i ask YOU anything?
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:37
i think he should be glad that i want to buy his tank,because most people are saying they will ignore it in a battle
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 22:56
i think he should be glad that i want to buy his tank,because most people are saying they will ignore it in a battle

They are making such claims because of my foolish forgetfulness to save edits, I will however not allow you to sell it as your own
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:57
They are making such claims because of my foolish forgetfulness to save edits, I will however not allow you to sell it as your own

I will up the stake 5,000,000,000 more,and it will still be negotiable
Smyrnag
06-08-2007, 22:59
FROM: DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

#OFFICIAL MESSAGE#

DANTAG Industries would like to know if you are interested in selling both the Production and for your Tank,in fact what we wish is to purchase your tank,and then upgrade it at DANTAG Industries factory,and then re sell it under a different name

We can offer:[Billions]$70,700,000,000USD up front,which is of course negotiable

Thank You

Ernest Dantag,CEO DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION
Tigerlan
06-08-2007, 23:09
FROM: DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

#OFFICIAL MESSAGE#

DANTAG Industries would like to know if you are interested in selling both the Production and for your Tank,in fact what we wish is to purchase your tank,and then upgrade it at DANTAG Industries factory,and then re sell it under a different name

We can offer:[Billions]$26,700,000,000USD up front,which is of course negotiable

Thank You

Ernest Dantag,CEO DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION


Negative, Order Refused
1010102
06-08-2007, 23:29
Upped

OOC: Drop it, he said no.
The PeoplesFreedom
06-08-2007, 23:32
Report it as spam?
1010102
06-08-2007, 23:34
Report it as spam?

OOC; good idea.
Dostanuot Loj
07-08-2007, 00:52
OOC: My only qualms with it now are still range, that either needs to be cut in half, or add something regarding external fuel tanks. And the engine. If you desperately want 2500 horse power, add 10L of displacement, and expect them to break down more often then vehicles like the Nakil (Which is the most common tank on NS) or even the Abrams. Add 15L to the engine and you're set.
Oh, and the weight. It needs 10,000kg added to it for those stats. There is otherwise no way you can get it so light.

I would much rather give you advice on how to make something realistic then have to stick you in with the other god moders, that kills any real fun on NS when I might otherwise have an RP with you through some future event.
Also, the NSDraftroom, is where the majority of NS tanks and equipment that get used by most active players get posted, and there you can see how NS wank tech really shapes up.

Edit: I just checked DMGs tanks. You're trying to have a main battle tank compete with a one thousand ton super heavy battle tank? There's no point there, that's like designing your kayaks to fight the Bismark. His MBTs are much closer to what is realistic, and I would suggest looking at them because they're right up the alley that this should be. Also my MCA-7 series and Mac's Nakil. The latter two being probably the most capable, realistic, and thought out tanks on NS.
The Far Echo Islands
07-08-2007, 02:51
OOC: My only qualms with it now are still range, that either needs to be cut in half, or add something regarding external fuel tanks. And the engine. If you desperately want 2500 horse power, add 10L of displacement, and expect them to break down more often then vehicles like the Nakil (Which is the most common tank on NS) or even the Abrams. Add 15L to the engine and you're set.
Oh, and the weight. It needs 10,000kg added to it for those stats. There is otherwise no way you can get it so light.

I would much rather give you advice on how to make something realistic then have to stick you in with the other god moders, that kills any real fun on NS when I might otherwise have an RP with you through some future event.
Also, the NSDraftroom, is where the majority of NS tanks and equipment that get used by most active players get posted, and there you can see how NS wank tech really shapes up.

Edit: I just checked DMGs tanks. You're trying to have a main battle tank compete with a one thousand ton super heavy battle tank? There's no point there, that's like designing your kayaks to fight the Bismark. His MBTs are much closer to what is realistic, and I would suggest looking at them because they're right up the alley that this should be. Also my MCA-7 series and Mac's Nakil. The latter two being probably the most capable, realistic, and thought out tanks on NS.

