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Okay, here's a summary of everything so far:

Vetalian Allies (official name pending)

-Vetalia (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/Vetalia-1.jpg)
-New Manth
-The Warmaster
-Maldorians (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l182/maldorians/maldoriannation-1.png?t=1165973620)
-Red Tide (map under construction)
-Amazonian Beasts
-British Londinium (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3669/blmapdraftsvgzy7yt3.jpg)
-Steel and Fire (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/insanityisfreedom36/Steel_and_Fire1.png)

ViZion Allies
-ViZion (http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/mapafrica.JPG)
-Mondoth
-The Lone Alliance
-ANL (RL Mexico/Central America cities)
-Kanisov
-Cazelia
-Duneria
-DMG/Omni Sense (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/Omni-Sense/MapKey.jpg)
-Generic Empire

Partisans (in occupied regions, good character RP skills strongly suggested since this will all be small-unit action)

Vetalian Loyalists
-The PeoplesFreedom
-Dalnijrus

ViZion Loyalist Partisans
-Mondoth
-The Lone Alliance

Other (nationalist/independence/revolutionary movements against Vetalia and ViZion)
-Kampfers

Okay, here's the rough timetable for the next few days:

Sunday: I'll post the closed preliminary discussion thread for members and we'll start getting all the prelim stuff together (maps especially).
Monday: IC post announcing buildup of forces in Vetalian Cazelia and participant response
Tuesday: Invasion of Cazelia/Partisan Intros
Wednesday: Vetalian alliance officially formed (Char Meeting RP)
Thursday: Invasion of ViZion, war begins
Friday: War is now open to all members of the RP

Note: If you joined before I closed signups and are not on the list, notify me immediately so I can add you.

I, The PeoplesFreedom, and The Lone Alliance are RP mods since we all have enough free time to do it. If you are interested in doing some mod-type work, TG me.

Maps will be posted as a link underneath the name of involved nations. I'd ideally like to have my map, ViZion's map, and Cazelia's new map up by Tuesday and then have everyone else provide them as the RP moves on.

Also, we need names for the alliances. Suggestions are welcome.
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Here will be the overall calculations of the two sides (for reference and balance purposes):
Vetalian Allies
Total GDP: $935.42 trillion
Average GDP: $103.94 trillion
Total Population: 30.506 billion
Average Population: 3.390 billion

ViZionarian Allies
Total GDP: $970.32 trillion
Average GDP: $121.29 trillion
Total Population: 33.851 billion
Average Population: 4.231 billion

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And, of course:

General questions, comments, suggestions are always welcome. If you are not a part of this RP but are interested, talk to me, TPF, or TLA and we will see if it is possible to fit you in. However, this is highly unlikely because the number of nations involved is kind of at critical mass and too many more will make it overly complex.

Detailed Map (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/insanityisfreedom36/Steel_and_Fire1.png)
Where I am in comparison (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/insanityisfreedom36/Steel_and_Fire_World_Position1.png)

Vetalian Allies
Total GDP: $842.42 trillion
Average GDP: $105.30 trillion
Total Population: 27.106 billion
Average Population: 3.383 billion

ViZionarian Allies
Total GDP: $735.18 trillion
Average GDP: $105.03 trillion
Total Population: 26.351 billion
Average Population: 3.764 billion
(calculated using NSEconomy)

Oh, thanks a lot! That saves me a lot of time calculating, and I added your map under your name.

My detailed map (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3669/blmapdraftsvgzy7yt3.jpg).

Should I make my own thread, or should I just pop up in ya'lls threads every now and then?

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/Map-2.jpg

Vetalia's claims are in West Africa. If anybody's claims conflict with another's, we'll figure out how to resolve it.

My detailed map is under construction.

Should I make my own thread, or should I just pop up in ya'lls threads every now and then?

Well, I'd like an intro RP thread for all of the partisan groups, but yeah, you'll post in other threads where your partisans are operating.

Also, BL: Where exactly is your country located? I don't recognize it off the top of my head.

Also, BL: Where exactly is your country located? I don't recognize it off the top of my head.

Mediterranica (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2831/mediterranicamap10xy3.png), which is somewhere in the Indian Ocean.

Mediterranica (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2831/mediterranicamap10xy3.png), which is somewhere in the Indian Ocean.

Thanks. I'll paste you in more or less there. You've created a new island in the Indian Ocean.

Map (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/Omni-Sense/MapKey.jpg)

Well, there is my map. Relatively, it was in a continent with a bunch of other people, but I doubt they still have their nations there, so why I don't I just say that I am in that hole where ViZion is (RL Congo) but slightly angled.


