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Cazelian Joint Coalition Defense and Occupation Authority Tribunal A-6B-2

This is the official tribunal of Air Marshall Catherine Alder, who was charged with the occupation of Cazelia Londii by the British Londinian government. Air Marshall Adler will be permitted to defend herself or allow a delegation from her country to represent here.

These are the charges that Air Marshall Adler will be indicted for:
- Crimes against Humanity
- Cruel and Unusual Punishment
- Mistreatment of Prisoners
- Torture
- Killing a Surrendered Combatant
- Deprivation of Humanity

The tribunal will function as both the jury and prosecution. Any member of the JCDOA is a member of the Tribunal.

As director of tribunals for the JCDOA, Frederick Bremer will be presiding as the judge, representing VISA Corp as a whole.

The process of this tribunal is as follows:
- Opening Statements
- Reading of Charges
- Indictment
- Inquisition by the Prosecution
- Inquisition by the Defense
- Comments by nonmembers
- Plea
- Deliberation
- Deliverance of Verdict
- Sentencing (if required)

The floor is now open to Opening Statements by any parties, member or non.

OOC: It would also help if you RP your representative's arrival.

Frederick Bremer walked into the Courtroom and took his seat in the middle of the Tribunal Chamber. He ordered Air Marshall Adler to be brought in. She was escorted to her seat behind the defendant's table.

OOC: I hope it's OK to RP Adler's entrance, as she is under some sort of arrest at the time.

Major General Alexander Douglas, commander of Prestonian forces in Cazelia, walked into the courtroom in his class A dress uniform and sat down in the front row. He wanted to see Alder's expression if and when the court found her guilty. Accompanying him were four peacekeepers who had led the search and rescue efforts in Caz'e City. They were summoned to be possible witnesses to the atrocities in Caz'e.

ooc: Unless justice isn't the intent of this tribunal, a jury that also serves as the prosecution is kinda lame. Why bother running the trial if the same people who think that the defendant is guilty are also going to be the ones sentencing the defendant?

ooc: Unless justice isn't the intent of this tribunal, a jury that also serves as the prosecution is kinda lame. Why bother running the trial if the same people who think that the defendant is guilty are also going to be the ones sentencing the defendant?

1) Um, there's an indictment too.

2) This is a closed thread. You're not in the JCDOA. Kindly don't bother us, please.

ICCD came here today to see that the tenants of justice be done.

It is a commonly established fact that this woman admitted to acts that would place her as a war criminal if any laws other than the common knowledge existed it very much would be a legal basis to summarily execute or lock away for countless years this person. The purpose of this hearing considering it's arbitrary purpose, for ICCD, is to make the clear statement that acts which are publically aknowledged and politically unsavoury are acts which shouldn't be committed.

I think the world community expects better and more professional war making then what we have seen come from this air marshal.

ICCD firmly beleves this process is a mock trial, and what we would like to know, and perhaps will ask latter. What she thinks is a working solution.

For someone with the twisted mind she has, as perhaps many other people that are employed by their government to kill for many different reasons ranging from defence of the security of the people, to political whims to defend notions of honour, all those granted we still should be able to not have the public frown upon acts of war, less warriors be unable to garner support, making the whole of the world peaceful and feeble. That being good so too we must fully consider what this woman has done to society.

While we are willing to hear the case, at this stage ICCD firmly beleives this is a dangerous person, that is a danger to the public. But perhaps we should wait for the case to be heard in full before making judgements.

Having rushed to Caz'e City from Tailville DR, Wagdog's capital, Attorney General Chadwick Weatherspoon was determined to keep up his record. He'd managed to secure the conviction of former King Kang Arma of Zanski, exiled to New Nicksyllvania for attempted genocide against the country's Zaynite minority and for his campaign of indiscriminate political oppression; and Chad was ready to score yet another. Hell... with the Air Marshal's own admission, no less. Still, protocol must be followed. And so he walked into the courtroom, sitting to arrange papers and listen momentarily before standing up after the Dian opinion on this matter was delivered.