WTF, I'm getting frustrated with this crap 'bout DGM, one person says he's 'right up the alley" another says 'fuck him, he's an idiot.' Basically. What is the general opinion, or does in vary product to product?
Dostanuot Loj
07-08-2007, 03:20
OOC: It depends what you're looking at. Thgose 300mm dual gun tanks are not what you should take as a main battle tank, and if DMG or others use it as such then ignore them as godmoders. But DMG does have some realistic tanks for sale if you look below the wanked super heavy tanks that take up the two top slots on his storefront.
Tigerlan
07-08-2007, 03:26
mind taking a look now Loj?
Smyrnag
07-08-2007, 06:23
FROM: DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

#OFFICIAL MESSAGE#

DANTAG Industries would like to know if you are interested in selling both the Production and for your Tank,in fact what we wish is to purchase your tank,and then upgrade it at DANTAG Industries factory,and then re sell it under a different name

We can offer:[Billions]$72,700,000,000USD up front,which is of course negotiable

Thank You

Ernest Dantag,CEO DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION


UPPED
Smyrnag
07-08-2007, 06:38
Your being invaded, btw

Your so funny,mind telling me how BTW?
Smyrnag
07-08-2007, 07:06
Go, look, second page.

DonĀ“t see anything...
Smyrnag
07-08-2007, 07:11
Here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534898)

Already answered
Dostanuot Loj
07-08-2007, 16:52
mind taking a look now Loj?

Well, apart from realising you copied my armour stats perfectly from my MCA-7B, it doesn't look like you changed the really important things of range and weight.

Now don't get me wrong, I honestly don't care if you want to copy my outline for armour stats, or use the numbers, but you need to know that those numbers are strongly dependant on the design of the tank itself. You have to realise that the MCA-7B is designed specifically to be one of the heaviest main battle tanks around because it has to be, I have to use it in open fields and deserts where there is not a lot to hide behind. That's also why it weighs 80 tonnes, because that armour alone is massive. Using your image, which is pretty cool by the way, as a guide to your armour layout I'm going to have to say that to get equal protection your tank will have to weigh closer to 90 tonnes.
Again, don't take this the wrong way, your tank reminds me strongly of the Ariete or the newer Chinese tanks, which are nice and capable tanks. But they're not designed for heavy armour, they're designed more for mobility. Tactical and strategic mobility. I pretty much abandoned that concept, and I have a hard time deploying my tanks in anything but my own country because of it's design.

Now this is what I'm thinking your ammounts should be closer to, with your picture in mind and with an extra ten tonnes to your weight.

- Hull Glacias: 1800/2400mm
- Hull Front: 900mm/1100mm
- Hull Sides: 900mm/1400mm
- Hull Rear: 500mm/900mm
- Hull Top: 210mm/340mm
- Turret Front: 2200mm/3000mm
- Turret Top: 260mm/400mm
- Turret Sides: 900mm/1800mm
- Turret Rear: 400mm/1200mm
- Turret Mantlet: 2600mm/3400mm

That's a combat weight of roughly 65,000kg, which puts you on par with most MT NS grade tanks and keeps you good and mobile to exploit that armour. That's also assuming you make liberal use of ERA, which helps keep the weight down to a point, but your tank is still much better protected then the likes of the M1A2 Abrams.

Your range shouldn't exceed 600km, period. 550km is closer to realistic for the fuel ammount you have.

Wankel engines in a tank are a very very very bad idea. They do not ptovide the torque needed for lower RPM runs, and will break down twice as much as a more conventional engine for the same ammount of power.

42 rounds of 155mm ammunition is going to be a pain. Assuming simmilar dimensions to a Type 98, which it looks like in your image, then at best you'll be storing 28 rounds of 155mm ammunition.

Electric Reactive armor is also bad. It doesn't provide near the ammount of protection people want it to, and every experimental test so far has required a major external power source for a small charged test area. The Challenger 1 is still more heavily protected from all directions then the Warrior test vehicle with ELRA was from the direction of it's one charged plate test, while being in total the same weight (Warrior plus power source weighs more then the Challanger tank), take up less space, and have more internal space.

The batteries and electric motors required to move this vehicle 200km are going to take up twice the space of a conventional engine and transmission of the same power output.

Your 90% accuracy range for your fire control computer is over 3 times the range for the best fire control computers today. You may be able to hit a stationary target at that range while your tank is stationary as well, but while moving that range will be cut to less then 1500 yards. And to be that accurate, closer to 1000 yards.

