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ViZion has ordered the ViZionarian Armed Forces to gather and detail all British Londinium citizens within the borders of ViZion. These citizens will not be allowed to exit the nation of ViZion. Their location is classified. It is estimated there were over 1,000 British Londinium citizens within ViZion's borders on family vacations as well as for work.

ViZion wants British Londinium to know that his actions - including putting a living, conscious woman into a human blender and turning the blades on, liquifying her alive (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12873160&postcount=22) - will not go unnoticed by us.

ViZion, however, is willing to release these citizens back to British Londinium should British Londinium hand all Cazelian civilians into ViZion's hands for protection and medical attention. ViZion also will require British Londinium to pay the families of the death $500,000 each, and will be required to pay the Cazelian government $1 million USD for each Cazelian civilian killed in British Londinium hands.

Until then, the British Londinium citizens will remain detainees within ViZion.

Thank you,

President Kilo

[Secret Message]

To: The ViZion Government
From: The Avisronian Department of State

We completely support you, having heard reports of the abuses by the British Londinium officials. We currently believe there to be a number of Londinium civilians within our own nation. While you have our off-the-record support, we don't want to officially detain these civilians until we know if we'll have your support, should the British Londinium government attempt to rescue their people.

[END]

[Secret Message]

To: The ViZion Government
From: The Avisronian Department of State

We completely support you, having heard supports of the abuses by the British Londinium officials. We currently believe there to be a number of Londinium civilians within our own nation. While you have our off-the-record support, we don't want to officially detain these civilians until we know if we'll have your support, should the British Londinium government attempt to rescue their people.

[END]
[Secret IC]
To: The Avisronian Department of State
From: The ViZion Government
Subject: RE: Detainment
Message:
We thank you for your support. We want to let you know that, yes, you do have our full and unwaivering support should British Londinium try to forcefully take his citizens from you.

We ask that you follow suite with this. We must make this an example to British Londinium that his people are not reserved from being detained, or anything similar to that.

Thank you,

President Kilo

Avisronian Government Detains British Londinium Citizens

[CSHR International News]

Early this morning the Avisronian government announced that every citizen of British Londinium currently within the borders of the Libertarian Federation has been detained. This comes after the appalling revelation of inquisition style tactics being used by Londinium authorities in one of their holdings.

According to government officials, roughly 800 foreign nationals have been detained by the Avisronian National Police force. They were here for a variety of reasons, ranging from vacation to business.

When asked what would come of those Avisronian subjects who may have entered British Londinium, the Avisronian State Department said their delayed response had been in order to "strategically remove" Avisronians from Londinium.

The government claims that, in strong defiance of the Londinium government, the detained persons will be treated humanely.

OOC: Dont mind if I jump in?

IC:

Official Kampferian Statement
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Kampfers has detained all of the citizens of British Londinium in Kampfers. Due to strained relations, this number has dwindled to an approximate 100 citizens or so. This comes in to response of the Londinian Government's treatment of the Cazelian colony. The arrested people will be given rooms at a state hotel, but will not be allowed to leave for any reason other than a life or death situation.

Fuhrer Richtoff

Official Government Statement

In response to the atrocities of the Londinian government, an executive order has been issued for the detainment of all Londinian citizens within Prestonian borders. These citizens will be relocated to a state-run hotel complex and provided with everything needed to live comfortably. However, they will not be permitted to leave the complex except for medical attention. The detainment will cease as soon as all Cazelian citizens detained in concentration camps are released and all Londinian forces leave Cazelia.

Signed,
Pres. Aaron H. Preston

OOC: Not at all :) Infact, we welcome all to do this, since I see people are interested in following suit.

ViZion wants British Londinium to know that his actions - including putting a living, conscious woman into a human blender and turning the blades on, liquifying her alive - will not go unnoticed by us.

OOC: Will it blend: NS edition!

ViZion wants British Londinium to know that his actions - including putting a living, conscious woman into a human blender and turning the blades on, liquifying her alive - will not go unnoticed by us.

OOC when did that happen

OOC update with link

OOC adding BL to how i think of how KC use of woman and thanks to the link to it

Even though Green Hawk agrees that something must be done about British Londinium, but don't you all think this is a little rash? Remember, these people never done anything wrong (that I know of), but having come from a certain place. That is almost the same as locking a dog in a room because it's a dog. Did it choose to be a dog? No. Thats how it was born and locking away British Londinium people in (no matter how nice and comfortable) hotels is wrong. However, since a few UFAN members are in support of this and have done it themselves. Green Hawk will support their actions as long as no harm is to be done to the civilians. Green Hawk however, will not take part in this unless the situation changes.

Thomas Glower
President of Green Hawk

No_State_At_All wishes to make it known that if any citizens of British Londinium had been allowed into No_State_At_All, they would now be prisoners. Also we will be pursuing punitive retaliation against said nation in other locations.

To All Nations:

The King, being outraged at British Londinium's inhumane actions, has decreed that British Londinium is from henceforth labeled an enemy of the Tribal Kingdom of Auralinia. Should citizens of BL be found living in Auralinia, they will be arrested and transported to the island prison in Slag Harbor.

In addition, any and all BL naval vessals found within fifty miles of Auralinian shores will be attacked and destroyed without warning.

It is so........

signed,

Earl Han Carellian, Lord High General of the Tribal Forces of Auralinia, in the
Name of King Ricala Taniti.

Detainee 1411 was found to be concealing weapons, and not those that could be mistaken for household items; she was discovered with pistols and automatic rifles. Public execution was used in times past to send a stark message to those who defied the rules, and since the rule in question is a sensible one - "Prisoners may not be in possession of weaponry" - the fault is Detainee 1411's. After this episode, do you think any other detainees will run the risk of obtaining weapons? I can safely say that McPsychoville stands alongside British Londinium in this matter.

