NationStates Jolt Archive

Put your OOC screaming, hollering, and crying in here.

So why are you attacking Cazelia?

OOC: Guys wtf? We're all ni this together? Why are you attacking Cazelia?

Err... I am DEFENDING Tartarystan. So is Steel and Fire, Cazelia is ATTACKING Tartarystan, I am defending him. Ill let you deduce the rest.

Huh wuh? I thought we were all banding together to destroy the Tartars, in that case I'm out.

Aurum Domus, Red Tide is an enemy.

Tartarystan, when you get back on, check your TGs.

Mondoth:

My fleet hasnt arrived at Tartarystan yet... I've only posted setting sail.

PS: Why does your nation keep using the word Chastise? It sounds odd to hear it in (none-facetious) diplomatic messages.

Everybody:

Here are the sides:

Pro-Tartarystan
Tartarystan(obviously)
Red Tide
Steel and Fire
Tocrowkia
Vetalia
Dalnijrus

Anti-Tartarystan
Mondoth
The Lone Alliance
Doxmini

Just Dropped Out
Aurum Domus
Central Prestonia

Dropped Out but is probably going to be smashed anyways
Cazelia

Also, everybody, please note that standard Red Tidean doctrine allows field commanders to authorise the release of chemical weapons in both tactical and strategic situations.

He never said:

'Come out, we've got you surrounded.'

He said:

'We know your massing over there, therefore, we're going over there to smash you BECAUSE your overthere.'

BTW: How many ships/troops are everyone sending? Im doing the math for mine right now.

How did Mondoth get from 'declaring war and conducting diplomatic exchanges' to 'we've got you surrounded come out with your hands on your head'?

He never said:

'Come out, we've got you surrounded.'

He said:

'We know your massing over there, therefore, we're going over there to smash you BECAUSE your overthere.'

BTW: How many ships/troops are everyone sending? Im doing the math for mine right now.

My mistake. I thought the post went 'Mondothian navy has blockaded Tartarystan'.

As for what I'm sending: I'm not going to reveal it publicly—not yet. If you'd like a central database for your own use, AIM or TG me.

EDIT: Dammit, I hate this time warp garbage Jolt's pulling.

Yeah, that time warps annoying.

Anyways, once your ships set sail and head towards Tartarystan, everybody is going to know how many ships your sending due to sattelite reconnassiance.

Anyways, I am sending 644 ships. I know Steel and Fire is sending over 2,000.

Question: Should I care? I don't have the time to sort through the threads. As anyone attacking me?

Statement: I am Pro-Tartarystan, by the by.

I'm waiting for an OK from Tatarystan to send some ships to help him out. I could probably send around 840 or so plus a huge (800,000+) ground commitment in the form of the Vetalian Expeditionary Force.

If he says it's okay, looks like we'll be fighting on the same side, Red Tide. ;)

I'm waiting for an OK from Tatarystan to send some ships to help him out. I could probably send around 840 or so plus a huge (800,000+) ground commitment in the form of the Vetalian Expeditionary Force.

If he says it's okay, looks like we'll be fighting on the same side, Red Tide. ;)

Yeah, ironic aint it.

Maybe we can RP some nationalistic tension inbetween our commanders and/or, when the peace negotiations come, our politicians.

When did I do what now? I've declared war and dispatched a fleet, the advance elements of which are Mojave class stealth cruisers (though I suppose it does look like they've already made it there etc. will clarify in future posts that, like the other fleets so far, we are simply underway at this point)


It looks like I'll be deploying something like 5-10 Regional Battle Fleets under the Ninth Regional Task Group (Task Groups being an organizational/command structure requiring combat elements to be attached to it) That would be between 400 and 1,000 major surface combatants (destroyer size and larger) weighted towards cruisers with a few dreadnoughts floating around (no super caps) and attached marines (working on a ballpark)
I'll try to have specific numbers later this evening, I'm still wading through my ground forces new organization and error checking my Navy's.

