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During the Caz'e-Londinium wars, Londinian soldiers and the Londinian goverment commited war crimes and atrocities that even outmatch that of the Atopian goverment.

here is the full list of witnessed war crimes

Rape
Nerve gas
Mass murder
Cazelian ball incident
Enslavement of children
Torture
Severe beating of civilians
Deliberate murder of children

these war crimes will be brought upon the UN and will not go unpunished!

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

British Londinium is not technically a member of the United Nations, and thus cannot be held accountable to their edicts. Furthermore, the rape and enslavement of children was merely a threat to entice the people of New Riverport to surrender and has not (and will not) actually occured.

With a big "fuck you" to Cazelia,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

l.o. dispatch to Cazelia
Where is the evidence?

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12859171']l.o. dispatch to Cazelia
Where is the evidence?

check Orlock. it was nerve-gassed

Upon hearing news that a man from British Londinium opened fire at the airoprt there my chief of staff Ms. Nadiah Younus was at I, the government of New Brittonia, and the Communist Party of New Brittonia demand a full investigation into this incident.


Signed,
Prime Minister
David Flower

As a fellow non-member of the United Nations, I can take great pleasure in telling the Cazelian leader to blow his complaints out of his ass. The U.N. has no power to enforce laws in nations who are not members, so you have no leg to stand on.

Upon hearing news that a man from British Londinium opened fire at the airoprt there my chief of staff Ms. Nadiah Younus was at I, the government of New Brittonia, and the Communist Party of New Brittonia demand a full investigation into this incident.


Signed,
Prime Minister
David Flower

We would like to know what are you investgating here?

Aimless von Strangaild

The Watchman Daily

Mark Main, Columnist

Either members the Cazelian government, or individuals within Cazelia have recently brought accusations against the government of British Londinium (or Eurasia, or whatever it is that they're calling themselves this week) regarding war crimes allegedly carried out during the Caz'e-Londinium Wars.

In a typically poorly thought out and unsigned statement, the party or parties bringing these allegations listed, among others, the use of nerve gas, mass murder, the enslavement and murder of children, and severe beatings of civilians, and promised to bring this to the attention of the United Nations- or as they worded it to bring 'these war crimes... upon the UN'. While these crimes would undoubtedly be henious if they did occur, the party or parties bringing these allegations have yet to provide any proof. When queried as to this, their response was to 'Check Orlock' as 'it was nerve-gassed'.

The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP, Consul of British Londinium denied that enslavement of children or rape had occurred, though conceding that they had been threatened, and neither confirming nor denying the other allegations. In addition, Sir Davidson pointed out that since British Londinium was not part of the United Nations, they were not bound by any edicts passed by said body. He concluded the message by sugesting (or offering?) an obscene act to the nation of Cazelia as a whole.

We'll keep you updated on this circus as it unfolds.

OOC: Don't appeal to the UN, it is a game fuction. Normally I would say appeal to UFAN, but they are kinda busy currently defending Vetaka. I'd say go for the signers of NEATO. Say that BL broke NEATO, blah blah blah. Search for it if you need to know more.

We would like to know what are you investgating here?

Aimless von Strangaild

The shooting incident at the airport.

ICCD would like Cazelia to grant permission for ICCD to send investigative teams to investigate the issues in depth.

Is this ok with Cazelia.

l.o. iccd

OOC: ICCD <-- Cazelia is officially under coalition control, with Urcea and myself at the helm. Conveniently enough, the areas in which the supposed warcrimes have been committed are under my direct control.

OOC: Ever notice how newbs claim that you "will be punished" or "we will make you sorry" or things like that?

OOC: Ever notice how newbs claim that you "will be punished" or "we will make you sorry" or things like that?

OOC: I'm thinking about classifying that as "resistance"...

Internment camps ftw!

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12859324']ICCD would like Cazelia to grant permission for ICCD to send investigative teams to investigate the issues in depth.

Is this ok with Cazelia.

l.o. iccd


OOC it's fine with me, but you have to ask the coalition guys

as paraphrased from the Logothe's Office in dispatch to B.L. OOC: ICCD <-- Cazelia is officially under coalition control, with Urcea and myself at the helm. Conveniently enough, the areas in which the supposed warcrimes have been committed are under my direct control.
Do you object to ICCD investigating the accusitions. If they didn't happen obviously you have nothing to hide.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12859453']as paraphrased from the Logothe's Office in dispatch to B.L.
Do you object to ICCD investigating the accusitions. If they didn't happen obviously you have nothing to hide.

Or maybe he simply doesn't want people poking their noses in for no reason.

-----ICCD is largely a neutral state, if it wanted war it'd already be happening.

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

We are aware of Cazelia's unfounded accusations of war crimes. However, an external investigation, at this time, would be imprudent. Cazelia is an unstable state, and insurgent pockets are beginning to form. It would be unsafe for foreign nationals to enter. Unfortunately, we are going to have to outright deny any request to launch an investigation.

Furthermore, I must state that, even if these accusations were true, how we would be in violation of any international agreements that we are a part of? We are not a signatory to NEATO, nor to various human rights accords, and thus we cannot be held accountable to that which we do not participate in.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12859476']-----ICCD is largely a neutral state, if it wanted war it'd already be happening.

Two words:

"Drop Dead."

OOC: Even if you are not a part of it, people can try, repeat, try, to force you to uphold the standard.

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As Lorkhan has recently initiated trade with British Londinium that is vital to the progress of our economy, the Grand Nasier has taken great interest in these accusations.

We insist Cazelia to show substantial evidence of these claims or retract your statement and appologize for these insults to British Londinium and their partners. Any attack by Cazelia on British Londinium soil will be considered an attack on the Nationalist Republic's interests, and will be met by force and further occupation of Cazelia to insure the security of British Londinium and their trade allies.

We request the dispatch of Oculmagt agents to Cazelia territory to further investigate these claims.

On behalf of the Grand Nasier Tiber Valias,
Lady Pesch
Minister of Foreign Affairs
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As a fellow member of CID with British Londinium, we take such claims as those made by Cazelia very seriously.

We challenge Cazelia to provide any evidence for the claims, and point out any way in which British Londinium could be held to account as a non-UN member regardless.

We suggest that the Cazelians think before they speak - remember who your country belongs to before making such accusations.

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

We are aware of Cazelia's unfounded accusations of war crimes. However, an external investigation, at this time, would be imprudent. Cazelia is an unstable state, and insurgent pockets are beginning to form. It would be unsafe for foreign nationals to enter. Unfortunately, we are going to have to outright deny any request to launch an investigation.

Furthermore, I must state that, even if these accusations were true, how we would be in violation of any international agreements that we are a part of? We are not a signatory to NEATO, nor to various human rights accords, and thus we cannot be held accountable to that which we do not participate in.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

ICCD isn't concerned with your breach of any treaties you may have been party to, it just considers breach of basic human rights without cause to be activities it has no desire to support.