The following is a message sent by the Vizionaries to British Londinium earlier

ViZion is preparing to send out transporters into Cazelia, to bring them to safety in Refuge Island, ViZion, as the first refugees. Should any ViZionarian be harmed by British Londinium, it will be viewed as an act of war against ViZion, and shall be dealt with according.

A total of 45 747's will be leaving ViZion in 24 hours to head to Cazelia.

In addition, the International Medical Foundation is preparing for their first mission - aid civilians who have not been detained yet in Cazelia.

ViZion demands that, upon our arrival, the gates to the camps be opened to allow the refugees to come to ViZion. Once again, it will be an act of war to harm or attack any ViZionarian. These transporters - along with the IMF personel - will be unarmed.

This begs a question. For what reason and under what authority do you move into Londinian territory and demand - not request, demand - that the Consul's forces stand down while simultaneously keeping Londinian citizens within your borders? As a response to your act of hostility, we are placing a significant portion of our Armed Forces on alert. A further half-million men and commensurate armour support are already en route, and any act of war will result in a further three million mobilising, together with our naval support. Think carefully about your next actions.

[OOC: Just for the record, I edited my post a little this morning.]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12873894&postcount=135

[OOC: You'll probably need an IC post addressing this situation specifically.]

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

I refuse to pay the ViZionians or Cazelians any amount of money, and, for all I care, the Londinians in your custody can rot to death in your torture facilities. I will continue to insist that British Londinium has done nothing wrong by executing a terrorist who aided and abetted the bombing of an airport, which killed nine soldiers and dozens of civilians. If ViZion has a problem with that, then they need to reevaluate their priorities.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

[Official Message]

Or perhaps British Londinium could evaluate (not "reevaluate," as there was obviously none to begin,) the situation, and realize that by ruthlessly executing all who oppose them, they only lower their moral standing, and encourage more violence against them.

By being a prick of a nation, British Londinium effectively turned the entire world against them.

Signed,
David Wallace
Prime Minister of the Libertarian Federation

OOC: Hey guys, where can I find info on the BL war crimes? Thanks much.

OOC: here's where the blender lady is Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532734)

IC:

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Official Diplomatic Message

We would like the ViZion government know that Cookesland supports its position completly. All Londinian citizens in Cookesland have been detained for the time being.


Best Wishes,
Alan Foxswift
Alan Foxswift
President
The United States of Cookesland

Press Release, Axis Nova Office of Foreign Affairs


We in Axis Nova applaud the restraint of ViZion in this matter, and announce our support for such policies, until such time as British Londinium ceases it's barbaric activities. No provocation is sufficient for treating prisoners as playthings rather than sentient, living beings.

The Kraven Corporation would be able to learn quite a few things from British Londinium.

No provocation is sufficient for treating prisoners as playthings rather than sentient, living beings.

Terrorism. The wilful destruction of that which would help Cazelia become a productive member of international society. The execution of Detainee 1411 is a nice, stark message to all prisoners that stockpiling weapons with an eye to revolution will equal a nasty death. Considering that the blades would have killed Detainee 1411 in a matter of moments - assuming she didn't die of shock already - it cannot be contested as a "barbaric" execution as it was not a method of torture. Is the electric chair barbaric? Something that sends millions of volts of electricity into a living, breathing human being? If this blending machine is barbaric, I submit that to use the electric chair is equally barbaric.

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

I refuse to pay the ViZionians or Cazelians any amount of money, and, for all I care, the Londinians in your custody can rot to death in your torture facilities. I will continue to insist that British Londinium has done nothing wrong by executing a terrorist who aided and abetted the bombing of an airport, which killed nine soldiers and dozens of civilians. If ViZion has a problem with that, then they need to reevaluate their priorities.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium
ViZion has shown this message to the detainees. Their own country... they don't care WHAT happens to them? In turn, ViZion has offered them the option of becoming a ViZionarian citizens and moving into the booming ViZionarian society. It is expected most with becoming ViZionarians.

Terrorism. The wilful destruction of that which would help Cazelia become a productive member of international society. The execution of Detainee 1411 is a nice, stark message to all prisoners that stockpiling weapons with an eye to revolution will equal a nasty death. Considering that the blades would have killed Detainee 1411 in a matter of moments - assuming she didn't die of shock already - it cannot be contested as a "barbaric" execution as it was not a method of torture. Is the electric chair barbaric? Something that sends millions of volts of electricity into a living, breathing human being? If this blending machine is barbaric, I submit that to use the electric chair is equally barbaric.

That is why none of the countries in the world use it except for a few states in the USA. People found out about lethal injection and dumped the electric chair.

The wilful destruction of that which would help Cazelia become a productive member of international society.

Official Statementfrom the Denomination of Foreign Diplomacy

So, sort of like how the British Londinians ripped up or blew up every piece of infrastructure they could find on their way out of Cazelia, apparently in a purely spiteful attempt to make life more miserable for the citizens and the new occupying powers?

If travel to and from British Londinivm wasn't already restricted because of their membership in the GUSN, we'd restrict it. As is, we are considering putting them on Double Secret restriction.

That is why none of the countries in the world use it except for a few states in the USA. People found out about lethal injection and dumped the electric chair.

Don't get me started on the lethal injection. If the chair is bad, being paralysed and subjected to incredible pain from the poison within while being unable to even scream is worse.

So, sort of like how the British Londinians ripped up or blew up every piece of infrastructure they could find on their way out of Cazelia, apparently in a purely spiteful attempt to make life more miserable for the citizens and the new occupying powers?

