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Nova Pictavia Seeks Green Allies

Nova Pictavia
19-07-2007, 14:11
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The Commonwealth of Nova Pictavia
Official Communique

The liberation of Nova Pictavia was based on ideals. Ideals of socialism, equality, freedom and responseability. We believe it is now time to unify the nations of similar ideals.

Today, socialists are divided, corrupt and oppressive. We have lost the GASN. We see The World Soviet Party siding alongside oppressors, while the Global Union of Socialist Nations accepts a brutal Capitalist regime, and former CA member into its ranks; British Londinium.

It is time to create a new front, one started by the Combined Heart Alliance and Free World Alliance. It is time to create a new organization, one of longevity. And this alliance must embrace the ideals of these two fine alliances, plus more:

>We must step up to the responseability to care for our planet, even if this may reduce our economical power.

>We must strive to maintain liberty and political freedom within our own borders.

>We must create a fraternity so close, no member nation will be left behind in times of war. With a network of mutual aid and free trade.

>But firstly, we must not be afraid to jump into the fire. In order to save the planet and liberate those from oppression we must not fear those capitalist nations who throw their weight around, eliminating smaller nations one by one.

To obtain peace, we may have to goto war. A war for liberty.
Although war is not what we wish, we recognize it may be a possibility. Today Nova Pictavia is under attack by Capitalist regimes through methods of terrorism.

We simply seek allies at this moment of similar ideals, and consider the idea of a fully fledged alliance, one which will not die overnight.

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~Galan Mckay
First minister, New Nova Picti parliament, Inverness
Nova Pictavia
19-07-2007, 23:10
Ahem... bumpedy bump bump...
British Londinium
19-07-2007, 23:12
What do you have against former CA members? It's former for a reason. :p
Nova Pictavia
19-07-2007, 23:22
hokaydokes point taken, but I still think its weird that BL is a member of the GUSN, even if your government is dubbed 'Socialist'. Sorry! :rolleyes:










...Still friends?
British Londinium
19-07-2007, 23:26
Quite. Except the GUSN kicked me out. Stupid blender-haters.
Nova Pictavia
19-07-2007, 23:30
Everyones really taken that blender incident quite badly. It's like that president of somewhere you drank out of his skull some time ago. You just have a thing for smoothies, don't you? :p
British Londinium
19-07-2007, 23:33
Everyones really taken that blender incident quite badly. It's like that president of somewhere you drank out of his skull some time ago. You just have a thing for smoothies, don't you? :p

They're delicious! :D People should try our new Strawberry-Human flavour - it'll warm 'em up to the idea of giant blenders.
Nova Pictavia
19-07-2007, 23:46
Shame about the eco-syndicalists not winning that election btw... I had a gut feeling they might'av one... guess not though. :p

Hows the war going anyway? I'm too lazy to read all the peace talks and find out for myself :cool:
British Londinium
19-07-2007, 23:47
Shame about the eco-syndicalists not winning that election btw... I had a gut feeling they might'av one... guess not though. :p

Hows the war going anyway? I'm too lazy to read all the peace talks and find out for myself :cool:

You'd rather not know, but let it suffice to say I ignored the terror attack that spurned the whole war. I feel bad, though, that I didn't do it earlier.
Central Prestonia
19-07-2007, 23:48
I believe BL ignored the war for a number of reasons. I'm surprised at how much backing down BL's done actually, I was looking forward to an epic war between BL and his allies and UFAN.
Nova Pictavia
20-07-2007, 00:13
I believe BL ignored the war for a number of reasons. I'm surprised at how much backing down BL's done actually, I was looking forward to an epic war between BL and his allies and UFAN.

And here's me thinking you came here looking for a big, 'ol green alliance CP, you got my hopes up.

Seriously though, does nobody else like great things like liberalism and grass!?
imported_ViZion
20-07-2007, 00:26
While ViZion will support this new found alliance based on liberty and the environment, we will not be joining it. We do wish your new alliance well, so long as it does not become an aggressor, like the one you claim you wish to fight back

President Kilo
Central Prestonia
20-07-2007, 00:33
I like what you stand for, but I'm already in GUSN and UFAN, I have enough trouble keeping up with two alliances as it is. I'm sure you'll get some takers though.
FreeDemGov
20-07-2007, 00:36
I'd join but I'm not socialist.
Nova Pictavia
20-07-2007, 00:43
:)

That's OK, can't be too picky! At the moment this is just an interest thread to see if it would be worth the effort before a Utopian alliance is created.