Your refusal to allow a neutral third party to investigate the accusations, is unfortunate, and we will not be in a position to support your occupation, in any method to improve conditions in the area.

Two words:

"Drop Dead."

OOC: I'd like any information on your country that would be publicly available such as public alliances, known orbat, maps of your territory etc.. you can TG me any applicable links.

open Goverment declaration


Your fear to show the war crimes you commited to the international community is unfortunate. your crimes are a direct violation of human rights and is a crime against humanity. i say let the inspectors in and i will quell the insurgent patches.

sincerally,
Alexander J Hasley, President

Official Statement from TSRT Government
"Even if the so-called 'atrocities' claimed by the former nation of Cazelia are true, we remind everyone that British Londinium is a sovereign nation and can do as it pleases within its own territory. Cazelia currently being occupied by British Londinium counts as its territory. We also remind the Cazelian 'government', or more likely... terrorist leader, that they have surrendered."
End Statement

Official Statement from TSRT Government
"Even if the so-called 'atrocities' claimed by the former nation of Cazelia are true, we remind everyone that British Londinium is a sovereign nation and can do as it pleases within its own territory. Cazelia currently being occupied by British Londinium counts as its territory. We also remind the Cazelian 'government', or more likely... terrorist leader, that they have surrendered."
End Statement

official 'fuck you' statement to red tide goverment

these war crimes were commited before the surrender. and seriously, i do not like to be called a terrorist leader. the war crimes commited by British Londinium are crimes against humanity, and nothing short of human rights violations.

sincerally,
President Alexander J Hasley

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MESSAGE TO CAZELIA
FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
Until such a time as you can prove these accusations, I doubt anyone will take you seriously. As for accusing them of 'War Crimes', what laws are you using to dictate what these Crimes are? If you are using any and all the UN Legislation, you are foolhardy.

Brittish Londinium is not a member of the United Nations and thus they do not follow any of the current UN Resolutions as they stand. They can do what they want, as they want, in your nation due to it being their territory now. Stop all the BS and deal with it until they return control over to you, or get a new governemnt elected in your nation.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12859689']OOC: I'd like any information on your country that would be publicly available such as public alliances, known orbat, maps of your territory etc.. you can TG me any applicable links.

OOC: Find it out yourself.

Official Reply
"Watch yourself, we can easily make the Londiniums look like Jesus Christ after they leave if we want to. I dont see why they would put you back in power anyways, as you are against their government, so for now, your title will from us will be terrorist leader.

As they say in English, Kapeesh?"
End Message

OOC: Find it out yourself.

OOC:
General RP Etiquette is that if someone asks, you point them to where they can find the information. Such as a NSWiki Article or something similar. Like if someone were to ask me, i'd point them at the link to my NSWiki article in my signiture, which has a vast majority of information about my nation in it.

OOC:
General RP Etiquette is that if someone asks, you point them to where they can find the information. Such as a NSWiki Article or something similar. Like if someone were to ask me, i'd point them at the link to my NSWiki article in my signiture, which has a vast majority of information about my nation in it.

OOC: I don't make the information publicly available. The closest I have to a factbook is the capital thread, which is classified, and they wouldn't know anyway.

ooc: Well, they asked information what is publicly available. Even if you are like Stalin's USSR or North-korea, then some parts of information would be still publicly known(like geography for example).

open Goverment declaration

Your fear to show the war crimes you commited to the international community is unfortunate. your crimes are a direct violation of human rights and is a crime against humanity. i say let the inspectors in and i will quell the insurgent patches.

sincerally,
Alexander J Hasley, President

Who is to say what constitutes a war crime? You saw fit to use nuclear weapons on the Londinian ships - in some states, the use of nuclear material is considered a war crime. As far as we are concerned, nothing you listed as a war crime indeed falls into the category; torture, slavery, even the attacks on children are justified by your own admission that owning guns is compulsory - not allowed, COMPULSORY - for everyone. I do not find it absurd to think that children could use said guns for their own attempts at defense.

You can try to make British Londinium "face justice" for their "crimes", but you tried to attack them already and it hasn't got you far. Try again, and you'll have us to contend with as well as the sizable force already opposed to you.

Official Statement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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With gun ownership compulsory, the normal reprehensibility of attacking civilian populations is of course debatable, but it is highly unlikely that children are subject to any sort of compulsory gun ownership, and in any case, by any standard in the world shooting unarmed children is a most despicable act.

Even if McPsychoville's resident chimpanzee's argument that attacking children held water, which it does not, torture and slavery are NEVER justified in any military engagement the stated intent of which is not genocide.

By Mr. Williams' logic, the Doomani Nazis who occupied our territory in the Negev Desert were justified in murdering over a billion people simply because they weren't Catholics. I trust such an implication was not intended, or our relations with Shazbotdom would be... in grave peril.

The Government of Kahanistan notes that the above mentioned Doomani Nazis are currently being slaughtered by Automagfreek for their practice of slavery, which has claimed hundreds of millions of our own populace.

Signed,
Rachel C. Levitt,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. It'll do the same damage whether it's a forty-year-old combat veteran with twenty years long service or a pimply fourteen-year-old who's just learned to masturbate firing it if they hit - the chances are much lower with the pimply kid actually hitting, but a shot in the head is fatal no matter who delivers it. And torture is a perfectly fine tactic for prising information out of someone who doesn't want to give it. Slavery isn't something we particularly like, but we can see its advantages - there was a time when this nation stood alongside Lord Dreadfire against slavers, but that was a more idealistic and stupid time.

Hence, Ms. Levitt, I submit that it is you who are the chimpanzee, and that if you feel so strongly about these issues, you are welcome to, as our youth often say, "get in the ring".

Yours,
Major-General Samson Cowell

Official Statement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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I know all about firearms, General Cowell. I am a forty-year-old combat veteran, and I did learn to shoot before I was fourteen and enrolling in the Academy's eight-year program (I was 22 when I graduated, in case you were going to accuse us of using child soldiers.)

My point was that children were probably not subject to compulsory gun ownership. And although it's not the point of this discussion, we in Kahanistan generally learn to masturbate well before fourteen. Try eight and in sex education class, with videos.

Torture is not an effective means of getting information other than what you want to hear so you'll take the cattle prod out of some poor sap's ass. People will say anything, whether they know the truth or not. And I don't know what mind-altering drugs you just imported from MassPwnage, but there is nothing stupid about opposing slavery. For once, Dreadfire's two neural cells are actually firing on all eight cylinders, which tends to happen when you give up pro wrestling.

I'll get in the ring with you any time, General Cowell. And you can get humiliated in front of your mates when you get your ass handed to you by a 5'3", 40-year-old woman. Ever tried mud wrestling before?

Signed,
Rachel C. Levitt,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

I never said anything about the children being subject to the compulsory gun-ownership laws, but I think a child might well take up weapons if their parents were incapacitated. It's not too much of a jump, is it? And the general age of masturbation tends to be fourteen around here, although it's never really treated as a taboo activity. But your comment about torture just shows that you have no conception of such methods; a suspect cannot tell us what we want to hear if he does not know what we want to hear in the first place. We train certain members of the Peacekeepers specifically for these purposes, as it happens, and they are ruthlessly effective.

