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The Republic of Greston is proud to present to you the Irondeck Class Battleship!

The Irondeck will not show to well in bombardment missions, but will prevail, if fired upon in open water, as well as close to land.The Irondeck is very heavily armed, with about 81 armaments.



Type: Dreadnought
Displacement: 45,000 tons
Length: 270 m
Beam: 32.9 m
Draft: 11.3 m
Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h)
Complement: 172 officers, 2637 enlisted
Sensors and processing systems:
-AN/SPY-1 radar
-AN/SPS-49 Air Search Radar
-AN/SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
-AN/SPQ-9 Surface Search / Gun Fire Control Radar
-AN/SPG-60 radar
-AN/SPG-55 missile guidance radar
-AN/BPS-16 submarine navigation radar
-AN/SPG-62 illuminator
Electronic warfare and decoys:
-AN/SLQ-32
-AN/SLQ-25 Nixie Decoy System
-8 × Mark 36 SRBOC Super Rapid Bloom Rocket Launchers
-AN/SPG-62 illuminator
Armament:
200x X VLS cells
340x BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles
3x QF 114 mm gun
6x 3"/50 cal. Irondeck
4x Otobreda 127mm/54 Compact
Armor:
Belt: 307 mm
Bulkheads: 287 mm
Barbettes: 295 to 439 mm
Turrets: 500 mm
Decks: 190 mm
Cost: 6,000,000,000 USD
Ships in service:
GNS Irondeck
GNS Delkor 9
GNS Mark 48
GNS California Dock 2
GNS Isidoel
GNS Easen
GNS Jast
GNS Justitina
HIMS Imperium
USS Davis Decomissioned
USS Lee Decomissioned
USS Hancock Decomissioned
IDS Tiger Fury
IDS Johnathan Hasley
MNS Haunter
MNS Nightmare
MNS Dream Eater

OOC: Your size and armament is comparable to that of an Iowa class, where exactly are you fitting a runway and a hanger for 30 aircraft?

EDIT- Okay I fixed it, if you feel the need to comment please do so, this is my first ship, and I don't know if it sucks or not.

It's a pretty good ship, but there is no need for so many 127mm/38 guns, they are essentially obsolete. Replace them with rolling airframe anti-aircraft missiles or any other type of anti-aircraft missile you can think of.

Or, better yet, stick more 127/54's on it. For one thing they are not as sensetive to the shock of firing the main guns as the rolling airframe missiles would be.

OOC:
You really don't want so many different types of secodnary guns, pic either 3" or 5" and stick with it with only 1 type of gun, there is no earhtly use for 2 different 5" guns, a 4.5" gun and a 3" gun

Or, better yet, stick more 127/54's on it. For one thing they are not as sensetive to the shock of firing the main guns as the rolling airframe missiles would be.

And also not as effective against aircraft. Like I said, he could use VLS, or armored box launchers... or whatever else, but as it stands there are no anti-aircraft missiles on the thing. No aa missile systems and no close-in weapons systems = big undefended target for any aircraft with a decent ranged anti-ship missile.

And also not as effective against aircraft. Like I said, he could use VLS, or armored box launchers... or whatever else, but as it stands there are no anti-aircraft missiles on the thing. No aa missile systems and no close-in weapons systems = big undefended target for any aircraft with a decent ranged anti-ship missile.
True, but there's a problem in that missiles don't really like to be around the shock of big guns going off (like those 16inchers)

Also, why on earth are you using bofors guns? Those things may have been good 50 years ago, but they are obsolete today. Use either Oto-Breda 40/70's, or just put s.a.m.'s in their place, which can do their job far better.

True, but there's a problem in that missiles don't really like to be around the shock of big guns going off (like those 16inchers)

Also, why on earth are you using bofors guns? Those things may have been good 50 years ago, but they are obsolete today. Use either Oto-Breda 40/70's, or just put s.a.m.'s in their place, which can do their job far better.

Guns are cheaper than missiles. So for poor nations, this may be a good choice.

OOC: How interested are you in carrying this ship in my storefront, for $3 billion and we give you $2 billion and we keep $1 billion?

Also, why on earth are you using bofors guns? Those things may have been good 50 years ago, but they are obsolete today. Use either Oto-Breda 40/70's, or just put s.a.m.'s in their place, which can do their job far better.
Well it doesn't mention exactly what 40mm bofors is used, they could well be mk3s which are are about as up to date as you get if lacking a little of the RoF of the latest Oto-Melera fast forty (well they are basically the same gun just the fast forty has a revised loading mechanism).

