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Per British Londinium request, ViZion will be sending representatives of the ViZionarian Government, 500 Marines, and 500 Peace Keepers into British Londinium.

As such, ViZion is able to extend the civilian evacuation from 24 hours until the end of the peace talks. ViZion still urges neutral nations to evacuate the civilians out of harms way as quickly as possible due to the instability of the situation.

John Richard, Edward Docks, and Lenin Michaels have boarded their jet and will be taking off from Vitalita within moments. The 500 Marines and 500 Peace Keepers wish to alert British Londinium and all forces they are preparing to head enter Londinium waters, to head to Kensington and stabilize and secure the airport for the arrival of the three ViZionarian representatives.

Aedifices Parliamentarii
Borough: City of Kensington
Kensington, British Londinium

"Attention!" screamed a sergeant. Three thousand Londinian army soldiers stood rigidly in their service dress uniform (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/RoyalAnglianRegimentHighStBedfordSmall.jpg/200px-RoyalAnglianRegimentHighStBedfordSmall.jpg) in front of the Aedifices Parliamentarii, awaiting the arrival of the ViZionian delegation.

Inside, Consul Sir Alistair Davidson slowly sipped a warm cup of Earl Grey tea, reclining in a leather swivel chair at the head of a long mahogany table within the Cabinet Chamber, an ornate and elegant room where his cabinet normally met. Today, the ViZionians would be in the room, and he would have to sue for peace.

May Aequitas guide us, he thought. And may Mars crush those who wish to destroy us.
OOC: From the other thread...

Two large transport ships slowly entered the Londinium waters. The ViZionarian guns on its battleships and destroyers aimed at the coast, ready in an instand to unlease a massive bombardment should the Londiniums attemt anything.

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As the two transport ships neared the beach, they dropped anchor. The 500 Marines and 500 Peace Keepers loaded up onto large speed boats, and zipped their way onto the beach, quickly charging up the beach, guns armed, looking for anything to go wrong. They had been given the location of the airport in which they had been ordered to secure for the diplomats.

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Several hours later, after the airport had been secured by the ViZionarian Marines and Peace Keepers, the jet carrying John Richard, Edward Docks, and Lenin Michaels touched down. It was a tricky landing, the troops having to fix the runway in a few short hours to be able to land on with whatever was available.

"Sir, welcome, SIR!" yelled the 1,000 ViZionarian's in attention to John Richard, Edward Docks, and Lenin Michaels. "Airport Secure." stated an officer.

"Good, now we await the arrival of the Londinium 'Welcoming' party."John Richard said. He looked around, "Damn, the first strike didn't completely level this airport? The the fuck is that terminal doing, still standing?" he said aloud, clearly unsatisfied that he could see buildings remaining in the capital, Kensington. He smelled the air, "Ahhh..." he said, "The smell of free demolition. For the Londinium government and military's sake, they better home they cooperate. But I am glad the civilians are being evacuated. At least THAT was a success. Flying over, and from the SatScan, there's still some fucking buildings left standing. How the fuck do we not have a 100% success rate in the first strike bombardment on their capital? There should not be a single fucking WALL standing." he yelled, clearly upset that not every single building had collasped. "I'm going to have to talk to the President about this. This is unacceptable!" he continued.

"And WHERE THE FUCK ARE THOSE LONDINIUMS?!" he screamed. "They should be here, waiting for us!"

"Excuse me, sirs," a Londinian colonel said behind the screaming ViZionian. "But, ah, you happen to be looking away from the Aedifices Parliamentarii, which are just over here." He pointed towards the military columns and the Parliament building. "Welcome to Kensington. Shall I escort you into the negotiation room?"

OOC dont the other nations @ war with londinum take part in the confrence?

OOC dont the other nations @ war with londinum take part in the confrence?

OOC: No. Stay out of this until you can refrain from using that symbol to write the word "at".

