NationStates Jolt Archive

Alright, on the advice of the good people at E1914, here's my plan:

I used to run the Earth Imperialism series, and while decent enough, they tended to fall through rather quickly. So, providing this one doesnt, we can hopefully get a decent RP going. Since this wont be alt-hist, we can dispense with the argueing about OMG UR GUYZ ART AZ GUD AZ MYNE and HOPEFULLY not descend into a spiral of OOC screaming.

Now, I am NOT a fan of numbers and such, I find having to add, subtract, multiply and divide by pi to find out what your nations military is like to be annoying and degarding to the RP. So, this is going to be as freeform as possible. However, the issue of technology frequently arises, so I'm working on something like a 'technology raffle' where nations will invest points to determine who gets what. Yes, that does mean that it is possible that, say, Mexico, could build the worlds very first steam ship. Unlikely, but possible.

In terms of time progression, one year per RL week has been fine in the past, although if there is a major war it may be slowed down a bit.

The claims system will be similar to HST's, but thats where we hit the bit I'd like to do differently.

I'm CONSIDERING not using the 'real world' map, but my own, highly modified, version which I previously used in a fantasy RP. Naturally we wont be featuring elves, goblins, etc. in this semi-historical RP, BUT, since we're discarding local populations, locations of cities, culture, and so forth, I think we may as well toss conventional geography out the window as well.
A few minor modifications and I'll be posting the map for your approval.

Other than that, I feel the 1820's are a better period than the Napoleonic since we'll be developing trains soon enough, which means that troops can get where theyre needed in less than a year. Times of great innovation, etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm not terribly good at summaries of this sort. Ideas and suggestions are welcomed.

I'm in. :D

Sounds interesting. I'll give it a whirl.

Aaaaand, here's the map.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2954/worldrefusedtochangejm1.png

I left the basic appearance of the world in place, so people dont feel TOO confused. The climate is generally similar everywhere as well, but I think that mixing things up a little bit, plus the nice island chains, should make things interesting.
I still need to divide it up into provinces for claims, and how I'm going to do that, I dont know.

Aaaaand, here's the map.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2954/worldrefusedtochangejm1.png

I left the basic appearance of the world in place, so people dont feel TOO confused. The climate is generally similar everywhere as well, but I think that mixing things up a little bit, plus the nice island chains, should make things interesting.
I still need to divide it up into provinces for claims, and how I'm going to do that, I dont know.

How about this: let people carve out General regions they wish to call their own.

o...k....

map location is blocked by my ISP.... reason label "PROXY" [which is a new one to me] i'd suggest linking it as an image rather than just posting the link, as often that'll let me see it.

I'm Really not that familiar with anything post Napoleonic tech wise. but hey, why not. it means i get to give my cavalry rifles, no bad thing. though....

while trains are available, they're kinda rubbish until about 184X.

all that aside, I'm interested :D sign me up. just... need to be able to see the map...

Yes, but then we get lots large empires. I was hoping for something similar to HST's system where we had a few large powers and many smaller states. If everybody is equal in power, then nobody will do anything.

Ok, just making a suggestion. :)

There ya go, Anger. Enjoy your scrollrape >_>

Anyway, 1820's tech pretty much IS Napoleonic. Tactics wont change until the 1850's, even though we're starting to use rifles more and more. Muskets are still common though.

*le sigh* not showing up.

anyway, that's good to know.

i do know that by the American civil war cavalry is basically worthless except as scouts or a fast unit that dismounts for combat. infantry shoot it lots and it dies. heh.

Ah well...
How's Megaupload work for you?
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PSPW06UZ

link's not blocked, which is always a start. [it's not often that that feature interferes with stuff i actually want to get at, actually]

though...

how do i actually view the image? :P it's mostly a page full of advertising and a strip down the bottom giving file name, type, and size :S

Top right corner, put the code into the little text box and hit 'download'

Consider Urcea in.

there we go.

also thank you.

also: as image hosting sites go, that place Sucks... it officially rates a "most awkward ever" hehe.

on the up side: Map! ... and it looks nifty. sorta earthy but not...

i also see some recognizable land masses [south island of NZ, and Stewart island, totally unchanged apart from a very slight orientation shift and a significant slip to the west, among others. ]


is there, out of curiosity, more detailed geography for any of that map? or do we get to make it all up? :D

Are we allowed to make claims yet?

there we go.

also thank you.

also: as image hosting sites go, that place Sucks... it officially rates a "most awkward ever" hehe.

on the up side: Map! ... and it looks nifty. sorta earthy but not...

i also see some recognizable land masses [south island of NZ, and Stewart island, totally unchanged apart from a very slight orientation shift and a significant slip to the west, among others. ]


is there, out of curiosity, more detailed geography for any of that map? or do we get to make it all up? :D
Megauploads is a file uploading service, its not just for pictures, but anything you'd like. I just picked it 'cause it was convinient.

