NationStates Jolt Archive

Sparta-like nation - Kampfers
Greece-like nation - Lorkhan
Rome-like nation - Imperial isa
Egypt-like nation - 1st Peacekeepers
China-like nation - Seraya
Mongol-like nation - Nueve Italia
Maya-like nation - Aztec National League
Aztec-like nation - Aztec National League
Carthage-like nation - New Manth
Japan-like nation - Living Freedom Land
Persian-like nation - Maldorians
Viking-like nation - Wanderjar
Ottoman-like nation - Ok-La-Ho-Ma
Celt-like nation - Nitrodymium
Goth-like nation - Die Zweiten Reich
Hittite-like nation - The Mewokian Isles
Phoenician-like nation - Honako
Assyrian-like nation - Aitrovia
Teuton-like nation - Waldenburg 2
Korean-like nation - Burlovia
Babylonia-like nation - North Calaveras
Byzantine-like nation - Emporer Pudu
Gaul-like nation - Auralinia
Isael-like nation - New Brittonia
Inca-like nation - ShuHan
Hun-like nation - Isamistan
Etruscan-like nation - Carloginias
Saracen-like nation - Corbournne
Scythian-like nation - Carloginias

There's the list of who's who.

RULES:
Everyone starts with 1 city and the surrounding landscape. They also start out with 10,000 people, and grow no more than 40 people per day. However, if you conquer land, you can gain upto 150 people in the early stages of the game. In later stages, I'll update that the population growth numbers. Also, note that you loose people in war.

You'd be using the technology your nation had at its PRIME. Yes, I do realize there's a time difference. That, however, will allow you to advance over time, rather it be on your own or with allies you forge before the big war begins. (So, yes, this is also a civ building RP)

For travel... during the early stages of this RP, it will take 1 day to move 100 miles for anyone on foot (military or not), as well as for building supplies; 1 day for 150 miles for anyone on horseback (excludes supplies being hauled by animals), military or not; 1 day for 75 miles with any seige equipment; 1 day for 100 miles with any ships or boats.

We use the standard world map.

THIS IS A CLOSED RP FOR ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP! If there is anything left in the signup thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532216), then you may signup. This offer will only be left up for the rest of today.

RP Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532707) - GO THERE FOR RPing, KEEP OOC CHATTER HERE!

w00t, glad to get this started! I will be marching up Greece, and don't expect any major fighting unless Athens comes down to meet me. The 1st major conflict I expect to have is at Corinth, but I am just going to starve them out, so it's all good. After that its on to Athens to make contact and diplomacy. But I figure that other than Corinth, my army should be able to march and conquer the land with minimal losses. Anyone against that?

who are you attacking Kampfers?

who are you attacking Kampfers?

^^^ See above post ^^^

who are you attacking Kampfers?
I think he's attacking the "natives" trying to capture new land and take some people.

I think he's attacking the "natives" trying to capture new land and take some people.

Pretty much!

RULES:
Everyone starts with 1 city and the surrounding landscape. They also start out with 1,000 people, and grow no more than 20 people per day. However, if you conquer land, you can gain upto 150 people in the early stages of the game. In later stages, I'll update that the population growth numbers. Also, note that you loose people in war.

Not trying to be argumentative, but 1,000 people is not big enough to be self-sustaining, let alone to raise an army. I would suggest more like 20,000, which would also be a decent cutoff size for a reasonably important city.

I ran across this quote on Wiki when doing research for Carthage, its illustrative:

The Phoenicians lacked the population or necessity to establish self-sustaining cities abroad, and most cities had fewer than 1,000 inhabitants

Basically what the Phoenicians were doing was making naval bases, not cities in their own rights. When they were trying to make a real city, the population would be much greater.

Remember, you are just establishing your nation. I'm sure growthrate will start booming. Especially when you begin conquering neighboring tribes and what not. Your not at the height of your nation yet. As in you don't make 10X what Athens made a year and you don't sport a population of more then 250,000.

I realize that. Hell, Rome was a city of a million during the height of the Empire. I'm definitely not asking for that.