"Excuse me, sirs," a Londinian colonel said behind the screaming ViZionian. "But, ah, you happen to be looking away from the Aedifices Parliamentarii, which are just over here." He pointed towards the military columns and the Parliament building. "Welcome to Kensington. Shall I escort you into the negotiation room?"
"Who the hell is that?" John said, whipping around. The ViZionarian soldiers all trained their guns towards the direction of the voices.

After he realized who was yelling, "God damn Londiniums!" he said in a loud tone, "They should be glad our soldiers had not shot them down!" He began walking over towards the building. And what kind of damn service is this? They want peace, yet they wont even send a vehicle over to pick us up? He have to WALK? he thought.

As the British Londinium officials and their ViZionian counterparts practically engaged in open hostilities below, an Avisronian government owned AurisaJet touched down nearby. Aboard were two Avisronian representatives sent to... present the Avisronian version of whatever the ViZionians said.

[OOC: Sorry for the shitty post. Not much I can do yet.]

TO : ViZion-British Londinium Peace Conference
FROM: The Commonwealth of the Crystal Mountains

RE: Humanitarian Aid

________________________________________________

The CCM operates a number of disaster and emergency response assets. We request permission to send a hospital ship, the Compassion, to British-Londonium.

This ship is completely unarmed and will need security from peacekeeping forces. It is equipped with helicopters and hydro-foils so it can operate off shore at anchor.

Other assets that can be deployed are: a second hospital ship and an air-mobile hospital. Upon receiving permission to enter British-Londonium territory, the ships can arrive ~8 days. The air-mobile hospital could arrive in 36 hours.

Just let us know what you need.

The only condition for deployment is that a credible cease-fire must be in place.

We urge both sides to reach a just and equitable peace so that the healing may begin.

The colonel nervously led the ViZionians into the Parliament building, through the wood-paneled hallways, underneath the ceiling murals, and into the Cabinet Chamber. Sir Alistair was still sipping his tea when the colonel entered with the ViZionians; the colonel said, "Consul, I give you John Richard, Edward Docks, and Lenin Michaels," before briskly exiting.

The Consul rose and bowed deeply towards the three. "Greetings, sirs," he said.

Ambassador Robyn Gates, the Avisronian representative sent to the BL peace conference, hurriedly moved towards the Parliament building, following the ViZionians who had been escorted in in front of her. She had her Avisronian government credentials in one hand, ready to identify herself to the first Londinium soldier who stopped her.

"Identification, please," one of the soldiers said, but upon glancing at the papers clutched in her hand, he merely said, "Just follow the ViZionians to the Cabinet Chamber."

Ambassador Gates and her assistant finally slowed to a walk as they entered the Parliament building. As instructed, they simply followed those in front of them.

OOC: Can I attend the conference to? As a mere observer, I can send one officer from my military base there.

OOC: Go ahead, assume they went in with the Avrisonian.

OOC *sigh* Go ahead.

OOC: I'd like to attend as a neutral member, especially in regard to an objective investigation of any possible war crimes on either side.

OOC: Go ahead, assume they went in with the Avrisonian.

Colonel Adrian went in behind the Avisronian, showing his credentials to the guard. He had come all the way from "Outpost Fort" to observe the conference and to make sure the Londinians werent ripped off by the ViZionians, he had been assured by his goverment that, should anyone try to attack the Londinian civilian populace (like the ViZionians had), he/she'd have the entire Soviet Army ready to kick his ass.

OOC: quick post while at work
IC:
Five ViZionarian Peace Keepers were instructed to unarm themselves, giving their fellow Peace Keepers their weapons, and to follow the three ViZionarian delagates into the building.

TO: ViZion & British Londonium Delegations
FROM: The Commonwealth of the Crystal Mountains


RE: Humanitarian Aid

______________________________________________

Again: we request permission to deploy our hospital ship the Compassion to the war zone for the purpose of providing humanitarian aid.

