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Phoenix Dynamix has now released an all new airliner to the international market.

Promotional Information:

What if you could take vacation while traveling to your vacation?

Well soon you will be able to with Phoenix Dynamix's upcoming project, the Flying Greenhouse!
The Flying greenhouse will feature a transparent roof made of Lucite®, artificial rocks and waterfalls, real dirt and plants, and may be able to support some kinds of wildlife! Once the aircraft has taken off safely, Passengers will be able to leave their seats and enter the middle fuselage and walk along trails throughout the aircraft while its at cruising altitude. Your passengers will be able to have picnics, play games, swim or just sunbathe on the grass. Buy the Flying Greenhouse today!
http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/biodome/site/visite/medias/tropical/A-00697.jpg
Interior
The Green house jet is obviously based on the C-16 Pelican.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/flyingreenhouse.png
Role: Luxury Airliner / Skycruiser
Wingspan: 323 feet
Length: 279 feet
Height: (at Tail) 78 feet
Crew: 30+
Engines: 6 PD-2 GSX35Mk4.1 high bypass turbofans
Thrust: up to 60,000 lbs per engine
Max Speed: 520mph
Range: (normal payload) 3200 nm
Range: (w/ max fuel) 9,400 nm
Service Ceiling: 35,000 feet
Max Payload: 900,000 pounds maximum payload.

Price: $600 million with base plant arrangement.

Where will passengers sit during takeoff and landing? What measures are there to ensure passenger safety while at altitude? To illustrate, what is to prevent a passenger from hitting his head on a rock when the airliner encounters turbulence?

They will be able to sit on the park benches.
Or they can sit in the two outer fuselage sections, and animals will be kept in cages there.

Where will passengers sit during takeoff and landing? What measures are there to ensure passenger safety while at altitude? To illustrate, what is to prevent a passenger from hitting his head on a rock when the airliner encounters turbulence?

Simple, you worry too much about safety.

They will be able to sit on the park benches.

OOC: Park benches probably aren't the best choice for seating during takeoff/landing or turbulence. In fact, this entire thing is pretty silly. It makes a lot more sense to base an airplane's cabin off a nice hotel than a biodome.

OOC: Park benches probably aren't the best choice for seating during takeoff/landing or turbulence. In fact, this entire thing is pretty silly. It makes a lot more sense to base an airplane's cabin off a nice hotel than a biodome.

Been done: 1st class seating on upper-deck of 747
Before that, there were zeplins that could comfortably berth passengers for a week at a time.

Been done: 1st class seating on upper-deck of 747
Before that, there were zeplins that could comfortably berth passengers for a week at a time.

I'm not saying it's original, I'm saying that's what's logical...which is why people actually do it.

In fact, this entire thing is pretty silly. It makes a lot more sense to base an airplane's cabin off a nice hotel than a biodome.
Assuming, of course, that it's a plane. Could be a zeppelin, given the dearth of details.

Assuming, of course, that it's a plane. Could be a zeppelin, given the dearth of details.

I suppose. But it kind of defeats the purpose of a clear roof when all you would see is the inside of a big gas bag.

it is a plane

that zepplin idea deserves some looking into for the next version of this concept though

just wait i'm uploading the picture in a few minutes

During takeoffs and landings passengers will be kept in the two outer fuselage sections, and animals will be kept in cages.

OOC: I'm not sure how all the sun coming in that big skylight would change things, but I imagine that it would be rather chilly and not altogether very pleasant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse

I'm familiar with the concept...

However, it's more a large skylight and less a real greenhouse. And, of course, things are pretty chilly at cruising altitude. Also, I would imagine that greenhouses take hours if not longer to start heating up, so the beginning of even a long flight would be unpleasant.

I'm familiar with the concept...

Apparently not.

Apparently not.

I'm sorry, please tell me about your magical aircraft that instantly heats to a balmy 80ºF when exposed to sunlight.

I'm sorry, please tell me about your magical aircraft that instantly heats to a balmy 80ºF when exposed to sunlight.
Yes because I said it did that.

Yes because I said it did that.

Then please explain how my understanding it stunted. If nothing else, all the heat would escape during the loading/unloading process and then you would have to heat it up again, which takes time. Also, if you have ever been on a plane, you'll acknowledge that it is very cold– and you're not even outside. Shall I explain how cold things take longer than warm things to reach a given temperature?