Just to let you know, I would have joined The Free World Alliance already, its just I don't want to join it half-heartedly, I want to wait until I can concentrate on what's going on in it at the moment. But I'll be over sooner or later! :p
Nova Pictavia
20-07-2007, 12:10
Bump-o-rama
FreeDemGov
20-07-2007, 19:12
OOC: I understand. Should you ever need help though, count us as an ally.
Nova Pictavia
20-07-2007, 20:20
That's very appreciated, thank you!
Nova Pictavia
21-07-2007, 01:22
Right, I'm BUMPing this one more time, then I'm officially giving up on this heathen world... So long!!
Commonalitarianism
21-07-2007, 02:00
Evil socialist swine, capitalist pigs, communist goats, corporate despoilers, economic oppressors, anarchist rabble, syndicalist suckers, what does government have to do with green economics? There is no current government model in capitalism, socialism, anarchism, or communism which directly practices green economics. Rising Income Through Cybernetic Homeostasis, Direct Worker Ownership, Natural Capitalism-- Move forward into the future...

I would join but I am future oriented and will not accept any economically oppressive system such as socialism as a mandate.
Nova Pictavia
21-07-2007, 13:09
Exactly, there is no current government model in practice which utilizes green economics, however, in the real-world we are seeing great developments towards this goal. To compete with the rising consumer demand for eco-friendly goods, Britain itself is seeing a movement towards green-capitalism. Green-socialism, or eco-socialism is another theoretical government model which is based on the use of renewable resources in a socialist economic structure, promoting equality and liberalism in an area of environmental stability.

it is this concept that I wish to promote and ally alongside.

Of coarse, at this moment in time, we are open to any green deomocratic nations/parties to ally with.
Arab-Canada
21-07-2007, 14:14
The Emirate of Arab-Canada will join you in helping create a eco-friendly economics plan.
Commonalitarianism
22-07-2007, 01:30
We do not use eco-socialism, but another model called Natural Capitalism combined with a system of direct worker ownership modeled after a variety of worker ownership systems-- creating a mixed economy based on cooperatives, syndicates-- family or union based, partnerships, individual ownership, cooperative corporation, public private consortium, etc. employee stock ownership, etc.

OOC: Natural Capitalism is the work of the Rocky Mountain Institute and Ivaar Lovaas. There is a very interesting book with the title. The basic idea is to have a variety of companies based on direct ownership of enterprises-- almost a guild and house system. For example Cruon Commercial House, Registered Family Syndicate would be in a way very similar to merchant house, and the International Undersea Recycling and Salvage Cooperative-- would be a massive international recycling guild...
Commonalitarianism
22-07-2007, 12:15
Here goes my thoughts:

The most important energy development is the building of a system of very advanced turbine technology. General improvement across the board in turbines would make a large portion of green energy much more effective.

Turbines would be used in:

Wave energy turbines
Wind energy turbines
Steam Energy turbines-- Geothermal
Gas Microturbines-- Landfill Gasification Plants
Upgrading existing hydroelectric systems with more advanced turbines, fish ladders, and more environmentally friendly technology. Introducing new forms of hydroelectric energy which are more distributed and don't require complete damming of rivers.
Mulitfuel Turbine Car Engines, Turbine Train Engines, and Turbine Boat Engines
These would mostly likely be hybrid engines.

The next obvious step would be to develop biofuels-- specifically algae oil, and biodiesel from waste sources. Biodiesel can already run propeller planes and helicopters. The focus on waste energy sources would help solve a major environmental problem. They are working on a soy based jet fuel.

Algae CO2 Scrubbers for smokestacks
Algae grown in sewage effluent as part of bioremediation
Waste to energy biodiesel from human and animal waste
Brownfield to biodiesel-- using bioremediation plants then turning them into biodiesel.