And don't forget to adjust the population/GDP accordingly.

Thank you, Omni. Your country is added (you were on the ViZion side, right?).

Got 1 question and 1 request...

First, the question. ViZion has evacuation plans with many of our allies in the event of a massive invasion or attack that forces the need to take such dramatic actions to safe-guard our civilians. This includes a massive underground network of tunnels and what not all across the nation. Will this be allowed?

Second, the request. I'd like to request that at least one of my long-time allies be allowed to join (and of our you can do so for your side, too). Is that acceptable?

One other question... I've got multiple RP's going, how will this RP effect them, such as my Int'l School for Teens RP. Any effect to everyones other RP's?

Omni = Me.

Hey, buddy... we're neighbors now! So, the mountains seen on my map will be on the north side (i.e. flip my nation about one hundred eighty degrees).

First, the question. ViZion has evacuation plans with many of our allies in the event of a massive invasion or attack that forces the need to take such dramatic actions to safe-guard our civilians. This includes a massive underground network of tunnels and what not all across the nation. Will this be allowed?

Yes, especially considering expansive tunnels have been used widely in war.

Second, the request. I'd like to request that at least one of my long-time allies be allowed to join (and of our you can do so for your side, too). Is that acceptable?

Okay. I'll add Amazonian Beasts to my side and you can add your ally to yours

One other question... I've got multiple RP's going, how will this RP effect them, such as my Int'l School for Teens RP. Any effect to everyones other RP's?

Well, you can either fluid-time them to before/after the war or RP the consequences of the war on the school and university.

Yes, especially considering expansive tunnels have been used widely in war.



Okay. I'll add Amazonian Beasts to my side and you can add your ally to yours
Sweet and sweet! Since ANL posted first out of my major long-term allies, add him.

Omni = Me.

Hey, buddy... we're neighbors now! So, the mountains seen on my map will be on the north side (i.e. flip my nation about one hundred eighty degrees).
Awesome! :)

Well, you can either fluid-time them to before/after the war or RP the consequences of the war on the school and university.
Gotchya. Thx for clearin that up. I rarely involve myself in closed RP's. heh

Gotchya. Thx for clearin that up. I rarely involve myself in closed RP's. heh

I don't do closed RPs much either, but the problem with most II wars is that alliances and other nations get dragged in and it can result in total chaos, a dogpile, or something else unpleasant that makes it hard to really have a true war.

Actually, I might not be going depending on whether it rains. So I'll be here for a little longer.

I don't do closed RPs much either, but the problem with most II wars is that alliances and other nations get dragged in and it can result in total chaos, a dogpile, or something else unpleasant that makes it hard to really have a true war.
Heh, that's the thing w/ ViZion. I've got a few select large allies and some smaller ones, but this usually in turn brings in other nations. Just wish I could bring in Jarridia, too. ViZion and Jarridia=best allies of all time. Never not fought a big war w/o him since 2004.

Heh, that's the thing w/ ViZion. I've got a few select large allies and some smaller ones, but this usually in turn brings in other nations. Just wish I could bring in Jarridia, too. ViZion and Jarridia=best allies of all time. Never not fought a big war w/o him since 2004.

I'll let you bring in Jarridia. I'll be able to find someone else for my side to balance things out.

I'll let you bring in Jarridia. I'll be able to find someone else for my side to balance things out.
You're fine with that? K, cool, I'll let him know.

You're fine with that? K, cool, I'll let him know.

Actually, it balances everything out almost perfectly. You're a little higher on population and GDP, but nowhere near enough for an imbalance.

Here is a VERY rough draft of my map

Please note, this is under negotiation with my two neighbors and subject to change.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i47/ObssesedNuker/Continentelysia.jpg

Here is a VERY rough draft of my map

Please note, this is under negotiation with my two neighbors and subject to change.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i47/ObssesedNuker/Continentelysia.jpg

Thank you, Red Tide. Where should I mark your country on the world map?

Southern Pacific.

Southern Pacific.

Okay. I'll mark an area for your country, and when your map is complete I can actually fill in the reserved area with your actual borders.

Alright, I have two main historically-based ideas in regard to the invasion of Cazelia that will be the true start of the war:

1. The "annexation of Czechoslovakia", where ViZion and his allies allow us to move in without penalty due to hopes of appeasing our need for territory.

2. The invasion of Poland/France, where a blitzkrieg war overwhelms their armed forces and leaves ViZion and his allies unable to respond in time.