The local geography is generally similar to what it would be in RL terms, IE: Lots of grasslands and such in Europe, steppes in central Asia, jungle in South America, but the local geography is pretty much up to you.

Are we allowed to make claims yet?

Not yet, I need to figure out how to divide the map up and get some other things worked out first :D

Count me in.
Is there going to be any method, other than player preference, for limiting the size of claims and populations, or are we going to be relying on the common sense and good drills of the individuals concerned?

I'd of course be in.

I'll join as well but I share Incognitia's conserns. As well I am not very fimilair with the time period is there any thing big historicly at the RL time that you could that you could use so I could get my "time barings" so to speek.

Edit: Extra points for Canadian events.

Big stuffs in the 1820's?
Well, the Napoleonic wars are over; the Spanish colonies in South America are revolting; Britain is getting industrial and fairly seriously rich. (No railways yet though).
Canadian events, I'm afraid I really don't have a clue.

Big stuffs in the 1820's?
Well, the Napoleonic wars are over; the Spanish colonies in South America are revolting; Britain is getting industrial and fairly seriously rich. (No railways yet though).
Canadian events, I'm afraid I really don't have a clue.

Well when was the US civil war was it around then? How much has changed between the war of 1812 and then? What about the whole going west thing?

Well when was the US civil war was it around then? How much has changed between the war of 1812 and then? What about the whole going west thing?

US Civil War started in 1861 and lasted until 1865.

I'm in, by the way.

In terms of tech we are seeing very early steam trains and steam ships and armies still use the smoothbore flintlock musket as their primary weapon. We won't see rifled muskets as a major weapons for another 20-30 years or so, and precussion cap weapons will show up in large numbers in about the same time.

In terms of tech we are seeing very early steam trains and steam ships and armies still use the smoothbore flintlock musket as their primary weapon. We won't see rifled muskets as a major weapons for another 20-30 years or so, and precussion cap weapons will show up in large numbers in about the same time.

So would it be corect to compare it to the later ages of age of empires 3?

As has been noted, tech will START Napoleonic. Every year or two, we'll do a tech raffle to see who gets to invent what. That means technology WILL advance somewhat faster than normal, but we wont be going as far as the 1850's, although we may brush up against it every now and then.

I'm working on the map now, I've just finished Europe and I'm moving into Asia :P

I'll be gone for the next but should this indeed get started I would gladly join. Or if you could give me a nice island out of the way the main group that be goo, but I can wait for a week.

I'm in if y'all will have me, this seems like an interesting idea, and I do like the tech. raffle idea very much. Sooo, basically I'm in man.

Alright, I'm almost done with the initial part of the map, so here's how its gonna work.
The initial claim wil lbe made in Europe, Asia, or North Africa. Everything outside of that is colonial territory. Later on (as with E1914) you'll be able to claim outside of that area, both for colonies and main nations, but for now we're keeping it limited to those areas.

The number of provinces you can claim is determined as such:

1st claim: 45 provinces
2nd claim: 40
3rd Claim: 35
And so on, down to five. After that, everybody gets five provinces. Later on, colonial claims will be based on nation population or something. I'll figure it out later :P
Claims can begin once I finish up and post the map. I'll upload it to NS this time so Anger doesnt have to suffer through Megauploads again ;)

EDIT:
Also, the first person to claim on a continient gets to name it, 'cause we need names other than Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.
Stupid names will be rejected and the next person'll get to name the place :P

*Sigh* I'm assuming that you count as the first claim, which would mean I would get, what 5, places to claim.

Of course, I made the map, that means I get dibs on placing my nation. But claims count in the order theyre made AFTER I post the map. That means if youre quick, you'll get 40 claims.

How many territories is a continent?

It seems Jolt isnt going to let me upload it, so heres the megaupload. Post your claims as urls from imageshack or something. DO NOT post them with img tags. The map is way to huge for that >_>;
Also, islands without lines on them count as 1/2 claim each. You dont have to use all your claim points :P

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BK0Y04BL

It seems Jolt isnt going to let me upload it, so heres the megaupload. Post your claims as urls from imageshack or something. DO NOT post them with img tags. The map is way to huge for that >_>;
Also, islands without lines on them count as 1/2 claim each. You dont have to use all your claim points :P

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BK0Y04BL

Imageshack or phail.

No seriously, I can't download it.

Check your TGs, btw.

Can I take less then 40 if I want?

*le sigh*
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9747/worldrefusedtochangeqx3.png

Enjoy.