Not particularly, no. The Londinians were the subject of "an international bitchfest", a statement which we can see no reason to disagree with, and we are less than surprised that their reaction was to damage the land to prevent others from profiting from it. We don't like it, but we understand it - you reap what you sow, and if you piss off an occupying force enough to leave, it is your fault that they responded with this damage.

Not particularly, no. The Londinians were the subject of "an international bitchfest", a statement which we can see no reason to disagree with, and we are less than surprised that their reaction was to damage the land to prevent others from profiting from it. We don't like it, but we understand it - you reap what you sow, and if you piss off an occupying force enough to leave, it is your fault that they responded with this damage.

Wouldn't you agree that it would still cost money to destroy the buildings that you constructed? He could have just sold them for a reduced price, instead of having that money go to waste.

Drasgard Times

Collective punishment in the name of human rights?
Article by: Juha Poro

Who could had ever imagined that states who claim to defend human rights arrest innocent people who's only guilt is having wrong citizenship? ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, No_State_At_All, Auralinia and Cookesland did exactly that then they detained all citizens of British Londinium for one quite brutal execution of terrorist what BL did in occupied Cazelia. That list may even get longer as new and new nations are joining this ridiculous act. ViZion has made several demands to British Londinium, including paying large reparations to Cazelia.

Now lets look back for a moment. Whole conflict started then Cazelia declared war on British Londinium and was decisively crushed. War itsselfly was very brutal including usage of nuclear weapons from both sides. Defeated Cazelians started using terrorism, as part of punishment, one of the terrorists was executed very brutally. Of course so brutal executions are not nice, not nice at all, but lets face the facts, this damn war included usage of nuclear weapons, it has not been nice for quite some time already. Such conflicts always result very ugly events, just some states cover theirs up more succesfully then others.

Collective punishment for defending human rights is like raping to defend virginity. Even worse, we can safely assume that practically all Londinians who were detained were innocent. This is not one of those cases then there is a criminal among innocents and we kill them all to make sure that criminal does not get away. Practically all Londinians who are detained have no connection to ugly events in Cazelia as they were not even at conflict area. British Londinium has effectively decided to ignore those actions by ViZion and others, it is understandable because no serious state would give in to such blackmailing. Cazelia started war, and was defeated, and now Bristish Londinium should pay them reparations? Totally ridiculous. Londinium has been very cautious in this affair, because many other states probably would had detained their Vizionians, Avisronites etc. in retaliation.

Terrorism. The wilful destruction of that which would help Cazelia become a productive member of international society. The execution of Detainee 1411 is a nice, stark message to all prisoners that stockpiling weapons with an eye to revolution will equal a nasty death. Considering that the blades would have killed Detainee 1411 in a matter of moments - assuming she didn't die of shock already - it cannot be contested as a "barbaric" execution as it was not a method of torture. Is the electric chair barbaric? Something that sends millions of volts of electricity into a living, breathing human being? If this blending machine is barbaric, I submit that to use the electric chair is equally barbaric.

Response, Axis Nova Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The difference is that we are not terrorists, and as such should hold ourselves to higher moral standards. Your logic also falls apart since the only legal method of execution in Axis Nova is by gunshot or lethal injection.

You do not produce a productive society out of fear. You produce one by funding education and by developing and deploying infrastructure and promoting democracy, not by crudely hitting the problem with a hammer and hoping it will be fixed.

Even aside from the barbaric execution method, British Londinium's methods are obviously flawed-- they would still be flawed even if they were executing people in normal means.

Remove the reason for there to be an armed resistance, don't try to remove the resistance, for that is impossible. The more one clamps down, the more people have a reason to rebel. You cannot destroy these feelings unless you destroy every living being within a nation.

Official Communiqué from the Office of the Chancellor of the Republic of One World Alliance:


While the Republic agrees that any atrocities that British Londinium may or may not have committed should be investigated immediately, and upon investigation the nation itself should be pressed for reparations, the Republic openly condemns the act of incarcerating innocent civilians who are being used as nothing more than mere bargaining chips against a national government.

This egregious breach of human rights completely contradicts your original claims against British Londinium, for you have now become as wayward as the nation you originally accused of wrong-doing.

The Republic implores all nations involved to henceforth release the imprisoned civilians of British Londinium immediately, and encourages the grieved nations to find an alternative means of acquiring compensation for the alleged actions of British Londinium.


May we, the international community, remain a constant beacon of light for the cause of human rights.


-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

Your logic also falls apart since the only legal method of execution in Axis Nova is by gunshot or lethal injection.

My logic is flawless. It does not depend on an individual nation's stance on capital punishment, it merely states that use of the electric chair is as equally barbaric as use of the blending machine.

You do not produce a productive society out of fear. You produce one by funding education and by developing and deploying infrastructure and promoting democracy, not by crudely hitting the problem with a hammer and hoping it will be fixed.

So, what incentive is there to fund education and to develop infrastructure in a society where crucial buildings are liable to be destroyed at any moment by rogue elements? Under our supervision, Cazelia is being re-equipped with the skeleton it needs to build on, with the added bonus of having no chance of seeing it all destroyed by a maniac with a truck bomb. You don't produce a productive society out of fear - you produce it with law. British Londinium law stated that no prisoner may possess weapons - without weapons, prisoners of internment camps could not revolt. Detainee 1411 broke this law wilfully and paid the price for it.

Remove the reason for there to be an armed resistance

To do this, we would have to leave the nation in the hands of an incompetent government with a crippled economy and watch as it turned into an anarchic wasteland. Don't be stupid.

Official Communiqué from the Office of the Chancellor of the Republic of One World Alliance:


While the Republic agrees that any atrocities that British Londinium may or may not have committed should be investigated immediately, and upon investigation the nation itself should be pressed for reparations, the Republic openly condemns the act of incarcerating innocent civilians who are being used as nothing more than mere bargaining chips against a national government.