The Compassion will treat anyone who is sick or injured regardless of side and needs no docking space to operate.

If needed her sister ship the Restoration can also be deployed to the area and we have an air-mobile hospital that can be on the ground and operation in 36 hours.

British Londinium will allow you to do so.

As soon as word reaches the Commonwealth that permission to deploy for humanitarian aid and medical assistance has been granted, orders are sent to the Compassion and her task group: fast transport Mount Ormond, oiler Northshore and Lancer class destroyers Bridges and Holland. The group is already in route anticipating approval.
|___________________________________________________|

Compassion's Bridge at sea:

An excited Ensign with a sheet of paper burst onto the bridge, "Flash traffic for the Captain, Sir."

Captain Kelly took the paper and read:


To : Compassion Task Group
From: CCM HQ

RE : Clearance Granted to begin B-L Humanitarian Relief Operations

___________________________________________________________

Proceed to British Londonium waters and commence medical relief operations immediately. Escort ships will stay on station outside the 12 mile limit.

Evaluate situation on the ground and report further humanitarian and recovery needs to HQ as soon as practical.

Godspeed Compassion.

_____________________________________________________________

Despite being expected, it is still nerve racking sailing into a war zone even when your ship is painted bright white with a big red cross on her side.

Kelly turned to the Ensign and ordered, "Make sure all of the ships in our task group got this message.

I also want you to draft a message to the International Medical Foundation. Tell them who we are and where we are heading. Ask for all available information on treating nerve gas casualties. Copy that to HQ."

"Aye, Sir." The Ensign saluted smartly and vanished down stairs at the rear of the bridge.

Kelly picked up the radio on the bridge. He switched to a secure channel and keyed the mike, "Compassion actual to Bridges over."

"This is the David Bridges. We copy, over."

"Bridges, what does our threat board look like? Over."

The voice changed, "This is Bridges actual. An hour ago we got a sniff of a submerged contact that we characterized as a Sierra class attack sub but his track leads him away from the convoy. We have several electronic contacts from over the horizon. There is a SPY-1 intermittently radiating at bearing 037, a Foghorn C class radar contact at 142 and what appears to be a carrier task force at 260 showing E-2c and SPY-3 radar signatures."

Kelly sighed. It's busy out there and some big dogs were roaming. "Would it hurt our security situation if we increased speed to two-five knots?"

"No sir, Compassion. We can compensate by running the Seahawks out in front of convoy."

"Thank you Bridges."

Captain Kelly changed the configuration on the encrypted radio and keyed the mike again, "This is Compassion actual to Task Group, increase speed to flank."

The colonel nervously led the ViZionians into the Parliament building, through the wood-paneled hallways, underneath the ceiling murals, and into the Cabinet Chamber. Sir Alistair was still sipping his tea when the colonel entered with the ViZionians; the colonel said, "Consul, I give you John Richard, Edward Docks, and Lenin Michaels," before briskly exiting.

The Consul rose and bowed deeply towards the three. "Greetings, sirs," he said.
Edward Docks and Lenin Michaels nodded to the colonel, thanking him for bringing them in. John walked ahead of the two other ViZionarians, clearly ready to get this moving.

"So..." he started, "Shall we begin?" he asked in a normal voice, having calmed down a little.

-TLA Military Command-
Three figures silently sat in the empty room discussing further plans.
"Sub deployment has reached 100%, they should be prepping ambush points within 8 hours." said one sitting in what was usually a General's chair.
"Good, Good, are they equipped enough?" Said another from one of the Department chairs.
"They are well stocked with both nuclear and conventional Cruise missiles.
"If Yallak does get in on this, you are to take them down as quickly as possible, and what of our other mission?" The second person said turning to a third, who had been leaning against a wall.
"Our spies have already identified what could be an Angelic Freedom cell in a warehouse in ViZion, we plan on hitting it soon, move in, kill everyone inside, then light the place up."
"Good." the second answered.
"Oh, What's the status of the peace talks?" The first person asked.
"They're just beginning, leave that to me, you cover your end." The second answered.
"Right."