However a city of a thousand people in ancient times would have needed to be a colony to survive (i.e., it would have needed regular new infusions of population from its founding city to make up for the fact that it couldn't sustain the institutions and population of a city on its own). 1,000 people in ancient times would not have been enough to sustain population growth at all. Independent cities this size would have died out into little fishing villages or whatnot.

I suppose I can agree with that, but 20,000 is a bit extreme. I think Tyre's population was only 100,000 at it's height. Maybe 10,000? Depeding on your population you can support something semi-decent.

Remember that that 20,000 would include women, children, old people, etc etc. So the actual 'useful' population would be less.

Anyway I don't mean to quibble about details, its just that 1,000 seems unsustainably low. 10,000 would definitely be better.

True enough, I just don't think anyone should be able to field more then 3,000 men. And I find that rather exceding in this current state.

And Kampf, I find it interesting that you conquered a city in one post and your army without resting is on route to an armed city

True enough, I just don't think anyone should be able to field more then 3,000 men. And I find that rather exceding in this current state.

And Kampf, I find it interesting that you conquered a city in one post and your army without resting is on route to an armed city

Please note, this is in the early stages. This has transformed from just a WW to a civ building leading upto a world war RP.

And there's no real set amount of land between villages. The travel guideline I have added is so that people don't move across an entire country in 1 day and things like that, keeping it a bit more realistic. You may come across 5 native villages in 1 day, and other times it may be 3-4 days before you come across someone.

As for who will be RPing them, the way most RP's work when coming across a "native" country or people, is that that person invading RP's the whole war/battle unless someone else wants to. That's the way this is setup.

Hope that answers your questins!

Thats how. And I figure they are roughly the same size as us, if not smaller. I rped them being the same size. And the result was realistic. A group of spartans would slaughter them, maybe even worse than i rped. Ever see the 300? And never said they weren't gonna rest. And I don't plan on them getting to Corinth until probably Saturday. Then I will lay seige to the city for a few days and starve them into submission.

You also didn't say they would. Are you really that ignorant to assume that Hollywood would base it's movies on historical evidence? I believe those 300 'lone' Spartans were assisted by several thousand Greeks.

2. Myceane was once the seat of a large kingdom, do you really think it is just going to roll over and die?

3. Myceane is on a hill.. why would they give up a terrain advantage to meet you on the field?

4. Again.. one post.

You also didn't say they would. Are you really that ignorant to assume that Hollywood would base it's movies on historical evidence? I believe those 300 'lone' Spartans were assisted by several thousand Greeks.

2. Myceane was once the seat of a large kingdom, do you really think it is just going to roll over and die?

3. Myceane is on a hill.. why would they give up a terrain advantage to meet you on the field?

4. Again.. one post.

1. From Wiki:
A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I of Persia (Xerxes the Great) could pass. After three days of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. Dismissing the rest of the army, King Leonidas stayed behind with 300 Spartans and 700 Thespian volunteers. The Persians succeeded in taking the pass but sustained heavy losses, extremely disproportionate to those of the Greeks. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army

Pretty sure the spartans did the heavy lifting there.

2. They only have 1000 people, just like the rest of us.

3. Because I did not want to have to RP laying seige and forcing them to meet me in battle. Better sooner than later.

4. It's not the number of posts... Why am i explaining this to you... You never understood in our last rp... Also, I have to go. You want to argue more, we can do so later.

You also didn't say they would. Are you really that ignorant to assume that Hollywood would base it's movies on historical evidence? I believe those 300 'lone' Spartans were assisted by several thousand Greeks.


Yup, actually they fielded an Army of 7,000. Still, estimates for the Persian army vary from somewhere around five million to a few tenths of thousands, so Persia clearly had an advantage.

Anyhow, I think 15,000 would be an excellent number for a capital city of an influential regional power, which is exactly what we are right now.

I personally based my plan of conquest in China on the Qin-Dynasty. As soon as resistance by other kingdoms broke, they were able to march through the country and take it all. China has never been known to be weak on the outside - their true weakness is the inside (as illustrated by the fact that I am giving three generals territories that put them de facto on the same level as the current king and future emperor.)