I like the effort, and I like how you are trying to improve it. I honestly can't wait to see it finished, but like all new things it has problems. I spent months designing my tank, and I'm still not fully done. Mac spent even longer and he's already considering it obsolete. So rather then keep cluttering your thread here I would much prefer we move this to the likes of the Ns Draftroom, or to TGs.
Firehelper
07-08-2007, 17:48
abotu that electric armor you are wrong:

http://www.dstl.gov.uk/news_events/press/pr2002/01-07-02.php

that proves that it if feasible to run off of the engine.
Also that picture is mine.... based off of the challanger II not the type 98

Perosnally I have no idea what these armor things are so im not going to comment till I do some reaserch (that was tigerlan's part...
The engines were my idea, i did not know that such a high capasity battery would be so large. I think it would be best to remove that.

also the fire control system for the abrams tank is 90% at 4,400 yars with cirtian kinds of ammunition. Therefore the 4,000 i put (I wrote the articles at the top) is fesible and possible and can be used (yes i dais the same thing three times)

this post is sloppy by the way....
Dostanuot Loj
07-08-2007, 19:28
OOC: Sloppy posts are what we all make. It is the internetz afterall. Heh.

As for ELRA, yea I've read that. And a dozen other articles on it. You'll note they don't talk about protection in terms other then stopping an RPG7, which won't penetrate modern armoures very well, especially not tank armoures. You'll also notice nothing is said regarding the ability of ELRA to protect against KE threats, which is what is used by tanks to kill other tanks. Chobham is in fact much better at protecting against both types of warheads, and you are already using that. Considering it is completely useless against the rounds other tanks will fire at you, and that it's lower power uses that you can cite are for obsolete warhead designs, it's not exactly a good idea to put it on a tank. Normal ERA and Chobham is a much better approach. Especially with the likes of tandem warhead shaped charge rounds, which cut through ELRA like butter because ELRA requires a down time to charge capacitors, and that down time happens right after the first penetration. You'd have a lighter defensive system that would laugh off tandem warheads by simply using the newer ERA designs. The power needed to stop an RPG7 is quite minimal, the power needed to stop what is on NS is going to be huge, very very huge. And what you will not be stoping are KE rounds that will actually be shot at the tank by other tanks.

Yes, the Abrams can hit something 4400 yards away with the right munitions. Provided it's stationary, the target area is large enough, and the target is stationary. Thw write up implies that the tank can do this on the move, which the Abrams can not do. Once the Abrams starts moving, the faster the thing moves the shorter the range it can accurately hit something, to the point where in a battle ranges are effectivly reduced to 1000-1500 yards.

Edit: Firehelper, I noticed you have an account on the NSDraftroom, so I'm surprised you didn't post this there. I also have found a number of references to ELRA that you brought up there and then several people telling you what is wrong with it, and you just asking them not to debate the concept of the armour in a thread on the design.
Firehelper
07-08-2007, 19:49
OOC:
The use of the armor is only to improve the existing armor. If the armor will add around 10 tonnes of armor for the cost of three or four you might as well use it to increase the tank's survivability with less weight.
The armor will also act like a spaced plate and with that can also slightly multiply to use of this armor. This armor is similar to ERA however, since both ERA and ElRA can be used this in effect can defeat one tandem HEAT round. All that is needed from this armor is the ability to reduce an attack's strength so that the armor can take whatever power remains from the attack


NS draft room...... well see tigerlan wanted to post it so i let him so no draftroom thing..... yea that ended up unresolved I should post this there and decide if its feasible or not (well it is..... all my ElRA before this was on lighter vehicles so they needed it) on a tank..... yea Im going back to the draft room soon I have to get the approval for a corvette class ship.
Tigerlan
08-08-2007, 00:36
Fixed all of the problems you pointed out, Thank you


one reason I dont like the draft room is because Ive heard allot about people in there not being supportive or friendly
Kahanistan
08-08-2007, 20:19
Would that have been the old Draftroom or the new Draftroom?

You might want to redirect Smyrnag there, too. Once s/he learns to take criticism (something I admit is a weakness of my own), s/he or her/his next incarnation might have better luck here.

They never stay gone for long.