OOC: This is just a 'for-the-record' post incase war does break back out.

IC:

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM TSRT
"Let it be known that the government of British Londinium has the full support of the Totalitarian State in the event of war."
End Statement

Compassion Task Group
CCM Destroyer David Bridges
Combat Information Center

It didn't matter how long Commander Brenner, the XO of the David Bridges, looked at the plot, the two unclassified submarine contacts 190 kilometers apart only got stronger.

Sonabouys dropped by Bridges and Hollands six SH-60 Seahawk helicopters had been firming up the two contacts for several hours now. The two subs were slowly cruising figure- 8 courses about 25 kilometers long: fairly typical of an attack sub patrolling an area.

The CIC Duty Officer Lt. McCoy asked, "Why are they so far apart?

"Depends on the subs and their missions. We can't get a good read on their classification but they are fairly quiet so its a good bet they are newer boats. At that distance a modern sonar suite could easily monitor traffic. If they are missile subs, at that spacing, they could throw one hell of an ambush. A cross fire of super-sonic missiles could ruin your whole day."

McCoy looked at the plot which put the Compassion's task group right down the middle of the sub gauntlet and asked the obvious question. "So Commander, what do we do about it?"

Brenner replied, "I think that I'm going to suggest that we use one of those fancy new decoys called the Fox-Fire and program it to sound just like our task group. We run the Fox-Fire ahead of the group at 25 knots while the real task group drops speed to 5 knots and acts like a hole in the water. Then we wait and see. If those subs are hostile, we'll know soon enough."

McCoy suggested, "You get the Skipper on board with your plan and I'll program the Fox-Fire."

Edward Docks and Lenin Michaels nodded to the colonel, thanking him for bringing them in. John walked ahead of the two other ViZionarians, clearly ready to get this moving.

"So..." he started, "Shall we begin?" he asked in a normal voice, having calmed down a little.

"Yes," the Consul said. "I will not contest that ViZion isn't our...most favourite nation, not by a long shot. But ViZion certainly isn't an enemy of ours. What possible interest would we have in attacking peacekeepers in Cazelia? We've already left - if anything, we would be trying to distance ourselves from the situation, not embroil ourselves in further conflict. Five million have already died, and that is far too many lives lost already. I ask that ViZion and the coalition nations cease and desist attacks."

"Yes," the Consul said. "I will not contest that ViZion isn't our...most favourite nation, not by a long shot. But ViZion certainly isn't an enemy of ours. What possible interest would we have in attacking peacekeepers in Cazelia? We've already left - if anything, we would be trying to distance ourselves from the situation, not embroil ourselves in further conflict. Five million have already died, and that is far too many lives lost already. I ask that ViZion and the coalition nations cease and desist attacks."
"Consul," started John, "What exactly IS your reasoning? There are many potential reasons. For one, you may have tried to destabilize an already shaky nation. Two, as you stated, we are not your favorite nation. We were part of the reason you were pressured out. We also were the first of many to detail your citizens. Your distaste for us has shown and is well known. You may have contacted Angelic Freedom, or even they may have contacted you. There's many reasons, and we ask you what your reasoning is for supporting this attack against our peace keepers.

As for ceasing our hostilities against you, that is what we are here for, is it not? ViZion - and its allies - will cease any and all military hostilities against your nation, turning around and heading home. HOWEVER! We do have terms that we will require you meet for this.

First off, we will require the dearming of your military forces. Doing so will prove to all nations you are completely serious about peace, and ending any and all military hostilities. In return, ViZion will be offering 100% defense to your nation should it come under attack by any nations, so long as you're not the one to instigate the conflict. This will stand for 75 years before you may rearm.