Narcotics - and those "mind-altering" products from MassPwnage - are completely banned within our borders, but that's beside the pointas I have never claimed to say that opposing slavery was stupid; indeed, it's a noble cause. But I've seen the effects a war against something as fundamentally unwinnable has, and they are not pleasant - I thought I didn't lose my eye for nothing, Ms. Levitt, but I did. But this is all ludicrous thanks to your statement that bookended the whole thing - I only mean "get in the ring" as a metaphor, I believe equivocable to "put your money where your mouth is".

I'm no mud wrestler, but I am a wrestler, and a student of Tho Fan. If indeed you wish to "tangle" with me, as the phrase goes, I am more than happy to indulge you.

Yours,
Major-General Samson Cowell. General is still some way off.

The Freekish government calls into question any allegations of war crimes against Londinian troops. Our glorious nation is responsible for rebuilding British Londinium and both training and supplying their new military, alongside our NATO allies of course. Under no cirmumstance was any soldier trained to commit atrocities against civilians nor were they forced to simulate any such activity in military exercises, therefore Automagfreek writes these claims from Cazelia off as nothing more than an attempt to cry for attention.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

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The Freekish government calls into question any allegations of war crimes against Londinian troops. Our glorious nation is responsible for rebuilding British Londinium and both training and supplying their new military, alongside our NATO allies of course. Under no cirmumstance was any soldier trained to commit atrocities against civilians nor were they forced to simulate any such activity in military exercises, therefore Automagfreek writes these claims from Cazelia off as nothing more than an attempt to cry for attention.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

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OOC: Short and crappy, my apologies.

official goverment decleration

the war crimes commited here are witnessed and have happened. the nerve gas attack on Mortun is a human rights violation, the murder of children happened in Hataria and in Cazelia, and there is a 24 hour cerfew witch, if anyone is seen outside at any time, even with a reason, will be shot on sight. after all, Consul Davidson is an ill-concieved monster. he has resulted in the deaths of 48 million Cazelians and Londinians during the war, and leaves his people to starve while he eats off a golden plate.

Sincerally,
President Alexander J Hasley

]The Freekish government calls into question any allegations of war crimes against Londinian troops. Our glorious nation is responsible for rebuilding British Londinium and both training and supplying their new military, alongside our NATO allies of course. Under no cirmumstance was any soldier trained to commit atrocities against civilians nor were they forced to simulate any such activity in military exercises, therefore Automagfreek writes these claims from Cazelia off as nothing more than an attempt to cry for attention.

Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

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OOC:
Your forgiven you Freek. :p

official goverment decleration

the war crimes commited here are witnessed and have happened. the nerve gas attack on Mortun is a human rights violation, the murder of children happened in Hataria and in Cazelia, and there is a 24 hour cerfew witch, if anyone is seen outside at any time, even with a reason, will be shot on sight. after all, Consul Davidson is an ill-concieved monster. he has resulted in the deaths of 48 million Cazelians and Londinians, and leaves his people to starve while he eats of a goldent plate.

Sincerally,
President Alexander J Hasley

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Official Communiqué

Open Declaration:

Using chemical weapons on select military targets in Orlock and New Riverport, whilst having some civilian casualties, while regrettable, is not a war crime, merely an unfortunate accident. Furthermore, there is no cerfew in Londinian Cazelia, merely a curfew, which is a precaution against terror attacks. On that note, soldiers are not instructed to shoot on sight, but are merely given the option if they feel it necessary to utilize it.

And, for the record, British Londinium is a surprisingly equal society, with very few starving. Indeed, my consulship has seen the implementation of a revolutionary system of welfare known as 'minimum guaranteed income', in which each Londinian citizen receives fifteen thousand denarii per year from the government, regardless of employment status. Next time, do some research, Mr Hasley.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Consul of British Londinium

after all, Consul Davidson is an ill-concieved monster.

He may well be, but he is also the sovereign leader of at least part of Cazelia, and he may do as he pleases, as he is not subject to any conventions of any kind. The sovereign nation will do as it pleases. I'm sure there's a reason for most actions the Londinians have been taking.

Respectfully,
Frederick Bremer
Director, VISA Corp Mission in Cazelia

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Official communiqué from the People's Republic of Dressalia

For the attention of Alexander J Hasley, former President - Imperial Democracy of Cazelia,

The Dressalian government was concerned by your claims, and the use of non-conventional weapons of warfare is not something which our government endorses. We note, though, that you have offered no proof and therefore we are not in a position to publicly censure British Londinium, and we would not do so even if proof were offered, as we believe that you were in a position to prevent matters from taking the course they did; your use of nuclear weapons being entirely unacceptable and undermining any argument you may have had.
We feel it important to point out several things to you. Firstly, the insurgency you have made it clear you have control of will only be adding to the suffering of your citizens, so we urge you to immediately order the cessation of hostilities against the force which is currently occupying Cazelia. It is vital that your citizens are not made to deal with the effects of a prolonged conflict, and that it would therefore be in your best interests to fully cooperate with the occupying forces.

We trust that British Londinium is acting properly and humanely. As always we champion human rights, and express our hope that British Londinium is operating with respect to such rights.
Curfews are to be expected with an active insurgency, so may we be so bold as to suggest that the ball is quite firmly in your court, Mr. Hasley.

Sincerely,

Rufus Crosser MP, Foreign Secretary,
People's Republic of Dressalia

official goverment decleration

the war crimes commited here are witnessed and have happened. the nerve gas attack on Mortun is a human rights violation, the murder of children happened in Hataria and in Cazelia, and there is a 24 hour cerfew witch, if anyone is seen outside at any time, even with a reason, will be shot on sight. after all, Consul Davidson is an ill-concieved monster. he has resulted in the deaths of 48 million Cazelians and Londinians during the war, and leaves his people to starve while he eats off a golden plate.

Sincerally,
President Alexander J Hasley

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The Nationalist Republic of Lorkhan -again- implores the opposing forces to British Londinium's reign and tactics in Cazelia to provide the international community with PROOF, not slander.

The Grand Nasier is growing both alarmed and impaitent with your continued accusations targeted toward Lorkhan's allies, and warns the insurgency to bring forth legitamate evidence of these tactics or face the threat of Lorkhan's highly efficiant Varjsoldat Corp, with the blessings of British Londinium's current procurator. We remind Cazelia of our interest in British Londinium, and the welfare of it's property.

We will not idley watch as our economic partners are spat on by cowards empty of nobility and honor, so lacking in pride that they would give up their own nation only to create a scene to gather support from the international community so that they might win back what they willingly surrendered. Bring us proof, else the Varjsoldat give you something to truely cry about.

On behalf of the Grand Nasier Tiber Valias,
Lady Pesch
Minister of Foreign Affairs
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Official Communique from The Empire of the Wolf

Hasley, you're a fool. There are no human rights but those that can be enforced with the gun - our previous existence as National Socialists taught us this much.