Doctrinally, this force will be able to use tactical nuclear weapons in a limited defensive role (mostly against large air formations, esp. bombers, though a small number of anti-SD torpedoes have been released) and will respond in kind to offensive use of chemical weapons with chemical or nuclear weapons on a situational basis.

Biological attacks against Mondoth or Mondothian forces are a great way to increase plate glass exports, we will respond with limited strategic nuclear strikes against military and political targets.

Chastise is Mondothian politico-speke for 'We are Going to do nasty things to you until you realize the error of your ways, and then a little longer just so the point gets across'
words like 'punish' are politically unacceptable.

Tocrowkia: I think actions against you are going to be confined to the FFI thread, whatever happens there will decide whether Mondoth sends forces directly against you or not at least.

Yeah, ironic aint it.

Maybe we can RP some nationalistic tension inbetween our commanders and/or, when the peace negotiations come, our politicians.

It would be like the Potsdam conference.

Doctrinally, biological weapon release can only be authorised by the Defense Minister or General-Secretary, its viewed more as a strategic 'second-strike' weapon rather then a tactical weapon though. Nuclear release can only be authorised by the General-Secretary, and he is rather reluctant to give free-release permission to field commanders unless there has already been a nuclear attack on Red Tidean assets.

Generally, Red Tidean doctrine on nuclear weapons is a 'meet-in-kind' approach. If the other side doesnt use nuclear weapons, then 99.99% of the time, Red Tide will not utilise its nuclear weapons. If the other side utilises nuclear weapons against a tactical target, the Red Tide military(after achieving release permission) will respond with a slightly above-proportional response.

For example, say you nuke one of my divisions(20,000 men) with a 20 kiliton bomb. I will respond by nuking one of your divisions(or equivalent) plus a extra military formation of about 1,000 men.

what's the budget calculator to use these days? NStracker seems to have gone off the air and NS economy index seems to be bugging out.

what's the budget calculator to use these days? NStracker seems to have gone off the air and NS economy index seems to be bugging out.

I use NSDossier:

http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/main.aspx

My fleet is basically far enough from Tartarystan that it'll take us another day or two to get there, but close enough to attack people who are trying to attack us (or our allies). I'm not sure where everyone is in relation to everyone else, so I'll just make groundless assumptions.

Also:

My forces consist of around 2000 ships, of which about 1240 are combat. There are about 2500 carrier-based fixed-wing aircraft, plus about 540 helicopters operating from destroyers. Transports carry 750,000 Army soldiers, along with a few divisions of tanks and artillery; there are also about 250,000 Marines as a general complement on the ships and on the amphibious assault ships. Tensions between these two groups almost certainly will be exploited for RP purposes, never fear.

I may also end up deploying larger air fleets, including bombers, from the homeland. This depends on what happens in the meantime.

Our forces would be about 840 combat ships, with transport groups carrying our 850,000 men of which 400,000 would be infantry, 100,000 Marines, and 350,000 armored and mechanized infantry troops. There would also be around 30,000 MBTs, 20,000 IFVs, and various support vehicles, artillery, etc. Air forces would be strictly carrier based.

These numbers don't include logistical personnel or supply transports, which would probably constitute at least 1,000,000 more support personnel and thousands of ships and planes and tens of thousands of trucks.

It would take us a week to get in place to defend Tartarystan...and no more than another two or three weeks to invade Cazelia or their allies.

I'm out. I tend to go with my friends in UFAN, so when AD pulled out I kinda lost a lot of confidence that the allies could win. Also, just by looking at your troop numbers, I'm way out of my element here. The combined enemy force would represent more than all my armed forces put together.

I'm out. I tend to go with my friends in UFAN, so when AD pulled out I kinda lost a lot of confidence that the allies could win. Also, just by looking at your troop numbers, I'm way out of my element here. The combined enemy force would represent more than all my armed forces put together.

