The Antigran Armoury and Storefront Mk.1, MT
Formerly The Official Armoury of Antigr. Thanks for getting rid of that, mods!
Note, this thread is new and still under construction!. Also, check the last page for new write-ups and please leave your opinions, good, bad, or ugly.
Hello, and welcome to the first armoury and storefront of Antigr, where every weapon and vehicle in service with the Federal Antigran Armed Forces is brought to you for you to study, and in some cases to buy, hopefully answering any questions you have about them in the process!
RESTRICTIONS! NO CUSTOMER IS ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND EXAMPLES OF EACH WEAPON FOR SALE, AND NO PRODUCTION RIGHTS WILL BE SOLD.
Any weapon can be bought if you give me an offer I can't refuse. This does not include blackmail.
Read our terms and conditions (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13117434&postcount=16) please, it's not more than half a page long, and it'll only take a sec.
All my pics are by me and done in Microsoft Paint. No, none of that fancy-schmancy .png stuff, just an entry-level drawing program.
Anyone asking whether Agrandov or MassPwnage did my pics will offend me because I can be just as good in paint.
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Juvenile Wall
Financial War - Warned Blatant unwanted advertising. Clearly against the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13117434&postcount=16)
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News
3rd August '07 Thread Finally Launched!
4th August '07 First weapon added - And is up for sale!
7th October '07 Second weapon added after lengthy wait. For sale!
8th October '07 New restrictions put in place concerning weapon sales. New weapon added.
27th October '07 After long wait, new weapon finally added.
29th October '07 'Nother two guns added.
30th October '07 Yay! Another Gun!
31st October '07 Yep, another gun
11th November '07 Getting ahead of myself here. Tanks added, *yay*
17th November '07 Another Tank!
19th November '07 Added the GPL 'Jeep'. Not Complete.
8th December '07 Woohoo, first SPG up.
22nd December '07 'Tis the night before the night before the night... (etc.) Christmas and a new tank awaits
4th January '08 First MLRS vehicle added
18th January '08 Thread name change! Cheers, mods
27th January '08 First Light Tank
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Small Arms
Sidearms
1. KKS Pistol (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12936841&postcount=2)
UP FOR SALE IN 9MM PARABELLUM CALIBRE - 500 USD APIECE!
2. KKS 45 Standard Issue Pistol (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13114001&postcount=6)
UP FOR SALE IN .45 ACP CALIBRE - 750 USD APIECE!
Small Automatics
1. PT-3 Sub-Machine-Gun (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13117146&postcount=14)
Assault or Battle Rifles
1. Sabre (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13130744&postcount=27)
2. Sabre II (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13178681&postcount=65)
3. SeG-60 (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13580782) 3a. SeG-60B (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13580782)
Machine Guns
1. KGM General-Purpose Machine-Gun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13168548&postcount=52)
2. Sabre SFR Light Machine-Gun (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13173443&postcount=57)
Sniper Rifles/Designated Marksman Rifles
1. SeG-60C/SeG-60D (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13580782)
2. DE-9 Sniper Rifle (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13176084&postcount=62)
Shotguns
1. Ranger Arel II (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13183254&postcount=72)
Ground Systems
Tanks
1. MT-85, MT-85B, and MT-85C Marauder (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13207480&postcount=85)
2. Kraker (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13223046&postcount=102)
UP FOR SALE - Production rights also available - see write-up
3. Kraker III (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13403425&postcount=189)
UP FOR SALE, 1.35Mil. USD APIECE! With TOW ATGM mount rather than Miera III and gun modified for NATO 90mm ammunition/M2HB MG on top RATHER THAN V60-T
4. MT-85D Marauder (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13313625&postcount=152)
Utility, Support, and General Purpose
1. GPL 'Jeep' (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13228816&postcount=109)
Artillery
1. ACP-90 SPG (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13272703&postcount=132)
2. SLRA - Salvo Launch Rocket Artillery (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13343496&postcount=164) (In other words, an MLRS system)
KKS
Image (http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/antigr/KKS_Pic01.jpg)
Class: Pistol
Cartridge: 9x23mm AS
Length: 20.3cm
Weight: 800g
Action: Gas Operated, Double Action Only
Magazine Option(s): 15 Round Magazine
THIS PISTOL IS BEING REPLACED DUE TO SEVERAL SHORTCOMINGS. READ KKS-45 ARTICLE
The KKS pistol came about from a combined armed forces directive for a new pistol, with a high magazine capacity and powerful but small round to put this into practice, in order to replace the old S-10 handguns then in service.
Reliable weapons, they were nonetheless based around a foreign cartridge, the '9mm Parabellum', which was quite weak and not too accurate either. Besides, they were first issued in 1910 and hadn't changed since.
Two companies, namely WCG (Weston Corp General) and Sergey, submitted their designs. Both were very good, but both also had major flaws in areas where the other design was perfect. So, under orders from the Federal Ordnance Board, they united and created a new design, taking the best bits from each of the previous designs and also taking some time to speak to various soldiers to hear what they wanted to see in a new sidearm.
"Reliability"
"Power"
"Versatility"
Those were the three words spoken in almost every interveiw. And those were the three things that the two companies had to provide with their new pistol, termed 'Project 3502'.
That was back in 1990.
The ultimate aim was for a 'universal' weapon, which all branches of the forces could use, and this has been done.
Of course, for all branches of the forces to use the weapon, it had to be adaptable, so silencers and such could be added.
And so, apart from the standard barrel, a new longer one was made available with a thread on the end, protected by a unscrewable nut so silencers and flash surpressors could be attached by simply screwing them on.
What's more, the barrels are easily interchangeable and removeable.
And, for the matter of red-dot sights and other underslung gadgets, a hard rubber-reinforced plastic grip on the bottom of the weapon allows simple clip-on gadgets to be attached. This doubles as a cover for a more complex system underneath, for more sturdy and advanced attachments.
The rear part of the tough steel blade-and-notch sights has two height settings, 0-40 metres and 40-80 metres.
And as well as all that, the magazines of the weapon are fully interchangeable with the 20-round mags sometimes found on PT-3 SMGs.
Versatility.....mission accomplished.
Next, for the matter of power. The 9x23mm cartridge was developed in the '70s as a private venture for a civilian weapon cartridge. The project had faded away, but the company who had made this venture was one of the weapon's contractors and designers, Sergey. And they had kept the plans for this cartridge very much alive.
The cartridge was sent away to the Federal Ordnance Board's ammunition department for dusting off, and this they did.
They replaced the Round-Nosed bullet with a Jacketed Hollow Point bullet, just like virtually all Antigran ammunition from the '50s onwards, as the Antigrans were poineers of the development of this cartridge.
However, there came a problem - new developments in body armour.
The cartridge had to be made more powerful. Size increase, perhaps? Out of the question. The magazine had to have a capacity of about 15 rounds or so, as specified so clearly in the requirements. And the magazine couldn't be lengthened because it had to fit neatly inside the pistol grip. Only one thing for it - make the bullet as sharp as a sabre.
So, they ventured into a plan from the '80's, again by Sergey. What if you added a sharply pointed steel tip onto the bullet to improve aerodynamics, range, and acuraccy but still acheive the mushrooming effect of the JHP bullet, by ensuring that upon impact, the tip came off?
They were onto something here, and, before they knew it, had acheived their goal with the help of a few scientists. They had made a huge jump in Antigran ammunition technology.
(Note: The Antigrans were still using a .30 round for Assault Rifles, and a .243 round, eventually to become the .243 RI, was in development, intended to be a JHP - Jacketed Hollow Point - round. The success in the Pistol Round removed the problems standing in the way of development of the catridge and ensured it became a very devastating yet accurate and succesful round. The .30 Ball round was also upgraded to this standard ensuring total supremity over standard rounds in other armies)
Power.....mission accomplished.
Now, what about Reliability?
The Antigran design team decided to use the proven short-recoil browning system which proved so successful in other pistols. Unfortunately, design restrictions prevented the use of any measures further than trying to seal the gun up externally, which doesn't work that well. Hence the gun's replacement.
And, in April 1992, they had finally come up with the handgun. And not just an ordinary handgun either.
They had made a handgun for the ages, christened KKS, each letter stands for the surname of a chief designer, one from WCG, one from Sergey, and one from the Federal ordnance Board.
And recently, they decided to make it public, putting it up for sale at 500 USD each in 9mm Parabellum calibre!
Pic done by paint. Nothing better to do it with, sorry. But for something from paint, I think it's pretty good...
So, opinions for the first weapon?
I think it would be effective for security-oriented missions, but not as effective in field combat.
We may consider purchasing some.
Pinguinum
12-09-2007, 17:20
Something that a secret agent might use.
Sorry it's been so long since my last post, but I've been drawing pics for everything. So...
KKS 45
Image (Done in MS paint by me, Copyright and Trademark) (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/KKS-45_Pic01.jpg)
Calibre: .45 Mikhara
Length: 21.1 cm
Action: Double Action Only, Browning Short-Recoil System
Barrel Length: 13.98 cm
Capacity: 13 Rounds
Weight: 780g
Bullet: Jacketed Hollow Point
Effective Range: 47.3 m
Sights: Standard Iron Fixed, Blade and Notch
Distinguishing Features: Rubber Accesory Rail Cover, Interchangeable Moduar Grip Panels on Pistol Grip
The original KKS was found to be accepted, but not exceptionally loved, by the Antigran troops.
First, it was prone to jamming in places like the desert due to dust and sand clogging it up.
It had a fair record for reliability, but a flaw in the design was that of a safety that simply didn't work half the time due to the strains and climates the gun went through. Not to mention 12 other shortcomings that were not released. The answer? A new gun.
First off, it was decided to have a new cartridge. The 9x23mm AS was found to be too complicated, but it's bullet was good. Also too complicated.
To remedy this, a simpler new cartridge was sought.
The original KKS design team decided to base one around the wild-cat RCG .45, and, with the help of company Mikhara, created a new cartridge out of it, considerably longer and featuring a new bullet than the original.
The result? The .45 Mikhara Hi-Power RCG, more informally known as the .45 Mikhara. A .45 was developed so that so much concentration didn't have to be put into the bullet's penetrating capabilities, because this was making it expensive. Rather, the team decided to rely on the bullet's size, however the did not dismiss the JHP - Jacketed Hollow Point - bullet. However, this was made simpler by doing away with the sharp point, as this only served to streamline the bullet (because it detached on impact). This was found to be unimportant at short ranges, thanks to the powerful cartridge case, a respectful 24mm long.
A problem with this cartridge was low capacity, and the order still stood for a fairly high-capacity gun. Solved by a new firing mechansim which allowed the mag to go amost all the way to the top of the weapon.
While the Sergey/WCG team were at it, grooves were put into the gun to prevent dust and sand from clogging the thing up. A feature shared with the reliable Uzi SMG.
Another complaint about the original KKS was it's length. Compact though it was, it was still a bit longer than a few PDWs and slightly awkward for the regulation holster. Shorter was the KKS 45.