We also support our Londinian friends and allies in all their endeavours.

Emperor Ianovich I of the Empire of the Wolf

Pax Lupum!

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: <Open Communication
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

Subject: Accusations against British Londinium

As a member of the Council of International Democracy, a leading member of the Theeb Accords, Founding Member of the United Federation of Allied Nations and an avid supporter of Human Rights and Freedom, The Vetakan Government takes all accusations of Human Rights Violations and War Crimes most seriously especially when the accused is an Ally of the Free Dominion, A Signatory of the Theeb Accords and a leading member in many alliances that where set up to encourage Freedom and Social Equality.

As Secretary of Foreign Affairs I must make it clear that Vetaka supports its ally of British Londinium in its Agenda. However we take these accusations very seriously and as such under the guidance of retired VDF General Frank Smith the Vetakan Government has begun a formal investigation into these claims by Cazelia.

The Vetakan Government calls upon the Cazelian Government to provide and surrender any and all evidence to the Vetakan Investigation so that we may submit our report to the International Community. Rest assured should we locate any grounds to support these claims the Vetakan Government will work as hard as it can to ensure those indiviuals responsible are brought to justice.

Yours

Perry Cox

Secretary of Foreign Affairs to the Free Dominion of Vetaka

To: Alexander Hasley
From: Central Prestonian Intelligence Agency (CPIA)
Subject: War Crimes Evidence
SECURE TRANSMISSION

We have heard from fellow UFAN members of the alleged war crimes committed by British Londinium. Rest assured that these accusations will not go without investigation, and we are here to do the investigating. We have a CPIS agent operating undercover in Cazelia who is in charge of obtaining evidence of crimes against humanity committed by British Londinium's forces. Please respond in good order so that we may set up a meeting.

P.S. For security reasons, please keep the contents of this transmission top secret.

We'd like to make this statement:

Cazelia's claims are not only lies and untrue, but Cazelia has no right to make these accusations. Cazelia is a divided nation and has no government. They cannot make these accusations, as the accusations themselves are illegal. We are starting an investigation into where the accusations are coming from and who are transmitting them: if we find them, they will be arrested and will go before a trial by the bench.

To: Alexander Hasley
From: Central Prestonian Intelligence Agency (CPIA)
Subject: War Crimes Evidence
SECURE TRANSMISSION

We have heard from fellow UFAN members of the alleged war crimes committed by British Londinium. Rest assured that these accusations will not go without investigation, and we are here to do the investigating. We have a CPIS agent operating undercover in Cazelia who is in charge of obtaining evidence of crimes against humanity committed by British Londinium's forces. Please respond in good order so that we may set up a meeting.

P.S. For security reasons, please keep the contents of this transmission top secret.

OOC: Since the good Cazelian president is under arrest, I'm afraid to say your message has been intercepted.

Londinian Communiqué to Central Prestonia

Thank you for notifying us of this illegal spy. He will be promptly liquidated (literally) for crimes of espionage and violation of Londinian immigration law.

official goverment decleration

the war crimes commited here are witnessed and have happened. the nerve gas attack on Mortun is a human rights violation, the murder of children happened in Hataria and in Cazelia, and there is a 24 hour cerfew witch, if anyone is seen outside at any time, even with a reason, will be shot on sight. after all, Consul Davidson is an ill-concieved monster. he has resulted in the deaths of 48 million Cazelians and Londinians during the war, and leaves his people to starve while he eats off a golden plate.

Sincerally,
President Alexander J Hasley

OOC: You can not use anything that happened in hataria in your accusations as all hataria related thread have been closed, and officals forced retcon by the mods after his deletion.

We'd like to make this statement:

Cazelia's claims are not only lies and untrue, but Cazelia has no right to make these accusations. Cazelia is a divided nation and has no government. They cannot make these accusations, as the accusations themselves are illegal. We are starting an investigation into where the accusations are coming from and who are transmitting them: if we find them, they will be arrested and will go before a trial by the bench.

Official Statement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Office of the President

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I do not claim to be familiar with the nation of Cazelia, but in any properly constructed legal system, false accusations are certainly illegal, but one cannot make a blanket statement that allegations of war crimes are illegal without regard to their veracity.

You would say that Londinian soldiers can herd Cazelians into camps, subject them to sterilization and medical experiments, and work them to death in the most horrific conditions, and should they even speak to the international community it is illegal.

In modern legal systems, what is illegal is retaliation, in this case by arrest, for reporting the crimes that are being committed, such as war atrocities by the Londinians.

Certainly you will understand that we have little faith that any tribunal the Urcean government may convene against Cazelians opposing the war crimes committed against them would be fair or impartial.

The borders of the Havenic Republic are free and open to any Cazelian who would rather not live under Urcean or Londinian tyranny.

Signed,
Khalid bin Abdullah al-Omari,
President of the Havenic Republic

With this announcement, Urceo-Cazelian borders are closed. Ships surround the colony to make sure no one gets out.

OOC: I'm also investigating for UFAN, but only UFAN members know this IC'ly


IC: The small conference room, but big enough for twenty people was filled with twelve persons all sitting along a small brown table. One of those twelve got up from her seat. Her name is Lane McHeed. As the Head of the Special Operations Police she wore a black suit and she even had a red tie on.

"So ladies and gentlemen, what do you have for me?" Lane asked the other eleven people in the room, also heads of thier departments. All of them were nervous. Why? 'Cause the boss lady doesn't like bad news. Finally after a small awkward moment a man in a cheap suit stood up from his seat.

"We have nothing," the man from the investigation unit said quickly as he sat back down. Lane's face just as fast turned stern with mild rage. For her at least.

"Your fucking me?"

"No ma'am, we are not... Fucking you," none of the board members understood why their boss had such an... Odd, vocabulary.

"Fine, but you have to have something on the accusations or at least the conflict of where these came from!"

"We do have these," a women also wearing a suit handed several documents over to Lane.

"What the fuck?" Lane stared at the papers in front of her. VC Day celebrated throughout British Londinium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12859331&postcount=5), Aid given to Cazelians amidst border restrictions (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12859514&postcount=16), BL imposes martial law in Cazelia Londii (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12860260&postcount=33), Marshall Law Also Imposed in Urceo-Cazelia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12860325&postcount=38), Soviet Troops Disembark in Cazelia for Peacekeeping Operations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12862963&postcount=83), Progressive Laws Instituted, Are Elections at hand? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12863027&postcount=85). Then she read over the other few documents left such as Army places President Hasley under arrest (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12863347&postcount=94) and The conference went well, says Minister Nevskij (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12863519&postcount=107).

"Ladies and gentlemen. This is the best the Special Operations Police and the Counter Intelligence Agency could come up with?" Lane took a deep breath.

"This is bullshit! Absolutely bullshit! Bloody Hell," after taking a second deep breath and a minute or two of calming herself down she asked, "can we send agents in?"