Second and last is, we will be requiring a change of government. ViZion and the allied forces will be overseeing this change. This new government will be required it be setup towards human rights and a more peaceful approach to things. Genocide, imperialism, and the like will no longer be tolerated from the nation of British Londinium.

Should these two simple terms be accepted, ViZion will be ordering the immediate withdrawl of all allied forces, and we will begin the rebuilding of your nation, as well as assisting in humanitarian missions across your nation. ViZion will also be arming up to make sure your nation remains safe from military aggression. An attack upon British Londinium will, simply put, be an attack against ViZion, just as it is with any of our close allies.

Your nations debt will also be cancelled, not being required to repay for any damages done towards ViZion or those done in Cazelia. ViZion will be covering those debts. ViZion will also be paying 100% of the reconstruction cost on your behalf.

ViZion will take care of your nation. If you would like, ViZion will provide military forces within your nation for rapid reaction should a sneak attack take place upon your nation. ViZion will assure you of your nations 100% protection for the 75 years your nation is unarmed. All you have to do is accept those two generous and simple terms put forth by the ViZionarian government.

It is completely in your ballpark, Consul." John finished.

I, King Chasengnou will be sending to 500 marines and 500 peace keepers...Also I am sending 20 Chevy Silverado with machine gun mounted in the bed. If the country ViZion requires more troops I will send more to aide. I'm in alliance with the Country of ViZion and its allies.

OOC: Aw man, i was hoing you'd make him give up his colonies. Ah well, does this mean that his base in my nation will be shut down?

OOC: Aw man, i was hoing you'd make him give up his colonies. Ah well, does this mean that his base in my nation will be shut down?
OOC: Well, considering he'd have no armed forces... ;) lol

OOC: I no longer intend on participating in this RP. You may or may not accuse me of being an asshole who refuses to lose, but I consider that terror attack to have crossed the line into bad form. Since I refuse to recognize the terrorist attack ever occuring, your war against me is, by default, ignored as of...now.

Wuss.

OOC: I'm not a 'wuss'. This whole RP has been nothing but a mix of bad RP, dogpiling, and bad form.

[OOC: I disagree with BL. This RP, up until now, has been developing really well, if you ignore the acts of the noobs. But hey, it's totally your right to ignore this RP. I'm sure many other people will, in turn, ignore the entire existence of your nation.]

OOC: That's their choice.

OOC: Uh? Wugga? What terror attack? I'm so confused... :confused:

OOC: Uh? Wugga? What terror attack? I'm so confused... :confused:

OOC: ViZion went to war with me because some nation I've never heard of decided to implicate me in some attack on ViZionian peacekeepers. I think that's really bad form, especially when that nation didn't TG or communicate with me at all. So I'm ignoring the attack, which, by default, means I ignore this thread.

OOC: Oh! Fair enough. Seems like the sensible thing to do.

ooc: Well, actualy ViZion said that war will come in his regional board already before that terror attack, so it was clearly pre-planned with that terrorist who made attack.

Olmedreca;12886444']ooc: Well, actualy ViZion said that war will come in his regional board already before that terror attack, so it was clearly pre-planned with that terrorist who made attack.

OOC: How was I supposed to see that?

OOC: dogpiling...

ooc:
This is what bothered me.

I did everything that I could think of for forestall hostilities.

It reminded me of March 2003: the machine was in motion and all the bandwagon riders were aboard.

It would have been interesting if, like Iraq, the occupation of BL had become a long, ugly bleeding insurgency. See how quickly the bandwagon riders jump off when it gets messy.

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As a neutral party interested in stability and economically viable trading partners, we offer the following suggestions.

One of the problems with peace treaties is that they address the past and present but ignore the future. History has shown that peace treaties with punitive terms often sow the seeds for larger, more destructive conflicts.

The two terms required by ViZion are:

1) The complete disarmament of British-Londonium with ViZion assuming responsibility of the defense of B-L for a period of 75 years.