It replaces the KKS as the new standard service pistol and is up for grabs at 750 USD a pop. Each nation is only allowed 1000 per, but negotiable.
A magazine can be bought for 10 USD each.
The gun, although just in service, is hugely loved by Antigran forces, despite drawbacks like the large magazine and resulting effect on handle.
Like the original gun, it has a rubber-plastic accesory rail.
Colstream
08-10-2007, 18:35
To Antigr:
Is it possible to have a version that is chambered for a 0.50 round? Basically the same round as the Desert Eagle. Or can it be chambered for a 9mm round. We wouldn't mind either as we have Pistols that have been chambered for both rounds that need replacing.
The original KKS is already up for sale in 9mm Para.
The KKS-45? No way. Unless you pay a few billion. (Due to expensive work which would need to be carried out on handle, safety, and hammer)
The KKS can be bought for 500 USD apiece with mags going at 7 USD each, but beware of problems with the weapon, see KKS45 article.
If you need .50, the KKS-45 is out of the question, unless you have something very valuable to offer us in return.
KKS can be chambered to this for the small, small price of 1100 USD each, plus an additional one-time only 1 million USD cost. Includes a seven-round capacity, overweight gun, and a round with a bullet too big for it's cartridge.
Sorry that everything's so expensive, but we will only sell to the most determined to get it. And those people will pay high prices.
Colstream
08-10-2007, 18:52
To Antigr:
We would like to buy 500 KKS chambered with 9mm and the magazines for them. These are for the Colstream Embassies Security Service. We would also like 1000 KKS 45 and Magazines for them. Hope this deal can be arranged. We will buy from your armoury in the future as more weapons come on sale.
Sorry, you did not specify how many mags you'd like and these come at an additional cost. Thus, only one will be included with each. Special measures have been incorporated into both guns so that it will not accept any similar magazine, and making your own ammo without a licence from us (Which we are not at the stage of providing) will result in harsh retribution.
Thus,
500 x KKS (9mm) w/ 1x Magazine for each = 253500 USD
1000x KKS 45 (.45 ACP) w/ 1x Magazine for each = 760000 USD
TOTAL
1013500 USD (One million and thirtenn thousand, five hundred United States Dollars)
This is Compatible with your defence budget. Order approved. We expect full payment by the end of the month. We also expect a notice that the money has been sent.
Also,
NEW RESTRICTIONS! NO CUSTOMER IS ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND EXAMPLES OF EACH WEAPON FOR SALE, AND NO PRODUCTION RIGHTS WILL BE SOLD.
PT-3 Sub-Machine-Gun
Image, done by me in MS Paint as usual, Copyright and Trademark (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/PT-3_Pic02.png)
Calibre: .45 Mikhara, earlier .45 Larken Special
Length, stock extended: 68.4cm
Barrel length: 36.1cm
Weight: 2.67kg
Capacity: 25 Rounds
Sights: Bead in tunnel and notch, adjustable, 50m increments to 200m
Effective Range: 203m
Bullet: Jacketed Hollow Point
Action: Gas-Operated, Wrap-Around Bolt
Rate of Fire: 750rpm
Distinguishing Features: Interchangeable Grip Panels on Handle, Retractable Stock, Accessory Rail on Top
Selector Switch: Safe, Single Shot, 3-Round Burst, Fully Automatic
In 1980, the M1G Sub-Machine-Gun was still the standard compact automatic of the Antigran armed forces. So, in 1990...it still was.
1982, and leading arms group Sergey had been nicely asked to do something about it, and to do it quick. However, the Antigran Armed Forces were not particularly well-funded, due to the 'peace' wave going through the nation.
So, no funding for the project. However, a Sergey volunteer group of five vowed to continue the project without the funding that they would have got under normal circumstances.
They did everything on paper, with a pencil (To be quite a few, by the time the project was to end) using their own initiative.
What these noble group of volunteers spawned was to be the PT-3.
It was decided early on the use the Wrap-Around (or 'Telescoping') bolt system. This would reduce the fire rate, but it was thought that over 800rpm would be a waste of ammunition, as it is excessive. Only rates over this were required for Medium/Heavy Machine-Guns.
However, 500rpm is far too slow, so a heavy spring was fitted to bring it up to 750.
The gun was to be chambered to .45 Larken Special, a variation of the MGC-1A round, which was still compatible with that weapon. it wasn't overly powerful, depending on it's sheer size and mass to penetrate. However, it wasn't underpowered, with a case 19.4mm long. Still, not that powerful, especially with a lead round-nose bullet, which was standard.
When the decision on this round was made, there came a problem: capacity. The Beta C-Mag was not around just yet, and the only option was a long magazine of 25 rounds. Not that good. One of the only things disliked about the PT-3.
A major concern was reliability. One thing that was found to be true, at least in some cases, was that a larger round increased risk of blocking or jamming.
Hence, sand and dust grooves were built into the design.
Versatility kind of came in to the sector held by reliability, and thus it was sought to include provision for quick barrel changes, and accessory rails for, well, accessories.
A barrel change can be carried out in 20 seconds. Not phenomenal, but good nontheless, considering no tools are required, except maybe a glove if the barrel is red-hot.
A year later. The peace-obsession was gone, and with it the lack of funding. Millions of Antigran Marcs were put into the project, giving designers room to add the final touches.
One of the most important was a new breech and magazine block to accomodate the new .45 Mikhara round, brand new and already earning a reputation for itself.
1987. The gun comes into service, and loved by all. It is now the standard issue SMG of all Antigran Forces.
Colstream
08-10-2007, 19:58
To Antigr:
We would like a magazine with each Pistol. The Money has been wired to the National Depository and will be availiable to spend in about 5 days. The Money is paid in full. We have paid early to avoid any questions from you and our defence commitee. We will buy some more equipment as it becomes availiable.
TERMS AND CONDITIONS
Oh, here we go.
Anyway...
I. We reserve the right to turn any order down. We will inspect your defence budget to see if it is compatible. Anyone resisting this will be banned, possibly for life, and all their purchases ordered to be returned.
II. The usual orders of no foul or abusive language. This includes all racist, sexist and other -ist remarks.
III. If you get banned, It's your own fault. No-one else's. So don't blame anyone else, and don't blame me.
IV. We will not sell production rights to anything, for anyone. Period.
V. No discounts for anybody, unless I want to.
VI. No spamming/advertising as I see unfit. Anyone doing so will be warned or punished.
VII. We have a juvenile wall. The stages are:
-Cautioned
-Cautioned Again
-Banned for a month and ordered to return all purchases
-Banned for life
(All of these can be reported to the mods, as unwelcome spamming is a crime in this place)
VIII. This is not a storefront. It is an amoury. Apart from the stuff for sale, don't bother asking for things that are clearly not for sale. If you're an ally that I can trust, you could ask and I may provide a one-off favour of selling something officially not for sale. Everyone else, tough luck.
To Antigr:
We would like a magazine with each Pistol. The Money has been wired to the National Depository and will be availiable to spend in about 5 days. The Money is paid in full. We have paid early to avoid any questions from you and our defence commitee. We will buy some more equipment as it becomes availiable.
No more items will be officially sold, but we operate under a 'give me an offer I can't refuse' policy. So, technically, you can talk me into a sale.
Also, while you have time, read the first post and examine the listings there and also the terms and conditions, please, if you have time.
One last thing. no weapon will be sold chambered to an Antigran calibre. Policy. Thus, expect the pistols to be in 9mm para and .45 ACP and such.
Crookfur
08-10-2007, 22:09
OOC: Looking good, some really nice pics
How does the 9x23mm AS round compare to the lieks of 9x23mm Win, .356 TSW or any of the other "super nine" rounds? Also wouldn't be a darn sight easier to convert large guns like these to another large frame cartridge like .45 ACP or 10mm auto than to totally redesign them for a small frame round like 9x19mm para?
Finally the range figures are very precise, are you using a ballistics calc?
Calculator?, it uses a fair amount of estimating plus scraps I've gathered from books, as well as pure knowledge of RL rounds and their ranges, comparisons, etc.
Shouldn't have said that...Shows you I'm not really that good, and don't pretend to be. (Sometimes)
Anyway, the 9x23mm Action Short (Cartridge only, not taking into acount the bullet) would be pretty much as you'd expect from a lengthened 9mm Para round, as, to save capacity, it wasn't bottlenecked.
All pics are done in - wait for it - Microsoft Paint, copyright and trademark (If I'm allowed to do that) and they only look like that from years of experience/failures.
Updated! PT-3 article complete.
*Sad* Awww, everyone hates me. Bump.
Colstream
12-10-2007, 23:10
To Antigr:
When do you get more equipment in and when do you start to officially start selling again?
Adding more equipment today. I only officially sell the things that have big 'for sale' signs under them, but we do operate under a 'give me an offer I can't refuse' system. Thus, give me an offer I can't refuse (this does not include blackmail) and you get what you want.
SABRE ASSAULT RIFLE
Image (By me, MS paint) (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/Sabre_Pic02.png)
Calibre: .243 AC Intermediate
Length: 96cm
Operation: Gas-Recoil System, Telescoping bolt
Capacity: 28 rounds (Originally 30 rounds, reduced due to jamming)
Sights: Red-Dot 3x Optical, backup regular optical sight with 50m increments up to 650m
Barrel Length: 50cm
Range: 650m
Weight Loaded: 3.34kg
Selector switch: Safe, Single Shot, Three-Round Burst, Fully Automatic
Rate of Fire: 550rpm
Long had the Federal Antigran Army searched for a perfect Assault Rifle. Perfect being impossible, they settled for very good. These two words describe the standard-issue service assault rifle since 1985, the Sabre, designed by A Sergey/Federal Ordnance Team design team.
The wrap-around, or telscoping, bolt system was selected for this rifle for several reasons. One, it allows for alonger barrel. Two, longer barrel means increased range, three, it doesn't climb on full auto, and four, it allows for a more balanced weapon.
A down side of this bolt is a reduced rate of fire. The designers didn't care, because the rates of fire usually found in assault rifles today, i.e. 750 rpm, were excessive, extremely innacurate, and resulted in ammunition being spent too fast. A rate of fire of 550rpm was accepted.
The previous assault rifle, to be replaced by the Sabre, was the RSFA, or Rifle, Service, Fully Automatic.
It fired a 7.62x46.5mm cartridge, now extinct except in second line units. It was decided for it to remain in reserve, navy, and air force service to limited extents, rechambered to the new .243 AC Intermediate round, a spin-off of the less succesful .243 IC.
Bright idea. Use that cartridge (.243 AC Intermediate) in the new rifle.
It has a 6mm bullet, of a lead/steel mixed FMJ/JHP compound, housed in a 50mm long cartridge case. Compared to other indigenous designs from other countries, such as the various 6.64mm rounds, it seemed at the bottom of the pack, but this was sonn to be proved false. The JHP/FMJ bullet allowed it to perform like the ball bullet of a larger calibre while having the deadliness of a hollow point.
The chamber of the gun is has a coat of anti-sticking material for jamming prevention, while dust and dirt grooves were incorporated into the design for reliabilty, while accessory rails built in for versatility.