"Yes and no," chipped in a man at the other end of the table, who is in charge of Special Operations.

"What do you mean?" Lane once again asked, but this time hopefully.

"We can land a squad of troops and there is nothing they could do about it, but... If those agents stay there for even a day they will get caught. These articles do not lie. Those troops over there are pretty good at there job. They will find anyone we send there sooner or later."

"Damn it! I need a break! I'm going to my office. No one follows," Lane rushed out the conference room looking for something she could take her rage out on.

The investigation was going bad and it hadn't even fully started yet.


OOC: Not happy with the post, but I'm tired. Soooooooo, yeah.

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: <Open Communication
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

Subject: Accusations against British Londinium

As a member of the Council of International Democracy, a leading member of the Theeb Accords, Founding Member of the United Federation of Allied Nations and an avid supporter of Human Rights and Freedom, The Vetakan Government takes all accusations of Human Rights Violations and War Crimes most seriously especially when the accused is an Ally of the Free Dominion, A Signatory of the Theeb Accords and a leading member in many alliances that where set up to encourage Freedom and Social Equality.

As Secretary of Foreign Affairs I must make it clear that Vetaka supports its ally of British Londinium in its Agenda. However we take these accusations very seriously and as such under the guidance of retired VDF General Frank Smith the Vetakan Government has begun a formal investigation into these claims by Cazelia.

The Vetakan Government calls upon the Cazelian Government to provide and surrender any and all evidence to the Vetakan Investigation so that we may submit our report to the International Community. Rest assured should we locate any grounds to support these claims the Vetakan Government will work as hard as it can to ensure those indiviuals responsible are brought to justice.

Yours

Perry Cox

Secretary of Foreign Affairs to the Free Dominion of Vetaka

Officially coded message from Imperial goverment

2 survivors from the Orlock have evidence about the nerve gas attacks against civilians, and that Mr. Davidson's 'it was an accident' remark was false

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12856600&postcount=55


and an anymous peice of paper supposedly from a Londinian aircraft was brought to the UFAN inspection team

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12857841&postcount=68

and apperantlly a survivor from new riverport daid thar VX nerve agents were used in artillery shells

and in Mortum, airstikes were used against civilian targets

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International Broadcast

It has come to the attention of his majesty Emperor Maximus Fiorria, ruler of Thrashia, that the current terroristic and illegal ex-ruling parties belonging to the defeated nation of Cazelia are raising cries of war crimes and crimes against humanity, amongst other things.

It is the official statement of Thrashia that these allegations are false, untrue, concocted by mad minds who are bitter at the taste of defeat and now use any means to extract one small fraction of revenge upon an innocent military of an internationally recognized nation, British Londinium.

With proof given forth by the revered and well respected nation of Automagfreek and its declaration concerning the B.L. military, it would seem foolhardy to believe that any such atrocities occurred in what is most likely merely a case of exaggerated collateral damage to the population itself the the post-national industry and infrastructure, which is now being repaired by the coalition forces under B.L. guidance.

These war mongering fiends should not be heeded.

Signed,
Julius Mac von Bock
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Minister of Foreign Affairs
Empire of Thrashia

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The Nationalist Republic of Lorkhan is bothered by the recent evidence uncovered of the VX nerve agent attack on the town of Orlock. While we understand and support the use of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in the case of dire necessity we do not see the point in doing work that able bodied well trained soldiers could have achieved on their own. What happened at Orlock, whether within the territorial command of B.L or otherwise, was nothing short of improper conduct. We do not consider the deliberate order of B.L aerial units delivering nerve agent to be an unfortunate accident, however; we should not and will not consider the tasteless act to be a crime deserving of punishment by any nation or collective. Instead, we offer B.L assistance in properly training soldiers to handle these matters appropriately without the need for chemical agents. We take the same stance on the Cazelian ball incident.

In regards to the threatening pamphlets, Lorkhan again insists that Cazelia refrain from making these comments. Psychological combat is a part of war. These are mere threats not acts, and we shall ignore further commentary on this particular situation. We remind you who started this war in the first place, and that you should take further responsibility in the result of it.

Our trade alliance with British Londinium stands, if they so will it.
On behalf of the Grand Nasier Tiber Valias,
Lady Pesch
Minister of Foreign Affairs
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OOC: We also accuse Urcea of god-modding. Dropping 30 50MT nukes on any nation won't even leave you enough habitable land to occupy. The Tsar bomb produced 1% the energy of the Sun. Do the math. That’s 30% the output of the Sun. Energy on that level would literally rip Earth apart. Cazelia should be a massive crater surrounded by natural disaster right now. The fallout and aftershock of those attacks would make the land completely uninhabitable by any life form. Your occupying forces, if somehow managed to conquer the alteration of the terrain and natural environment (which you wouldn‘t), you would be required to wear full radiation suits. Always.

Due to this and other comments I have observed, Urcea has currently been blacklisted for future war scenarios until we see a change in his attitude and playability. Any potential aggressions against my nation will be ignored.

OOC: When I'm the one dropping nukes.

10:40 PM

Thirty bombers set off over Cazelia: with them was total annihilation.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Tsar_Bomba_under_plane.jpg

Thirty cities and towns, all of them non-occupied by allied soldiers, were targeted and hit. What were they hit with?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/TB0063.jpg

Each city/town was hit with a 50MT bomb.

Destruction rained.

OOC: We also accuse Urcea of god-modding. Dropping 30 50MT nukes on any nation won't even leave you enough habitable land to occupy. The Tsar bomb produced 1% the energy of the Sun. Do the math. That’s 30% the output of the Sun. Energy on that level would literally rip Earth apart. Cazelia should be a massive crater surrounded by natural disaster right now. The fallout and aftershock of those attacks would make the land completely uninhabitable by any life form. Your occupying forces, if somehow managed to conquer the alteration of the terrain and natural environment (which you wouldn‘t), you would be required to wear full radiation suits. Always.

Due to this and other comments I have observed, Urcea has currently been blacklisted for future war scenarios until we see a change in his attitude and playability. Any potential aggressions against my nation will be ignored.

OOC: I think you assume that the Earth we're on is the same as the Earth that Cazelia is on. I assumed that the make up of Cazelia's earth allowed for and absorbed a massive amount of radiation and energy. Granted, 50Mt in one bomb is gigantic, but he did what he wanted. I don't think that's godmoding.

Godmoding is the "OMG! Ur n00ks r deflect0rd!" crap.

Of course, it's all how you interpret it. Urcea doesn't need to change his "attitude" or "playability". He does it much better than some people I've seen.

OOC: I think you assume that the Earth we're on is the same as the Earth that Cazelia is on. I assumed that the make up of Cazelia's earth allowed for and absorbed a massive amount of radiation and energy. Granted, 50Mt in one bomb is gigantic, but he did what he wanted. I don't think that's godmoding.

Godmoding is the "OMG! Ur n00ks r deflect0rd!" crap.