Other sources of energy might be solar concentrators for hot water, and central solar concentrating plants for small towns heat energy needs.
Commonalitarianism
22-07-2007, 14:17
The second major change is a complete rebuilding of the manufacturing sector on a "Cradle to Cradle" philosophy where most items are designed to be reused in other industrial processes. Industry would also be retooled to use lean manufacturing techniques-- less waste in building new things. There would be a focus on increased energy efficiency, lighter weight or more advanced materials like carbon fiber, bamboo, bioplastics, straw bricks, hemp fiber, and other lightweight advanced materials. Green chemistry would be introduced to replace most chemicals with cleaner chemicals.

Buying things would be more on a service model, not as much an ownership model much like xerox where the company would replace or upgrade broken down objects as part of a long term contract.

There would be a focus on the five 5 Rs.

Recycle old materials.-- Recycling would be mandatory for most things.

Reuse things for other purposes.

Reduce consumption of unnecessary items. As part of a focus on reduced consumption, there would be a greater focus on quality and individualizing items so they cost a bit more, but were more reliable. As part of this process, most applianes would be lighter and more energy efficient.

Refurbish-- manufacturers would be required to offer refurbished items as well as refurbish existing items. There would be an industry to keep up older items.

Repair-- the concept of planned obsolescence would be punishable by fines to industry. There would be new standards set requiring items to have a longer shelf life, and require open repair manuals. Throw away items would become less available.
Commonalitarianism
22-07-2007, 14:23
The third major change would be a refocus on stewardship as part of life. This would include a change to a more steady state economics where the cost of natural resources would be factored in. Rather than focus on GDP-- Gross Domestic Product which includes everthing, there would be a refocus on SOL-- Standard of Living, where the goal would be eliminate the negative impacts gross domestic products, and focus on improving standard of living, basic healthcare, housing, and quality of life for citizens.

A number of steps would be implemented that would be tied in with stewardship from an economic viewpoint:

1) Increased use of biodynamic and organic farming, with source labeling for consumable products.
2) Increased use of urban farming, aquaculture farms, the beginnings of use of skyfarms and city farming to reduce time to market and transportation costs.
3) Implementation of programs for community gardens, roof gardens, and public green spaces.
4) Long term forestry management programs focusing on planned logging and forest clearing for long term use.
5) Increased use of ecotourism, plans for permanent designated wilderness recreation venues for hunting, photography, fishing, hiking, and non-mechanized bicycles and boating. This is not pc-- we are not going to force everyone to be vegetarian.
6) An active bioprospecting program which seeks new pharmaceuticals, botanicals, and natural products from forests.
7) A focus on living machines and other natural systems to treat sewage, water, and wastes-- plant wetlands. A strong bioremediation industry to clean up brownfields, landfills, toxic dumps, and other industrial sites and convert them to biofuel production. Use of trees and plants to treat smog and improve air quality near industrial sites.
8) An industrial export system which exports clean technology.

These are a few things.
Nova Pictavia
22-07-2007, 14:44
Commonalitarianism, you clearly have a better knowledge of this than I do, i'll get back to this thread in a jiffy with a better post, but right now I'm considering an alliance based on your economic model with the input of the founders, who would be all the nations who have contributed to this thread.

As I said, I'll be back with a more decent post in a bit. Would you be interested in said organization though?
Nova Pictavia
22-07-2007, 15:14
Okay, here goes the first steps. I think we should all contribute to a charter, and I'll say this again and again that we all have and equal influence in this organization, after all, it is based on an eco friendly democratic structure.

The current membership of this alliance includes the following, who will be considered co-founders of the alliance. Any other nation who joins before the creation of a charter will be considered a fellow founder. Each founder will have equal input and as the right to question or alter anything I put forward in this post.

Nova Pictavia
Commonalitarianism
FreeDemGov
Arab-Canada

The proposed name of this alliance is the following:
The Utopian Commonwealth (UC)
-An eco-green union of nations

This is, as is the rest, up for criticism although the name itself is not that important. But if you have any ideas speak up!

I propose that the organization be split into four sections:

-Environmental Plan
Details our goals as an organization in protecting the envirmonment
-Theoretical Discussion
Where we may come together to discuss proposed economical models which we may later decide to implement
-Defense Initiative
A pact of mutual aid, serving solely to protect the world against a reduction of pro-Green nations
-Liberal-Humanitarian Plan
An epicenter for the promotion of civil rights, political freedoms and mutual economic aid.