The weapon uses an overhead gas tube, as it is the only real choice, at the end of which the forward part of the folding iron sights are mounted.
The main sight is an optical 3x Zoom with crosshair and seperate red-dot, mounted on top of the rear part of the iron sights and detachable by simply flicking up three clips.
Speaking of Iron sights, they have 50m increments up to 650m, the full effective range of the gun, and are adjustable with a little wheel at the side. The sights are a notch at the back and a blade in tunnel at the front.
After the last round in spent, the breech will fly back and stay open to take one step from the reloading process. The magazine is simply taken out, a new one put in, and the charging handle - part of the ejection port cover - pushed forward.
It was given the usual fine finishing touches that define an Antigran weapon from the pack before it was finally submitted to the armed forces. It was - make that is - a huge success.
Agrandov
13-10-2007, 15:33
Opinions?
Yeah, I've got one.
Take my fucking image down.
Click. (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?showtopic=1889)
One. That is my image. Two. if it looks like yours, it is coincidental. Three, if you're gonna go around swearing at people, shove off and don't come back. Four. I can't get to that link 'cos I'm not a member and don't wanna be. Five. If you're gonna say that, at least do it in a decent way. Six. Shove off anyway, I don't like your sort here.
Agrandov
13-10-2007, 15:44
My sort? You mean people who make their own artwork?
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9699/e19a4po7.png
That's my original rifle right there, and I have the digital evidence to prove it. Do not suggest that it's coincidence. I'm not sure if you directly copied chunks over and modified it, or whether you were just heavily inspired. It was one or the other, and don't dare pretend that you've never seen that image before.
Eurasian Socialist Rep
13-10-2007, 16:20
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8391/e19a4po7pz1.jpg
Unfortunately, paint decided to save in .jpg instead of .png, so direct pixel by pixel comparison is a little annoying in this pic, but you can get the gist of it. The BIGGEST dead giveaway was the stock. The pistol grip is TOP notch, something only an experienced linearter could draw, and when compared to your other work, reference:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/PT-3_Pic01.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/KKS-45_Pic01.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/antigr/KKS_Pic01.jpg
It's not even in the same league, ESPECIALLY the SMG grip.
I do have to congratulate you on the quality of the rip, it would be interesting for someone who's not an experienced linearter to notice most of the rips without them being pointed out. But here they are, please cease and desist.
No endorse
13-10-2007, 16:20
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8391/e19a4po7pz1.jpg
EDIT: Upper gun is Agrandov's, lower is Antigr's
Unfortunately, paint decided to save in .jpg instead of .png, so direct pixel by pixel comparison is a little annoying in this pic, but you can get the gist of it. The BIGGEST dead giveaway was the stock. The pistol grip is TOP notch, something only an experienced linearter could draw, and when compared to your other work, reference:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/PT-3_Pic01.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/KKS-45_Pic01.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/antigr/KKS_Pic01.jpg
It's not even in the same league, ESPECIALLY the SMG grip. But that stock, when compared with the grip, is TOTALLY out of place, really suggesting a rip.
Nonsense.
His trigger group is NOT a direct copy and resize of yours.
I found four differences. Different magazine catch, different grip shape, different trigger shape, the side of the gun near the trigger is different. I can upload and demonstrate.
The screw in the front has only the one thing in common thatis' a circle with a line passed through it at a similar angle. It is actually subtly different.
I suggest this is a very, very partial eyeball of some parts, rather then a zOMG COPY PASTE.
Agrandov
13-10-2007, 18:11
I'm undecided as to whether it's a direct copy/paste job, it could easily be with some modification. My main point is that either way, Antigr used my artwork for this without my permission. It's also obviously not a coincidence, as he has claimed, because the rear end (barring the stock) is a carbon-copy of my rifle.
It's way too close for comfort. I'm just asking that it be taken down, I don't want this to go any further than that. If he's going to be unreasonable then I'll take this to Moderation.
To my knowledge, the rules do not prohibit eyeballs.
Agrandov
13-10-2007, 19:02
This isn't just an eyeball, I'm sure of it now. In my original image I have a line of text on the left, that is unreadable because of how small it is. It should actually say "Manufactured by Stalwart PMC Inc."
Why is the text, in the same place on the other rifle, identical except for the size? It's just been scaled slightly. Is there any other explanation?
Even with this, I would still ignore it as an eyeball if Antigr wasn't hiding something. Antigr claims that it's coincidence, and with the obvious similarities this is clearly false. There's also the claim that he can't access Lineartinc., the only place I have posted my work. If this is true then I'm not sure how he would have got hold of my image, most likely someone passed it on.
There's something on Lineartinc. concerning this plagiarism, and more details have been pointed out as being identical to the pixel.
This isn't a game of spot-the-difference... the similarities are scary. I'm in no way against my work being used as a reference, but I feel that in this case Antigr went a few steps too far.
Antigr. I still want the image taken down.
Allanea. I'm not sure how acquainted you are with linearting in general, but plagiarism like this is pretty common, and it is painfully obvious. You're correct in that there are differences, but they should be the rule rather than the exception. Think of it as music; person A writes a song, and person B does a slightly different cover of it. There's nothing wrong with that, but in this case person B is claiming that they wrote it.
Dalnijrus
13-10-2007, 19:24
Lol, Xiuhcoatl, amirite?
Allanea. I'm not sure how acquainted you are with linearting in general, but plagiarism like this is pretty common, and it is painfully obvious. You're correct in that there are differences, but they should be the rule rather than the exception.
How are they 'the rule'? You've pointed out 4 items that are ostensibly copied - the rest of the rifle supposedly being different - in fact obviously different. I've shown that there are multiple differences in the depiction of the items which simply cannto be attributed to a bare, shameless copypaste.
P. S. LineartInc is blocked to non-registered users, and I don't wish to register, so I am unsure as to the veracity of your claims of there being a thread about this on LI.
Gurguvungunit
13-10-2007, 21:08
As someone who puts effort into doing his own lineart and respects others who do the same, I would like to join in requesting that Antigr remove the image. I understand that NS as a whole doesn't really enforce 'image ripping', but I think that it's common decency to ask before copying from one image to another. Moreover, if you use someone's art for inspiration, credit the artist as such. It isn't that hard. You can just say 'inspiration by Andraganov' or whatever.
Antigr. I'm not accusing you of intentional wrongdoing, because I don't know you and I don't know whether or not you intended to rip Andrag's art. But here's the deal. If you did, apologize. If you didn't, just ask next time. It's the gentlemanly thing to do, and it will avoid the oncoming dogpile of LInc users. Because we will come.
We do not forgive. We do not forget. We are #d. We are legion. And we are coming. Lulz.
EDIT: Happy, Allanea? (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c95/Spoat/Picture1.png)
Now you mention it, I have seen that Image in the NS draftroom. I used it [the Draftroom] for a while as a guest. But then again, I see a lot of images around the Draftroom. I study bits of good pics from the draftroom, and, if I decide that they're a must, I copy the basic shape and then re-do the whole thing to make it 1) not a rip-off 2) Nothing like the original and 3) Mine.
Similarities: The gas tube going into front sight post thing at the front. Seen that used on plently of rifle pics, decided to make my own.
I've noticed that the pistol grip is similar. I just randomly searched for rifle pics in google image search, and adopted a similar design to one I found. I drew that awhile ago, so the Image may well have been yours. I take responsibility for that particular piece.
There are more to be put into this, but I like the pic I made and want to keep it essentially the same. To aviod an argument, want bits do you want changed?
I am not admitting anything here.
By the way, No Endorse: that image I drew is a paint, and it's not a PNG thing, and thus was saved as a jpeg when uploaded to Photobucket.
Angrandov. I've worked on that pic for awhile. Read the first paragraph of this post. I have no intentions to become unreasonable. Your argument is a fair one and I respect you for that. However, a few points that need to be made clear:
I do not copy and paste, as much as i remember.
My image may be similar due to the fact that: when I draw a pic, I try to remember back to all the images I've seen and take good bits from them, then modify them totally so they're not a rip-off and they're mine, however this is the only way I can get more than a picture of a box and I've seen plenty of others doing it. Thus, it may look like yours because I've happened to have seen your pic somewhere and thought it good. I do get heavily inspired by other's work, maybe thus leading me to make things too similar, If this is the case, which I'm sure it is, I apologise, it is accidental, and hope we can discuss the topic further in a gentlemanly manner.
Agrandov
14-10-2007, 01:27
I have seen that Image in the NS draftroom.
That's incredible, seeing as I haven't posted the image there. I only put my work on Lineartinc., and a search of "E19A4" returns 0 results on Draftroom (meaning no-one else put the picture there, as far as I can tell.).
I just randomly searched for rifle pics in Google image search, and adopted a similar design to one I found.
So this image you found on google was the same one you claim to have found in the Draftroom? Because that rifle is 100% original, no real-life corporation in the world makes weapons in that style. It's got bits of Western, bits of Eastern, but there's no way I'm believing that we both threw pixels down and got results that similar.
Also, my image does not appear on Google. If it does, then I can't find it and I know exactly what I'm looking for. Lineartinc. is not busy enough for the image to be found easily, if at all. "assault rifle lineart", "rifle lineart", "e19", "e19a4" and "agrandov" do not return it as an image search. I've checked. I'm not going to trawl through Google's ~66,600 results for "assault rifle", but I'll put money on it not being within the reach of a reasonable search.
I do not copy and paste, as much as i remember.
I'm not accusing you of copy/pasting entire sections, but some of the details are pixel-perfect. I would chalk this up to an exceptionally close eyeball job, except the lettering on the receiver (as mentioned previously) has simply been resized.
I do get heavily inspired by other's work, maybe thus leading me to make things too similar, If this is the case, which I'm sure it is, I apologise, it is accidental, and hope we can discuss the topic further in a gentlemanly manner.
The back-pedalling here is admirable, but I'll agree that we'll only sort this out by being reasonable. That's why I would like the image to be taken down, and I don't want this to go any further than that.
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I try to remember back to all the images I've seen and take good bits from them, then modify them totally so they're not a rip-off and they're mine, however this is the only way I can get more than a picture of a box and I've seen plenty of others doing it.
When you steal from one artist, it's plagiarism. When you steal from a hundred, it's research.
I can only see one inspiration for your drawing, there's a dash of G36 but I think that's negligible. There is a world of difference between borrowing ideas from faceless weapons' corporations, and from making a knock-off of an item that only exists in two dimensions; it's art and it's design.
And so what if you only draw boxes? You honestly don't want to see my early stuff, it's terrible on too many levels. It was practice and helpful advice that helped me, and that's why Lineartinc. exists. If you're serious about creating your own lineart, then drop in and give it your best shot. No-one will care if it isn't a masterpiece, they'll give you constructive advice on how to make it look better.
This irks me partly because of how easy-going I am with my art. I let people use my images for their designs, hell, this one got given to someone who I honestly can't remember. I'm pretty sure they used the colour versions though, so the original lines should only be on Lineartinc. Anyway, I give my art away and I do requests for the hell of it. I even do bits of art for friends, like Kraven, who quite like to draw but haven't got the time to practice.