Despite our IC message—which is mostly intended to keep your nation on its collective toes—it's unlikely we'll attack you, unless I'm feeling particularly sadistic. ;)

Despite our IC message—which is mostly intended to keep your nation on its collective toes—it's unlikely we'll attack you, unless I'm feeling particularly sadistic. ;)

Yeah, I just want to take over Cazelia. Maybe give a part back to BL for fun.

I'm waiting for an OK from Tatarystan to send some ships to help him out. I could probably send around 840 or so plus a huge (800,000+) ground commitment in the form of the Vetalian Expeditionary Force.

If he says it's okay, looks like we'll be fighting on the same side, Red Tide. ;)
Well Vetalia... I don't really want to fight you... But if I must. BTW Why the hell are yout trying to defend some genocidal regime anyway?

Well Vetalia... I don't really want to fight you... But if I must. BTW Why the hell are yout trying to defend some genocidal regime anyway?

Because Tartarystan may prove useful in the future to our strategic interests; it's all due to a change IC where my country has become a lot more expansionist and we're ready to start expanding ourselves beyond our borders.

How it will turn out is still yet to be seen.

Not to mention the allegations of the massacres, though clearly true, are very difficult to believe. Tartarystan surprisingly has a good reputation. It is a Liberal Democracy, Constitutional Monarchy, Pacifist, and has advanced social welfare and social security systems similar to that of the Nordic countries (really just Denmark and maybe a bit from Finland). The very fact that Tartarystan has no blue-water fleet despite being an island nation says nothing. Tartars enjoy some of the most prolific civil liberties in the world. Access to healthcare, education, and public transport is provided to all Tartars. Tartarystan's extreme religious devoutness goes hand and hand with its extremely large social welfare system. Ironically, the government used the cash they generated murdering the refugees to help fund these huge social welfare programs. Tartar citizens are fantastically treated by the government. And in fact, in almost most cases, the government is extremely benevolent. The problem with the Tartar government is that even though they treat their own citizens so wonderfully to the point where other citizens would be jealous of your average Tartar, they treat foreigners like dirt. The government is absolutely unconcerned about death in foreign lands. The best example is the massacre and enslavement of the refugees from the FFI which was not done for genocidal reasons, but was done for the purchase of harvesting organs and blood to allow Tartars better healthcare, and to generate revenue to fund social welfare programs fighting against poverty. Course, the result is the same, but the Tartar government is generally benevolent...toward its own citizens. Because of all of these things, Tartarystan hasn't accrued a particularly bad reputation because the bad things the Tartar government does is usually not broadcast everywhere like their fight against poverty, social welfare programs, and et cetera. When the Vetalians completely deny what the government of Tartarystan has done, it's not very far-fetched.

In addition, it was the Tartarystan government that ultimately granted independence to the rebels, and we want to build strong ties between a government that has proven its capability both to defend its own interests as well as act responsibly in times of tension. They have earned our respect and friendship, and we will defend that in order to build a strong future for our states.

(Not to mention it helps us build up our relations with nations like Urcea, British Londinium, and even Red Tide who could prove to be very helpful in the future).

In addition, it was the Tartarystan government that ultimately granted independence to the rebels, and we want to build strong ties between a government that has proven its capability both to defend its own interests as well as act responsibly in times of tension. They have earned our respect and friendship, and we will defend that in order to build a strong future for our states. Genocide isn't a responsible response. And Tatar isn't a strong nation.


(Not to mention it helps us build up our relations with nations like Urcea, British Londinium, and even Red Tide who could prove to be very helpful in the future). So you're joining what's becoming the "Axis of Not very nice people" because you think they actually might bother to help you later on?

So you're joining what's becoming the "Axis of Not very nice people" because you think they actually might bother to help you later on?

Said Axis is (occasionally) evil and sadistic, not stupid. We wouldn't alienate a potentially strong ally. Well, ok, I wouldn't.