Cazelia would occupy oregon, vancouver island and california

Cazelia would occupy oregon, vancouver island and california

Ah, thanks. I'll put you up there immediately.

Woh, long way away to grab some land.

Woh, long way away to grab some land.

Yeah, that might be a bit of a challenge. However, thanks to NS magic, we can accelerate landings and invasions...

Yeah, that might be a bit of a challenge. However, thanks to NS magic, we can accelerate landings and invasions...

Oh, I wasn't thinking logistically really - more on practicality. Traveling some ten thousand miles by sea (assuming you go through Panama) to grab some land when the rest of Africa is much closer. Not to mention that it leaves Vetalia somewhat exposed to a quick counterattack by ViZion.

Not complaining, just musing.

Oh, I wasn't thinking logistically really - more on practicality. Traveling some ten thousand miles by sea (assuming you go through Panama) to grab some land when the rest of Africa is much closer. Not to mention that it leaves Vetalia somewhat exposed to a quick counterattack by ViZion.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. The thing is that we needed to fit everyone in to the globe, and Cazelia ended up in a relatively different location on the world map than they are in the NS universe. And, of course, we have to assume all the grey areas are owned by nations uninvolved in the conflict.

Map (http://www.geocities.com/jamealbeluvien/Mondothmapmain.bmp)

You can position me in the north Atlantic (U.S. and Eurasia may need to make way, Mondoth is not a small landmass)

Map (http://www.geocities.com/jamealbeluvien/Mondothmapmain.bmp)

You can position me in the north Atlantic (U.S. and Eurasia may need to make way, Mondoth is not a small landmass)

Hmm...how about I put you in the area of Greenland? That's a large landmass that can be expanded to include more land.

Even if it's not to scale, we can detail that fact for RPs on your soil.

Alaska belongs to TLA, I'm trying to fix up my older Map to make it more useful. My nation will be somewhere in the West Alantic near the Cribbean.

Alaska belongs to TLA, I'm trying to fix up my older Map to make it more useful. My nation will be somewhere in the West Alantic near the Cribbean.

Okay. I'll mark Alaska and reserve you a spot in the Carribean.

Hmm...how about I put you in the area of Greenland? That's a large landmass that can be expanded to include more land.

Even if it's not to scale, we can detail that fact for RPs on your soil.

that's fine for this RP, maybe a little close to Steel and Fire for comfort, but that in its self could add some good theatres to the RP.

Just dropping a note; won't be able to play, sorry.

Just dropping a note; won't be able to play, sorry.

Aww, shoot, maybe next time. Glad you were interested, though.

Attention: NeoAztec's slot is now open.

that's fine for this RP, maybe a little close to Steel and Fire for comfort, but that in its self could add some good theatres to the RP.

Yeah, I'd really like to see some naval combat in the region, especially since the winning side would be able to control most of the seas in the area.

is this just an RP or a real invasion?

is this just an RP or a real invasion?

It's an invasion, but one within the confines of this RP. Depending on how the war turns out, you'll either be liberated by your allies and my side defeated and Vetalia occupied, or we'll conquer your side and RP the aftermath of war for our side.

Eventually, we'll RP the occupation and then eventually the transition to civilian rule (most likely when my fascist government finally falls apart or collapses, in which case there will also be an RP for that.)

However, I'm not sure whether or not this war will "bleed" outside of the closed RP; I might just allow everyone to RP events outside of the war in fluid time either before or after the conflict unless they are interested in RPing its effects on their other threads.

Bump before bed. Remember, IC posts start tomorrow, so get those maps ready. ;)

I am on the side of Vetalia and my map is in the sig. *My paint skills suck badly...XD*

I guess you can put the islands to the east of South America.

Lucky I'm still awake. Glad to have you on my side, Maldorians.

I'll add your map and update the world map, and then I'm off to bed.

Lucky I'm still awake. Glad to have you on my side, Maldorians.

I'll add your map and update the world map, and then I'm off to bed.

Thanks man! I can't wait for bloodshed...:cool:

EDIT: Nice making my place smaller! w00t. Good job on the map. Thanks.

Okay, you're on the map. If you'd like your location moved or anything like that, just tell me where and I'll adjust the map tomorrow.

Bumping this. Keep submitting maps and questions to this thread and once the war starts I'll move everything to the main OOC thread.

Also, this will serve as the pre-war/Cazelia invasion OOC thread.

I think Vetalia knows where I am, but anyway, I am in northeastern Africa. Egypt is the iundustrial and governmental heartland. Normally I also have a number of surrounding provinces (Ethiopia, Sudan etc), but I could trim those for purposes of this RP if Africa gets overcrowded.