This is still a very rough concept so if you have any ideas please go ahead!
Nova Pictavia
24-07-2007, 10:51
*sigh* Bump :rolleyes:
Commonalitarianism
24-07-2007, 11:07
Cruon Commercial House, RFS-- Registered Family Syndicate wishes input from our allies on producing alternative energy products. While we produce wave turbines, wind turbines, and other alternative energy products we are always willing to hear how to improve our product line with the latest technolgy.

The International Undersea Salvage and Recycling Cooperative also wishes input on improving their capacity and technology for recycling, salvage, bioremediation, waste to energy, and waste management technologies.

Dynamic Motors, PPC-- Public Private Consortium is looking for ways to improve their production of turbine cars, hybrid turbine cars, hybrid diesel engines, battery technology, trains, and boats.

We look forward to receiving input from our allies on improving industry.
Nova Pictavia
26-07-2007, 21:32
OOC: Sorry for my absence, work 'n' missus 'n' stuff :rolleyes:
Will leave a decent post tomorrow though, to get this alliance off the ground and get a charter on the go.

Commonalitarianism, we are very interested in your environmental efforts, and as a result, would like work alongside you in creating the charter.

As for our efforts in imporving Nova Pictavia's eco-friendly industry, that will be detailed tommorrow. Thanks!
Commonalitarianism
27-07-2007, 10:44
A piece of clean technology:

Skyfarm

Height: 300 Meters
Width: Radius is 20 Meters, Width is 40 Meters
Stories: 40 Stories Aboveground, 6 Stories below ground level

Building Construction: Modular circular construction. Each story is a cylindrical section of uniform height.

Building Materials: Enzyme bonded concrete, recycled metals, fiber insulation, bioplastics and biomaterials and other plant based materials developed using green chemistry.

Windows: The windows are made of a specially coated power glass. Power glass is a clear glass that can convert sunlight to electricity at a conversion rate of 8%. The windows also repel water. The water is caught in catchments at the bases of the windows.

Energy: There is a solar dish on the roof capable of powering the heating/cooling and farm systems in the building. There is a pellet burning cogeneration heat/steam facility in the basement. This is run by powdering then compressing non-edible plant matter. It takes in leftovers from restaurants, excess plant matter from parks, roof gardens, and the vertical farm for processing. The cogeneration system uses an algae system to scrub CO2 and particulates. The algae is converted into either biodiesel, or animal feedstocks.

Farm Systems: The internal system is a bioshelter farm which houses aquaponics-- fish tanks for tilapia, hydroponics-- for growing different kinds of food, aeroponics-- for beans, strawberries, and other plants, small plot grains-- rice, wheat and corn, miniature fruit trees, mycology farms, and chicken coops. Because the food is grown indoors it is all organic with very few pesticides. A wide variety of foods is grown creating an indoor farm ecosystem. The system is designed to be very dense with trellises, stacking trays, and multiple layers of crops. In addition to food, a number of pharmaceutical herbs are grown.

Wastewater Treatment: The system includes a living machines blackwater treatement system. This can take sewage water and purify it so it can be used to water the plants.

There is an evapotranspiration system to recollect lost water, and collection stations to collect refuse to use in the pellet burning cogeneration system.

The lower levels include a refrigeration level and transportation to bring food to market.

Cost $200 Million.
Gizico
27-07-2007, 12:58
Well, some people are always greedier than others. What as a goverment am I supposed to do soak the greedy if there need for profits made it so my people more varity of goods for the poor people. Second, captialism is not fair system, but the other systems are more miserable.

Freemarket can exist in a social welfare state today like Sweden, Norway because the goverment does not make economic dicisions for companies, and keep the tax rates low on companies, but soak excessive comsumption with high VAT taxes. Still, neo-liberalism is nasty medicine for a country, but sometimes its the only option to force moderinziaton of the economy, and keep it economically competitve.

Anglo, Scandivian freemarket systems both work well because of rule of law, and courts that honor legal contracts written by indiviuals, but its philsopical differances matter little if the markets are allowed to run in the country.
Commonalitarianism
28-07-2007, 01:17
Mixed economies tend to produce the highest quality of life. Pure capitalism is a myth. This is a neat little article by the economist-- for their view of quality of life which is pretty conservative. It still demonstrates that on some levels, putting some caps and regulation on the economy improves livelihood.

When either government or business becomes too strong at the expense of community, environment, and culture, things turn ugly. People must come first.

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.pdf