In addition, it should be noted that Steel and Fire for its part could care less about genocide and allegations of human rights abuses. Most of the population of S&F is ex-military, cynical, paranoid, and stereotypically tough; people tend to believe human rights need to be earned rather than freely given, and furries are widely believed a disgrace and unworthy of human rights. (This also applies to certain varieties of communists, pacifists, environmentalists, et cetera; specifically those of the armchair variety. Steelians hold a grudging respect for, for instance, communists who have succeeded in overthrowing a capitalist government, or environmentalists who make a point by blowing up oil tankers.) There are, however, no rules against furryism; indeed, very little of anything is restricted, as S&F is a liberal democracy that you'd need to be a good secret agent to find out is actually largely controlled by the military and an allied group of large corporations.

i'm pulling out. i dont want to be occupied again

i'm pulling out. i dont want to be occupied again

Well you have to think of the consequences from your actions, its not a good idea to build up a reputation which means you will get invaded by larger nations.

i'm pulling out. i dont want to be occupied again

I, for one, am not letting this go. I drafted an expeditionary force, and by God I will use it.

S&F? Vetalia? Tartarystan?

If Vetalia decides not to occupy Cazelia, I'll send my forces over instead. (Actions have consequences!) If he does, I'll send, at most, half my forces (more would be overkill) and turn the rest of my attentions to TLA and the other enemy powers who have yet to withdraw their forces.

Red Tide is a obvious Police State easily be compared to the 1940s Soviet Union, however, it is alot more complicated then that. Its economy mostly takes Fascist Italy's method of subordinating corporations to the State(but not really nationalizing it) with forced labor similar to the USSRs Gulag system being a huge part of dealing with criminals and 'Enemies of the State'.

In other words, Red Tide is what I call an 'Ideologically-Moderate Totalitarian Police State'. It actively surpresses both Fascists AND Communists, as well as their more extremist and moderate elements. There isnt a One Party State either, it is a NO Party State. The 'State' refers to the Government as a whole, but one man has the final say-so on any activities pertaining to the State. The current General-Secretary is a guy I based on Joseph Stalin personality-wise.

Edited the whose who list again.

EDIT: Dalnijrus, whose side are you on?

Red Tide is a obvious Police State easily be compared to the 1940s Soviet Union, however, it is alot more complicated then that. Its economy mostly takes Fascist Italy's method of subordinating corporations to the State(but not really nationalizing it) with forced labor similar to the USSRs Gulag system being a huge part of dealing with criminals and 'Enemies of the State'.

In other words, Red Tide is what I call an 'Ideologically-Moderate Totalitarian Police State'. It actively surpresses both Fascists AND Communists, as well as their more extremist and moderate elements. There isnt a One Party State either, it is a NO Party State. The 'State' refers to the Government as a whole, but one man has the final say-so on any activities pertaining to the State. The current General-Secretary is a guy I based on Joseph Stalin personality-wise.

Edited the whose who list again.

EDIT: Dalnijrus, whose side are you on?

Tartarystan's. We're in the same alliance.

Dalnijrus, your added.

Cazelia, unless you post ICly that your withdrawing, the inbound air raid on your fleet is going to go forth.

And because it my government thinks its you who started this whole debacle, we're going to make some demands.

Our forces will move forward with our allies. If Cazelia is going to be invaded, we are in, and if not, we will take part in peace negotiations, which will be extremely beneficial to our side and will be done on our side's terms.

-Open Ocean, Hours before Steel and Fire even arrived-
Secret IC: When The Lone Alliance makes an announcement such as that, it should be known that usually they have aready started. At the moment that Steel and Fire had it's fleet depart, TLA's Subs had already arrived. With Tartarystan lacking any sort of Navy, the Subs went to work without interruptions, deploying Mines, Remote Torpedoes, and even their dreaded Sucide Subs along large points of entry. They kept Further in reserve on the bottom for a more tactical use. So by the time Steel and Fire arrived, a little trap already awaited them. They weren't activated yet, but if the order was given...