However, in this case I wasn't asked about it, I wasn't informed in any way until I fell into this thread by chance. If you want to use my art, then ask me nicely. If you want to do your own, then good luck with that, just don't do mine.
@ Allanea. I'm not entirely sure who you are or why you're involved, or even what your point is. Unless you have something life-changing to contribute, then I'm sure me and Antigr can handle this no-problem.
The one the draftroom is the E19A4 made by Central Prestonia. It's there, believe me.
Anway, It's good we're talking about this now.
Oh, and a pic with minor modifications:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/Sabre_Pic01.jpg
How's that?
I would also like to state that I did not copy and resize the grip from yours onto mine.
(Besides, I wouldn't be happy with the results from resizing something in paint. Too entry-level a program)
Agrandov
17-10-2007, 13:48
That's fine.
Thanks. And I'm sorry about any wrongdoing on my part.
KGM
Image (With Class 35 Bipod) (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/KGM_Pic01.jpg)
Specifications relate to standard model, KGM
Calibre: 7.62x60mm ACM
Class: General-Purpose Machine-Gun
Length: 115.3cm
Rate of Fire: 1200rpm
Weight: (With Cl. 35 Bipod) 11.80kg
Action: Short Stroke Gas-Operated System
Selector Switch: Safe, Single Shot, 3-Round Burst, Fully Automatic
Capaciy: 100/200/500 round belt, 25/35 round magazine, 80-round Beta C-Mag
Other specifications not released
The KGM GPMG is the standard company-level (or equivalent) support MG of all Antigran armed forces, and is respected by those on either end of the sights. It has been since 1984.
It is almost customary to equip Antigran weapons capable of fully-automatic fire with a wrap-around bolt system. This comes with one major drawback - low rate of fire. While it was deemed not neccesary to equip SMGs, Assault Rifles, and LMGs with systems achieving more than 800rpm, coompany-level mounted weapons were used in a different role, usually one where ammunition for the gun is plentiful, also one where high rates of fire were appreciated. A lot.
So, the designers stuck with a standard short-stroke gas-piston system. In it's original format, however, only 930 rpm was achieved. Not enough.
A heavy spring was added, bringing this up to 1200rpm. Good.
This caused another drawback - there were still situations where rates of fire akin to Assault Rifles and such were preferred.
It was seen to fix this with a ROF selector switch, mounted on the right-hand-side of the gun where the standard selector switch would be.
It allowed for the selection of two fire rates - high, a rate of 1200rpm - and low, 750rpm. Situation solved.
The gun uses .30 calibre ammunition - 7.62mm. It needed a fairly powerful round, and so it was decided to revamp the old 1930s-era 7.62x60mm - with nothing but a new bullet. The cartridge was already bottlenecked and powerful. Powerful was not a term that could be used for the bullet's description - it was a slightly pointed lead bullet that relied on the cartridge's power to penetrate. This less-than-ideal bullet was replaced with a sharply tipped ball. Unlike assault rifles and their LMG counterparts, the GPMG didn't use a JHP bullet due to the roles it would be used in - i.e. the decimation of soft-skinned/weakly-armoured vehicles, where the bullet needed to go through the target's outer skin, rather than attack the outsides itself.
Dust grooves were added to ensure extra reliability and longitudinal grooves for improved cooling.
To supplement this, Gas regulators were added, allowing you to control the rate of fire (Although this is not usually done from here) as well as maintaining fire when fouled.
The forward handle, when not in it's standard role, was either clipped to the right of the gun in it's special place, or clipped to a special groove in the barrel, where it would be used as a handle to unscrew the barrel quickly for cooling and/or changing.
Several variants exist - the armoured vehicle version (KGT - No stock or sights), the shortened 'commando' version (KGC - Shortened by 40cm with folding skeleton stock), and aircraft (KGA - Same as KGT except for special provision for mounting in weapon bays and improved but heavier feed system allowing 1000-round link belts), and the rare water-cooled gun (KGWC - Rate of Fire of 1700rpm, water-cooling jacket around barrel, and pump - makes for heavy gun, needs to be mounted with tank of water attached to recoil-operated pump)
It can be loaded with belts through the belt port, or a magazine feed can be attached (requiring about 5 minutes' modification, no tools required), simple gate system prevents two feeds active at once. Beta C-Mags can be loaded through the magazine port.
Standard iron sights are normally fitted, although the rear section has been replaced by a mini 3x optical which acts with the front sight post.
Colstream
28-10-2007, 14:40
To Antigr:
Your KGM Machine Gun is the best specification that i have seen for a long time. The variety of capacity is really good as you can change it as the situation changes. It is also a good weapon to have in the Desert or Jungle as the parts can pervent dirt getting into the chamber. It is a high class weapon.
Thank you. As a special offer, would you like 50 so you can have a play? We have small surplus stocks. Included are 100 of each:
100/200/500 round belt, 25/35 round magazine, 80-round Beta C-Mag, magazine attachment and fitting instructions.
We'll give you a hefty discount (1,000 USD per rather than 1,300 USD per). Total for all would be 51,230 USD, including shipping and security costs.
Just a special offer.
SABRE SFR
Image (With Class 12 Bipod) (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/SabreSFR_Pic02.png)
Calibre: .243 AC Intermediate
Class: Light Machine-Gun
Length: 106.7cm
Rate of Fire: 820rpm
Weight: (With Cl. 12 Bipod) 6.51kg
Action: Wrap-Around Bolt System
Selector Switch: Safe, Single Shot, 3-Round Burst, Fully Automatic
Capacity: 100/200 round belt, 28 round magazine, 80-round Beta C-Mag
The Sabre SFR - Squad Fire-Support Rifle (automatic) in it's full glory - is a re-incarnation of the original Sabre Assault Rifle to fill the squad LMG requirement.
It is simply the rifle with a thicker, heavier, longer barrel, longer body, increased fire rate, and provision for belt-loading. Considering thses minor-ish changes, it is considerably heavier, but not excessively heavy. Two are carried per standard infantry squad.
It is fitted with a class 12 lightweight bipod, which can be used in a number of roles.
For other details, see Sabre article.
SABRE SSG
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/SabreSSG_Pic01.jpg)
Calibre: .243 AC Intermediate
Class: Designated Marksman Rifle
Length: 106.7cm
Rate of Fire: Same as Sabre
Weight: 5.0kg
Action: Wrap-Around Bolt System
Selector Switch: Safe, Single Shot, 3-Round Burst
Capacity: Same as Sabre
The SSG is another evolution of the Sabre assault rifle, this time to make it a DMR. Changes include a longer barrel and body, scope (9.5x, usually), no full-auto fire option, adjustable cheekpad on stock as well as adjustable butt shoulder rest, different butt, and optional provision for the Browning Boss accuracy/compensator system, fitted as standard on later models.
Provision is made for Class 12 bipod as optional.
For other details, see Sabre article.
Feedback? Opinions? Praise?
Hurtful Thoughts
29-10-2007, 18:39
Lower ROF may be achieved by pnuematic buffer and gas release valve.
SFR = SAW
I see lots of fresh bump-slots for new designs
I don't want lower ROF. I want higher ROF, and this is achieved by a big heavy spring.
DE-9
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/DE9_Pic01.jpg)
Calibre: 7.62x60mm ACM
Class: Sniper Rifle
Length: 107.3cm
Weight: 4.92kg
Action: Bolt Action
Selector Switch: N/A, Bolt Action
Capacity: 10 Rounds
While looking simple and old-fashioned, the DE-9 has come to be widely respected and loved throughout the armed forces.
In it's role as a sniper rifle, it can fire a 7.62x60mm ACM round - the same used in the KGM machine gun - to just under a kilometre, dubbed it's 'effective range'. It can still provide harrasing fire 500 metres above this.
It uses bolt-action for some degree of reliabilty, this being modern times the designers chose a straight-pull system. This has the bonus of, theoretically, reloading and extracting in double the time of a conventional four-step bolt-action.
From the image, it appears that no accessory rails or such are provided. This is because all accessories that the DE-9 uses can clip on to the barrel, the top of which is exposed along it's entirety.
The bottom of the weapon has a mini accesory rail set into the bottom of the gun - not viewable from the sides, rear, or top.
A 9.5x/15x scope kit come as standard.
In order to mantain optimum use-ability, the stock incorporates adjustable cheek-pad and butt rest, and the scope is adjustable in zoom - 3x either way.
To improve reliability, longitudinal grooves were built into the barrel for cooling improvements and dust grooves to prevent jamming - or try to, at least.
This weapon is used at company-level, unlike DMRs, which are issued per platoon.
Opinions and feedback are always welcome!
SABRE II
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/SabreII_Pic01.jpg)
Calibre: .243 AC Intermediate
Length: 95.1cm
Operation: Wrap-Around Bolt System
Capacity: 28 rounds (Originally 30 rounds, reduced due to jamming)
Sights: Red-Dot 3x Optical, backup regular optical sight with 50m increments up to 650m
Barrel Length: 49cm
Weight Loaded: 3.5kg
Selector Switch: Safe, Single Shot, Three-Round Burst, Fully Automatic
Rate of Fire: 720rpm
The Sabre II was developed as a development/variation, rather than replacement, of the Sabre. The same Sabre design team was assembled to undertake the tasks at hand.
It is based around the Integerian G2A4, which Antigr paid 820 million United States Dollars for the production rights of.
Many things are carried over unaltered from the Sabre - such as the bolt system, sights, breech, and round, but to name only a few.
As these were intended to be issued as 1 per squad, initially, it was decided to give them some fire-support elements - instant attachment of a Class 12 Bipod and 720rpm fire rate.
As usual, dust grooves are present, but unlike Antigran dedicated machine-guns, longitudinal grooves are not.
Good usability was seen as a neccesity, so an adjustable cheekpad was fitted, as was a fully detachable magazine well - as with the Sabre - plus accessory rails top and bottom.
A new muzzle compensator was fitted too, as well as a removable comfortable grip panel, not forgetting a new breed of magazine. This is interchangeable with original Sabre mags, but using one in a gun designed for another hs a 35% increased chance of jamming.
The gun looks fairly heavy, but it only has a 160g increase in weight over the Sabre.
The gun is more of a slightly-improved Sabre on a different frame than a remake of it. It is being quite well-recieved by those lucky enough to have one, and a carbine is rumoured.
Feedback welcome as always!
Colstream
31-10-2007, 20:08
Thank you. As a special offer, would you like 50 so you can have a play? We have small surplus stocks. Included are 100 of each:
100/200/500 round belt, 25/35 round magazine, 80-round Beta C-Mag, magazine attachment and fitting instructions.
We'll give you a hefty discount (1,000 USD per rather than 1,300 USD per). Total for all would be 51,230 USD, including shipping and security costs.
Just a special offer.
I will take up that offer. In response, you will get half price on any items in my storefront. The money has been wired immediately.
Thanks. Play nicely now and don't kill too many people.
Any more opinions?