Alright, here's what I'll do. 10,000 for everyone starting off. ALSO, because of the enlargened population, you may have upto 40 new people per day.

Alright, here's what I'll do. 10,000 for everyone starting off. ALSO, because of the enlargened population, you may have upto 40 new people per day.

cool. Because of my previously mentioned reasons I will take 36 a day. Also, I request your input. Is my last ic post ok?

Hey viZion. Other than the fact that my military numbers are now off a bit since you increased our populations, is my last battle RP ok?

As long as not every battle against natives in this RP are that easy, then yes.

As long as not every battle against natives in this RP are that easy, then yes.

I don't figure them to be. The numbers are askew since we changed the number of people in our cities. Want me to multiply them by 10?

So for me, ill modify a map of my expansion just to show since im new and cant explain this well, dont worry its small.

Ok, this map is more for my refrence than yours, im just posting it to see if that amount of land is too much to take, it may look big, but only around 2,500 people live there at this time in history.

My Expansion (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4kk3uoo)

I don't figure them to be. The numbers are askew since we changed the number of people in our cities. Want me to multiply them by 10?
You don't have to.

I know my post seemed really really magical and stuff, but I assure you its for dramatic effect.

ooc- ok, why is this sounding like Civilization?

ooc- ok, why is this sounding like Civilization?
I was thinking Age of Empires... heh. And because there were a few problems with the original idea that had to be changed to make it work, thus turning it from a world war of the ancient years only to a civ building RP that'll turn into a world war.

ooc- ok, why is this sounding like Civilization?

Meh, I like civilization...

Meh, I like civilization...

i got civ 3. . . my PC sucks too much for civ 4.

I never really cared for Civ... always been an Ager... heh :p You guys ever played the Stronghold series games? They're pretty cool ,too, but more of a castle-building then civ building game

I never really cared for Civ... always been an Ager... heh :p You guys ever played the Stronghold series games? They're pretty cool ,too, but more of a castle-building then civ building game

I heard of it. . . never played it, stronghold 1 is at the $9.99 software shelf at Target

i got civ 3. . . my PC sucks too much for civ 4.

Nice, I have Civ 3 too. In my opinion the best part of the game that 4 doesnt have, is how your leader slowly changes his looks. Like in the older age he wears fur and stuff, then he wears medeval stuff, then the imperial stuff and so on...

Nice, I have Civ 3 too. In my opinion the best part of the game that 4 doesnt have, is how your leader slowly changes his looks. Like in the older age he wears fur and stuff, then he wears medeval stuff, then the imperial stuff and so on...

that was tight. I played Civ 4 a bit on my PC, it had minimum specs so it was crappy. I liked the religion part though, for civ 4.

Pshh its all about Rome total war

i never played it

wasn't it on some history channel thing though?

Pshh its all about Rome total war

Pshh its all about Rome total war

Psshh, Its all about the Medieval 2 Total War..

Yeah, they redesigned battles using it. Really really cool.

i heard of it. . . it would be funny if the victor lost

lol

i never played it

wasn't it on some history channel thing though?

Yeah, they redesigned battles using it. Really really cool.

1. From Wiki:

Quote:
A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I of Persia (Xerxes the Great) could pass. After three days of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. Dismissing the rest of the army, King Leonidas stayed behind with 300 Spartans and 700 Thespian volunteers. The Persians succeeded in taking the pass but sustained heavy losses, extremely disproportionate to those of the Greeks. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army

Pretty sure the spartans did the heavy lifting there.

2. They only have 1000 people, just like the rest of us.

3. Because I did not want to have to RP laying seige and forcing them to meet me in battle. Better sooner than later.

4. It's not the number of posts... Why am i explaining this to you... You never understood in our last rp... Also, I have to go. You want to argue more, we can do so later.

1. I need a direct link
2. We have 10,000 now
3. True enough
4. I understand plenty, but the army of Myceane just magically deciding to give up their defensive advantage rush out of the city and are crushed by your army... woah the quality sure is impressive.

1. I need a direct link
2. We have 10,000 now
3. True enough
4. I understand plenty, but the army of Myceane just magically deciding to give up their defensive advantage rush out of the city and are crushed by your army... woah the quality sure is impressive.

1. Linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
Read the 1st section, before the table of contents. There were 6,000 others, but Leonidas dismissed them...

2. So multiply the numbers by 10. I don't care.
3. Thank you.
4. They would have come out of the city if I was seiging them. You just agreed with me. Anyways, viZion already said I was fine, so idk why I am still arguing this.

1. Leondis may or may not have dismissed them. Herodotus claims that many of them left of their own accord. And that still dosen't change the fact that they were there for the first two days of the battle. I believe the battle lasted 3 days total? Yes. So they contributed well. They only left after the Persian encirclement. Part 2- The Spartans also had their slave troops there as well. The army was there for most of the battle.

4. You failed to note my sarcasm? Just because I agreed with your post three dosen't mean quality is rush out and are instantly defeated.

1. Leondis may or may not have dismissed them. Herodotus claims that many of them left of their own accord. And that still dosen't change the fact that they were there for the first two days of the battle. I believe the battle lasted 3 days total? Yes. So they contributed well. They only left after the Persian encirclement. Part 2- The Spartans also had their slave troops there as well. The army was there for most of the battle.

4. You failed to note my sarcasm? Just because I agreed with your post three dosen't mean quality is rush out and are instantly defeated.

Yeah, your idea of quality is having troops magically appear on my border, having bombers not get shot down, changing war posts to make them more strategically sound, and stuff like that ain't it now? I'm not going to discuss this with you any more.

Yeah, your idea of quality is having troops magically appear on my border, having bombers not get shot down, changing war posts to make them more strategically sound, and stuff like that ain't it now? I'm not going to discuss this with you any more.

Lol. Attempting to change the subject because I'm correct. I enjoy that.

But to play with this a bit more- The idea of the poor countries of the Balkans being able to afford millions of men, sattellites, and state of the art weaponry. Oh and EFJ was a MT not a PMT. Good day.

Lol. Attempting to change the subject because I'm correct. I enjoy that.

But to play with this a bit more- The idea of the poor countries of the Balkans being able to afford millions of men, sattellites, and state of the art weaponry. Oh and EFJ was a MT not a PMT. Good day.

Oh nice parting shot big man! It was PMT, thats why everyone was importing their super ships and tanks and stuff. Dont believe me? lok at AB's factbook. And I already explained this to you. The number in my factbook was total, including logistics, reserves, etc. 1 sat in orbit is not that expensive. And I only had 1 state of the art weapon. That would be my fighter.

Look at the title, genious.

Acient War OOC Thread


EXCELLENT MASTERY OF SPELLING YOU HAVE THERE!


learn to spell, thanks.

Look at the title, genious.

That applies to you too. And AB clearly stated that you could use PMT stuff in the game.

Just because you can dosen't mean that it instantly becomes a PMT world.

Not to sound rude to either of you but good you please take this discussion elsewhere. If anything looks unfair in the future Carlo, you can always Rp the resistance against Kamp, and Vice Versus. So please take it elsewhere.

Alright.

NC, a couple things. First, you don't even know about the America's yet. You barely know about your own surroundings. The same goes for everyone else. Second, you can't simply just "be in America" that quickly.

Shogun Total War, actually. :D

And the Stronghold games are awesome... as are the Ager games, too.

And guys... chill out, it's a game, alright? Just RP and have fun. :)

yeah NC you dont even have a seaport yet

Shogun Total War, actually. :D

And the Stronghold games are awesome... as are the Ager games, too.

I love the little ninja videos, especially the ones with the priests :eek: If fact the only bad part about the game is the Gieshas kill every time.

Thanks Jerusalem, but I am in Italy.. And if you want to engage in diplomatic relations just make a new thread and TG me. I'll accept.

Thanks Jerusalem, but I am in Italy.. And if you want to engage in diplomatic relations just make a new thread and TG me. I'll accept.

ar you now as i'm in Italy

Um.. and? Etruscans dominated the Italian Peninsula before Rome did, buddy.

Um.. and? Etruscans dominated the Italian Peninsula before Rome did, buddy.

no only whats in the map here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

Dominate and own are two different things. The US dominates the world economically and militarily, but does it own the world?