TLA Sub Fleet
70x SSN-21s
40x 645 Sierra class
40x 671 Victor III class
10x 949A Oscar class Subs
90x Transport\Minelayer Subs
6000x Naval Mines (4500 deployed, Majority along all harbor approaches.
500x Sucide Subs (300 Deployed) Scattered amoung Coast Shelf.

Uh...I didn't say Tartarystan didn't have a navy, I said it didn't have a blue-water navy. There's a difference. It still has a green-water navy. Basically, it has a navy, but it's a navy without the ability to go out into the blue water. Generally speaking, a blue-water navy is one with over-sea power-projection capability, preferably with aircraft carriers to provide air cover. Green-water navies have ships of corvette-class or better, and can operate in coastal (littoral) and regional area. However, green-water navies usually lack aircraft carriers, and depends on land-based aircraft for protection.

Plus, there are coastal defences ringed around the cliffs along with the Green-water fleet, so you can't actually do what you did...without interruption. You'll definitely get interrupted. Submarines usually stray away from coasts because they get detected almost instantly by forces on the coasts. Being next to a coast almost guarantees detection, and a green-water fleet will guarantee disruption with it.

You know as far as anyone knows I haven't sent ANYONE yet. All my surface fleets are still heading closer to the FFI engagement.

Dalnijrus as the AFA has been locked for being OOC, The alliance is Voided.

Plus, there are coastal defences ringed around the cliffs along with the Green-water fleet, so you can't actually do what you did...without interruption. You'll definitely get interrupted. Submarines usually stray away from coasts because they get detected almost instantly by forces on the coasts. Being next to a coast almost guarantees detection, and a green-water fleet will guarantee disruption with it.

I'm not at the Coast. I'm talking shipping lanes that lead into the Harbors, the lay out would be right at the edge of the Contiental Shelf. At the very limit of your navy. Huge ships can't exactly make a turn on a dime you know.

Edit: FREAKING TIMEWARP!!!

I'm not at the Coast. I'm talking shipping lanes that lead into the Harbors, the lay out would be right at the edge of the Contiental Shelf. At the very limit of your navy. Huge ships can't exactly make a turn on a dime you know.

Green-water fleets can still go past the continental shelf. They're green water fleets not because they physically cannot go way off into the sea, but because it is logistically infeasible to do so. The Argentine Navy was a green-water fleet but they were able to get to the Falklands Islands, which is pretty far away from where the continental shelf ends. A green-water navy is simply a navy that lacks the ability for sustained long-distance combat operations. You can still probably mine shipping lanes, but you'll probably have to do it really far away from the coast, like 1,200 km away or so.

Green-water fleets can still go past the continental shelf. They're green water fleets not because they physically cannot go way off into the sea, but because it is logistically infeasible to do so. The Argentine Navy was a green-water fleet but they were able to get to the Falklands Islands, which is pretty far away from where the continental shelf ends. But they quickly turned around because they weren't logisticly equipped to handle subs.

Besides you have no clue that anything is even going on out there. After all they're subs and they aren't surfacing.
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Crap you know what... I just realized that I have given you a massive naval defense layout...

But they quickly turned around because they weren't logisticly equipped to handle subs.

Besides you have no clue that anything is even going on out there. After all they're subs and they aren't surfacing.
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Crap you know what... I just realized that I have given you a massive naval defense layout...

Crap, I just realized your subs are probably too far away anyways. I based my coasts off the coast of a real life nation, and I just realized their coast has a REALLY long continental shelf. If you were at the edge of the continental shelf, that WOULD probably be almost a thousand kilometres. So I guess it all works out. :D

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/image.php?u=84055&dateline=1178771588

EDIT: WOAH! TIMEWARP!

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Please gtfo, prole.

I think we should have two threads, one for Tartarystan and another for Cazelia and any other nations involved in the war. That would reduce confusion.

I am going to have to go to bed soon. Once I go to sleep, I wont be back until 3:00 PM(its 9:08 PM here), I am scheduled for a 7 hour shift tomorrow.

