NationStates Jolt Archive

ICCD is looking for contractors for a number of goods and equipment.

Please place your public bid the cost to fulfill the following items being sought to be contracted for.

I-60 (6.0mm) Pistol (like the I-58 but for the standard Dian 6mm light arms round) prefer liquid metal construction material but all designs are open, essentially this is a bid for a small light inexpensive pistol. An initial order of 50 million of these pistols comes with the bid as well as 10 years to produce 5 million pistols / year for a total of 100 Million pistols. If you are unable to fill the whole order but would be willing to fill part of the order please indicate how much of the order you can fulfill

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Two shotguns
A.) 0.708661417 inches 13 guage?
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B.) 0.94488189 inches (like a KS-23 but a tiny bit bigger) maybe a 3.5 gauge?

These should be sturdy rifles, ideally constructed using liquid metal, but all material submissions are welcome. For the larger bore they should be able to have a milspec secure electronic component that can be used to plug in a control Dian Military PDA that need not be included, the more sophistocated the better but keep in mind cost budget is a part of this price.

A.) 500 000 / year
B.) 150 000 / year
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Combat pack - this is a bid for a backpack, that can range from daypack, to field pack, all designs are open but the best pack wins. Up to 4 million units / year
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ISAR-1 (this is a new secondary combat rifle and second generation, this is designed as an alternative foreign design to compete with the IAR. Dian rounds must be used 6mm 12mm 18mm or 24mm preference to the 12 mm or 18mm rounds but the small arms round or antimaterial round will also be considered if design is good. Preferably made using liquid metal but all design composites will be considered. These systems should be able to use IAR extensions such as electronics/scope/underbarel, muffle/muzzleflash supressors etc.. This weapons may range from light/submachine to larger. For you to know this weapon is being put as a lighter model that is more fitting for individuals that may not have the same muscle mass as career soilders, as the IAR is prooving too heavy for extended field operations, and the ammunition is prooving heavy. Having an alternate lighter system for extended operations even among those with lighter muscle mass.

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Cargo Ships - accepting new bids for natural power cargo ships. These systems should use natural energy such as wind, water solar or other as a means of cargo transport. Any size will be considered, modern onboard electronic system. Designs for both Brown and Blue water models are being accepted. Depending on the design orders may vary. The best design that fulfill the needs of the project will require domestic production rights to be sold, or for the designer to construct the ships under ESSI construction regulations for mass production in ICCD.

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Open Bid Contract - If you have a design or sale item you would like to pitch to the the Dian Tresury Board, Committee on External Exchange and Partnership feel open to also put that suggestion here.

Sincerely,

Jeff Sebat, Chair of the DTB, C.E.E.P.

P.S., If you have any question or uncertainties feel open to ask

ICCD is now also looking for ultralight manufaturers to a number of specifications. various designs will be considered to be phased in with or replace current ultralights used by Dian Security forces for a variety of usuages. It is important that these aircraft are able to be used as UAV's as well as transport atleat one fullsized adult. Other designs welcome


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ICCD is also looking for new single rider vehicles, wther these are bi-tri quad tracked wheeled vehicles is open, they should be able to transport single adult sized occupants atleast, and be able to traverse a variety of terrain.

These vehicles such as other ATV's should be composed of military grade technologies.

Note that liquid natural gas (methane) is the primary fuel source in ICCD

The vehicles should be able to add weapons modules and sensors, as well as Hitch to carts etc..


please note when refering to Liquid Methane we do not mean 'LMG' instead we speak of a process that infuses methane gas into a liquid agent, then seperates the agent and methane on combustion.

hybrid bicycles

ICCD is looking for a company to fullfill it's role for production of motorized bicycle. These bicycles should be milspec and be capable of generating electricity to the batteries when pedaled.

Looking for a very good design. These vehicles would be produced in bulk min 150 000 unit's/year.

should also include hitchable cart.

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ICCD is also looking for new single rider vehicles, wther these are bi-tri quad tracked wheeled vehicles is open, they should be able to transport single adult sized occupants atleast, and be able to traverse a variety of terrain.

These vehicles such as other ATV's should be composed of military grade technologies.