Of course, it's all how you interpret it. Urcea doesn't need to change his "attitude" or "playability". He does it much better than some people I've seen.


Well then, you didn't interpret it very well. Like Lorkhan just said, if 50Mt bombs were dropped at one time, the outcome would be devastating. Invading soldiers would be killed as well as countless numbers of Cazelian people. And there the radiation would spread to other nearby nations thus killing some/much of their people.

OOC: Are you guys kidding me? This is bullcrap, that nuke thing definetly qualifies as a godmod and Urcea isn't a great rper, he goes after n00bs for stupid reasons and takes over their small countries. Hes got this ridiculous imperialistic attitude. I for one won't ever rp with him if he continues ridiculous godmods like this. Just my 2 oros.

Well then, you didn't interpret it very well.

No, I think I did. The point is, it already happened, and it's not going to change, so live with it.

No, I think I did. The point is, it already happened, and it's not going to change, so live with it.

Lol, that is like saying that someone did a huge godmode and they let it happe. In reality, they would either 1) Bust his post 2) Get angry and invade him 3) Make him redo it.

Many people are having Urcea do 1 or 3.

Lol, that is like saying that someone did a huge godmode and they let it happen.

I suppose that's what happened, cause no one bothered to worry about it.

It's disagreeable and regrettable, but it's awfully late to change it now, since every part of Cazelia is occuppied.

So, yeah, proabably not a good idea to use Tsar Bomba at all.

I suppose that's what happened, cause no one bothered to worry about it.

It's disagreeable and regrettable, but it's awfully late to change it now, since every part of Cazelia is occuppied.

So, yeah, proabably not a good idea to use Tsar Bomba at all.


That doesn't make it fair. That city or whatever it was is still intact and whatever forces are still alive. That would be the most fair idea.

The Republic of One World Alliance, as a member of the Council of International Democracy, wishes to address British Londinium at this time.

Though the Republic considers our relationship mutual and noble, there are a few accusations that you have admitted to that troubles me, as it would any democratic nation.

The seemingly excessive force that was used on Cazelia seems to breach the very code of legitimate governance of which you hold dear. One must remember that a democratic government has an obligation to promote, sustain, and produce democratic policies in both times of peace and war. Thus, a democratic nation, by theory of universal democratic principles, must handle itself in an appropriate fashion during war, regardless of non-UN membership complexity.

However, the conduct of Cazelia during the war has not yet been fully revealed, and thus British Londinium's actions may have been, however reprehensible, partially justified.

There seems to be much that remains hidden from the international community concerning the war.

British Londinium, I implore you to please open Cazelia to independent third party investigations. The investigating nation will assume all liability, and will acknowledge the dangers that are inherent in any disgruntled occupied nation/territory. This will accomplish much, such as setting the precedent for a transparent government, which must conduct transparent wars and investigations. It will also finally resolve this issue for the international community.

And as your friend and ally, I assume it will resolve this issue in a manner favorable to you.

-His Excellency, Chancellor of the Republic of One World Alliance

OOC: Are you guys kidding me? This is bullcrap, that nuke thing definetly qualifies as a godmod and Urcea isn't a great rper, he goes after n00bs for stupid reasons and takes over their small countries. Hes got this ridiculous imperialistic attitude. I for one won't ever rp with him if he continues ridiculous godmods like this. Just my 2 oros.

OOC: Pot calling the kettle black, are we?

At any rate, I'll down the amount of the bomb. You people wouldn't be happy if I ceased to exist >_<

Official Government Statement

We regret that our previous actions resulted in the death of a CPIA agent. We understand that you did what you had to do, and that sending a foreign agent was not the best means of accomplishing what we had hoped to accomplish. We humbly request to send representatives from our nation, acting on behalf of UFAN, to investigate the war crimes accusations. These investigators will be unarmed and may be followed by the Londinian forces so long as they do not interfere with the investigation. Are these terms acceptable to you?

P.S. We would like to have the remains of our agent returned for a proper burial in his home country.

Official Kampferian Statement
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While we do not know if Cazelia truely had war crimes commited against it, we believe that it is every nation's right to call for help from the international community if such crimes are commited. It is unfortuante that the nation of British Londinium attempts to supress this right. All men must be granted their base rights. You say you aknowledge base human rights, yet you deny them the right to speak to other nations and the right to leave their nation. You make yourself a hypocrite, sir. We urge the nations of the world to place sanctions on the nation of British Londinium, not for war crimes, but for supressing free speech and the right to move.

Fuhrer Richtoff

OOC: Excuse me Urcea, what the hell are you talking about? I have never acted like you.

OOC: Figure it out. I don't have to spell it out for you.

OOC:
How about you two just stop with the OOC bickering? Thank you.

OOC: Do me a favor and spell it out, lets see what kinda bullcrap you can pull out of your ass.

Shaz I'll stop once I get an explanation.

OOC:

can't we all just get along guys?

OOC: BL, you could be a bit less harsh ooc, maybe... Wish i had something to do ICly :(
OOC: I'll be as harsh as I feel like - I find it unbelievable that an RPer who can barely write a coherent sentence with proper grammar is criticizing my sentences.

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BL considers Cazelia pullout

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Amidst an international bitchfest spearheaded by the weaselly nations of Kampfers and Aurum Domus, British Londinium is considering abandoning their sector of Cazelia completely.

Such a pullout would leave nearly one third of Cazelia abandoned and incapable of recovery, as much of the area's infrastructure was heavy damaged during the Londinian advance.

"What will happen is that Cazelia Londii will plunge into anarchy and civil war," Robert Stark, director of the Cicero Institute, a Londinian think-tank. "They have no army, no police, no government outside of British Londinium. A complete withdrawal only a month after the invasion will cause irreparable harm."

Rumours of a possible withdrawal began to circulate after continual protests Kampfers and Aurum Domus.

"Those nations [Kampfers and Aurum Domus] are clearly run by morons," Defence Minister Elliot Crompton remarked to LBG reporters unofficially. "Do they not understand that we didn't declare war here? Do they not understand that we are fucking rebuilding right now? Do they not understand the fact that if we were to grant the fucking Cazelian dogs full access to international media and shit, our ability to reconstruct would be hindered by ceaseless bitching from Kampferian and Domian pussies!? All that criticism does is undermine Cazelian confidence in the rebuilding process and encourage droves of Cazelians to become bloody insurgents!"

There have yet to be any troop movements or an official statement from the government.



Story from LBG NEWS:
http://news.lbg.co.rsp/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/cazelia/2677291.stm

Published:03:53:02 LST

© LBG MMXII

Amidst an international bitchfest spearheaded by the weaselly nations of Kampfers and Aurum Domus

OOC: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


no offense to any of those nations, but that was hilarious as hell British Londinium

OOC: That wasn't very well thought out. If you leave the international community will lend a good amount of aid to Cazelia. I really don't see them descending into anarchy.

British Londinium:


The Republic of One World Alliance would like to lend whatever you may require in your occupation of Cazelia.

Troops, funds, equipment, security forces, etc.