This egregious breach of human rights completely contradicts your original claims against British Londinium, for you have now become as wayward as the nation you originally accused of wrong-doing.

The Republic implores all nations involved to henceforth release the imprisoned civilians of British Londinium immediately, and encourages the grieved nations to find an alternative means of acquiring compensation for the alleged actions of British Londinium.


May we, the international community, remain a constant beacon of light for the cause of human rights.


-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance


The Imperial Empire suggests that you back down and just watch the larger nations duke it out. It would be in your best interest to not get involved. Many of these nation's leaders know what they are doing and have common sense. Now let them do as they please without interruption.

-The Mandalore.

While we are loath to detain BL citizens, all travel to and from BL has been banned.

Also...
...required to pay the Cazelian government $1 million USD for each Cazelian civilian killed in British Londinium hands.

There is no Cazelian government of which you speak, so that's moot.

~Kenworth L. Stevens
Director, Foreign Affairs

The Imperial Empire suggests that you back down and just watch the larger nations duke it out. It would be in your best interest to not get involved. Many of these nation's leaders know what they are doing and have common sense. Now let them do as they please without interruption.

-The Mandalore.


The Republic, no matter our size, reserves the right to engage in international affairs in accordance to our laws and customs.

I have made no threat of military action or economic sanctions of any kind, nor has the Republic aggresively approached any nation.

Instead, we have merely peacefully petitioned the international community in an attempt to help foster democratic values around the world. The Republic takes the issue of human rights seriously, and though we refrain from threats or aggressive tactics of any kind, we do vigorously pursue a resolution to this crisis.

May this forum serve what it was intentionally created for, a place for nations of all governments and sizes to voice their opinions.

Thank you.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

The Lone Alliance stands by ViZion in their actions and are preparing to deatain any British Londinium citizens within The Lone Alliance, partly to show support and partly as a means of protecting them from possible mob justice. Should a British Londinium citizen wish to renounce their citizenship, they will be welcomed with open arms. We also open our borders to any Cazelia exiles in need of a home.

-TLA Ministry of International Equality

--IC--

The Avisronian government presents all 800 British Londinium citizens with a brochure detailing several key ideas. First it is actually explained to them WHY they are being detained. It is further explained that the Avisronian government really didn't want to detain innocents, but it was necessary in order to send a message to their government and possibly save innocents in the future.

Later, they are updated on the situation. The Avisronian government officials in charged with overseeing the detention make the detainees aware of the fact that their government doesn't care about them. The British Londinium government is obviously more concerned with making its metaphorical penis look bigger.

Then, the detainees are presented with an option. If they agree to allow the Avisronian government to track them, their purchases, phone calls, etc, for a period of 5 years, they'll be allowed jobs within the LFA. Why put these talented business people to waste? Several teachers are discovered to be among the group, several engineers, and a variety of other professions. Essentially, the detainees had to be skilled, or they wouldn't have the money to be in the LFA in the first place.

The Continental Empire of Malatose fully supports and stands by ViZion. At this very moment, the Imperial Security Bureau is already detaining British Londinium citizens and are holding them in high security detention centers. Any Londinium citizen, who wishes to denounce his citizenship, can do so, and file for Imperial Citizenship under Imperial Law.

As of now, all citizens of nations detaining Londinian nationals found in BL have been detained in a maximum-security prison. Incidentally, all detained Londinians denied offers to assimilate into their captors' societies.

ICCD has issued travel warnings for Dians pertaining to all countries detaining foreign nationals including B.L. while there will be no travel restrictions the warning has been issued.

ICCD strongly advises those foreign travellers and residents who did not themselves violate any applicable laws be released by all sides. ICCD is willing to also take refugees from all the nations taking part in the hostage taking of foreign residents, and allow them entry to a Dian Refugee facility.

Open Declaration

Frankly, I think we ought to gang up on BL and invade. There obviously needs to be a change.

In other news, we've detained all BL citizens in our territory and they will not be repatriated anytime soon.

~Kenworth L. Stevens
Director, Foreign Affairs

Using innocent citizens as human shields and negotiating articles is an unacceptable act by governments of the international community.

The Republic officially condemns the act of turning innocent civilians into political prisoners.


And in reaction so such, the Republic of One World Alliance would like to begin negotiations with the nations in question concerning the release of their political prisoners.

Please list your grievances accordingly, and the Republic will do what it can to try and resolve this crisis.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12874619']ICCD has issued travel warnings for Dians pertaining to all countries detaining foreign nationals including B.L. while there will be no travel restrictions the warning has been issued.

ICCD strongly advises those foreign travellers and residents who did not themselves violate any applicable laws be released by all sides. ICCD is willing to also take refugees from all the nations taking part in the hostage taking of foreign residents, and allow them entry to a Dian Refugee facility.

The Republic welcomes this publicly broadcasted message.


However, with the most due respect to your nation, I am rather hoping that this issue can be resolved in a timely and acceptable fashion without the escalation of any unnecessary hostility.

I hope that our two nations may work cooperatively in securing the release of these innocent civilians.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

Following the majority of the world community, The Imperial Empire of Maldorians has detained British Londinium citizens visiting Maldorians. That is all.

-The Mandalore.

Foreing ministry of Olmedreca has issued travel warnings for Citizens of Olmedreca pertaining following states: ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, No_State_At_All, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp and Maldorians. This list may be expanded. All those states have engaged in state organized kidnapping policy, as innocents are detained and held captive without trial. All Olmedrecans already in those states, are strongly suggested to return to Olmedreca immediately.