2) A change in government.

On point 1, this appears to be a recipe for a long-term occupation of B-L which will most probably become a long, drawn-out insurgency that will serve no ones interest.

We offer an alternative: rather than a complete demilitarization of B-L, her military be limited to a Self-Defense force similar to that of Post-war Japan. eg. No surface ships bigger than a cruiser [<25,000tons], no aircraft carriers, ballistic missile subs or other naval weapons systems capable of power projection. Her Air Forces are limited to Airborne Early Warning, Interceptors, Maritime Patrol and light tactical aircraft. The army is limited to a number of divisions requisite to insure internal stability and deter external aggression.

ViZion, if she so desires, may maintain a limited number of bases in B-L territory. Those bases will be considered to be like embassy grounds: ViZion territory. Their placement is a matter of mutual agreement by both parties.

This will serve both ViZion and B-L's long-term interest: ViZion will not be mired in a long, expensive and most probably bloody occupation.

This will quicken B-L's recovery and their military, though much smaller, will be a cheaper, leaner, more professional force.

On point 2, British-Londonium is in the process of holding elections. A new government is assured and this point will easily be met.

Furthermore- we propose that B-L have set aside one of her ports as a free-trade zone. This will help spur the economy toward recovery.

OOC: Crystal Mountains, those were some great suggestions, but I'm not participating in this RP.

OOC: Ok, that's annoying. If it's true that this whole ignoring the war is based on that terrorist attack. Fine. HOWEVER, you should have done this at the begining of the RP, not in the middle when the pressure is on you. If you didn't want to accept that, then it's RP etiquette to just say no at the begining. Cancelling a RP in the middle of it because, at a whim, you decide to ignore it even though no one is godmodding/etc is just plain BS.

As such, next time you enter a RP w/ me, this will be remembered. You should have done this at the begining.

Olmedreca;12886444']ooc: Well, actualy ViZion said that war will come in his regional board already before that terror attack, so it was clearly pre-planned with that terrorist who made attack.
OOC: I'd like to clear this up. This was actually during the time in which I felt war is going to happen w/ BL due to his actions he was taking.

OOC: Crystal Mountains, those were some great suggestions, but I'm not participating in this RP.


OOC: OK then, your choice. My nation has no embargo on any goods then; and the advisory issued in that RP is void.

But are you also ignoring the detaining of all the foreign citizens? Because that one everyone was fine with; a little bit of snappishness and tension, and your nation got to look nasty/badarse without actually doing anything.

Interesting... I go to work for two days and the whole war dies. What happened BL?? ViZion makes a valid point, if you were going to ignore this why wait until the invasion thread reaches page 9 + however long the peace talks went for?

You weren't totally outnumbered...

OOC: Detaining my civilians - I didn't ignore that. I, to be honest, ignored this due to a combination of things, none of which, by themselves, was really enough to ignore. First there was the bad-form-terrorist-attack, followed by what amounted to dogpiling, and then there was ViZion using the combination of those to his advantage to create unfair RP for, what I feel, were OOC reasons. All there is to it. I'm aware that this probably will damage the pitifully small reputation I hold as an RPer, but that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess.

OOC: Detaining my civilians - I didn't ignore that. I, to be honest, ignored this due to a combination of things, none of which, by themselves, was really enough to ignore. First there was the bad-form-terrorist-attack, followed by what amounted to dogpiling, and then there was ViZion using the combination of those to his advantage to create unfair RP for, what I feel, were OOC reasons. All there is to it. I'm aware that this probably will damage the pitifully small reputation I hold as an RPer, but that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess.
OOC reasons? I don't know about you, but I dont intermix OOC and IC. Maybe you do, I don't. I thought you were pretty cool OOCly, and I talk to alotta people who are mortal enemies of mine OOCly. I had absolutely NO OOC problems with you. But this just pisses me off.

