NationStates Jolt Archive

Bomblean Defence Agency

Requirement 1a/01

It has come to our attention that current fixed missile defence systems in place have become obsolete and require replacement. Replacement of these sites was planned for October 2004, however several slight technical hitches arose and the "AAM-001" project was cancelled.

Therefore after no internal replacement project was authorised, the Bomblean Defence Agency are turning to outside help.

We require twenty-five fixed radar-guided anti-aircraft missile systems with missile ranges of 50 kilometres and service ceiling of 100,000 feet. We will assess each individual offer on merit and select the one which will suit Bomble's needs suitably. The contract is worth T10,000,000 (around $11,000,000).

Bomblean Defence Agency

ICCD can work with you on this. Although we are unsure if your budget will be sufficient we are willing to take on the project even at cost to ourselves.

We can supply what you are requesting but feel that your dependance on radar alone may be insufficient for modern threats and a multihomed electronic suite may be more useful.


(p.s. something like the Arrow can be supplied but there will be a few changes to the missle that will be inexpensive additions for for dian purposes such as special operations mode and different interface modes and failsafes, as well as warhead usages and firing points.
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/surface_missiles/arrow/Arrow.html )

Bomblean Defence Agency

Requirement 1a/01

The Bomblean Defence Agency would like to extend it's warmest greetings and congratulate your offer for being the first to respond.

We feel that our budget is sufficient for covering the costs of missile development. If need be, additional funds may be called upon - considering the stage in development. This is an absolute last resort if development is running serverely behind schedule. Do not expect these funds to be available at the beginning of the program.

The suggested modifications will be examined and if suitable, adapted to the system. A Long Range Acquisition Radar such as the Green Pine seems suitable at first however, similar systems in Bomble are currently in place and may require another separate development program to find a replacement. We're keeping our options open at this stage as it is so early in the development process.

We would ask you to do one thing. We require a list of customers you have served and with what systems, if possible. If you present this list, it will help your application acceptance.

This message is not of acceptance, but conformation of your offer.

Bomblean Defence Agency

Phoenix Dynamix would like to offer the SA-101 Extremely Long Ranged Surface/Land-to Air Missile.
They have an engagement diameter of 70 miles (369,600 feet) (112km). Since its introduction in 2004 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7311182&postcount=1) its max engagement altitude, although remaining classified after all these years, has been confirmed to be over 65,000 feet in combat conditions. At $80,000 per missile, they are quite affordable for the capability that they offer. Three different mobile launch platforms exist as do a variety of fixed installation layouts and they are also deployable aboard warships.

Bomblean Defence Agency

Requirement 1a/01

The Bomblean Defence Agency wishes to thank you on your offer. As we understand, the SA-101 Extremely Long Ranged Surface/Land-to Air Missile is an extremely capable piece of defence equipment. It is well being considered and is top runner at this moment of time.

We are also asking you to present a list of countries who have purchased the SA-101. It will be most helpful in the final decision. Also, we would like to know it's type of guidance system.

At $80,000 per missile, it is cheap. However, it does overshoot our requirements, having an engagement radius is twice ours suggested. If it would be possible to present a cheaper model with a lower radius, or joint-develop a missile that does this, it would be perfect.

This message is not of acceptance, but conformation of your offer.

Bomblean Defence Agency

IC/OOC Existing SAM systems in real life alsready engage targets out to 160km (PAC-3) Phoenix Dynamix is not going to participate it making a missile much less capable than a piece of real life equipment. Just make PAC-3s with a higher altitude capability.

OOC: I don't want PAC-3's. I want a NationStates-grown missile defence system. Your system is ok, but i want less range. Something equivalent or similar to the Arrow, with more altitude. It is a home-defence last-measure sort of thing. I am aware that missiles CAN go out to 160km, but some don't i.e. the Arrow.

I'm learning as I go along, I'm not too hot on missile defence - this thread is like a learning excercise. I want to build up my inventory so I can actually tell people what I've got!

We would ask you to do one thing. We require a list of customers you have served and with what systems, if possible.

Companies within ICCD have conducted a limited number of sales on various weapon systems. Confidentiality of our clients is something we strive to maintain.

WE are fully capable of developing a weapon system that will meet your needs and go beyond them. The budget is sadly lacking what expected real costs for development of a viable project would be in terms of personnel costs and otherwise.

ICCD has a very advanced Air Defence system, however 11 Million will not even begin to approach the cost it would take to provide air defence on the scale ICCD has in place. ICCD favours intercept aircraft over SAM systems as well as networks of space based and aerial drone systems. ICCD has an air sea space land sensor system that is intergrated into large portions of ICCD's military equipment and through MilNet includes ships at sea as well as surface and subsurface systems. RADAR, Thermal, accoustic, and other systems are employed in ICCD sensor system. ICCD currently has SAM systems, but these systems would cost more than 11 Million to install.

The production facilities and other background systems would have to establish the missle and systems we provide to you, which shipping contigencies alone may run 11 Million, would be based on a model we have already developed. It would not be identical to our current systems but would likely be modified from previous stock that we cycling out of active deployment.

11 Million is very little funds for developing a new independent weapons project.

If you have any design features you would specifically like included in the missle let us know.

Be aware ICCD primarily produces equipment for itself and only sells non current models except in joint developement projects which usually have mutual disallowance for export without mutal agreement on the export plan.

The arrow goes like 50-80 KM high. Thermospherish.. going any higher it would be likely be a rocket capable of launching orbital payloads.


If you are interested in the full gamut of ICCD systems we would be willing to evaluate you for Marchelund status

(paraphrasing any actual dialog)

After looking at your population we would be willing to give you full blown cesearate status.

OOC: If you have a missile capable of engaging targets up to 100,000 feet, you are going to have a long range simply as a side effect of the engines and fuel that you need to put into the missile to allow it to reach 100,000 feet. Probably a engagement range of 60km (2x100,000 ft)minimum.

Effective range may be based on a number of capabilities. For instance the arrow has its radius of engagment, it can't engage things effectively within 10km, but has a max speed of mach 9. It can attain relatively high altitudes (decent intercepts) but any twists and turns will limit the range for instance if it is tracking or changing targets requiring it to change trajectory.

Taking a speed of mach 9 into account it would travel 50km in under 20 seconds, this not taking into account conditions of the launch. The benifit of the system is that it can be made portable and is tube launchable. 'Allowing the system not to be an implaced sam bunker but instead be mounted and mobile a long with the attached sensor systems which can be intergrated on a module basis. If upgrading missles at a future date you can do so peice by peice, or if you'd like to upgrade the sensor suite at a later date you can just upgrade that, so the system is not wholely part interdependant.

We Suggest you contact us through private channels to discus any specifications of the systems we plan to provide, as well as any other security packages a long with the systems to increase their combat effectiveness, and the general security of cooperation.


OOC: FYI information is loose coming from the Logothe's Office (Foreign Affairs)