Also, I started a little RP which is supposed to be a prelude to this (invading Israelkistan (guess where it's located?) to secure the Suez area and to basically impress the population into my workforce since with massive army expansion will come a worker shortage.

I will post a paint map (no promises on quality) once I get home from work.

Thanks. I'll mark those other territories for you as well (actually, I think Sudan would be right up against my border almost, actually).

I gave you a territory up against my border (Chad, I think) for RP purposes; if nobody claims Ethiopia, I'll give it to you but I have a feeling it is claimed by someone else.

Sounds good.

This is a messy Paint map of what I normally RP with, but anyone who wants can feel free to shave off bits if there's a conflict of territories. The only really essential one is Egypt. My nation is relatively small compared to most of the combatants, so it's probably too much territory just by itself.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/Coriat/untitled-1.jpg

Sounds good.

This is a messy Paint map of what I normally RP with, but anyone who wants can feel free to shave off bits if there's a conflict of territories. The only really essential one is Egypt. My nation is relatively small compared to most of the combatants, so it's probably too much territory just by itself.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/Coriat/untitled-1.jpg

We're sort of working some NS magic here; obviously, five billion people would have a hell of a hard time fitting in to a territory like mine or ViZion's, so in a lot of cases the country itself is bigger than the territory marked on the map.

However, since land claims are finite, I gave you the territories closest to Egypt as well as Chad, which is important because it borders my territory and would be perfect for joint defense. Also, remember that the climate comes in to play here. We have a great defensive perimeter thanks to the desert to the north and tropical areas to the south.

Okay, in case anyone missed it the first prewar IC thread is up:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534856

Others can begin posting threads as well. Tonight, there will be another thread called "Anschluss" that will involve me and New Manth forming a stronger bilaterial alliance for joint defense (sort of like Germany-Austria in WWII).

Yes, the Anschluss of Austria was a bilateral alliance... *cough* annexation *cough*

:p

Yes, the Anschluss of Austria was a bilateral alliance... *cough* annexation *cough*

:p

This is all I have to say:

;)

Whilst we would like a little more autonomy than Austria had, and we may have enough military force to ensure that (with the military planned to swell to over twenty million active troops before the war even starts), there are some large benefits to a closer alliance with Vetalia.

A post in the buildup thread will be upcoming, by the way.

Whilst we would like a little more autonomy than Austria had, and we may have enough military force to ensure that (with the military planned to swell to over twenty million active troops before the war even starts), there are some large benefits to a closer alliance with Vetalia.

A post in the buildup thread will be upcoming, by the way.

Frankly, I'd like to have tension over the nature of the alliance be part of it; the Praetor will want an Austrian-style annexation while his Minister of State (actually the more powerful of the two and a remnant of the old guard) will argue for independence.

Bump.

I may be going out for a while, but I should be on some time after 8.

Bump.

I may be going out for a while, but I should be on some time after 8.

Is there someone who can make me a map?My nations geography is almost identical to the Ukraine one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_location_UKR.png

Is there someone who can make me a map?My nations geography is almost identical to the Ukraine one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_location_UKR.png

Try this, maybe:
http://z.about.com/d/geography/1/0/g/H/ukraine.jpg

It's a little small, but enough to mark major cities and roads. You could always just blow it up if needed.

We Are Sorry To Announce But Smyrnag Will Have To Withdraw From This War For Border Integrity Reasons

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Vetalian Allies (official name pending)

-Vetalia
-New Manth
-The Warmaster
-Maldorians
-Red Tide (map under construction)
-Amazonian Beasts
-British Londinium
-Steel and Fire
-Smyrnag

ViZion Allies
-ViZion
-Mondoth
-The Lone Alliance
-Kanisov
-Cazelia
-Duneria
-DMG/Omni Sense

Partisans (in occupied regions, good character RP skills strongly suggested since this will all be small-unit action)

Vetalian Loyalists
-The PeoplesFreedom
-Dalnijrus

ViZion Loyalist Partisans
-Mondoth
-The Lone Alliance

Other (nationalist/independence/revolutionary movements against Vetalia and ViZion)
-Kampfers


I am featured in the first page of this thread

My mistake. I didn't recall you signing up.

My mistake. I didn't recall you signing up.

No problems,i am withdrawing because i don´t have much of an army,and someone might invade me since i´m only good at small arms and ammunition manufacturing,and oh god we don´t want that do we?

Okay Smyrnag. If you feel like RPing and there is room open, I'll fit you in again.

Bump.

How about that Anschluss RP?