As I said, you dont HAVE to use all your claims.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4215/worldrefusedtochangeqx3lq6.png

Sorry for bad text, MS Paint don't wanna type letters.

ALSO (courtesy of JuniorGeneral.com):
URCEAN ROYAL INFANTRY TROOPS:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2594/urceaninfantryfc0.gif


If you want a template, I'll post it. I have Brit 1812, US 1812, Prussians (American Revolt), South American Revolution Republican Infantry, Royalist Infantry, etc.

Just ask.

le bump

Sorry about beating you out to the 40 claims....:p

Rodenka (http://www.mypicshare.com/full_image.php?id=a8jqzhv8&kk=4699b717)

Sorry for shitty text. Some problem as Urcea.

For the lulz, I updated it:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4315/worldrefusedtochangeqx3hh8.png
Sorry about purple, but it was the best color to stand out :p

on a semi unrelated note:

incognitia and i [mostly i] were looking at the effects of the landforms on the ocean currents, and those on the distribution of heat around the globe, and That on the climate in various areas...

i'll admit it the thought's aren't finished, but the currents, and thus climates, are very different from earth because of where all the bits of rock and stuff are.

just a bit of a heads up there.

i have an example of major thermal currents i can post shortly, if necessary.

edit: or not... gah. I'll see what i can do about making that available at Some point. makes making my claims a bit of a challenge too.

edit the second: based on the fact that i can't post any images, i'll just have to Say what i want to claim *le sigh*. i guess i'll go with "turkey" from the border of Kitezh, east [and south] until whoever is putting it on the map runs out of territories for me to claim within my limit. hehe.



edit the third: not that i'm going to Call it turkey, you understand. and that includes the bit that sticks south out into the ocean there so i have that large 'bay' ... mostly surrounded.

Well sense you got it up so early..

http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/lordmango3/?action=view&current=worldrefusedtochangeqx3hh8.png
My claims in blue although I don't have anything either to write with.

Jacked your infantry template until I can get to the computer with photoshop and chop up some of the other ones.

Rodenkan Infantry (http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/?action=view&current=rodenkaninfantry.gif)

EDIT: Can you post Prussians for me?

Gotcha.
FYI, I just used MSpaint. It works quite well for this sort of thing ;)

Jacked your infantry template until I can get to the computer with photoshop and chop up some of the other ones.

Rodenkan Infantry (http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/?action=view&current=rodenkaninfantry.gif)

EDIT: Can you post Prussians for me?

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3456/prusinfzz8.png

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/?action=view&current=rodenkainfantry2.gif

Rodenkan Infantry update!

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/?action=view&current=rodenkainfantry2.gif

Rodenkan Infantry update!

Anything else? Perhaps you want artillery or cavalry to color? Or maybe you want an all-Zouave army?

Some dragoons and hussars would be sweet, and some jaegers.

Some dragoons and hussars would be sweet, and some jaegers.

No 1820s Jaegars, but:

(ripped directly):

http://www.juniorgeneral.org/donated/jon/1805pdrag.gif
Dragoon

http://www.juniorgeneral.org/donated/jon/1805phus.gif
Hussar

http://www.juniorgeneral.org/donated/hazelton/LatinWars.gif
Some South American soldiers, for lulz

I call getting 4th spot meaning i get 30 places i'm working on the map right now.

Ok sorry for the poor writing but in case you cant read it my nation will be called the "Kingdom of Bautzen." Obviously its in the green I'm not sure if Waldenburg claimed any of this 'cause I cant see his claims but I'll change if necessary. I believe when I posted entitles me to 25 territories so if there any problems just tell me.

Here:
http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w31/Bautzen/?action=view&current=worldrefusedtochangemap.png

EDIT: OMG 4 Min. what the hell, lol. The Canadian beat me by 4 min. :(.

You cant 'call' spaces on the map, its first come, first serve.

Ummm, so first is where I am OK. And second does that mean I can add 5 more territories 'cause my "official" claim came in first?

humm, no one's going to be nice and put my claim in when i claimed it?

[go check out my previous post, see Why there's no image to go with it]

humm, no one's going to be nice and put my claim in when i claimed it?

[go check out my previous post, see Why there's no image to go with it]

Quite honestly I have no problem with your post as it changes nothing in my own position, I dont think, but I'm getting sligtly confused as to which claims are "official."

As such I'm waiting for our glorious leader to make a decision.

Mine and Angerman's claims, so he gets on the map at all. (http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/Terror_Incognitia/?action=view&current=worldrefusedtochangeqx3hh8.png)

By precedence, I believe we get 15 and 10, so since I put him on the map I've gone with 12 each.
If that's a problem, go shout at me.
In a minute I'll post a consolidated list of all claims so far.