The Worker's Report

Good evening, comrades. I'm Sasha Bravaden and this is your news tonight. Security Forces in ViZion have detained over 1,000 British Londinium citizens as a statement and a demand for the release of Cazelian citizens so that they may recieve medical attention. The ongoing crisis in Cazelia is spiriling out of control with insurgents bombing an airport and fuel depot in this latest wave of violence. In response, British Londinium security forces have issued an even ahrsher crackdown. Their government also shut down natural gas and oil exports as a statement to the world, some nations are or will feel the pressure. It is unclear how this may affect Kulikovia but economic experts point to a mild reprecussion.

In retaliation, British Londinium is also detaining foreign nationals. The GUSN is lobbying and debating about expelling British Londinium from the Socialist alliance in response to repeated human rights violations in their ongoing campaign in Cazelia. We take you live to Chancellor Rhinehardt's press conference...

"We are against these bullying tactics by all parties involved. It is the unlawful apprehension of foreign citizens based solely on their country of origin. We sympathize greatly for Cazelia and denounce British Londiniums brutal campaign in that country. But denying the rights of their citizens who are abroad will not help to decompress the situation. These citizens have committed no crimes which deam their detainment. We are issuing a travel warning for Kulikovian citizens abroad and assuring any British Londinium citizens residing or conducting business within our borders that their freedom will not be denied and will not be detained. In an attempt to cool tensions, we offer our services in a mediation."

We will keep you posted on further developments.

As of now, all citizens of nations detaining Londinian nationals found in BL have been detained in a maximum-security prison. Incidentally, all detained Londinians denied offers to assimilate into their captors' societies.

[OOC: I don't think that's realistic. Their government has abandoned them and they just say "well golly gee!" and go with it?]

[OOC: I don't think that's realistic. Their government has abandoned them and they just say "well golly gee!" and go with it?]

All enemy foreign citizens in BL go to maximum security jail? in maximum security? What about the BL jailees. Where do they go? How can you put A LOT of different's nations visiting citizens in MAXIMUM security. I can see one of those small camps with tents, but Maximum?! Isn't that a little big?

All enemy foreign citizens in BL go to maximum security jail? in maximum security? What about the BL jailees. Where do they go? How can you put A LOT of different's nations visiting citizens in MAXIMUM security. I can see one of those small camps with tents, but Maximum?! Isn't that a little big?

[OOC: Well, it doesn't matter to me, because, as my post says, the Avisronian State Department secretly told all the Avisronians in BL to haul ass a few hours before they announced jailing people. My primary beef is that BL is basically saying "Hey, my government can be as bad ass as I want and my people won't care." It isn't realistic.]

OOC: Oi, I don't tell you how to RP, so don't tell me. Of course they would refuse to join their captor's country; if you ever bothered to read my factbook, you'd realize that nationalism is a key part of the culture, and people are very reluctant to abandon their home country. And, what do you mean big? I have a very large, very empty maximum security prison sitting on a small island just offshore.

OOC: Oi, I don't tell you how to RP, so don't tell me. Of course they would refuse to join their captor's country; if you ever bothered to read my factbook, you'd realize that nationalism is a key part of the culture, and people are very reluctant to abandon their home country. And, what do you mean big? I have a very large, very empty maximum security prison sitting on a small island just offshore.

[OOC: Okay. I can deal with nationalism working for a while. Eventually, that'll run out anyway. And I find it HILARIOUS that you say you just HAPPEN to have a completely empty maximum security prison. That had to be costing you a ton of money to operate whilst being totally empty, y'know.]

OOC: Meh. Government waste happens. Regardless, stop complaining.

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Official Diplomatic Commune From Aurum Domus High Command

Londium citizens in Aurum Domus are not being detained however they are encouraged to leave the country for their own safety. The Aurum Doman public aren't very happy about the situation in Cazelia.

OOC: Meh. Government waste happens. Regardless, stop complaining.

[OOC: I'm completely within my rights to complain when you conveniently sprout maximum security prisons out of thin air.]

OOC: Well, it wasn't empty as of three minutes before the announcement - the prisoners, you see, were, instead of being blended, deep-fried in vegetable oil. So it was conveniently empty for their foreign citizens. Besides, it isn't as if all foreigners are detained, just the ones belonging to the nations detaining my citizens.

ooc: i think everyone is doing an excellent job at rping! :)

Statement from DoD
Harsh Crimes require harsh punishment. Let us remember that the woman executed was a criminal; a terrorist no less; tried by jury of at least some legitimacy and sentenced for harbouring weapons. Weapons used to kill nine British Londinium soldiers and even more civilians; ask yourselves what would you do in their position.

The manner of execution was certainly over kill but Animarnia also has harsh punishments for capital crimes; Murders and Rapists are executed by electric chair where as paedophiles are crucified publicly at which it takes them 3 weeks to die due to the severity of there crime. The methods may be questionable but crime as a whole especially sex related has dropped to less than 1% with murder rate at just 3%. Fear is a powerful motivator. While British Londinium certainly aren’t our favourites we cannot condone the wanton detaining of their citizens who have not done anything wrong other than being born to another country to protest the execution of a criminal by that state. We See this as nothing short of Hypocrisy and Racism.

OOC: How is that racism? Racism is being predjusticed against race...

Being British Londinium isn't a race.

OOC: How is that racism? Racism is being predjusticed against race...

Being British Londinium isn't a race.

OOC: becaue there being detained PURELY because they're British Londinium; think about it; if people were detained purely becaue they were America or purely because they were russian or purely because they were Pakistani; accusations of Rasicm would start pretty damn fast; this is no different; and my government is freaky sometimes *shrugs*

OOC: becaue there being detained PURELY because they're British Londinium; think about it; if people were detained purely becaue they were America or purely because they were russian or purely because they were Pakistani; accusations of Rasicm would start pretty damn fast; this is no different; and my government is freaky sometimes *shrugs*

ooc: i think that's called nationalism, not racism


i think, don't quote me though :D

ooc: i think that's called nationalism, not racism


i think, don't quote me though :D

OOC: Nationalism(AKA: Patriotism) is pride in ones country. I dont know if there is a term for someone who is being discriminated against because of their citizenship.