I think we should have two threads, one for Tartarystan and another for Cazelia and any other nations involved in the war. That would reduce confusion.

Definitely, especially when this really starts to heat up.

Despite our IC message—which is mostly intended to keep your nation on its collective toes—it's unlikely we'll attack you, unless I'm feeling particularly sadistic. ;)

I still don't feel like sending my men into a slaughter, that tends to have bad IC repercussions and I don't want my first real war to be a bloodbath. I'm staying neutral in this.

Perhaps you didn't notice Dalnijrus... The Anti-Furry Alliance is DEAD! I IGNORE any mention of it.

Perhaps you didn't notice Dalnijrus... The Anti-Furry Alliance is DEAD! I IGNORE any mention of it.

I noticed.

I disregarded it, because it doesn't matter.

Even without that, however, it wouldn't have taken any long amount of time to decide on an appropriate course of action.

The AFA is not dead, and backs Tartarystan unconditionally.

had to calibrate a new laptop battery, so I didn't get to those other posts I wanted. I'll be on tomorrow (or...later today)

Considering that it was locked because it's members were acting like a bunch of /b tards, I consider it a banned group.

1. Nobody was acting.
B. Nobody asked you.

How profound. :rolleyes:

Is there a map of tartarystan and it's immediate surroundings?

Is there a map of tartarystan and it's immediate surroundings?

I've always been meaning to make one...if you want to imagine Tartarystan, just imagine Siberia/Manchuria/Turkestan/Mongolia/Tibet (Tartary IRL) as an island. :D

The only place that's not frozen over is the area based off Tibet, so good luck scaling the Himalayas on the coast. :D

How's Cazelia attacking when he's still occupied by us?

I mean, heck, even I occupy part of his territory (known for the moment as Soviet Cazelia).

Your call ICCD is going to continue it's administration if you come within 500km and do not have permission you will be attacked, likewise the war will not be confined to Cazelia.

Give assurances to our continued administration or be seen as declaring war against ICCD.

You have 5 minutes to respond.

L.O. ICCD.

That's quite silly, you know. A 500 km 'buffer zone' is not going to be respected, because it doesn't belong to the ICCD. A no-fly zone above areas actually administered by the ICCD would be respected, however.

Not that it matters, because of the previous point, but 500 kilometres (310 miles) around your territory is a lot of space to summarily claim. I imagine it'd be kind of offensive, really.

* I'm not really much good at this whole technology thing. Just assume that Steel and Fire has competent engineers with college degrees instead of a bored sixteen-year-old sitting at a computer keyboard.
not a problem, I'm pretty sure most of us could say the same with only some age variations.

Although, Thors are stand off cruise missiles, probably a little low in altitude to be targets for brilliant pebble defenses, but not a problem really, just be careful about it later.

EDIT: ALso, it may be because its late, but I'm a bit confused by the last part of your post, are the SSM-45s attacking the fleet at Dexter or the Shades/Naiads launching missile attacks on your fleet?

1. Nobody was acting. Then go back to them then, this is NS.

B. Nobody asked you. Quite frankly I don't care. I hate all "Hey lets form an alliance to oppress (INSERT WHATEVER)" groups.
If you knew my Nation you would see I have nothing but IC and OOC hatred for bash-commie alliances.

How's Cazelia attacking when he's still occupied by us?

I mean, heck, even I occupy part of his territory (known for the moment as Soviet Cazelia).

QFT!

Most alliances are made to bash an ideology or group anyways. NATO was made to bash Communism, the Warsaw Pact Capitalism, the Allied nations to counter Fascism, et cetera. What I think he was saying, was that his government would have supported mine regardless if there was an alliance, so it didn't matter.

I think it's still feasible that he tried to attack with part of his territory occupied. It's not like ALL of his territory was occupied. It seems people are carving little chunks of Cazelia, but Cazelia is still independent.