When I was loosing the war against Doomani/etc, and faced the chance of loosing my homeland, Italy, as well as Tunisia (which I ended up loosing), did I ignore that? No. I kept RPing, even if I did loose pretty badly.

As for the dogpile, that is why I ended up limiting who could join. And others, such as Yallak, were ready to aid you at a moments notice. And you, being on the defensive, do have advantages in there as well. Rather you would have lost or not, that shouldn't have mattered. And for the terms (assuming that's part of your complaint on my "advantages"), you should make a counter offer. But you didn't. If you had expressed your concern to me/others OOCly, then maybe we wouldn't have been in this situation. Usually, if you express your concern about a 'dogpile' without being an ass, people will agree to exit the RP. But you didn't even do that, you just ignored everything related to this RP, and the way you did it makes it look to most everyone (myself included) that you just did this so you would not have the chance of loosing.

Looking back, now in retrospect, there were a lot of things you could have done ICly, BL, instead of just OOCly ignoring the war...

For instance, you could have ICly spoke out against the terror organization and allowed some internal investigation of your own to prove that you had nothing to do with Angelic Freedom. You could have opened up to foreign pressures for an international investigation on the matter. Perhaps you could have began working with foreign pressures to bring down Angelic Freedom. All of this could have been done ICly to avoid war.

However, you chose to just plain ignore the thread, which is your choice of course. Not something I agree with, but you could have avoided losing credibility as an RPer. I know I learned my lesson with that years ago, and I'm a much better RPer for it. Take my advice BL, always look for an IC way out, rather than just ignore. :)

Jarridia: I'll keep that in mind next time.

Jarridia: I'll keep that in mind next time.

Why not keep it in mind this time.

You can just restart the RP, limiting who can reenter on both sides to prevent any dog-piles. The wars not yet really started, as the peace talks are still going so you've plenty of time to try and work your way out of it ICly/damn your enemies/kill some random underling or whatever. And Yallak can send a rep to the talks to if you want to crush the hopes and demands of your enemies...*insert maniacal laughter*

And should war actually break out you've got Yallak on your side and ViZion and Jarridia have both recently come out of a massive war with Doom, in which Jarridia at least had severe damage to his fleet and lost millions of soldiers and civilians alike. (Yallak was actually allied to them in that war too I should mention and has been to ViZion for much longer than that, though nothing formal like I have with you).

Ignore's should always be a last resort. So far in NS i've only ever ignored one post, though that wasn't even a proper ignore because I pointed out what was wrong with the post and the other player rewrote it to remove the godmod.

Actually, outright denying that you had anything to do with it and offering condolences would have been enough for our nation to stand down.

But no matter what you may think, it wasn't a dogpile.

You had multiple groups rallying to YOUR side as well. It wasn't an "Everyone against you." Situation. Never was.

OOC: what do the combatants think of the peace terms that I suggested [see a page back].

I prefer the role of diplomat/negotiater to that of tossing bombs and missiles [have you seen how much those things cost these days? :eek:). I wondered:

Would those terms have been enough to make everyone stand down?

What might have been the counter proposals?

OOC: what do the combatants think of the peace terms that I suggested [see a page back].

I prefer the role of diplomat/negotiater to that of tossing bombs and missiles [have you seen how much those things cost these days? :eek:). I wondered:

Would those terms have been enough to make everyone stand down?

What might have been the counter proposals?
Point one would have been accepted, point two would not have been. However, this would not have caused us to march out. Point two, we would have held strong that a new government would have displaced the current one.

OOC: Detaining my civilians - I didn't ignore that.

OK, then the travel warning I issued in that post remains current.

And it was slightly bad form to wait until this point to declare an ignore, but so were all those people piling on after both you and I asked everyone to please wait until after you had a chat to ViZion. Still, it is your decision.

Oh, and what LSA said would have been enough for him would have sufficed for us to revoke that trade ban thing.