This message is for the following nations:

ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, No_State_At_All, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp and Maldorians


The Republic wishes to resolve this crisis.

I'm sure you don't plan on incarcerating these innocent civilians indefinitely.


I would like to begin negotiations immediately. Please reply by making a list of your grievances.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

OOC: Nationalism(AKA: Patriotism) is pride in ones country. I dont know if there is a term for someone who is being discriminated against because of their citizenship.


ooc: yeah, i knew that but i thought maybe in a different context it would have a different connotation.


guess not though


i'm sure there is a word for it though. Xenophobia comes close, kinda lol

ooc: yeah, i knew that but i thought maybe in a different context it would have a different connotation.


guess not though


i'm sure there is a word for it though. Xenophobia comes close, kinda lol

[OoC: Anti-Londinianism?]

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Sichernstaffel
Security Gendarme Force

It is at this time that all identified with British Londinian passports in all of the Aequatian Republic are being detained upon discovery and will be subject to confinement in Republic facilities until further notice by the Aequatian Department of Justice.

Signed

GEN N. Hauser,
Commander-in-Chief,
Sichernstaffel.

This message is for the following nations:

ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, No_State_At_All, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp and Maldorians


The Republic wishes to resolve this crisis.

I'm sure you don't plan on incarcerating these innocent civilians indefinitely.


I would like to begin negotiations immediately. Please reply by making a list of your grievances.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance


Chancellor Augustus,

Our grievances are simple: man's inhumanity against man has become a fact of life. Oppression, torture, famine....these are unfortunate staples in today's world.

However, we find the actions of the BritLonds have gone far beyond the boundaries of barbarism. What is more, their caustically casual attitude towards their OWN citizens in foreign lands is further evidence of both a seared conscience and hardened hearts.

In light of this, Auralinia has already declared BL an enemy of the state and that we will fire without provocation upon any and all BL naval and/or air units, military or civilian. Further, the King has decided to expand this decree: combined with the previously stated terms, if BL's actions make it necessary to take up arms to combat such a level of barbaric behavior, we will declare war upon British Londinium and commence immediate invasion plans and urge our brother nations of The Empire to join us in this cause.


Earl Han Carellian, CMDR AURFORCE

This message is for the following nations:

ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, No_State_At_All, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp and Maldorians


The Republic wishes to resolve this crisis.

I'm sure you don't plan on incarcerating these innocent civilians indefinitely.


I would like to begin negotiations immediately. Please reply by making a list of your grievances.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

We shall not being making a list of our "grievances" anytime soon. The only one who should be doing that is British Londinium. We will do what we want with this Londiniumions, but we are not going to blend them up and feed them to their families. Only barbarians would do such a thing.

-The Mandalore.

Proclamation from the Most Wise Emperess Kou the third of Otaku-do.

It is with great sorrow that We have observed recent events in Cazelia, VIZion and many other nations around the world. We are forced to recall our Subjects from Londonium and also from all nations that have seen fit to take hostages during this crisis.
Further more all their citizens, with the exception of Embassadors and members of their Diplomatic missions, found within the borders of Otaku-do are to be detained with a view to being deported soon after.
Henceforth all travel to and from nations involved in this crisis is suspended until hostilities are halted.
Furthermore We commend the efforts of Chancellor Augustus of One World Alliance to encourage talks to end this incident in a peaceful manner.

Official Message from the Empire of Rome:

The Imperator of Rome wishes it be known in the International Community that He and the Empire remain absolutely neutral in relation to British Londinium. While the Imperator is...dismayed at the apparent cruelty of the punishment doled out, he does not deny the authority of the British Londinium government to excercise the rule of law, including those aspects of the law pertaining to the punishment of crimes.

Therefore, the only steps that the Imperator shall take in regards to this situation are as follows:

1) All British Londinium citizens visiting have been deported (without cost to them) back to British Londinium.

2) No Roman citizen is permitted to enter British Londinium territory.

To: States Holding British Londonium Nationals

From: the Commonwealth

RE: Please

__________________________________________________

To any nation states holding British Londonium nationals, in the interest of peace and humanity, the Commonwealth offers the following:

The CCM will provide air transportation out of your country to the CCM where medical attention will be provided and those citizens will then be repatriated.

If you insist on holding British Londoniums, please release the women and children to our care. We will treat them well, provide any medical assistance necessary and repatriate them as soon as possible.

We can also act as a neutral party to examine the conditions of incarceration and vouch for whether or not British Londonium nationals are being treated humanely.

Holding civilian hostages? I know that you are all better than that. I implore you to take this easy and honerable way out.

Holding civilian hostages? I know that you are all better than that. I implore you to take this easy and honerable way out.

Honorable way? There is no honorable way out in detaining civilians. There is a difference between holding civilian hostages and detaining them. When a civilian is held hostage, he/she is usually held at gunpoint. When a civilian is detained, he/she is usually brought to a hotel room and not allowed to leave it until the situation clears. There is a difference, mon copain.