Total consolidated map of claims so far. (http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/Terror_Incognitia/?action=view&current=worldrefusedtochangeqx3hh8-1.png)

Waldenburg and Bautzen, yours are a bit smaller than you claimed because of the order in which you posted maps.

And Jagaro, as I understand it it's order of posting a map, meaning you were never going to get 30, and can now only have 5.

(Kitezh first on 40, then Urcea on 35, then Rodenka on 30, then Waldenburg on 25, then Bautzen on 20, then Angermanland and myself sharing 15 and 10 for 12 each, then any other nation on 5.)

Right, I've updated the main map, and I'll post a hub thread with rules and such tommorow, after that we can get started with the RPing.

Also, I'm looking for voluntiers to moderate. Mostly, right now, I'm in need of somebody who can police the threads and generally make sure that people dont do anything too silly, exceede the tech level, and so on.

Also, I'll be expecting factbooks. I'll post the basic requirements tommorow, but most of you should know what they look like well enough to get a head start :D

And now, I'm going to bed, 'cause its 1:15 here.

eep. i ended up way further down the list than i anticipated :S

maybe i should have started my claim from the end of the penisnula *laughs*

anyway, thanks for putting it on the map, Incog.

heh. can i claim that the bit I'm on is a sub continent? kinda like the difference between Europe and Asia? it'd be nice to get to name a bit of geography :D

no hassle if i can't, of course.

ahh. fact books. i love them. [some of my fact books get very, very large and detailed, eventually] ... i thinks i has a plan.

edit: oh yeah, to do a lot of the fact book properly, i'm going to need to know the broad brush strokes of the terrain in my territory. based on the layout of the Map, [and the fact that this world has Way more water than earth does] i'm assuming it's Wetter than it's RL equivilant, thus doesn't have all nasty desert and stuff. also assuming it doesn't get too cold, given that it's got ocean on most sides of it, unless i get a mountain range up the middle [ala NZ, which is the main example i've got]

dominant wind directions in each area would matter too, but would depend on mountains and such.

umm, anyone want to do a version of the map with, like, mountain ranges and such on it?

i'm hoping for some nice planes...

Well hear is my claim I'll call it the Sultanate of Jagaro. It's the part in light blue.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/jagaro/jagaro1820claim-1.jpg

Anger, how about I put you in charge of figuring out the environment? :P

Added Jagaro.

Total consolidated map of claims so far. (http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/Terror_Incognitia/?action=view&current=worldrefusedtochangeqx3hh8-1.png)

Waldenburg and Bautzen, yours are a bit smaller than you claimed because of the order in which you posted maps.

And Jagaro, as I understand it it's order of posting a map, meaning you were never going to get 30, and can now only have 5.

(Kitezh first on 40, then Urcea on 35, then Rodenka on 30, then Waldenburg on 25, then Bautzen on 20, then Angermanland and myself sharing 15 and 10 for 12 each, then any other nation on 5.)

No, I had 40.

Hm. I want 5 Chinese provinces along the South China Sea. I want the one with Shanghai and then two up and two down. China looks untouched. Ty.

No, I had 40.

Maybe I misunderstood the claiming rules. Anywho, I didn't change what you drew on the map, just copied it across.

Hm. I want 5 Chinese provinces along the South China Sea. I want the one with Shanghai and then two up and two down. China looks untouched. Ty.
Post a map.

Maybe I misunderstood the claiming rules. Anywho, I didn't change what you drew on the map, just copied it across.
I got 45, next was 40, and so on.

I got 45, next was 40, and so on.

So does that mean I could 10 rather than 5 or am I still stuck at 5.

So does that mean I could 10 rather than 5 or am I still stuck at 5.

Lets leave it at five. You'll get a chance to expand later :P
Besides, size doesnt reflect power. Population, tech, etc. is based on NS population. I'm gonna be posting the rules and such soon, so you'll see.

Post a map.


I got 45, next was 40, and so on.

I don't know how to make a map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai

Thats the Wiki. It looks to be apart of the long province on the S. China Sea on your map. I want the two contiguous provinces north of it, and the two provinces with the river closest to the sea.

Summary.. I think to make it easier- Three coastal provinces. All but one have a river going through it.

Two interior provinces. They have a river going through them and connect with the large coastal province where Shanghai is.

Fine. Youre added, but dont complain later if you dont like the provinces you got.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12880433#post12880433

Hub thread is up, please stop posting in this thread now.

Why are you getting angry? My inability to do something shoulden't get you mad.

I got 45, next was 40, and so on.

Ah. Oopsh. That means I'm going to be quite densely populated, heh.