True, but there's a problem in that missiles don't really like to be around the shock of big guns going off (like those 16inchers)


Wait 5 seconds and fire the missiles while the big guns aren't shooting ;)


This vessel already has VLS systems for tomahawk cruise missiles so it stands to reason it can have SAM cells in place of the excess 5inch/38 caliber guns. Like I said, a pretty good ship but worthless without SAMs, or at least CIWS of some kind... preferably both.

What would be a better SAM system to put on it. And what types of CIWS's would go along well with it. And Leafanistan I accept your offer.

At least replace 4 of the 5 inch/38 caliber guns with 2 SM-2 single arm systems.
If you want more capability, do that plus add at least 16 VLS cells or a RAM launcher or two.

Single-arm SM-2 launchers have been proven to be more effective than CIWS in the same role, but CIWS are still good for a backup so you'll want something like 4 phalanx, goalkeeper or kashtan style CIWS turrets for backup. (if you use something like kashtan you won't need the single arm systems) Then again since you have so many 3 inch guns, the 114mm guns and the 40mm maybe you'll only want 2 CIWS.

I've updated it, how is it now?

Product Review
Reviewer: Rear Admiral "Big" Richard Johnson
Product: Irondeck Class Battleship, design Grestonian

"Well. I and one of my crews headed off to Greston the other day to test out their new battleship, as part of Rate It All's Product Review™ service, issuing reliable reviews for everything from soup to nuts since 1983 y'know. Anyhow, we was kind of suspicious from the start, 'cause the first indij products of a lot of nations tend not to work too well in our experience.... well, lemme just say, we was surprised in both directions, y'know?

"First off, the boat floats. This was a surprise.... some of them didn't, at least, not all too well. Its general systems, while not too remarkable by our standards, work at least realistically for their quality.... quarters are a mite cramped, but well, can't have everything now. It's a solid boat; lacking sonar, so vulnerable to subs, but hopefully whoever buys it 'll be smart enough to surround it with escorts.

"Couple problems we noticed though. First off, it's got way too many different weapons systems. Common rookie mistake is to slap on a lot of different kinds of weapon, a design made usually by those who haven't ever served aboard a ship; see, problem is we get so many different shapes and sizes of artillery shells down there in the magazine, that trying to load them all into the right place took ages; not to mention the cost of producing so many different kinds, and the maintenance..... no. My advice is, get a main gun and a secondary, and stick to 'em; put the secondaries in double turrets, maybe, and the main gun in triples. Ease up the logistics a fair bit, it would; and wouldn't be near on as expensive, yet more effective.

"Second, it's under-armed. Not enough surface to air missiles against the kind of missile spam people throw around these days; even with the missiles, Tomahawks are obsolete in this day'n'age of hypersonic seaskimmers. Replace it all with vertical launch cells, they're so much easier to deal with, and you can pack a lot more in -- battleships these days pack two or three hundred missiles, not 50. Five main guns is good, too, but it's got nothing on five main gun turrets, each with multiple guns.... the way it is it simply can't deliver the firepower your average ship-o'-the-line demands.

"Third, it's lacking on electronics. A few basic radars, and that's it. As I mentioned above, no sonar, no lidar or ladar, no infrared; if the radar gets jammed, that's it. We'll basically be sailing blind. It's also got no jamming system of its own, to take the enemy out before it can return the favor.

"Fourth, it incorporates some pretty useless concepts. Aircraft, for instance; the firepower of fifteen fighter planes is far exceeded by that of a few hundred surface-to-air missiles, yet the runways for the one occupy space that could be used for the other. Not to mention, planes are kind of pointless on a battleship; that's why we have carriers. And the number of planes this battleship could launch isn't even a full squadron [OOC: in Steelian doctrine a squadron is 24 planes], so... not really worth it?

"Ergo: It's vulnerable and generally outclassed in the sharkful seas of the modern navy. Solid base design, but we advise standardising weapons, increasing CIWS, increasing electronics, increasing missile count, and getting rid of those silly runways and hangars -- stick those on your carriers instead. You get that done, we'll come back to evaluate the product; but for now, though, it looks as though it could use some more work before you send them gallivanting about the seven seas.

"Overall rating: C+ for effort."

[OOC: I don't know if you are aware of the site or not but there is a forum dedicated towards design on NationStates. The site is the NS Draftroom (z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom), and its ran by myself and Questers [and how has a temporary new administrator - Mekugi]. You'll get very good reviews and criticisms there, and although it might seem like a lot you have to realize that everyone gets a lot of criticism on their designs and it's all meant in good spirits. If you're interested I implore you to check that place out.]

OOC:I always mean to go to it, but when ever I have an idea I go straight to making it. And Steel and Fire I fixed it up, how is it now?