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Foreign Office issues critical travel advisory
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has today announced that a critical travel advisory is in effect for British Londinium issuing strict guidance to all Dressalian citizens to cancel any travel plans in the region, and for those currently there to leave as a matter of urgency.
THE ADVISORY comes after reports of sick war crimes being carried out by the British Londinium forces during its occupation of Cazelia, including one incident of a woman being executed by being thrown into industrial machinery and her family being forced to cannibalize her remains.
THE DAILY ECHO has continued to cover the war and occupation in detail, and brought the reports to our readership, and many of you were horrified by what you had heard. In Dressalia's parliament opposition MPs had called for a public condemnation of the treatment of Cazelian citizens, but such calls were met with deaf ears from the Foreign Secretary.
RUFUS CROSSER MP, the Minister for Foreign Affairs went as far as to contact the ousted Cazelian president and advise that he collaborate with the occupying forces, saying that he trusted British Londinium were acting appropriately considering the guerilla campaign being waged against them.
WHEN ASKED today by The Daily Echo whether he would be handing in his resignation over the issue, Mr Crosser responded that he would not be, stating "I believed in good faith that British Londinium was reacting with proportionate force to the Cazelian rebels. Rumours of war crimes had reached us, and they were being investigated. However, as I have said, at the time I believed in good faith that British Londinium were acting properly."
"It is all too clear now that they were not. My focus now is on trying to repair the ills perpetuated, and I ask for your patience in allowing me to do so. We will not be joining the list of countries detaining British Londinium's citizens, as we believe that collective punishment is fundamentally unfair. We will, however, look to assisting with the rebuilding program in Cazelia if possible."

[Open Message]

My primary grievance is the sheer lack of regard for human life on the part of the British Londinium government. I do completely understand punishing a terrorist who seeks to destroy and kill. However, it is the mark of a truly mature nation to be better than those who destroy and kill.

British Londinium simply doesn't understand very much at all, to put it simply. By executing this woman at all, nevermind in such a public and horrific manner, they simply inspired more unrest. By doing this, they continued a cycle which has no end. Until either the insurgents or the entire British Londinium government were killed, no side would change their tactics.

This type of pissing contest-style politics is holding not only British Londinium back, but, infact, the entire world. Think about what we could be accomplishing rather than squandering precious resources dealing with a society that is obviously mentally developed to the same level as a twelve year old child.

The Libertarian Federation stands for a new type of global society in which individuals are treated as individuals and are free to do with their lives as they wish; Without becoming cogs in the plans of an oppressive government which seeks only to expand its members' financial portfolios or increase their level of emotional stability.

It is a very sad fact that to accomplish this I had to order the detention of 800 British Londinium nationals who may not even support the government that represents them.

I apparently underestimated the level of evil the British Londinium government has reached. I suspected that by detaining a number of their citizens, I would pressure their government into changing their policies. At least, I would help do that in conjunction with the other nations that are doing so.

Frankly, I was shocked to learn that the British Londinium government simply... doesn't care. That pretty much sums up their foreign policy, their internal policy, everything. They don't care about the things that make us human. They care about advancing their own paranoid, immature ideology more than they care about... humanity.

That is my list of grievances. It should be relatively apparent to those taking the time to read this how exactly this crisis can be defused.

British Londinium must allow an international agency to monitor a direct and immediate shift in their internal policy. They must no longer be allowed to torture and brutally kill. The entire society must better itself. More importantly, they must stop undertaking their imperialist crusades to generally be pricks in every corner of the earth.

Anything else cannot, and will not, be accepted.

Signed,
David Wallace
Prime Minister of the Libertarian Federation of Avisron

As of now, all citizens of nations detaining Londinian nationals found in BL have been detained in a maximum-security prison. Incidentally, all detained Londinians denied offers to assimilate into their captors' societies.

OOC: were there any left in your territory? I know mine were out, but then I havent detained your people, just threatened to blockade you.

IC: No_State_At_All requests the release of all citizens detained during this crisis by both sides, to show good faith, and prevent hostilities. In the event of this not happening, we will have to take measures to secure their release.

OWA, I dont do the detaining thing any more. I got bored of it since I had to massacre some prisoners when my troops went rogue on me. I hate RPing an ill-disciplined military. Which i have since tightened up, but nonetheless

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

Humanity has long been regarded in this nation as an inconvenience, something that, whilst unavoidable, ought to be eschewed. Humanity and archaic notions of morality have, for too long, limited the scope of Londinian policy actions.

I remind the Avisonians that within our borders, Londinians have extraordinary amounts of personal and political freedom. For the most part, only crimes that intrude upon the freedoms of others are illegalized. But, of course, Avisron has only taken note of the facts that are suitable for their narrow-minded agenda. I will be the first to admit that the actions in Cazelia Londii were in bad taste. But they were necessary measures. At the point when we could no longer trust the Neanderthals that populate that inhospitable wasteland to go about daily business, it is only fitting that they be placed in an area where they could be observed at all times. Our execution of Detainee 1401 served exactly its purpose: to cower the populace into submission. For the days after her execution, unrest within the prison facility decreased by sixty-two percent, and had we not withdrawn earlier, we could have seen even greater results.

We will never allow an international organization to monitor our internal workings, for there is nothing wrong with them. Our institutions are strong, and this period of transition is temporary. Before labeling me as a "dictator", please take the time to understand the National Exigency Act, which stipulates that the interim office I have taken, the office of a Presidential Consul, can only exist for a period of seven years at most, and each year the post must be reviewed in order to be renewed.

In the end, this becomes an issue between two different systems of morality and ethics, an issue that I doubt will ever be resolved. Our culture, whilst seemingly eccentric and immature to the majority of the international community, is the only culture we have. I do not demand that you appreciate our like our culture - just that it be allowed to exist.

To prove our 'maturity', I have ordered the immediate expulsion of all detainees and their return to their miserable excuses for homelands.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

-snip-

[Official Message]

If I can somehow find it within myself to believe a word the British Londinium government speaks, which I will henceforth attempt to do, I would be willing to lesson the hostility of the LFA's stance towards British Londinium.

There exists an inherent flaw, however. I am more concerned with the type of violence that British Londinium is exporting rather than that which exists within its own society.