Note that liquid natural gas (methane) is the primary fuel source in ICCD

The vehicles should be able to add weapons modules and sensors, as well as Hitch to carts etc..


please note when refering to Liquid Methane we do not mean 'LMG' instead we speak of a process that infuses methane gas into a liquid agent, then seperates the agent and methane on combustion.
Phoenix Dynamix would like to propose the R-700 Series for your ATV needs.
PHX R-700 Series Combat Cycles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/combatcycles.png
The 700 series looks somewhat like Phoenix Dynamix motors' signature motorcycle but the similarities are only skin deep. The 702 features a revolutionary dual inline 3 engine, making it a true V-6 motorcycle. Both bikes have off-road capability ir and regular headlights, Lucite windscreen, and Kevlar armored fuel tank. They both can fit in the back of a pickup, in a helicopter or on a small boat. They are perfect for recon and scouting.
The R-702 combat bike features an all new suspension and 2 modified AT-7 rockets as well as a utility box for equipment and a gun rack for an assault rifle.
The R-703 is a three wheeled variant which is more stable off-road and with its articulating suspension, it can climb over large rocks that would flip the 702. The one drawback to the 703 is that it can not mount rockets
Prices
$15,000 R-702
$16,000 R-703 (3 wheel)
We can convert the engines for a small increase in price.

We would also like to bid on the I-60 contract. We offer the P-508
PHX P-508 Pistol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/508pistol.jpg
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix Division S
Calibers: .17 HMR, 4.6mm, 4.9mm, .22 LR, .221 Fireball, 5.7mm, 5.7x30mm, 6mm KAC,
7.65mm Luger, .32 ACP pending]
Action: delayed blowback
Capacity 8-21 rounds depending on caliber
The Phoenix Dynamix 508 pistol is a compact semi automatic pistol chambered in a variety of popular small caliber military and civilian rounds. Originally designed to replace the FN-FiveseveN and to provide a complement to personal defense weapons also chambered in small, high velocity rounds, it has become a popular stand alone weapon. The compact and lightweight P-508 is under 7 inches long but can still mount accessories like small tac lights or red laser dot sights. Loaded it only weighs about 1.5lbs (depending on caliber) This sleek pistol is perfect for aircrews, tankers, bodyguards or anyone who wants an easily concealable weapon with a high potential armor piercing capability.
Price
$30 billion for entire contract, including 2 magazines per pistol.

Your prices are too high, there is no way we are going to pay $280/pistol for a knock of a a $50 handgun. The pistols are being marketted to civilian government workers who completed their 1st year training as well as to supliment cadet training on a smaller caliber round than training rifles.

Phoenix Dynamix would like to propose the R-700 Series for your ATV needs.
PHX R-700 Series Combat Cycles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/combatcycles.png
The 700 series looks somewhat like Phoenix Dynamix motors' signature motorcycle but the similarities are only skin deep. The 702 features a revolutionary dual inline 3 engine, making it a true V-6 motorcycle. Both bikes have off-road capability ir and regular headlights, Lucite windscreen, and Kevlar armored fuel tank. They both can fit in the back of a pickup, in a helicopter or on a small boat. They are perfect for recon and scouting.
The R-702 combat bike features an all new suspension and 2 modified AT-7 rockets as well as a utility box for equipment and a gun rack for an assault rifle.
The R-703 is a three wheeled variant which is more stable off-road and with its articulating suspension, it can climb over large rocks that would flip the 702. The one drawback to the 703 is that it can not mount rockets
Prices
$15,000 R-702
$16,000 R-703 (3 wheel)
We can convert the engines for a small increase in price.


We will consider these bids but need to know two things.. do you offer liquidmethane/menthanol fueling, there are many other features we are looking for. Also we don't trust kevlar, as there are less costly more durable and armour resistant materials available currently. Also kevlar has issues with heat and degredation over time.

OOC: First, I did make a mistake with my offer for the pistol; It was too cheap since I only calculated for 50 million pistols. Second, I don't know where you are from but in real life $600 is a good price for a semi-automatic handgun, and including 2 magazines per pistol is something you won't find... unless you look at the deal Beretta gave the US Military when they bought the M9. The FN-FiveseveN, which this is actually not based on, retails for well over $900 so you are looking at a really great deal and don't even know it.

Semi-IC:
As for the Kevlar armored fuel tank your looking at late-generation Kevlar here and if its good enough to armor a 1 billion dollar guided missile destroyer its good enough to armor a fuel tank against small arms fire and shrapnel. Other materials do not have the same weight-protection-cost effectiveness balance as Kevlar.


And finally to quote myself: "We can convert the engines for a small increase in price." Meaning if you decide to purchase any we can convert them to use liquidmethane/menthanol fuel. Depending on the amount of information your nation gives us on the engines it will either be a small surcharge on each vehicle or a lump development sum which would be calculated as an up front cost when determinng the price of the total contract.

That many handgiuns would be more than probably all the handguns in the world today, the quantity is huge and material cost mostly negligable.

The markup on commercial product is also relatively high, with high cost of production due to limitation of arms production.

I think that the price does not represent the actual cost. 1lb of metal form press composed of 16 fitted parts DOES NOT cost $600 on a 100 million unit order.

Your Price is too high and your logistics are too high.