"We agree in that Air Marshal Catherine Alder, in the discharge of her orders in Londinian-occupied Cazelia..." Political correctness wasn't as common in Wagdog as in many other states, even capitalist ones; but all the same hardly any Wagdian official would dignify the Londinian rape of part of Cazelia by its supposed Volscian name. Better to call what had been a spade a spade and have out with it, in most of their minds lately at least. "...Has proven herself to be a dangerous person indeed. However, for the record at least, these proceedings are indeed necessary. The full evidentiary chain must be examined, evaluated, and placed into the context of this woman's confession; and of coure, her opportunity for plea heard as well, before sentence can honorably be rendered. Although we agree with our Dian allies that this trial will largely be an expository rather than probative matter, nonetheless regard for the full process is, in our opinion, essential; and I am fully prepared to aid in such." Attorney General Weatherspoon sat back down, and awaited others' opinions on this matter henceforth...

Judge Wendy Jackson walked into the courtroom with her briefcase and sat down next to the other delegates of the court.

"I think it is the purpose of this court to place a fitting punishment on Air Marshal Alder, but should also show that world that people who wish to do crimes against humanity with have to pay the price eventually."

she sat down and organized her papers.

No other Londinians entered the room; none chose to defend this woman. Air Marshal Adler had willingly walked into a situation that would inevitably lead to her execution. She sat in silence has the events of the tribunal unfolded.

The Vetalian delegation entered the room, headed by Magister Igor Fyodorov, head of the Executive Legal Counsel of the Vetalian government. The Magister rose and addressed the assembled court:

"The Vetalian government, as a member of this tribunal, objects to the proceedings because there is neither an impartial jury nor a legal counsel for the accused. Our government officials will serve on the jury in addition to the other members to maximize the chance of a fair trial." He paused before continuing.

"I will defend the accused if they are unable to procure legal defense."

"I have no wish for counsel," Catherine said. "Let the trial proceed with its façade of justice and equality. It does not matter either way."

Statement by General-Major Weber, Commander of the VLKHT/VLCRF

I am afraid that we cannot attend this tribunal, do to occupations elsewhere (namely the main objective of our troops, rebuilding Cazelia.) We are very sorry because of this unfortunate turn of events, making it impossible for us to attend. However, we would like to stress one point.

Miss Adler deserves a fair trial before an unbiased court, which we are not, most likely. We cannot accept that Miss Adler would be sentenced by a biased judge and (in this case) jury, and if we conclude that this is the case we can do nothing else than boycot this tribunal. This is however an extreme. While we are just as determined to jail Miss Adler, we cannot do so without an unfair trial, or after a 'show' performed by a seemingly independent tribunal.

Now that I am on it, I would also like to ask you to not, and I would like to bold this, not sentence Miss Adler with death. The Death sentence is an inhumane punishment, which can only be performed by inhumane nations, which we are not. Although Miss Adler has ordered various atrocities against humanity, we cannot accept that another individual has to be sent up to the skies, be it heaven or hell. We would like to propose, and enforce, a rule that prohibits sentencing Miss Adler to death. I hope that this message will reach both heart and conscience, and that my recommendations will be followed.

Signed,

Kristian Johannes Weber
General-Major of the Van Luxemburgian Grand-Ducal Arméi
Commander VLKHT/VLCRF

"I will defend the accused if they are unable to procure legal defense."

OOC: If BL doesn't want any defense for the Air Marshall, that's his own choice.

OOC: If BL doesn't want any defense for the Air Marshall, that's his own choice.

OOC: But then the trial is not even legitimate. Unless, that is, she wants to defend herself, in which case she would have legal defense and wouldn't need it.

OOC: But then the trial is not even legitimate. Unless, that is, she wants to defend herself, in which case she would have legal defense and wouldn't need it.

OOC: Which she does, evidently.

Miss Adler deserves a fair trial before an unbiased court, which we are not, most likely. We cannot accept that Miss Adler would be sentenced by a biased judge and (in this case) jury, and if we conclude that this is the case we can do nothing else than boycot this tribunal. This is however an extreme. While we are just as determined to jail Miss Adler, we cannot do so without an unfair trial, or after a 'show' performed by a seemingly independent tribunal.