The next step in deescalating this crisis is, in my opinion, an agreement from the British Londinium government to cease and desist all acts of open imperialism against nations which do exhibit a respect for human rights.

If this single condition can be met, I will personally consider releasing a number of British Londinium nationals.

Signed,
David Wallace
Prime Minister of the Libertarian Federation of Avisron

To: States Holding British Londonium Nationals

From: the Commonwealth

RE: Please

__________________________________________________

To any nation states holding British Londonium nationals, in the interest of peace and humanity, the Commonwealth offers the following:

The CCM will provide air transportation out of your country to the CCM where medical attention will be provided and those citizens will then be repatriated.

If you insist on holding British Londoniums, please release the women and children to our care. We will treat them well, provide any medical assistance necessary and repatriate them as soon as possible.

We can also act as a neutral party to examine the conditions of incarceration and vouch for whether or not British Londonium nationals are being treated humanely.

Holding civilian hostages? I know that you are all better than that. I implore you to take this easy and honerable way out.
While we thank you for your offer, we will not, at this point in time, be deporting those who have been detained. When they are deported, they will be sent back to British Londinium, that is, those of these people who wish to return. Those wishing to become citizens of ViZion will be permitted to stay.

Those who have been detained are coming under no harm, and are being fed three full meals per day of various foods - fresh wild fish, juicy steaks, and so forth - and, those who are in need of medical attention are being tended to by the International Medical Foundation.

Thank you,

President Kilo

In light of the withdrawal of Londinian occupation forces from Cazelia, the Central Prestonian government is restoring full rights to all Londinian nationals and releasing them from the Imperial Hotel where they had been kept. We regret that it had to come to this, but feel that the detainment of innocent citizens is surely better than war. We assure the Londinian government that it's citizens were treated humanely and given all the amenities available in a five-star hotel.

Press Release
As neither of the two citizens of British Londinium in the Covenant have breached their visa conditions, nor broken any Covenant law, they will not be detained, and shall remain secure in their persons and belongings, so long as they remain in compliance with those conditions and relevant regulations and laws.

Any foreign national seeking to "retaliate" against those persons will be arrested and charged under appropriate laws, and may be detained pending litigation by the relevant parties.

Office of Public Relations
Secretariat of State for Immigration, Tourism, and Citizenship
Ministry of External Affairs (UIK/COV)

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Ministry of External Affairs
Secretariat of State for Immigration, Tourism, and Citizenship
TRAVEL ADVICE
Nations of ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp, Maldorians, and British Londinium

Until further notice, all Macisikani citizens are advised to exercise extreme caution in travelling to or from any of the following nations: ViZion, Avisron, Kampfers, Central Prestonia, Auralinia, Cookesland, The Lone Alliance, Malatose, VISA Corp, Maldorians, British Londinium, and Aequatio.

This advisory is issued for your protection, following the mass arrests without charge or due process of foreign nationals by those nations.

All Macisikani citizens in the aforementioned nations, whether departing or remaining, should register with the Ministry of External Affairs (contact details below).

All foreign citizens wishing to leave aforementioned nations and travel to Macisikan must register with the Ministry of External Affairs, Secretariat of State for Immigration, Tourism, and Citizenship (contact details below); MinExAff (SSITC) reserves the right to refuse entry to any individual or group of individuals deemed a security risk.

OOC: Can you withdraw your travel restriction on my country?

OOC: Not a chance (for now) :P We think you've gone and set a precedent.

OOC: Well, I guess I'll have to prove you wrong then.

OOC: Be my guest. You'd actually be the first nation to do it... and apologies to ViZion for cluttering your thread with OOCness.

ViZion was preparing for the release of the detained back to British Londinium. However, due to the outbreak of war (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532918) this will not be done.

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Sichernstaffel
Security Gendarme Force

All British Londinian citizens detained within the Aequatian Republic will continue to be held in the facilities as dictated by the Department of Justice. Their fates will be decided shortly.

Signed

GEN N. Hauser,
Commander-in-Chief,
Sichernstaffel.

To the International Community involved in the detaining of foreign nationals:


British Londinium has released all detained foreign citizens.

This is a momentous step in ending this crisis, for through its actions, the BL has apologized for any recent hostility that has arisen.

Please accept this from British Londinium, and release your detained foreign nationals at once.


Only then will steps toward cooperative peace and international human rights treaties be possible.


We hail this recent turn of events as a landslide victory for all democratic nations everywhere.

Please continue this event by contributing to it, and releasing your detained citizens.

Thank you.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance

Official Proclamation from The Most Wise Empress Kou the third of Otaku-do

In light of the release of all foreign nationals imprisoned during the recent hostilities in the region Otaku-do's borders will be reopened to all nations. However, the FornMini has closed the borders to outgoing travel to countries now engaged in open warefare. Exceptions will only be made for those travelling to offer humanitarian aid to civilians affected by the conflict.

(OOC: FornMini is a 1984 style name for Otaku-do's Foreign Ministry, though Otaku-do is not in anyway like the government in 1984, I just think the reference is kinda cool)

Official Proclamation from The Most Wise Empress Kou the third of Otaku-do

In light of the release of all foreign nationals imprisoned during the recent hostilities in the region Otaku-do's borders will be reopened to all nations. However, the FornMini has closed the borders to outgoing travel to countries now engaged in open warefare. Exceptions will only be made for those travelling to offer humanitarian aid to civilians affected by the conflict.

(OOC: FornMini is a 1984 style name for Otaku-do's Foreign Ministry, though Otaku-do is not in anyway like the government in 1984, I just think the reference is kinda cool)


Thank you for your spirit of benevolent cooperation and enlightened humanism.

I respect those qualities in a national leader.

-His Excellency, Chancellor Nicolae Augustus of the Republic of One World Alliance