Bumpity bumpy a bump bump bump
RANGER AREL II
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/RangerArelII_Pic01.jpg)
Calibre: 14 Guage Ranger
Length: 89.9cm
Operation: Short-Stroke Gas-Piston System
Capacity: 30 Round Beta C-Mag, 17 Round Box Magazine, Can be Changed to Traditional Tubular Mag Underneath
Sights: 50m Fixed Blade and Notch
Weight Loaded: 4.02kg
Selector Switch: Safe, Fire
There have been an awful lot of Antigran full-auto/semi-auto (mostly the former) projects over the last two decades. All have pretty much failed beyond the testing stage. (This is why none are registered on pages such as this)
Why? Because designers have tried to incorporate too much into a simple weapon. Made it overly expensive. Made it heavier, harder to handle - crappier.
Finally, in 1994, it was decided to put an end to this by making one fairly simple, mass-producable, reliable shotgun. The Ranger Firearms company was saddled with the task by the Federal Weapons board.
Early on, it was decided that full-auto and pump-action were both undesirable - the former for it's complications and weight and the latter for it's terrible capacity and fire rate issues. The gun would be semi-automatic, a balnced weapon. However, pump-action did have one advantage - an ability to handle even the most unreliable of ammunition.
The remedy for this was not to have unreliable ammunition. Simple as that.
The Gun would be a follow-on to the unsuccesful Ranger Arel I, a fully-automatic 12-Guage that ended up weighing as much as an Anti-tank Missile Launcher - the non-disposable kind - and costing as much too.
Sights are simple; 50-metre fixed iron blade-and-notch. This was all that would be needed for a close-range weapon.
The failed Ranger Tactica II/V's 14-Guage round was chosen to be modified for this gun, reducing the length a little bit and improving it.
The result from this meddling was the 14 Guage Ranger, one that would be available for civilian markets and be used for several police pump-action designs. A first.
Of course, the gun's operation had to be decided on. There was little point in employing highly advanced systems for this - a wrap-around bolt system was not really needed, as no fully-automatic fire would be issued from the Arel II - the name of the weapon - and who needs balance with a close-range shotgun?
So, a traditional gas-actuated short-stoke piston systemwas chosen for the gun.
Next came the issue no-one had been waiting for - the use of accessories.
The lead designer, Dave Inrey, said:
"Who the hell needs infra-red night vision sights or 5000x super-mega-ultra telescopic sights with a close-range shotgun? Screw them, get on with the gun"
He was right. It was done. A few measures were put in place - such as a clip-on accessory rail - and those were all that was needed.
The weapons charging handle is on the lower-right of the gun, about two centimetres above the trigger.
To handle such a powerful round, the designers took a step away from 'simple' and chromed the bore, as well as adding dust grooves. Longitudinal grooves for better cooling were debated, but it wasn't a 3000rpm gatling gun and cooling wasn't an issue.
Some final touches were a plastic traditional C-Stock for a bit of nostalgia, made into a skeleton stock to spoil it, the addition of a forward grip, a thick tube for an integrated cleaning rod and some cleaning tools in the forward grip (visible in the pic), and the gun's name engraved on the right of the detachable magazine well.
The finished product: The Ranger Arel II Semi-Automatic shotgun.
Gone into production in early 1996, well-loved ever since.
Armoured vehicles comin' soon!
Opinions wanted for everything, all views (within reason) welcome. PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK.
MT-85, -85B, and -85C 'Marauder'
Image: MT-85 (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85_Pic01.jpg)
Image: MT-85B (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85B_Pic01.jpg)
Image: MT-85C (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85C_Pic01.jpg)
MT-85D Coming soon - ETC gun, way cooler turret, more cool eye-candy, and some cool stuff like improved armour!
Specifications for original MT-85
Top Speed, Service: 45.56mph
Top Speed, Sprint: 52.7mph
Armament: 1x 120mm Gun K115
1x 12.7mm MG V60
1x 7.62mm MG KGT
1x Miera III ATGM
Engines: Main engine, McCraw 760d Twin-Turbocharger V8, 1780bhp
Auxiliary engine, Meka 2-cylinder, 35bhp
Armour: Chobham/Depleted Uranium, Steel-Encased
Weight, Combat: 60.3 tons
Other specifications soon to come/not released
Variants:
-MT-85B: Improved breech and autoloader, new shape turret and hull, crew survivability improvements, communications improvements, 30mm co-axial cannon, missile countermeasures devices
-MT-85C: New black eagle-style autoloader, integrated NERA armour blocks, Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) circuitry (Pinched idea from Lyras, hope he doesn't mind) on core operational/defence systems, new version of cannon
-ACP-90 SPG: uses same hull.
-MTE-85R : Recovery variant of the MT-85 chassis, with armour identical to latest MT-85 model. No turret, replaced instead with heavy crane, boom, and winch for heavy armoured recovery role. Armament is a small one-man turret with a 30mm Minicannon, usually a .30 KGM/.50 V60 carried too, and sometimes a Miera III ATGM launcher rather than MG
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The MT-1 had been the main Antigran MBT since when the word was first used, in the '60s. The newer Antigran MBT, the Kraker, was a good tank but not overly satisfactory in all roles but defence.
In short, the tanks were getting a teeny bit old or unsatisfactory, and so naturally a replacement was the course to go down.
This was in the 1990's, mid, and other nation's tanks had started to emerge - good, yes, but several were...impractical, to sum it up. 85 tons? Twin 203mm main guns? What a load of rubbish. Imagine the kind of problems that would have.
A conventional design was chosen, with a 120mm main gun with chromed breech - about as far as you can sensibly go - and two machine-guns for armament.
An autoloader was chosen for the tank, bringing the crew down to three. It is not a detachable device, but part of the system can be swung away so a shell can be manually loaded. It is controlled by the centralised armament computer, which controls all aspects of the armament from a computer accesible to gunner and commander with ease.
Most of the vehicle's computers are centralised in the sense that they are mounted in a central location and control all aspects of the element they are related to. Of course, all these have a manual emergency override, plus a button that disengages the computer completely.
The centralised computers are engines, armament, communications, countermeasures, and command.
An inspirational feature of other tanks of today are their increased crew usability. Like Lyras, it was decided to include a 'refreshment station', which provide hot and cold water, coffee/tea, and another hot/cold beverage of choice. This, of course, has practical as well as leisure uses.
Safety and survivability are more and more important in the increasingly lethal modern battlefield. Fireproof bulkheads seperate the main engine (rear) fighting compartment (central) and driving (front) compartments, all have a special fireproof wheel-operated door.
A total of nine halon-replacement fire extinguishers are mounted throughout the vehicle, four automatics in the engine bay, an automatic in the fireproofed APU bay next to the driver, a manual next to the driver, an automatic in the turret, another manual in the turret and a manual in the fighting compartment hull. The water supply for refreshments can, in an emergency, be fed into a small pressure hose reel, powered by electrics, that sprays tiny droplets so every tiny bit of water is made to count.
The NBC system doubles as the air-conditioning unit, and is manually operated, unless sensors are able to detect poisonous gas in the tank (not including the engine compartment, where unfiltered exhaust fumes may escape the exhaust outtake and cause false alarms.
50 120mm shells are carried, some in the bustle ready for the 'loader, some more in the central hull just beneath the turret - seven of them in the turret cage - and quite a few on the opposite side of the APU, with the driver in the middle.
For the roof-mounted V60 .50, (which can be remotely operated by computer and can be supplied with open-topped 'turret') 1300 rounds are carried in the bustle, and the KGM GPMG has 5500 rounds stored next to it.
Most of the time, A Miera III ATGM is fitted too, with seven reloads.
For the computers, toughened LCD screens replaced conventional CRTs to save some considerable space, and the interior is lit by low energy bulkhead lights. Each computer has a navigation wheel and click button, plus buttons that correspond to on-screen writing, like a cellular phone.
The driver has simple controls - a pedal to make the tank go, and a lever each side.
To go in a straight line, these aren't touched, but pushing one forward will make the opposite track to it brake, to turn the vehicle. If the vehicle is stationary, it automatically steers by acceleration instead. The dashboard is kind of like the kind found in a car, for friendliness and familiarity, with a seperate panel relating to the APU to his left.
The main engine is quite big for a tank this weight and size, but it only manages an average speed. This is because it is designed for better acceleration and performance than speed, which helps a lot considering the speed is still an average but highly respectable 45 and a half mph.
Armour consists of half chobham and half depleted uranium, chobham on top.
ERA blocks were considered, but these were thought a risk to anyone around it so NERA was used instead, in applique kits.
In 1999, an upgrade package was designed, or rather a new version, the MT-85B. Instead of the KGT GPMG, a 30mm 'MiniCannon' was fitted, with 2000 rounds - the same capacity was added for the V60 .50 cal. A heck of a lot, but a new turret shape and more space-saving made this possible. The 30mm is individually aimed and elevated, and the mantle is static for armour integrity.
Missile countermeasures include a laser dazzler and detector which automatically activates the dazzler.
Also fitted where grenade-launchers, aimable individually to twenty-five degrees, interior-loaded, and able to fire chaff, illumination, high-explosive, and high-explosive incendiary.
An improved version of the autoloader was fitted as well as better bulkheads and the Antigran ICDS - Inter-vehicle Communications and Data-transfer System, allowing computer and instant radio communications with any other army fighting vehicle.
Also was a slight modification to the main gun for depleted uranium shells.
Then in early 2006 came the MT-85C, still called the Marauder, which had a newer, more reliable cannon with chromed breech and better rate of fire, and an autoloader that is completely detachable by pulling two levers - albeit with some force. When it is detached, it sits just a bit rearward of it's standard position, alowing shells to be manually loaded just like a regular 120mm. It is equipped with magazines for each type of shell, and these are identified by barcode by the armament computer, which can not only feed a different shell type at the touch of a button, but do it in 3.2 seconds. But that's not the best bit. Like the black eagle, it is isolated from the crew. Also new is the new turret, with NERA blocks as standard, also standard on the hull, though not seen in the pic, plus Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) circuitry (Lyras, you got fantastic ideas) on core defence and operational systems only, making them EMP-resistant.
Opinions? (bear in mind history is going to come soon, so set your ratings higher)
Updated! (Chrissake, leave feedback!)
Does no-one have a damn opinion?!
bump and/or reserved
Let's hear it for the word and/or!
Colstream
15-11-2007, 19:25
MT-85 'Marauder'
Image: MT-85 (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85_Pic01.jpg)
Image: MT-85B (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85B_Pic01.jpg)
Image: MT-85C (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85C_Pic01.jpg)
Specifications for original MT-85
Top Speed: 45.56mph
Armament: 1x 120mm Gun K115
1x 12.7mm MG V60
1x 7.62mm MG KGT
1x Miera III ATGM
Engines: Main engine, McCraw 760d Twin-Turbocharger V8, 1780bhp
Auxiliary engine, Meka 2-cylinder, 35bhp
Armour: Chobham/Depleted Uranium, Steel-Encased
Weight, Combat: 60.3 tons
Other specifications soon to come/not released
Variants:
-MT-85B: Improved breech and autoloader, new shape turret and hull, crew survivability improvements, communications improvements, 30mm co-axial cannon, missile countermeasures devices
-MT-85C: New black eagle-style autoloader, integrated NERA armour blocks, Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) circuitry (Pinched idea from Lyras, hope he doesn't mind) on core operational/defence systems, new version of cannon
-ACP-90 SPG - uses same hull.