I think it's still feasible that he tried to attack with part of his territory occupied. It's not like ALL of his territory was occupied. It seems people are carving little chunks of Cazelia, but Cazelia is still independent.

Actually, it was.

not a problem, I'm pretty sure most of us could say the same with only some age variations.

Although, Thors are stand off cruise missiles, probably a little low in altitude to be targets for brilliant pebble defenses, but not a problem really, just be careful about it later.

EDIT: ALso, it may be because its late, but I'm a bit confused by the last part of your post, are the SSM-45s attacking the fleet at Dexter or the Shades/Naiads launching missile attacks on your fleet?

Crap, totally missed this, sorry....

The SSM-45s are being fired at the Shades and Naiads attacking my fleet, as well as any other submarines within about 2000 km (which may include any sub squadrons that get too far away from Dexter). And I agree, it is kind of confusing; I couldn't decide which one I was going to attack at first, so I may have switched targets in the middle of the post. x.x Maybe next time I should try writing 'em after dinner.

Actually, it was.

Oh...well...that's just complicated now...say...how many countries HAS Cazelia been conquered by...?

Oh...well...that's just complicated now...say...how many countries HAS Cazelia been conquered by...?

Beats me...all I know is that somewhere, on some part of that damned territory, the flag of the General Government of Vetalian Cazelia is flying.

Shit, fuxxor'd that one. D:

tartarystan says im godmoding? you have made your nation invinsible. im not joking you will kill anything that comes within range of your missles and say its dead or make it immpossible odds of escaping. and by the way those were plans. ive not launched anything yet, ill launch when i say ive launched.that was an order not that i said the cchinooks were already landed.the key word was planed. ill wait til my allies are on the offensive before considering an assult on a well defended area.


im 12 years old. which by the way, should be the age group playing video/online games. not a 30 year old man/woman.

OOC: Well, that explains your incredibly bad grammar and your inability to actually understand what he SAID!

You WERE godmodding, you posted landing your helicopters without ANY resistance and your helicopters somehow flew ALL the way through his airspace without getting attacked at all.

I think Tartarystan is being generous. If it was me, I would have booted you from the RP.

OOC: Well, that explains your incredibly bad grammar and your inability to actually understand what he SAID!

Not necessarily...my writing has only gotten worse since I was 12. :p

I wasn't originally going to post up in reply but thought I better just to share the info.


That's quite silly, you know. A 500 km 'buffer zone' is not going to be respected, because it doesn't belong to the ICCD. A no-fly zone above areas actually administered by the ICCD would be respected, however.

Not that it matters, because of the previous point, but 500 kilometres (310 miles) around your territory is a lot of space to summarily claim. I imagine it'd be kind of offensive, really.

Yah 500 km is quite far. but when planes go in some cases upward of 1km/s that leaves only 500 seconds or 8 minutes to stop an air raid from that 500 km - less than 500km is even less time. Missles going at faster than Mach 3 which do exist would have even faster launch to point times. Say Mach 6 4 minutes or those rare expensive missle at say mach 12. 2 minutes. @ 500km.

While 500km is a pretty big distance. I think that in a time of hostility having a reasonably sized buffer makes sense, especially for air based combat systems. So a 500km no fly zone might be in both parties interest, since neither would probably seek to have their security always at risk especially when you speak of large air forces with over 1000 high tec aircraft. Not only this but it reduces the change of rouge or errored issues, including overlap of antiaircraft systems that may extend beyond the edge of territory.

Also I think that calling ahead to confirm the need for air trafic in a no fly zone is fully something that can be done. Since the military aircraft arn't needed there. In special circumstances it could be rationalized.

ICCD is enforcing a 500km no fly zone on any parties that it doesn't have a working relationship or information sharing process to prevent unneeded deaths and injuries or miscommunication. With the influx of troops after such a long calm down. ICCD is concerned that it may destabalize the region.