Well you are asking for what is an essentially new pistol in a foreign unproven caliber with liquid metal construction. That means we not only have to make a new design, but we need new factories, new tools, to train new workers to convert a significant portion of our firearm manufacturing industry to fill your order. And once your order is filled, we will have no use for all of the new stuff we just built. No foreign company in it's right mind would do that for under $600 a pistol.

Now he best thing for you to do is to buy domestic production rights from us - which are only $3,600,000 - and make them for your own forces. :)

Well the ammo type has been used in ICCD for years, and is fine for our small arms. Liquid metal is also a standard, once you gear the industry it is cheaper to use then current metals. We have supplies in ICCD, perhaps you could instead do the production in ICCD rather than domestically.

We would consider domestic production rights, but we are hoping that someone will be able to meet the requirements. It's understandable how you may not like to take the risk involved.

Buying the rights at this point would be throwing away 3 and a half million dollars.

OOC: I just wrote a response but it was moderated or something.........

Summary:

The ammo works fine we've been using it for a while now.

We'll wait for someone who can fill the order for a reasonable price.

As for the production rights, considered but highly unlikely - we have weapons designers in ICCD.

We could easily make a pistol to suit our needs domestically, but would like to start production of some arms in foreign countries.

It'd be throwing away 3 and a half million dollars at this point.

If you can get it down to $100 or less it would potentially be viable $600 NO WAY. THIS IS NOT A RETAIL MARKET IT IS WHOLESALE AND HUGE QUANTITY.

We withdraw our bid for the I-60 pistol and ask that turn your attention to the R-700 Series vehicles for your needs.
OOC: If you don't have a certain number of posts, you cant posts links or images without a moderator first reading your post. Its a known technical issue. Also, Phoenix Dynamix doesn't run sweat shops and, for the wholesale market, $300 would be the bare bones minimum for my company to make an advanced pistol like the 508.
"1lb of metal form press composed of 16 fitted parts " would be more like the cheap pistol we created for poor nations, the PHX 507
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/P507.png
That retails for 300$ and could be produced for around $90-120 wholesale
And even though it could probably be chambered in your round, its pretty crappy.

Hopefully you can design your own pistol and will find a third or second world country to manufacture your guns cheaply for you.

We withdraw our bid for the I-60 pistol and ask that turn your attention to the R-700 Series vehicles for your needs.
OOC: If you don't have a certain number of posts, you cant posts links or images without a moderator first reading your post. Its a known technical issue. Also, Phoenix Dynamix doesn't run sweat shops and, for the wholesale market, $300 would be the bare bones minimum for my company to make an advanced pistol like the 508.
"1lb of metal form press composed of 16 fitted parts " would be more like the cheap pistol we created for poor nations, the PHX 507
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/P507.png
That retails for 300$ and could be produced for around $90-120 wholesale
And even though it could probably be chambered in your round, its pretty crappy.

Hopefully you can design your own pistol and will find a third or second world country to manufacture your guns cheaply for you.
OOC:
I actually have combined over 1500 posts but the moderators switch my account - as they confused a request - or just broke it purposely.

But we'll consider the bids, we understand if you don't have the technology or infrastructure to support our request. We do appreciate the bid though.


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something along these lines: 6mm is like Choice .243
"The Peashooters
The .22 and .25 caliber guns are special cases. These are typically extremely small; for day-to-day casual carry in a pants pocket they have no equal, but they are strictly short-range, minimum-performance weapons, and require a lot of practice to shoot effectively. Their usefulness is principally as a threat. Nobody wants to get shot if it can be avoided, even with a .22. Both revolvers and autoloaders are made in .22 caliber, but the .25 is pretty much strictly an autoloading pistol caliber.

Of these two, the .22 is marginally preferable to the .25, mainly because cheap ammunition makes it possible to practice inexpensively. Practice is absolutely essential if you opt for one of these calibers. They are best carried when for some reason you absolutely can't use anything else, and then only if the expected threat level is minimal. It should be noted that two makers (Seecamp and Beretta) make pocket pistols in .32 Auto that are no larger than most .25's.



Bottom Line on the Peashooters
While a .22, a .25, or a .32-caliber gun is a very poor choice for keeping in your night-table or carrying in your car for long trips, such guns can be easily concealed in light clothing and reasonably good ones are inexpensive. These calibers are much better than bare hands or a nail file in warding off an assailant, but they aren't serious defense weapons, especially not for the novice. Either would be an exceptionally lousy choice for a house gun, where size and concealability are not issues. "

Ahh that clears things up. The P-508 is not that small and is not in the class you are talking about. It is a military /pilot's sidearm. While its under 7 inches long, its definitely over 5.
The 5.7x28mm round is not on the same scale as other .22 caliber rounds, even though the bullet's diameter may be the same.