I make this generous offer in hopes that you will reconsider your pullout of the occupied state. I realize that you have been heavily criticized for your occupation, but the Republic recognizes the situation as being critical and unstable should you leave.

I merely await your word.

OOC: I'll be as harsh as I feel like - I find it unbelievable that an RPer who can barely write a coherent sentence with proper grammar is criticizing my sentences.

OOC: You, spearheader of the bitchfest - I don't care.

EDIT: I'm not trying to be well thought-out; I'm pissed as hell. Why? I haven't done anything at all to Cazelia besides be a douche to his President, and you and Kampfers (who's ruled by a fucking führer) become all uppity.
You may think you can be as harsh as you would like, but I'm here to tell you to tone down the OOC comments. You don't have the right to insult other players no matter how you feel about their RP ability.

Official Kampferian Statement
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While we do not know if Cazelia truely had war crimes commited against it, we believe that it is every nation's right to call for help from the international community if such crimes are commited. It is unfortuante that the nation of British Londinium attempts to supress this right. All men must be granted their base rights. You say you aknowledge base human rights, yet you deny them the right to speak to other nations and the right to leave their nation. You make yourself a hypocrite, sir. We urge the nations of the world to place sanctions on the nation of British Londinium, not for war crimes, but for supressing free speech and the right to move.

Fuhrer Richtoff
OOC: Some IC needed in here too...
Official USSW, UFAN Statement
We fully support the sentiments of our Kampferian and Aurum Doman allies. Far from being 'bitching', to quoth MoD Compton's most-uncouth usage, this is merely legitimate protest of British Londinium's positively stifling conduct so far. Yes, we also support Kensington's right to defend itself against aggression, which the efforts of the late government in Caz'e City could be construed as; but that support ends when said self-defense becomes an exercise in wanton imperialism and massively wanton use of weapons of mass destruction. We particularly appreciate the Nationalist Republic of Lorkhan's pointing out what said employment speaks about Londinian military competence, and agree fully that new training regimes are in order if Londinian forces are to satisfy our particular standards for honorable battlefield conduct.

As has been stated elsewhere in regard to the Federational States' allegations of war crimes on Cazelia's part against the Tatom communists, we particularly appreciate neither side in this fight despite being allied to one all the same. A Londinian return of sovereignty to its portion of Cazelia, perhaps under an interim UFAN stabilization force to prevent the anarchy Minister Compton so fears, would be the ideal way for British Londinium to rectify this problem on its part. As for Cazelia, frankly, thinking first before they declare war upon a nation or assault diplomatic personnel thereof, even when arguably provoked, would be the best way to convince us they can behave as a responsible nation in future. Until so convinced, I'm simply waiting for any of the sides in this to suffer a sudden massive attack of a simple thing called 'common sense'; and expect to be waiting for some time yet.

Sincerely,
Christine Friedrich
Deputy Commander in Chief, USSW War Office
Deputy Party Secretary, Wagdian Revolutionary Party
Deputy General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Secretary General, United Federation of Allied Nations

While we understand the sentiment of our Londinian counterparts, we do not think that the threat to withdraw from the nation is particularly sensible. There is a distinct possibility that anarchy would indeed ensue, but that assumes that the land formerly under Londinian control becomes ungoverned - considering that our hundred-thousand-strong peacekeeping force has just landed in Cazatai, this is not a reasonable assumption to make. I can assure you that if you do withdraw your forces, we will move in to ensure the law is upheld.

["The Fuhrer of Kampfers retains almost totalitarian power."

...that sounds pretty oppressive to me.]

OOC: BL, you obviously don't understand my government. Just cuz I have a Fuhrer doesn't make me an oppressive dictatorship. Here, learn some: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12823891&postcount=2

McPsychoville:

You do not have the right to send your troops into any region of Cazelia without the consent of the nation currently occupying the state or upon departure of BL's troops, the interim government, no matter how unorganized.


Perhaps we could reach an agreement through a form of an Accord Treaty.

OOC: BL, you obviously don't understand my government. Just cuz I have a Fuhrer doesn't make me an oppressive dictatorship. Here, learn some: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12823891&postcount=2

OOC: Parliamentary dictatorship. Just because you keep a Parliament around for old times' sake doesn't make you a democracy.

OOC: Parliamentary dictatorship. Just because you keep a Parliament around for old times' sake doesn't make you a democracy.

OOC: Did I say I was a democracy? No! I just said just because I have a dictator doesnt make me oppressive. If the dictator is oppressive, the Parliament can kick him from power. My dictator is very benevolent, and is pro-human rights, thus the reason I said something, apparantly starting a "bitchfest". Also, Wagdog posted something on the last page ICly, just in case you didn't see it.

McPsychoville:

You do not have the right to send your troops into any region of Cazelia without the consent of the nation currently occupying the state or upon departure of BL's troops, the interim government, no matter how unorganized.

Perhaps we could reach an agreement through a form of an Accord Treaty.

Our troops have been sent into McPsychovillian-occupied Cazelia to uphold the law - that is their prime directive - whereas economic rejuvenation and political change are secondary to this, and a very distant secondary at that. If British Londinium does indeed withdraw, it will create anarchy and it will destabilise all of our peacekeeping efforts; hence, should this situation occur, we will occupy the area then vacated until such time that Cazelia is deemed to be acceptable to rejoin the international stage as a sovereign state. There IS no interim government that we can see, and even if there were, we are not prepared to recognise its authority yet.

Our troops have been sent into McPsychovillian-occupied Cazelia to uphold the law - that is their prime directive - whereas economic rejuvenation and political change are secondary to this, and a very distant secondary at that. If British Londinium does indeed withdraw, it will create anarchy and it will destabilise all of our peacekeeping efforts; hence, should this situation occur, we will occupy the area then vacated until such time that Cazelia is deemed to be acceptable to rejoin the international stage as a sovereign state. There IS no interim government that we can see, and even if there were, we are not prepared to recognise its authority yet.


Tread carefully McPsychoville.

The Republic of One World Alliance does not look favorably towards your imperialistic ambitions of conquest.

Tread carefully McPsychoville.

The Republic of One World Alliance does not look favorably towards your imperialistic ambitions of conquest.

And your point is? Do you think we are particularly riled by your declaration of hostility? We have no ambitions of conquest, merely to enforce the law - if this clashes with your idealistic world view, so be it.

ooc: I am not involved in this and probably also will not get involved. But I suggest everyone to stop that OOC arguing.
Some nations suspect war crimes? Good.
BL and Urcea do not allow to investigate? Up to them.
Now next possible steps:
a) forcing occupiers by to accept investigation, either by diplomatic pressure or by military threats(although who would start war over such thing?), or
b) Trying to investigate independently in secrecy.

Simple as that, no need to endlessly argue.

And your point is? Do you think we are particularly riled by your declaration of hostility? We have no ambitions of conquest, merely to enforce the law - if this clashes with your idealistic world view, so be it.


The Republic has issued no threat of arms to your people.