You do realize that commercial airliners are pressurized heated don't you? Did you think this one wouldn't be? When did I ever say this aircraft was heated solely by the sun? How do you know what temprature the inside of the greenhouse will be kept at when I haven't even mentioned it? Why is it going to be 80 degrees, why not 75 degrees or 92 degrees?
Planes are not cold. They are insulated, pressurized and heated. If they weren't you would freeze to death at altitude. Temperature on a modern airline is controlled more so than in a house and can be changed to preference.

You do realize that commercial airliners are pressurized heated don't you? Did you think this one wouldn't be? When did I ever say this aircraft was heated solely by the sun? How do you know what temprature the inside of the greenhouse will be kept at when I haven't even mentioned it? Why is it going to be 80 degrees, why not 75 degrees or 92 degrees?
Planes are not cold. They are insulated, pressurized and heated. If they weren't you would freeze to death at altitude. Temperature on a modern airline is controlled more so than in a house and can be changed to preference.

Yes, I do realize they heat and pressurize planes. And yes, I actually was assuming that the garden section was heated just by the the sun, otherwise it wouldn't really make sense to call it a greenhouse.

80º is what we call an example...it has no firm factual basis except a set of assumptions. In this case, I assumed you would want the end result to be balmy, which, by my definition is around 80º.

You will also notice that I said "cold". Cold doesn't mean "you would freeze to death", the word for that is "freezing".

It is a greenhouse because it has plants under glass. Plants and trees, and furry animals like squirrels and monkeys and maybe some koala bears and parakeets. And the sun comes in and shines on the plants, and that way they don't all die. And the sun heats the air in the greenhouse, and keeps everything warm. And the people get to walk around in bikinis and speedos and look at the sky and think they are at the beach or a jungle even though they are 28,000 feet above the great Antarctic Desert. Why do you want to make trouble about it!!!!

ooc it's going to cost to redo all the runways so that thing can land and take off

not at at all, the super albatross is larger and heavier, and both the pelican and the super pelican are heavier

During takeoffs and landings passengers will be kept in the two outer fuselage sections, and animals will be kept in cages.

Suppose there's an inflight emergency, like for example, a loss of pressurization necessitating an emergency descent (essentially a steep dive). You really can't move everybody back to their seats and put the animals away quickly enough to avoid unimaginable problems in that center fuselage.

Also I should note, most wild animals are not particularly fond of riding in airplanes. In alot of cases the animals need to be tranquilized for the entire flight to avoid problems.

Further more, that giant dome for the greenhouse is an enormous safety problem. They make windows on airliners small deliberately to slow the rate of pressure change should one of the windows get broken, giving the crew and passengers enough time to put on supplemental oxygen before they pass out.

Did someone summon the lord of airships to this thread?

If you want to make an airship version of this (which, quite frankly, would be easy if you could afford a couple $100 million for an old Clipper-class Aerofreighter, then hack of the cargo gondola and replace it with said biome.) Though the airship would be in the way quite a bit of the time (that big gas bag and all), meaning... translucent envelope material at the top to let soft light down through 150m of airship cells and into the gondola...

Needs a bit of work on that idea. You can borrow airship designs from me if you want Phoenix, as long as you give me credit and ASK first. Alfegos likes itself being unique in one of the only nations to use more airships than it does conventional ships.

Wow, this is just really bizarre.

Even assuming it actually works, to get a low enough passenger density to make it actually being like in a park, with sufficient space per person for lounging on a park bench or following a 'trail' you would have to charge as much for a single ticket on this as for an entire row on a 737, if not the whole plane.

People don't care about being cramped for a few hours that much.

Did someone summon the lord of airships to this thread?

Yes, do fetch him.

Perhaps it will cruise at 8-12,000 ft
BUT
"Safety not guaranteed."
ALSO
Phoenix Dynamix has been making airships since 2003, and the credit to the idea of an airship version of the flying greenhouse would go to Otagia, If I ever decided to do it.

8,000 - 12,000 feet is not a good cruising altitude for an airliner, because it will get bounced and banged around like crazy from the weather. That's the reason why airliners generally fly above 30,000 feet during cruise.

Perhaps it will fly 50 feet above the ground.

Perhaps it will fly 50 feet above the ground.

You might as well just give everyone rollerblades, tell them to hold onto a rope and drag them through the forest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

Trees don't grow in water...

Please stop hijacking and trying to derail my thread.

Ostrich syndrome, mirite

nothing is sacred

The inside of the aircraft will look like this:
http://photos.igougo.com/images/p100886-Tucson-Inside_the_Desert_Biome.jpg
some rock features may be made of foam to save weight and prevent injury! most will be glued down.

for sale now 400 floors and be over 4,061ft tall,