OOC:I always mean to go to it, but when ever I have an idea I go straight to making it. And Steel and Fire I fixed it up, how is it now?

I dunno, ask the guy who wrote the review. <.< >.>

In all seriousness: Again, too many different kinds of missiles; stick to "X VLS cells" and you'll be fine. Also, main guns are too small (NS destroyers have larger weapons). And the sonar....?

Official Message to the Greston government.

We would like to buy one of your battleships.

We would like to purchase one. Would you mind if we totally refitted it and sent the plans back to you?

We accept both request, Brachiosaurus what do you plan on nameing it? And we do not mind Urcea, and what do you plan on naming it.

Greston Class Battleship, of course.

No it's naval name, such as the USS Iowa

His Imperial Majesty's Ship Imperium

I am interested in buying two of the Battleships. I need them as soon as possible. I would name mine the.... USS Davis

I can't add much more to what has already been stated. The first thing that struck me is that you have constantly refered to it as a battleship yet you have designated it in the specs as a dreadnought. Also it is extremly cheep, at 1 billion USD you've either miscalulated or the things are poorly constructed, i've always price my battleships in high single figure billions or low double figures. At least make it something like 5-6 Billion.

Also the RADAR, SPY 1 gets the job done but there are better ones out there- SPY 3 for example. If you insist on both then make the lesser radar suites back-up ones in the event of a failure in the primary. Displacement is a bit low when you consider primary gun weights as well as armour among other things.

I'm assuming this is a first design, if I assume right then you've done an excellent job on the first attempt but like Mac said, visit, regisiter and then repost this on The NS Draftroom Forums (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom) You'll get a lot more support there and you'll find designing so much easier when you can use references more readily available.

Accepted, Urcea your order will come in 8 NS (hour), Orders of the Americas your order is accepted, we will give you two already made, they won't be as good as a regular, but if you want them fast they have to be.

Okay so they are already in my possession? if it is convenient then I would like a third one but you don't have to get it two me as quickly

I can't add much more to what has already been stated. The first thing that struck me is that you have constantly refered to it as a battleship yet you have designated it in the specs as a dreadnought. Also it is extremly cheep, at 1 billion USD you've either miscalulated or the things are poorly constructed, i've always price my battleships in high single figure billions or low double figures. At least make it something like 5-6 Billion.

Also the RADAR, SPY 1 gets the job done but there are better ones out there- SPY 3 for example. If you insist on both then make the lesser radar suites back-up ones in the event of a failure in the primary. Displacement is a bit low when you consider primary gun weights as well as armour among other things.

I'm assuming this is a first design, if I assume right then you've done an excellent job on the first attempt but like Mac said, visit, regisiter and then repost this on The NS Draftroom Forums (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom) You'll get a lot more support there and you'll find designing so much easier when you can use references more readily available.

OOC: Thank you, I do not know what a good price would be so I put it at the firts number I thought. i have named it a battleship, but put it as a dreadnought in the specs, because technicly, they stopped making battleships after WWII, because now a battleship is considered a dreadnought. (But a battleship sounds cooler.)And i haven't registered for the draftroom yet, but I will. And thank you again.

I would like to negotiate a trade embargo with you, Greston, against Order of the Americas. He is at war with several nations of the international communities, and is irresponsible with nuclear weapons.

Okay so they are already in my possession? if it is convenient then I would like a third one but you don't have to get it two me as quickly

No it is not in your possesion yet, you will get it in a NS week (10 minutes) the third one will take 8 NS monthes (hour) what are you naming them?

I will Name them the USS Davis, The USS Lee, and The USS Hancock

I would like to negotiate a trade embargo with you, Greston, against Order of the Americas. He is at war with several nations of the international communities, and is irresponsible with nuclear weapons.

Bump towards Greston. I will make up the money and buy them myself.

The Holy Empire may wish to purchase several of these ships upon further modifications to their designs.

What id your reason, and what will you name it?

okay been about ten Minute, are they mine

To: Greston
From: Rudolf Scharping, Handwerkminister (M o Trade), Grosse Reich
Subject: URGENT! Embargo

Greston,

Please reconsider your decision to sell warships to The Order of America. They are threatening half the world with nuclear weapons.

Evidence will come later.

Rudolf Scharping,
Handwerkminister (M o Trade)
Grosse Reich

To: Greston
From: Rudolf Scharping, Handwerkminister (M o Trade), Grosse Reich
Subject: URGENT! Embargo

Okay, here's the evidence I promised you earlier. This is a printout of a communication The Order of America sent out earlier today:

My sub is equipped with a full load of Long Range Nuclear Weapons. I am not in the interest of starting a Nuclear Exchange but if the Corporate Alliance does not withdraw from my waters then I will be forced to Target Each of The attacking Nations Capitol cities.
OOC: Link here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12824292&postcount=13)

I hope you will enact a trade embargo towards this nation. Otherwise you will be accused for helping them, and that will not be fun for you.