OOC: She's getting one. The problem is that there's no set precedent for this sort of thing. You have a suggestion?

"If the preconditions for the trial have been resolved, then the Vetalian delegation will take its place as members of the Jury."

"As Magister, I, along with any other legal counsels in attendance that are not involved in the trial itself will ensure that the process is in compliance with international law and that the process is fair and equitable."

(OOC: well, a first point would be appointing judges from a nation which judicial systems are fair and uncorrupted (I'm not saying that your nation has an unfair and corrupted judicial system, but I mean that we should use real judges, which are paid for these sorts of jobs). Using military commanders as judges and jury is not really a good idea if you want an unbiased court. And I'm not available for playing a judge or anything, I only have basic knowledge about the Dutch judicial system, which doesn't look like the US one by any means. Plus, I don't have the time to do it. Other than appointing 'real' judges (By which I mean, from nations with fair systems and paid judges), I don't really know how to make it more independent.)

"If the preconditions for the trial have been resolved, then the Vetalian delegation will take its place as members of the Jury."

"As Magister, I, along with any other legal counsels in attendance that are not involved in the trial itself will ensure that the process is in compliance with international law and that the process is fair and equitable."

"Thank you."

(OOC: well, a first point would be appointing judges from a nation which judicial systems are fair and uncorrupted (I'm not saying that your nation has an unfair and corrupted judicial system, but I mean that we should use real judges, which are paid for these sorts of jobs). Using military commanders as judges and jury is not really a good idea if you want an unbiased court. And I'm not available for playing a judge or anything, I only have basic knowledge about the Dutch judicial system, which doesn't look like the US one by any means. Plus, I don't have the time to do it. Other than appointing 'real' judges (By which I mean, from nations with fair systems and paid judges), I don't really know how to make it more independent.)

OOC: My character is "Jack of All Trades" who is not limited to military command. I don't really have the time to look for other judges. Besides, it's all pretend anyway.

(OOC: A tribunal where one is 'pretending' to make it unbiased would, as Weber said, be boycotted by VL. They would just ship others who should stand trial over to VL, instead of sending them here. Plus, the punishment of Adler would not be recognised as 'legal'. Just my 2 cents.)

(OOC: A tribunal where one is 'pretending' to make it unbiased would, as Weber said, be boycotted by VL. They would just ship others who should stand trial over to VL, instead of sending them here. Plus, the punishment of Adler would not be recognised as 'legal'. Just my 2 cents.)

(OOC: What I mean is, it's just a game. NationStates, that is.)

The following procedures will be added:

The jury is to decide sentencing, and hopefully a Cazelian will be in attendance to help decide.

The judge is merely the keeper of order. The judge has no power to decide a sentence.

Hopefully there are enough nations in attendance that have different views and legal systems, effectively making this unbiased.

(OOC: True, Agreed. An idea: Wouldn't someone from British Londinium in the jury make this more unbiased? Ofcourse, if BL wants to send a member of the jury.)

A tall man with a briefcase walked into the room. Giovanni Prodi was the New Brittonian in this room. With cord in session, his only option was to wait for a recess.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/10/17/pt_18LAWYER_ent-lead__200x214.jpg

OOC: Sure. I'll have one of my Ministry of Justice people serve as a juror.

OOC: Sure. I'll have one of my Ministry of Justice people serve as a juror.

OOC: Fine by me.

Ugh, I just got brake dust all over my keyboard. That's what I get for cleaning my car's wheels and then going to the computer.

OOC: Should I assume he's already in the jury box or whatever?

OOC: Should I assume he's already in the jury box or whatever?

Sure. *presses "Retcon" button*

OOC: As I was involved, and seeing BL was (before being kicked out) a GUSN member, I will be sending a judge as well.

IC:

The Soviet judge, Mr. Ryanna Jackson, entered the courtroom, carrying a bottle of water in one hand, and a small recorder on the other. She took her place among the other judges.

OOC: quick FYI. even if invited, no NSAA reps are in the room. I like my public opinion.

Why don't we have neutral nations like me be the jury and every one else is on the side they want?

Why don't we have neutral nations like me be the jury and every one else is on the side they want?

"closed" ?

Oh, sorry.