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The TAR-1 had been the main Antigran MBT since when the word was first used, in the '60s.
In short, the tank was getting a teeny bit old, and so naturally a replacement was the course to go down.
This was in the 1990's, mid, and other nation's tanks had started to emerge - good, yes, but several were...impractical, to sum it up. 85 tons? Twin 203mm main guns? What a load of rubbish. Imagine the kind of problems that would have.
A conventional design was chosen, with a 120mm main gun with chromed breech - about as far as you can sensibly go - and two machine-guns for armament.
An autoloader was chosen for the tank, bringing the crew down to three. It is not a detachable device, but part of the system can be swung away so a shell can be manually loaded. It is controlled by the centralised armament computer, which controls all aspects of the armament from a computer accesible to gunner and commander with ease.
Most of the vehicle's computers are centralised in the sense that they are mounted in a central location and control all aspects of the element they are related to. Of course, all these have a manual emergency override, plus a button that disengages the computer completely.
The centralised computers are engines, armament, communications, countermeasures, and command.
An inspirational feature of other tanks of today are their increased crew usability. Like Lyras, it was decided to include a 'refreshment station', which provide hot and cold water, coffee/tea, and another hot/cold beverage of choice. This, of course, has practical as well as leisure uses.
Safety and survivability are more and more important in the increasingly lethal modern battlefield. Fireproof bulkheads seperate the main engine (rear) fighting compartment (central) and driving (front) compartments, all have a special fireproof wheel-operated door.
A total of nine halon-replacement fire extinguishers are mounted throughout the vehicle, four automatics in the engine bay, an automatic in the fireproofed APU bay next to the driver, a manual next to the driver, an automatic in the turret, another manual in the turret and a manual in the fighting compartment hull. The water supply for refreshments can, in an emergency, be fed into a small pressure hose reel, powered by electrics, that sprays tiny droplets so every tiny bit of water is made to count.
The NBC system doubles as the air-conditioning unit, and is manually operated, unless sensors are able to detect poisonous gas in the tank (not including the engine compartment, where unfiltered exhaust fumes may escape the exhaust outtake and cause false alarms.
50 120mm shells are carried, some in the bustle ready for the 'loader, some more in the central hull just beneath the turret - seven of them in the turret cage - and quite a few on the opposite side of the APU, with the driver in the middle.
For the roof-mounted V60 .50, (which can be remotely operated by computer and can be supplied with open-topped 'turret') 1300 rounds are carried in the bustle, and the KGM GPMG has 5500 rounds stored next to it.
Most of the time, A Miera III ATGM is fitted too, with seven reloads.
For the computers, toughened LCD screens replaced conventional CRTs to save some considerable space, and the interior is lit by low energy bulkhead lights. Each computer has a navigation wheel and click button, plus buttons that correspond to on-screen writing, like a cellular phone.
The driver has simple controls - a pedal to make the tank go, and a lever each side.
To go in a straight line, these aren't touched, but pushing one forward will make the opposite track to it brake, to turn the vehicle. If the vehicle is stationary, it automatically steers by acceleration instead. The dashboard is kind of like the kind found in a car, for friendliness and familiarity, with a seperate panel relating to the APU to his left.
The main engine is quite big for a tank this weight and size, but it only manages an average speed. This is because it is designed for better acceleration and performance than speed, which helps a lot considering the speed is still an average but highly respectable 45 and a half mph.
Armour consists of half chobham and half depleted uranium, chobham on top.
ERA blocks were considered, but these were thought a risk to anyone around it so NERA was used instead, in applique kits.
In 1999, an upgrade package was designed, or rather a new version, the MT-85B. Instead of the KGT GPMG, a 30mm 'MiniCannon' was fitted, with 2000 rounds - the same capacity was added for the V60 .50 cal. A heck of a lot, but a new turret shape and more space-saving made this possible. The 30mm is individually aimed and elevated, and the mantle is static for armour integrity.
Missile countermeasures include a laser dazzler and detector which automatically activates the dazzler.
Also fitted where grenade-launchers, aimable individually to twenty-five degrees, interior-loaded, and able to fire chaff, illumination, high-explosive, and high-explosive incendiary.
An improved version of the autoloader was fitted as well as better bulkheads and the Antigran ICDS - Inter-vehicle Communications and Data-transfer System, allowing computer and instant radio communications with any other army fighting vehicle.
Then in early 2006 came the MT-85C, still called the Marauder, which had a newer, more reliable cannon with chromed breech and better rate of fire, and an autoloader that is completely detachable by pulling two levers - albeit with some force. When it is detached, it sits just a bit rearward of it's standard position, alowing shells to be manually loaded just like a regular 120mm. It is equipped with magazines for each type of shell, and these are identified by barcode by the armament computer, which can not only feed a different shell type at the touch of a button, but do it in 3.2 seconds. But that's not the best bit. Like the black eagle, it is isolated from the crew. Also new is the new turret, with NERA blocks as standard, also standard on the hull, though not seen in the pic, plus Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) circuitry (Lyras, you got fantastic ideas) on core defence and operational systems only, making them EMP-resistant.
To Antigr:
Can i buy 50 MT-85Bs and 50 MT-85Cs to relace some of my out of date M51s which have been used for 30 years. Also have you got any MLRS vehicles?
We are not in the process of selling these officially, so we'll have to haggle a price, albeit one higher than the price the government pays to the factory.
We will sell the MT-85 and -85B (without 30mm cannon) but the -85C...it's either blackmail or an awful lot of money.
For haggling a price...well, for the -85B, without cannon...they will be very expensive, as, again, we're not officially selling them. How about you come up with a price to haggle from - for each.
You should also bear in mind that you'll have to replace the autoloader, which has unique measures to prevent rechambering, and no other tank munition is like the rounds fired in shape. The gun is also not compatible, and there will be lots of features - such as the ICDS and almost all communications equipment, as well as a lot of command and countermeasures systems will be not compatible with almost anything you have, rendering them extra money for no reason. We are willing to let you have one MT-85C, supplied with 13000 rounds of each type of ammunition for cannon, grenade dischargers, and MG. 130 rounds supplied for main gun.
As for MLRS - we have the SLRA, mounted on a lengthened MSV-30 MIFV with the final drive from a Kraker III light tank. (Want to see the original Kraker? Good tank, made by me. Go to the UEMS storefront, link in sig, and look in tanks section) All these vehicles to come soon, but not yet.
Colstream
15-11-2007, 19:47
We are not in the process of selling these officially, so we'll have to haggle a price, albeit one higher than the price the government pays to the factory.
We will sell the MT-85 and -85B (without 30mm cannon) but the -85C...it's either blackmail or an awful lot of money.
For haggling a price...well, for the -85B, without cannon...they will be very expensive, as, again, we're not officially selling them. How about you come up with a price to haggle from - for each.
To Antigr:
The Republic Of Colstream wishes to pay 90 Million-100 Million per MT-85B. Is that OK? We can pay up to 110 Million per unit but that is half of our budget gone but we need MLRS Vehicles as well.
95 million is fine. (Notes the Leopard IIs on sale at UEMS for around 5 million each). Is that 50 or 100? Do you want the lone -85C?
The -85B do not come with NERA as standard. Any copying will be noticed and we will let you know that we know. You'll be surprised what our Intelligence services know.
I'm afraid the SLRA will have to wait 'til friday at least.
And we don't officially sell them either, and provide your own missiles...
Colstream
16-11-2007, 14:35
95 million is fine. (Notes the Leopard IIs on sale at UEMS for around 5 million each). Is that 50 or 100? Do you want the lone -85C?
The -85B do not come with NERA as standard. Any copying will be noticed and we will let you know that we know. You'll be surprised what our Intelligence services know.
I'm afraid the SLRA will have to wait 'til friday at least.
And we don't officially sell them either, and provide your own missiles...
The money has been paid to you immediately. We won't do anything to them. We just need them to modernise our Divisions.
Alversia
16-11-2007, 14:53
Would it be possible to purchase a license for the MT-85 Marauder?
This ain't a storefront (except for the pistols on sale). I will sell a small - very small - quantity of some other stuff to some allies which are very carefully picked. However, even to allies, I will not sell licences. This is an armoury, which means it mainly exists for others to provide feedback. Apart from stuff for sale, it is not a storefront.
NO LICENCES OR RIGHTS. IT CLEARLY SAYS SO IN TERMS AND CONDITIONS. READ THEM. I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE JUST PLAINLY DON'T BOTHER TO TAKE A LOOK.
KRAKER
UPDATE: Retail version replaced by Kraker IIUE, see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11876343&postcount=1035)
This was a tank that was used by the Antigran Federal Forces for a period of two years, 1986 to 1988.
Some flaws were found in it that resulted in it's replacement - the Marauder. It was mainly because it went far beyond many guidelines and was too heavy - however, it was overall still a fairly good vehicle. After three years of sitting in their sheds, they were finally to be used again for base defence and other defensive purposes where weight is not a concern, only firepower and armour. Some changes were made to 'modernise' them, which made them fairly well-loved.
For the full write up see [note - link defunct] It is the version as sold to UEMS StoreFront, where the write-up is, and it can be purchased here, at this armoury, for the same price. However, for production rights you will have to go to UEMS due to legalities on our end.
It is the original Kraker - the Kraker II was a failed project and the Kraker III (qv) a Light Tank.
Opinions and feedback most welcome.
Alversia
17-11-2007, 22:05
This ain't a storefront (except for the pistols on sale). I will sell a small - very small - quantity of some other stuff to some allies which are very carefully picked. However, even to allies, I will not sell licences. This is an armoury, which means it mainly exists for others to provide feedback. Apart from stuff for sale, it is not a storefront.
NO LICENCES OR RIGHTS. IT CLEARLY SAYS SO IN TERMS AND CONDITIONS. READ THEM. I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE JUST PLAINLY DON'T BOTHER TO TAKE A LOOK.
Sorry, my mistake, Mate
SOON TO COME!
Kraker III Light Tank
MSV-30 MIFV
MVC Series of APCs and variants
SLRA - 'Salvo Launch Rocket Artillery' - Our very own MLRS!
GPL Jeep
GPM Truck
GPL Truck
R-Series of Support and Utility Vehicles
CA3 Armoured Car
And more! Keep your eye on this spot and don't go away!
Honestly, there's more to come!
GPL 'Jeep'
Image (Standard Configuration) (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/GPL_Pic01.jpg)
Latest version
Top Speed: 115mph
Armament: 7.62mm KGM as standard, adaptable and variable
Armour: None
Engine: One McCraw 3.0 Litre CommonRail Flat-6 Deisel, 223bhp
The project for what was to become the GPL 'Jeep' - GPL standing for General Purpose, Light, and the 'Jeep' nickname being a corruption of 'GP', 'General Purpose' - was initiated way back in 1979. The vehicle has seen considerable upgrades since then.