Rudolf Scharping,
Handwerkminister (M o Trade)
Grosse Reich

I am not attacking half the world with Nukes, I am simply defending what is mine. All the Corporate Alliance has to do is withdraw from my territorial waters. That war was provoked by the Corporate alliance. Due to the fact that it has been well over ten Minutes. I will assume that I have possession of the Ships

To Late I have assumed Possession of the ships and are using them in warfare

To: the Grosse Reich
From: The President of The Irondeck Naval Corp.
Subject: RE URGENT! Embargo
We are sorry this knowledge was not known by us, we will take out his orders, and will ask the Parliment to consider war.
Thank you.
Harold Resutess


To: Orders of the Americas
From: The President of the Irondeck Naval Corp.
Subject: Trade Deal
You offer has been declined, and they are not in you possesions yet because we did not give you the telegram to tell you. You will not be getting them now because of you're case of possible nuclear war.

To: Orders of the Americas
From: The Parliment of the Republic of Greston
Subject: War
Because of the rising fuss of nuclear war, we of the Republic of Greston have decided to aid our allies of the Corporate Alliance, and have delcared war on you. We hope your as good on the battlefield as you are in holding your patience.
Good Bye

To: the Grosse Reich
From: The President of The Irondeck Naval Corp.
Subject: RE URGENT! Embargo
We are sorry this knowledge was not known by us, we will take out his orders, and will ask the Parliment to consider war.
Thank you.
Harold Resutess

To: The President of The Irondeck Naval Corp.
From: Rudolf Scharping, Handwerkminister (M o Trade), Grosse Reich

We thank you for your cooperation. We will consider your ships when we're going to upgrade our navy.

Rudolf Scharping,
Handwerkminister (M o Trade)

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ATTENTION: Greston
SENDER: Urcea

We thank you for your weapons embargo on Order of the Americas.

We accept both request, Brachiosaurus what do you plan on nameing it? And we do not mind Urcea, and what do you plan on naming it.

We do not know? What should we name it? We intend it as tool for studying human culture and to study human military traditions and technology.

We are curious as to why humans fight so many wars when they could use all those people to explore space instead.

I have made no move to begin a Nuclear war you will notice that I have stated that my Priority's in this conflict are the welfare of Gens Romae, and the Sovereignty of my Nation which has been broken, I have requested that Hostilities toward my allies and my nation cease if they do not I will be forced to explore Military Options with Further agression

You do not scare us. Our standing army is larger than the population of your entire country. Our nuclear weapons stockpile is larger than you could possibly imagine. Our tank brigades stretch to the horizon. You wanna go? Let's go.

I have made no move to begin a Nuclear war you will notice that I have stated that my Priority's in this conflict are the welfare of Gens Romae, and the Sovereignty of my Nation which has been broken, I have requested that Hostilities toward my allies and my nation cease if they do not I will be forced to explore Military Options with Further agression

Half of our nations military is larger then your entire nations populatian. If you are to even try to attack us, we will sink your nation. WE will colonize and get rid of your government, and troops, replacing them with Grestonians. Do I make my self clear?

Half of our nations military is larger then your entire nations populatian. If you are to even try to attack us, we will sink your nation. WE will colonize and get rid of your government, and troops, replacing them with Grestonians. Do I make my self clear?

OOC: Order of America was nuked completely, ignore him.

OOC: I just found that out a minute ago

we wish to purchase 2 'Irondeck' calss battleships

name- I.D.S Tiger Fury
name- I.D.S Jonathan Hasley


the 12 billion will be wired immediatly

God Greston. Why didn't you tell me that you were selling these?



We will buy 3 of your Irondeck Class Battleships

6,000,000,000 USD x 3= 18,000,000,000 USD

MNS Haunter

MNS Nightmare

MNS Dream Eater

we wish to purchase 2 'Irondeck' calss battleships

name- I.D.S Tiger Fury
name- I.D.S Jonathan Hasley


the 12 billion will be wired immediatly

Accepted, injoy your ships.

God Greston. Why didn't you tell me that you were selling these?


We will buy 3 of your Irondeck Class Battleships

6,000,000,000 USD x 3= 18,000,000,000 USD

MNS Haunter

MNS Nightmare

MNS Dream Eater

Accepted, I thought I told you about them. And to honor our trade agreement you get them for free. Thank you.