If you have IC issues with this I suggest you start an IC dialouge - but ICCD is enforcing a no fly zone for the "new" invasion force. Since it doesn't see aircraft flying over the newly built cazelia as needed again - since we just poured billions of dollars into it's reconstruction.

You WERE godmodding, you posted landing your helicopters without ANY resistance and your helicopters somehow flew ALL the way through his airspace without getting attacked at all.
Additionally, you either missed or conveniently ignored the 2,400 missiles my fighters fired at your planes several posts back (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12928176&postcount=22). The Chinooks and whatever fighter-bombers survived would subsequently encounter 600 top-of-the-line Steelian air superiority fighters, even if they immediately turned around and headed in the opposite direction at maximum speed (which is, I believe, less than Mach 1; whereas the fighters can travel at over Mach 2).

Uh Red Tide? He's on YOUR side remember? Why would you be shooting at him.

And personally this is getting way too one sided. Sure At this very moment with the amount of missile subs in the area I could easily level the nation, but at what risk to my subs.

I think Red Steel meant to say Helicopters, not planes.

And personally this is getting way too one sided. Sure At this very moment with the amount of missile subs in the area I could easily level the nation, but at what risk to my subs.

Mebbe that's a sign that you should leave your Subs before more Corporate Alliance armies start arriving.

In any case with the NPE about to be crushed under the heel of our jackboot there's nothing any of our enemies could possibly do to stand against us, so even if you managed to level Tartarystan, you won't very long have a homeland.

(NOT a Flamebait)

Mebbe that's a sign that you should leave your Subs before more Corporate Alliance armies start arriving.

In any case with the NPE about to be crushed under the heel of our jackboot there's nothing any of our enemies could possibly do to stand against us, so even if you managed to level Tartarystan, you won't very long have a homeland.

(NOT a Flamebait)

Actually I was soon intending to post my subs retreating, after all I could have RPed them firing at the Steel and Fire subs but I didn't. Sure I think I will withdraw... But I'll be sure to activate my minefields and Drone subs first.

Have fun XD.
Watch out for those 300 sucide subs, they're fast and designed to target the rudders of Super Dreadnaughts and carriers.

so even if you managed to level Tartarystan, you won't very long have a homeland.
I've ICly made my nation immune to missile spam with the over amounts of AA, SAM, and PD Laser defenses. I've got Nukes buried in the continental shelf and slopes around my nation to open up huge wirlpools under invading ships, I have enough shore defenses to make the designer of the Alantic Wall drool.

And I have enough Spy sats to actually trangluate a moving target. (120+ around my nation alone) Making "Stealth Planes" much less effective.

But yeah TLA is withdrawing.

Actually I was soon intending to post my subs retreating, after all I could have RPed them firing at the Steel and Fire subs but I didn't. Sure I think I will withdraw... But I'll be sure to activate my minefields and Drone subs first.

Have fun XD.
Watch out for those 300 sucide subs, they're fast and designed to target the rudders of Super Dreadnaughts and carriers.

I've ICly made my nation immune to missile spam with the over amounts of AA, SAM, and PD Laser defenses. I've got Nukes buried in the continental shelf and slopes around my nation to open up huge wirlpools under invading ships, I have enough shore defenses to make the designer of the Alantic Wall drool.

And I have enough Spy sats to actually trangluate a moving target. (120+ around my nation alone) Making "Stealth Planes" much less effective.

Which would be completely useless against regular InterContinental Ballistic Missiles, much less the advanced ones fielded by me.

Which would be completely useless against regular InterContinental Ballistic Missiles, much less the advanced ones fielded by me. SAM is a grey area Red Tide, aside from the whole 'missile shield' system. I even have a few Shortrange Ballistic missiles that are equipped simply to intercept and detonate near incoming Ballistic missiles.

SAM is a grey area Red Tide, aside from the whole 'missile shield' system. I even have a few Shortrange Ballistic missiles that are equipped simply to intercept and detonate near incoming Ballistic missiles.

Useless against a combination of FOBS and MAIRVs.