The military joint forces requirement was for a light vehicle which was powerful for it's size, able to tow a 105mm light gun with ease, an ability to carry at least a half-squad, and provision for considerable modification and weapon variations, and reliability. In a light vehicle built for agility, armour was not a considerable issue.
The requirement was taken up by Antigran automobile-making group McCraw Automotive Manufacturing, RGtd. Their initial design was heavily inspired by the American Willys 'Jeep' of the same nickname.
The finalised prototype, soon to be adopted as the Jeep proper, had a 121 horsepower commercial McCraw petrol engine of 3.7 litres and a straight-four cylinder arrangement.
Standard was a seven-speed manual gearbox with high and low range. It was powerful enough, but not overly so as was preferred. However, it was reliable, and cases have been reported where upon cannon shells have passed through the engine bay from overhead and a combat engineer with only basic toolbox tools was able to get it working in one hour.
Two seats are in the front, driver and passenger, with three side-facing seats in the rear, one left and two right. The space that would be taken by a fourth seat next to the solitary left rear seat was replaced by two lockable storage lockers with a hardened top that allowed weights of 200kg to be placed on top. A pedastal can be mounted here so that a machine gunner could operate through the removable tarpaulin, through a flap. This pedastal could take the weight of twin Miera III ATGM launchers, loaded, and easily.
The pedastal was later on replaced by a bar that ran up to roof level, then went across the width of the vehicle and down again, which acted as a permanent mounting for the tarp rather than poles that fell over. The weapon mount hinge was put on top.
A hatch could also be cut in the passenger seat's area of the roof next to the driver, with a ring mount. This has been widely chosen.
Two horizontal bars were placed across each side of the rear area of the vehicle so that things could be tied there and MGs mounted.
Also was the facility to detach and/or fold seats to create a flat-ish load area. A definition of General-Purpose.
The vehicle has permanent 4-wheel-drive and is regarded as one of the best cars available for off-road use, due to it's light weight, good gear ratios, 4 wheel drive, and torque. The original 121hp had a top speed of 88mph, a good figure. However, the military did not want good, they wanted insanely powerful. It was to be a multirole vehicle and needed to be able to pull a 105mm at 40mph.
So, in 1987, a new engine was fitted, a 3.3 litre four-pot deisel engine, 167 horses, with inline cylinders and a helluvalotta torque. More so than the petrol, at least.
It also came with weapons kits for mounting yet more weapons and a top speed of 99.7mph.
17 years later, and the army had gone insane. Again. They wanted 155mm and two hundred horses. McCraw was patient - just - and picked an engine from it's civilian market - the highly successful 3-litre six-pot flat-cylinder (horizontally opposed, exact opposites) CommonRail deisel engine with 223 brake horsepower. It has a limited top speed of 115mph and a proper top speed of 127. In a military Jeep? You heard it here first. The Willys had 67 horspepower and the humvee is a tad underpowered for it' size. However, this GPL Jeep is on par with mid-to-high range civilian saloon ('Sedan' for all you yanks and aussies) cars, and that's definately a statement.
The engine was now almost shellproof, in a sense, shock-mounted and sweet-revving. A new six-stroke engine project is been thought of, but this would be impractical and expensive.
Besides, the troops are quite happy with their army sports cars under a 4x4 off-roader disguise.
Pic up'd. Have to wait for history.
Article fully complete. Opinions please. Considering selling a few.
Even if you've just clicked this page by accident, please leave feedback. Thank you.
Opinions? Sales requests? Praise? Just saying that you visited?
The Royal Code
23-11-2007, 20:25
To the nation of Antigr,
The Allied States of The Royal Code is in search of new infantry weapons. We are looking to replace our entire ground arsenel, but most importantly, we're looking for a new primary infantry combat weapon. We would very much like to see some of your nation's fine weapons entered into the pool to qualify for an unlimited or limited contract. This is the thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543769)
Thanks for reading,
-ASRC Command Staff
Unfortunately, Royal Code, this is an armoury thread and only the designated products - see first post - are officially on sale. We are not in the process of handing out rights of any sort to anyone, as this is not a storefront. Sorry to dissapoint you.
Stuff coming this weekend at the latest. Maybe tonight. Keep an eye on this spot.
New KKS45 pic coming soon.
Space reserved for ACP-90 Artillery system
Sorry for lack of new stuff - guaranteed this weekend
Ay ay ay...2 weeks since the last stuff...anyway, look forward to tommorow for a new write-up!
Finally!
ACP-90
Image, SPG and Supply Vehicle, original formats (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/ACP-90_Pic01-1.jpg)
Statistics refer to latest version, SPG
Armament: 1x155mm MzH7 Dual-Purpose Gun, Twin V60-T .50 HMG, 40mm Launchers
Top Speed: 41.6mph
Engines: Main: 980hp McCraw Rotary Deisel APU: 28hp SCi4 Deisel
Weight: 40.92 Tons
Armour: Kevlar, Chobham, NERA, thickness unknown
Crew: 4
1997. A good year for artillery. The new version of the MzH7 towed howitzer was entering service, the mortars were finally starting to work, and they found that 41.5cm railguns worked against armour.
However, SPG territory was old and haunted. It had a 105mm open-turreted gun on a tank chassis which couldn't really mantain integrity with the gun on top and was kinda crap. That was the standard-issue.
Yay, a new design.
The 155mm Dual-Purpose MzH7 gun was chosen - it was a bit small, but had anti-armour capabilities and would be working alongside 8-inch pieces.
The gun was worked by a semi-automatic loader and power rammer, allowing fair loading speeds at up to a 63 degree angle. The gun elevates to a maximum of 67 degrees, and depresses to -5.
Secondary armament is, on the latest batch, twin V60-T .50 calibre heavy machine-guns, with a combined RoF of 740rpm at maximum.
The hull and turret are home to several internally-loaded semi-automatic 40mm grenade launchers, firing HE, Anti-Personnel, Flechettes, AT, Heat, HE-Incendiary, Smoke, and Chaff.
The latter two are automatically fired in emergencies by the onboard centralised countermeasures computer, which also controls a laser dazzler.4
Armour is NERA, Chobham, and Kevlar, in that order from externally in.
Ammunition is stored in drums, different types get their own drum, and are mechanically switched by the loading system.
Large access doors in the turret bustle and left side allow for rapid ammunition/general purpose entry and service/reloading, and the 980hp McCraw Rotary Deisel engine is at the rear. A rotary engine was chosen due to it's compact size, and is actually three rotary engines linked together to make nine 'cylinders' - a rotary engine has no cylinders, but rather triangular spaces.
A seven-speed automatic gearbox is included, two reverse and seven forward gears. Like the Marauder - the hull of which it shares - the driving position is made to be familiar and friendly (well, as friendly as artillery gets). The same fire supression and crew survivability/comfort systems are carried over from the Marauder, with the same computer systems too.
The Gun is 55-calibre (note: picture may not refelct this, I am stuck with MS paint for drawing and did not include dimension stats for this very reason) and has performance very similar to the South African G6, firing HE, AP, HE-I, HE-Base Bleed, HE-Rocket Propelled, the same two equivalents in AP and HEAT, plus a guided missile.
The supply carrier version, ACP-90S, has a turret of 1 .50 calibre and 1 .30 calibre machine guns, later replaced by 30mm 'minicannon' and 1 .30 cal. It carries 57 shells of standard Antigran 155mm and these are loaded into the turret bustle - where the ammunition is kept - by hydraulic system. This can be done in an NBC contaminated environment.
The vehicle has a dozer blade and recoil spades, both retractable and externally-mounted, and when firing the suspension, road wheels, and other moving ground-contact parts are locked. They can all be rapidly unlocked in 2.3 seconds for emergencies.
More to come
Well, just gotta keep bumpin' then.
United Earthlings
13-12-2007, 10:15
For the full write up see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11876343&postcount=1035). It is the version as sold to UEMS StoreFront, where the write-up is, and it can be purchased here, at this armoury, for the same price. However, for production rights you will have to go to UEMS due to legalities on our end.
It is the original Kraker - the Kraker II was a failed project and the Kraker III (qv) a Light Tank.
I got some bad news and some good news for you.
Bad news first: The original Kraker is officially dead and I killed it. As such, I will no longer be producing the Kraker.
Good news: The Kraker II is no longer a failed project. It has been reborn as the Kraker IIUE. In case you weren't aware, a few months ago I put my Earth series of main battle tanks through a series of upgrade programs. Those very programs have now been applied to the Kraker. Starting with a new hull, all that experience that went into designing and building the Earth II/III series of tanks was applied to the Kraker II. Congratulations, you now have a new Main Battle Tank and it's one mean nasty fighting machine that won't take shit from nobody. :p
Unfortunately, due to the higher costs in manufacturing the new tank I had to raise the price a little to $6 million USD. I also, added some new information to the post. See link for yourself to see all the things I added or changed. A few things I think you'll like better about this new tank is that it now has greater range, a higher top speed and a lower combat weight to boot.
One more thing-I'm now expecting 40% of the profit per tank sold instead of the 15%.
So, I think it's time for you to update your records. :D
In closing, Your Welcome
Nice. Linky? Profit thing is fine, thanks to Nationstates I'm getting all my money from gold under privately-owned lakes.
Okay, link to it here. inally got off me arse and found it.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11876343&postcount=1035
I wish all my bumps were write-ups...
Anyway, TWO big things coming for the weekend!
MT-85D Marauder
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/MT-85D_Pic01.jpg)
For unmentioned statistics, see the original MT-85 Marauder Write-up. All statistics not mentioned are either classified or the same as the MT-85C
Armament: 1x120mm ETC Gun K312, 2x12.7mm MG V60, 1x30mm 'Minicannon' Mk.5, 1xMiera III ATGM
Weight, Combat: 61.7 tons
Top Speed, Service: 44.6mph
Top Speed, Sprint: 51.6mph
The MT-85D is the latest revision of the MT-85 'Marauder' platform, and includes a revised turret, slightly lower hull, and lots of armament and internal improvements.
A paramount new feature is the new K312 main gun, a 120mm again but this time incorporating Flashboard Large Area Emitter-type ETC technology. New rounds have been introduced to work with this gun and the same types of shells fired in the K115 - the gun of the MT-85C and below - are present. The gun also has a thermal sleeve as standard.
A 'turret' for the V60 roof-mounted machine gun (now a twin V60 mount to take advanatge of the large amounts of .50 carried) is fitted as standard, with bulletproof tinted glass to the front and sides.
All other features of the MT-85C remain, except for new felxible polymer-printed LCD screens and an improved toilet system, as well as a new mark of the prized 30mm co-axial 'minicannon', a cannon specifically designed for armoured vehicle mounts and compactness. It is more reliable, and, despite it's compact size, cooling has been brought up to full-size standards.
Better fire-suppresion systems have been introduced, with dedicated tanks, and better NBC protection has been brought in.