Yet.



I am simply cautioning you on what would be viewed as a very unpopular move by my government.

OOC: OWA butt out, you are a small newbie nation with no leverage in this debate. Upset the wrong people and I'm willing to bet someone will turn your nation into exactly what Cazelia is at the moment.

ooc: i'm a very large nation, thank you very much!


And I'm just having a spot of fun here, it's nothing personal or anything

ooc: i'm a very large nation, thank you very much!


And I'm just having a spot of fun here, it's nothing personal or anything


Your a june '07 nation. Pretty new

Your a june '07 nation. Pretty new


ooc: well yeah, i guess that's true

but my profile says i'm very large! : )

ooc: well yeah, i guess that's true

but my profile says i'm very large! : )

Don't believe that crap. Compared to your nation, your huge. Comparde to the world, your tiny.

SIC: To the British Londinium goverment.

Should the British Londinium make the decsion to pull out of Cazelia we wil gladly pay a large sum of money, perhaps and oilfield or two, to buy all or parts of there terrority if you do decide to indeed withdraw. We wish you well on your guture endeavours.

Don't believe that crap. Compared to your nation, your huge. Comparde to the world, your tiny.


ooc: well, okay so i guess i'm not as LARGE as some other people


but i can still post in forums and roleplay

OOC: Speaking as a former tiny nation (still tiny to many of you), I think you all should stop talking down to OWA. True, he is small by many standards, but everyone has to start somewhere. Just because a nation is smaller doesn't give you the privelage to push them around and tell them what or what not to do, that's just being a bully. At least OWA is trying to get experience here, better now than when he's at 2 billion and still saying, "1 n00k J00!" I got involved in my first RP when I was at 7 million, and it wasn't fun getting talked down to and I still do. So cut the crap and let the new guy have a bit of freedom, okay? So far, he hasn't detracted from the thread, he's stayed on topic and he's made several IC posts, all of which pertain to the subject and simply add to the thread. So what if he's tiny, just let him play the game, jeez.

Official Response from Atopian Provincial Government:

We fully support the actions of our fraternal allies in British Londinium. Indeed, we wish them the best of luck in dealing with terrorists and foreign mercenary thugs who oppose their selfless efforts to bring peace, reconciliation, and reconstruction to the war-torn nation of Cazelia.

With regards to the baseless accusations of the terrorists, our legal department had this to say about the statement (attached below):

During the Caz'e-Londinium wars, Londinian
soldiers and the Londinian goverment commited war crimes and atrocities that even outmatch that of the Atopian goverment.

Highly to extremely unlikely.

here is the full list of witnessed war crimes

Rape
Nerve gas
Mass murder
Cazelian ball incident
Enslavement of children
Torture
Severe beating of civilians
Deliberate murder of children

In order:
Rape is not a war crime, but an unfortunate and unstoppable side effect of war itself. Nerve gas is a military weapon which is widely used by many nations and police forces; collateral damage is of course unavoidable. Mass murder is an illogical claim, war itself is merely legalised killing. Our intelligence agencies advise that you "had it coming" with regards to the 'ball incident' whilst the so-called 'enslavement' of minors is, in fact, rehousing and resettlement with added physical work to ensure that they are kept occupied. Torture is a perfectly justifiable method of intelligence extraction, whilst the beating of civilians who attempt to assault or resist the peacekeeping operations of Londinian troops is perhaps unavoiadable, in any case it is not in itself a war crime. Finally, the 'deliberate' killing of children is unverifiable and most likely committed - if at all - by a few bad apples. We are confident that said bad apples will be correctly dealt with by the Londinian military authorities.

these war crimes will be brought upon the UN and will not go unpunished!

There is no UN.

TO: Parties Interested in the Accusations of War Crimes in the British Londonium and Cazelian Conflict

FROM: Commonwealth Intelligence, Special Investigations Branch

RE: Investigation of Possible War Crimes
______________________________________________________________

The Crystal Mountains is a member of the UN and we take seriously any accusations of war crimes. The Commonwealth is essentially neutral belonging to a single regional defensive organization. We have no territorial ambitions and are proud or our record as a good neighbor and honest broker.

As we consider British Londonium a friend and trading partner, when we heard accusations of war crimes, we were shocked and dismayed. Our agents have been quietly investigating this matter for some months. This is what we discovered:

We found no basis in fact or evidence to support the accusation of wide spread, systematic and government and/or militarily inspired war crimes.

What we did find was that after extensive combat some officers and men on both sides acted unprofessionally and against their own published National Codes of Military Conduct (NCMC). We are willing to forward to both combatants a list of officers and men [in private] that we found evidence perpetrated atrocities including: rape, mass murder and torture for trial and prosecution.

Furthermore: what we did find was that the mass majority of forces on both sides acquitted themselves honorably. The atrocities, while regrettable and repugnant to civilized people everywhere, were relatively few and showed no sign of premeditation or state sponsorship on either side.

It is the considered opinion of this inquiry that we should close the book on this conflict and move on.

War is a messy and ugly business at all times. Considering the modern weapons with which we fight it and their potential for mass devastation, any war may be classified as criminal. The only way that we know of to wage war without shedding innocent blood and permanently scarring the bodies and minds of citizens and soldiers is to NOT FIRE THE FIRST SHOT.

Diplomacy is always cheaper than war in so many ways.

OOC: Urcea or whatever his name is gets the ignore cannon for general lame RPing ability, followed up by the response to the inquiry for information that he gave, that is all. I've seen better stuff come from total newbs, sorry. I can't stand people who won't at least work out things. Cazelia, if I were you, I would totally ignore Urcea (whatever his name is spelled) as well-if they won't play on a respectable level, than ignore 'em. That's that-and this ain't no kettle calling the kettle black. Urcea (/whatever name), recommend you start actually cooperating in RPs that have to be cooperative in order to enjoy a successful RPing future.
BL, on the other hand, is doing a fine job.

OOC: Urcea or whatever his name is gets the ignore cannon for general lame RPing ability, followed up by the response to the inquiry for information that he gave, that is all. I've seen better stuff come from total newbs, sorry. I can't stand people who won't at least work out things. Cazelia, if I were you, I would totally ignore Urcea (whatever his name is spelled) as well-if they won't play on a respectable level, than ignore 'em. That's that-and this ain't no kettle calling the kettle black. Urcea (/whatever name), recommend you start actually cooperating in RPs that have to be cooperative in order to enjoy a successful RPing future. BL, on the other hand, is doing a fine job.

[I'm insecure. Where do I rank?]

[I'm insecure. Where do I rank?]

OOC: I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, I'm assuming it is. If not, than I'd say your clear right now-I only have issues with a guy who acts offensive OOC or who godmods repeatedly.

OOC: I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, I'm assuming it is. If not, than I'd say your clear right now-I only have issues with a guy who acts offensive OOC or who godmods repeatedly.

[I was actually being serious, but I meant in terms of writing quality. I may have gotten the wrong bit of the wooden thing.]