China dominates the world economically not the US

ar you now as i'm in Italy

You both are, since you are both really small, there's plenty of room for both of you. Italy is a big place ;)

China dominates the world economically not the US

US dominates world economically. Without the US China wo uld still be the shit it was during the Warsaw Pact.

US dominates world economically. Without the US China wo uld still be the shit it was during the Warsaw Pact.

keep up with then news US no longer dose

*Sigh*

10 trillion- China
13 Trillion- US

Nearly a quater of exports from US- China


Furthermore, the news stations don't provide any sort of basis do they? In actuallity it is going to take an estiamted 30 years for China is surpass the US in terms of GDP, and even in those years China is still going to have some of the lowest standards of living in the world.

stuff news stations i was looking at the stockmarket

Ah.

Ah.

indeed aside that we should work together to keep Italy in Italian hands

Just wanted to say sorry, but I am going to withdraw from this thread

Thanks Jerusalem, but I am in Italy.. And if you want to engage in diplomatic relations just make a new thread and TG me. I'll accept.

oh. . . I thought you were closer.


You still wanna do it?

Yes. I like moneh.

Etruscan-like nation - Carloginias
Scythian-like nation - Carloginias

I'm just Etruscans, lol.

Look at the title, genious.

what title?

hey, i don't know what to do

go suck a bag of dicks and run into an aids tree you perice of shit. life is wasted on the likes of you. kill yourself for the benefit of all mankind.

I'd delete that post for your own benefit. I have told the mods about this and there's only so much time before they do something about it. (although the can probably see it even if it's deleted)

Anyways, don't spam the thread.

@New Brittonia

Don't worry. That was an off topic argument we got into. Anyways, just rp building your city, conquereing others and the like. Its a lot like Civiization

Thanks Jerusalem, but I am in Italy.. And if you want to engage in diplomatic relations just make a new thread and TG me. I'll accept.

can we do that in the IC thread.

Send me a response to the letter, please

Please take note ... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533072) <--- *click*

I've gotten a little to busy/involved in a few RP's that directly involve MT ViZion. As such, I'm going to relinquish my Maya-like nation and hand it over to ANL.

ANL, if you end up giving it to someone else, just TG me who and I'll fix the list of who's who.

Well, Viz...I'll take it over. However, if there are any objections, I will gladly hear them and work on some sort of compromise.

two Nations a bit unfare i think two tech and more poeple then the others right now

two Nations a bit unfare i think two tech and more poeple then the others right now
Well, if we can get someone else to take up Maya, ANL can hold it and advance it til then. Sound good?

Well, if we can get someone else to take up Maya, ANL can hold it and advance it til then. Sound good?

well wait and see what the others say and we still need someone for Scythian as well Mongol and Ottoman now that Nueve Italia can't do it and Ok-La-Ho-Ma dropping out

well wait and see what the others say and we still need someone for Scythian as well Mongol and Ottoman now that Nueve Italia can do it and Ok-La-Ho-Ma dropping out
Alright, sounds like a plan.

I feel this is more than acceptable. I guess I should point out now that from July 22 - July 28, I will be out of town. I can't garuntee that I'll get internet, so during that time, I probably won't log in. After that though, I'll return to RPing again.

I feel this is more than acceptable. I guess I should point out now that from July 22 - July 28, I will be out of town. I can't garuntee that I'll get internet, so during that time, I probably won't log in. After that though, I'll return to RPing again.

funny Nueve Italia post says about July 22nd they may be back and you go out of town on that date

Actually, I am back: moving didn't take me as long as I thought it would (albeit there's still alot to get done ...).

But no, I'm back, and I'll be keeping control of my Mongol-like nation if that's okay with everyone.

good but we still have two that need people

.. Did start with all of Etruria or did I RP right and just expand from city to city?

Expand from city to city.

Good. And I will reply to everyone tommorrow.

Sounds good.

Kampfers are you still around? It's your move in Corinth.

Sounds good.

Kampfers are you still around? It's your move in Corinth.

your not the only one waiting for them has someone senn the China player lately