Also new is the integrated all-round NERA armour - because of it's non-explosive nature, it was decided that blocks could be made for curves and have been integrated with the armour so it looks just like regular steel. Although areas of the tank which tend to be hit most still have add-on armour as well. Thicker turret-top armour is present, as well as a thicker kevlar spall liner.
Some titanium has been mixed in with the chobham armour and the engine grilles have thinner holes and are now armoured.
Slat armour is also seen regularly but remains an add-on, as is the less-common ERA. These tanks started to enter service in March 2007 and large efforts are been made to replace the MT-85s and -85Bs, although -85Cs are considered still fairly up-to-date and their replacement is not seen to be as urgent.
Opinions? If any allies o' mine are out there, feel free to ask for a few...
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OOC:
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new stuff tommorow and saturday
bump for now
SLRA Mk.III
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/SLRS_RocketSystem_Pic01.jpg)
Top Speed: 42mph
Weight, Combat, Missiles Loaded: 27.4 Tons
Armament: 1x20-Tube Rocket Launcher, 1x30mm MiniCannon, 1x7.62mm KGM-T GPMG
Engines: Main, 1x600hp McCraw Agility3 V6 Diesel, APU, 1x25hp Vaughn L3B 2-Cylinder
Crew: 4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Bombardier [Essentially a 2nd Gunner])
The SLRA, or Salvo Launch Rocket Artillery, is the Antigran name for a specific vehicle, known to the rest of the world as MLRS, or Multiple Launch Rocket System.
The SLRA is sometimes also called the SLRS, in which the last word is 'system' instead of 'artillery'. This appears to be where the word is accidentally mized with 'MLRS'.
This system is based on a lengthened MCV-30 'Raider' MIFV chassis, with one road wheel added on each side and a strengthened chassis construction, with thicker steel. It has the same engine, a McCraw V6 Diesel producing 600hp, and a 25hp APU which can power the launch systems and safety and computer systems with the main engine switched off. The engine provides a top speed of 40-42mph.
Armament, primarily, is a 20-tube box-shaped rocket launcher on the latest version, the Mk.III. The only changes between marks was the armament and crew, with 10 tubes and 6 crew on the Mk.I to 16 tubes and 5 crew on the Mk.II, to the current version with the aforementioned 20 tubes and 4 crew, thanks to higher automation and better loading facilities.
Secondary armament is a 30mm MiniCannon Mk.IIE, as fitted in prototype MT-85C and MT-85D Marauder MBTs, with a fully independent .30 calibre KGM-T GPMG to the left. Thse are operated by the Commander and Bombardier (essentially a 2nd Gunner).
Armour is basic but sufficient in most cases, with, from the inside out, a Kevlar spall liner, Chobham Composite, and NERA, the latter common but not standard-fit. Like the Marauders, it has centralised computers - see Marauder write-ups.
The vehicle has three fireproof and armoured bulkheads which split the vehicle into four sections - the bow section, with main engine and driver, the fighting compartment, with the armament systems, left rear, with ammunition storage, and right rear, with APU and fuel.
The SLRA a.k.a. SLRS entered service in 1987, the Mk.II a year later, and the current Mk.III in 1990.
The standard multipurpose missile fired has a capability of completely flattening just about a hectare - just one missile, not all 20 - and the SLRA has NBC capability, both firing and defence.
It also has a 'refreshment station' as seen in several other recent Antigran AFVs.
Colstream
05-01-2008, 15:11
To Antigr:
I got your Telegram. Could i have 50 of the SLRA MkIII and i will pay any price.
Prices are 10 million USD each, which amounts to 500 million USD. Each vehicle is shipped fully loaded with 20 general-purpose missiles and 3000 rounds of ammunition each (6000 rounds in total) for the other weaponry.
A further 20 General-Purpose missiles and 6000 rounds will cost 1.5 million. (yes, missiles are expensive)
Other missile types are not on sale. Feel free to create your own missiles for them, however your missiles, our missiles or ammunition, and the vehicles, are not for resale.
Thank you for doing business with us.
Colstream
05-01-2008, 22:19
Ok thats a good price. The sum of 501.5 million has been sent immediately.
Crookfur
05-01-2008, 23:16
OOC:
Any actual details on the rockets used, i.e. sizes, ranges, weights, guidance modes or any of the other things that describe a rocket?
Why on earth has this got a 30mm gun? Oh and 3000 rounds of 30mm is the load for a warship. For a vehicle it would max out at about 1000 rounds or so for a dedicated air defence platform. Again soem detail on the 30mm Minicannon would be nice
Crookfur: Good observation, but it doesn't say that 3000 rounds are stored in the vehicle usually. It's just shipped with some crates of it.
These missiles are about half the size, and thus about half the capability of the M270's rockets, but almost as long with better range...(Actually, I'm a fairly crap designer. Look how late I caught on to the ETC trend. Anyway, missile/rocket designs are pretty much uncharted territory for me, so I rely on comparisons, such as the M270. If you can help me with this area, it'd be appreciated)
30mm cannon because I want to make it more able to operate well at the front line.
The 'minicannon' is, well...just a regular cannon. Except gone as small as a 30mm can go. of course, small size has problems, such as barrel wear and barrel ife and such, and I'm accepting that. Titanium barrel, to make up for strength loss and so the barrel isn't so heavy it warps. What I've actually done is fit a 30mm in a short 20mm and tried to make up for it, partially successfully.
Crookfur
07-01-2008, 21:12
Oops my bad.
I'll start with the gun as it is easier.
About the smallest you can make a 30mm gun (well unless you want to drop down a 30mm grenade launcher like the AGS-17) would be soemthing on par with the ASP-30 or the M230-LF and since you can mount those quite happily on a Hummer or M-113 pintle mount they should be usable on juts about any armoured vehilce and you don't really have to make any major sacrafices.
On the rockets, half the diameter would likely give you about 25% of the payload off the top of my head if you wanted to keep rnages the same. These rockets would be roughly analogous with the SS-30 rocket for ASTORS-II http://www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/ (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/)or the Isrealli LAR-160 http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/artillery/lar/LAR.html
...in that case I'll make my missiles bigger, but with the said capabilities in the write-up I'msure I can still fit 20 on a vehicle.
okay, all the bumps may be dissapointing, but surprises at the weekend...
Crapooza
17-01-2008, 20:07
would you like to join my new thread? it is about the PM being executed and a fanatic religious government being set up.
I'll think about it, but why the hell are you posting this here?! TG me or something!
Name changed! Thanks, mods
Kraker III Light Tank
Image (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/NS_Antigr/KrakerIII_Pic01.jpg)
Top Speed: 56mph
Armament: 1x90mm Gun K203/90mm ETC Gun K345, 1x V60-T .50 HMG, 1xMiera III ATGM
Crew: 3 (Driver, Commander, Gunner)
Weight, Combat: 21.7 Tons
Engines: Main; 1x500hp Hurken Rotary Diesel, APU; 1x 20hp McCraw Diesel
Antigran Classification: LTAM (Light Tank Air-droppable Missile-carrying)
The Kraker III emerged in 1990 as part of the Armed Forces' new modernisation scheme, and design/prototype stage was from '86 to '90. It was designed to be light and fast, rather than able to stand up to enemy tanks, although it was retrofitted with a Miera III ATGM external mount, which could be remotely operated from within the tank.
Main gun is a 90mm smoothbore weapon, with a chromed breech and ability to fire APDSFS, HE, HEI, HESH (although not often used due to the smoothbore nature of the gun), HEAT, Smoke, Illumination, DPICM, HVAP, DUFS, and Blank shells. In 1998-1999 the gun, designation K203, was replaced by the K345 - an exact replica but for thermal sleeve and FLARE ETC firing. It fired the same range of shells.
Secondary weapons are the Miera III ATGM and the classic V60-T HMG, a turret-mounted weapon which could be remotely operated.
Like almost all Antigran AFVs of late, the Kraker III uses centralised computer systems to manage the vehicle, and has the same range of crew amenities such as a refreshment station and comfortabler-than-average seats. The NBC pack doubles as climate control.
Armour consists of, from inside out, a Kevlar spall liner, a DU sheet (although quite thin to mantain lightness), mixed steel/aluminium (also fairly thin), and integrated NERA blocks. Finally, although not-standard-fit items, extra NERA panels are usually mounted on rails on hull and turret, and sometimes mounted behind the rails (a more complicated but equally workable fit) to make way for slat armour in front. Engine grilles are covered by fully openable slat armour as standard.
Countermeasures are controlled by the centralised countermeasures computer, and consist of laser detector/dazzler system, chaff/smoke grenades which can be fired from the internally-aimable grenade launcher banks, and of course the slat/NERA static armour.
Safety consists of the standard two fire- and shock-proof bulkhead divisions, which split the tank into the rear section, housing engine and some fuel, fighting compartment/turret, and front, which has the driver, APU, and ammunition. The three-bulkhead system which seperates APU and ammunition/driver was considered but not applied for weight reasons. There is two automatic halon-replacement fire extinguishers in the driver's compartment over the ammunition and APU, one in the turret roof spraying down, two in the main engine compartment, and two manuals, one in the turret and one on the driver's side of the forward bulkhead wall.
Main engine is a Hurken Diesel. 500hp may sound unfeasable in a tank this size, but the engine is of the cylinderless rotary type, which is very compact. APU is a conventional McCraw diesel producing 20hp.
The tank is very light and air-droppable with the crew inside. Drivetrain and other movement-associated parts are optomised for high speed (as the kraker III reaches 56mph in it's highest gear), such as the special tracks, but they still wear down quicker than in a slower MBT.
No opinions out there? Putting the light tank for sale!
With TOW ATGM mount rather than Miera III and gun modified for NATO 90mm ammunition/M2HB MG on top
North-Point
24-02-2008, 21:48
All my pics are by me and done in Microsoft Paint. No, none of that fancy-schmancy .png stuff, just an entry-level drawing program.
Anyone asking whether Agrandov or MassPwnage did my pics will offend me because I can be just as good in paint.
OOC: You should save your MSPaint drawings as PNG files; it's lossless and smaller than MSPaint's crappy JPEG output. Also, lots of lineartists use paint, so you shouldn't feel sorry about using it. :P
Oh. Just thought .png files were only made in higher-end illustration and graphic programs.
Cheers, anyhow.
Ustio North
27-03-2008, 21:43
To: Antigran Storefront
Subject: Sabre Mk. II
Ustio North wishes to inquire into the prices of Domestic Production Rights for the Sabre II, Sabre SFR & Sabre Designated Marksman version, to replace the ageing M5A2 Carbine (supplied by UNNA).
I eagerly await your reply
Signed
Paul Jackson,
Ustian Army Commander
Sorry, this is an armoury more than a storefront and we do not sell DPRs. Thank you for your interest.
[How come you found this thread over a month since it was last posted in?]
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Some pics up'd.
SeG-60 Link added.
Ustio North
04-04-2008, 13:25
OOC: You posted in a thread and there's a link in your sig. Easy-peasy.
Damn, I'm getting dumber.