How about that Anschluss RP?

Oh, you're on! Good, I'll start it immediately.

Hey, I've got 2 co-workers who's nations are 15 million or so each who want to get involved. With 1 more large nation replacing Jarridia's spot in this war, not sure if you want that or not. If not, no problem. They wanted me to ask you.

Hey, I've got 2 co-workers who's nations are 15 million or so each who want to get involved. With 1 more large nation replacing Jarridia's spot in this war, not sure if you want that or not. If not, no problem. They wanted me to ask you.

Oh, that's cool. I might need to find someone else to balance out the large nation replacing Jarridia, but an additional two small nations are perfectly fine.
Don't forget to remind them to list their land claims in this thread and make a map.

Also, I'll be on late so if any IC stuff is posted late I'll be on to respond to it.

Oh, that's cool. I might need to find someone else to balance out the large nation replacing Jarridia, but an additional two small nations are perfectly fine.
Don't forget to remind them to list their land claims in this thread and make a map.

Also, I'll be on late so if any IC stuff is posted late I'll be on to respond to it.
Well, I know that they're basically bordering me to my north, but not positive exactly where. When I see 'em tomorrow, I'll talk to them and have them post up their info. :)

And ya, I know I'll have someone replacing Jarridia, just not positive who yet... so go ahead and get someone now if ya want.

Also, so here's the update... Generic Empire is going to officially replace Jarridia on my side. And I think ANL dropped out, if so Borman Empire will most likely be replacing him - will know for sure tomorrow. I'll keep you updated on that.

Also, didn't someone say they'd support financially/supply weaponary? If so, TFU can be my supplier for finances/weapons. If I misread that, then disregard this paragraph regard TFU.

Also, so here's the update... Generic Empire is going to officially replace Jarridia on my side. And I think ANL dropped out, if so Borman Empire will most likely be replacing him - will know for sure tomorrow. I'll keep you updated on that.

Alright, great. I'll update the list, and GE can provide their map and location.

Also, didn't someone say they'd support financially/supply weaponary? If so, TFU can be my supplier for finances/weapons. If I misread that, then disregard this paragraph regard TFU.

If they did, I'd have to check. I don't think it was in this thread.

Alright, great. I'll update the list, and GE can provide their map and location.



If they did, I'd have to check. I don't think it was in this thread.
Great.

And it was on the first thread I thikn.

Okay Smyrnag. If you feel like RPing and there is room open, I'll fit you in again.

If you need weapons supply,i can still do that for you,i just can´t involve my army in such a big war

Well, I’m still in this, so you can add me to the list of ViZion’s allies. If you want the map:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Spectrechris/ANLMap.jpg

(I use RL city locations and such, but if it’s not detailed enough, let me know…

Well, I’m still in this, so you can add me to the list of ViZion’s allies. If you want the map:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Spectrechris/ANLMap.jpg

(I use RL city locations and such, but if it’s not detailed enough, let me know…

Oh, no, that's good. I'll add you to the map.

Actually, come to think of it, we might be fighting pretty soon...

working on a post for israelkistan right now, then a post for anschluss. May not get to anschluss till tonight... I have to actually bucke down and get some work done at some point.

Also, remember that the invasion of Cazelia begins today, so anybody is RPing partisans should also be ready to make their intros after we move in.

I'm going to have to back out. Sorry.

I'm going to have to back out. Sorry.

Damn...that kind of hurts us a little bit. I'll have to see what I can do about it.

Looking at the map, there is a nation bordering mine in Texas labeled as HTC...Who is HTC and who's side is the player on? That will make deployments a bit easier.

Looking at the map, there is a nation bordering mine in Texas labeled as HTC...Who is HTC and who's side is the player on? That will make deployments a bit easier.

It's an abbreviation, and HTC is on ViZion's side.

It's an abbreviation, and HTC is on ViZion's side.

Thank you very much. I must complement you on how you're running this RP - so many war RPs become so disorganized at this point, they just fall a part.

Thank you very much. I must complement you on how you're running this RP - so many war RPs become so disorganized at this point, they just fall a part.

Thanks. :) I'm trying to, although it's still difficult because Cazelia isn't always on and that slows down the RP in their country.

Maybe I should invade ViZion soon to speed things up...actually, I think I'll do that tonight.

What do I post here?

What do I post here?

I'd need your maps.

Balls...GE has those somewhere

Do I need to use an RL landmass or can I use a ficticious landmass?

Balls...GE has those somewhere

Do I need to use an RL landmass or can I use a ficticious landmass?

Pretty sure you can use ficticious...