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Army:

3,500 Ariete Tanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete)
5,000 Dardo IFVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardo_IFV)
2,000 Bradley Linebacker IFVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2/M3_Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle#M6_Linebacker)
2,000 Kentaurus IFVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELBO_Kentaurus)
2,000 PzH 2000 Self Propelled Howitzers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PzH_2000)
250 Agusta Attack Helicopters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta_A129_Mangusta)

58,000 Infantry armed with the G36 Assault Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36)

The Roman Army is divided into 50 legions composed as follows:

70 Ariete Tanks
100 Dardo IFVs
40 Bradley IFVs
40 Kentaurus IFVs
40 PzH 2000 Self Propelled Howitzers
5 Agusta Attack Helicopters
1,160 Infantry (600 in the Dardo IFVs; 240 in the Bradley IFVs; 320 in the Kentaurus IFVs)

Navy:

300 EH101 Lift Helicopters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_EH101)
9000 Marines armed with the G36 Assault Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36).

The Navy is divided into 30 Paratrooper squadrons composed as follows:

10 EH101 Lift Helicopters
300 Marines

Airforce:

80 B-52 Bombers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofortress)
190 Panavia Tornado Fighters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado)
25 Agusta Attack Helicopters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta_A129_Mangusta)
45 EH101 Lift Helicopters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_EH101)

The Airforce is divided into 5 Bomber Squadrons and 3 Lift Squadrons:

The Bomber Squadrons are composed as follows:

10 B-52 Bombers
26 Panavia Tornado Fighters
2 Agusta Attack Helicopters

The Lift Squadrons are composed as follows:

10 B-52 Bombers
5 Agusta Attack Helicopters
15 EH101 Lift Helicopters

Coast Gaurd:

200 F-16 Fighters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-16_Fighting_Falcon)
500 FH-70 Howitzers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FH-70)
3300 M270 Rocket Launchers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_MLRS)
1000 M163 Anti-Aircraft Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M163_VADS)

7500 Infantry armed with the G36 Assault Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36)
7500 Infantry armed with the M40 Sniper Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_rifle)

The Coast Gaurd is divided into 20 Air Squadrons and 50 Legions

The Air Squadrons are each composed of 10 F-16 Fighters.

The Legions are composed as follows:

10 FH-70 Howitzers
66 M270 Rocket Launcher Systems
20 M163 Anti Aircraft Systems
150 Infantry armed with the M40
150 Infantry armed with the G36


Vehicle crews: 69,000
Air crews: 2760
Infantry: 83,500
All: 155,085

Number of Vehicles: 19,300
Aircraft: 1095

Soldiers in Army: 109,500
Soldiers in Navy: 10,200
Soldiers in Airforce: 2,460
Soldiers in the Coast Gaurd: 33,100
All: 155,085

Does anyone have any opinions?

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The Imperial Kingdom will send its defense minister Yustev Heinkle to view you're military assets as well as establish relations between our two nations.

Emperor Nadov III of Gataway


ooc: Welcome to the NS world, hope you enjoy it...you should read over some of the stickies and such to learn the basics of how people RP here..and other helpful information..

OOC: I'm already familiar with the basics of the RP (thus the reason my army amounts to 60,000 people...1/10 of 1/20 of the total citizenry at the time...12,000,000) here. I merely wanted the regulars of the forum to review the composition of the given army. I am willing to take any suggestions.

ooc: well thats good lol...I noticed you have no navy..so I assume you are landlocked...I think its well organized for a beginning army..I would probably tone down on the number of tanks and use that for a stronger air force..but my military doctrine uses air support and superiority maybe yours doesn't

ooc: well thats good lol...I noticed you have no navy..so I assume you are landlocked...I think its well organized for a beginning army..I would probably tone down on the number of tanks and use that for a stronger air force..but my military doctrine uses air support and superiority maybe yours doesn't

ooc: I thought about having a navy, but it seems like a waste of infantry for a nation my size. I also thought about the air force, but decided against it. That's the reason I have 1000 anti aircraft vehicles.

I think I'll add in special ops forces when my nation size increases, though.

ooc: eh well...true..i neglected my navy when I was new also..now I put more into it..since pretty much if I want to deploy anywhere I have to use ships and the NS world is huge...yes I have special ops too I wouldn't worry about that right now...since you have no navy though you're open to attack...but you can consider this an IC pledge of protection for your nation until you develop a navy of your own..since some people like to pick on new nations..

If the goverment of Gens Romae would be as kind as to fill this form, we would be able to tell us what we think.

Full Name of Nation:
Form of Goverment:
Standing on the following subjects:

War
Socialism
Capitalism
Prison Systems
Drugs
Pornography
Sex
Gay Marriage
Abortion
Religion
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Political Rights
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Democracy

I tried to give an answer, but I don't think it worked, WSP.

How's that?

I tried to give an answer, but I don't think it worked, WSP.

Nation: Gens Romae
Goverment: Italian Fascist

Standing on the following:

War - Ends to a means. Willing to join as an ally if it suits the Roman dictator
Socialism - Against.
Capitalism - OK in moderation
Prison Systems - We have them
Drugs - Don't have a stance
Pornography -Illegal
Sex - Only permissable in the context of marriage
Gay Marriage - Illegal
Abortion - Illegal; punishable by death
Religion - Gens Romae is semi theocratic. The Roman dictator obeys Mater Ecclesia
Human Rights - Every person has the right to live according to the decrees of the Roman dictator and Mater Ecclesia. Also, every person has the right to life, except in cases of murder.
Political Rights - Against
Civil Rights - Against
Democracy - Avid Platonist is the Roman dictator. According to Plato, Democracy is the worst form of lawful government.

OOC: Welcome to NS. Here's a few observations.

1. I would double the size of your battalions and half the number. Ten tanks and eleven APCs are not capable of carrying out the missions typically given a battalion. My battalions number 60 vehicles plus scouts, mortats, etc.

2. I would try to keep the number of units in my army as a multiple of three. As a rule it takes three units to keep deployed indefinitely. One deployed, one preparing to deploy, and one recovering from the previous deployment. Of course if your military is solely defensive this is a secondary concern.

3. The AAVP7 is a terrible choice for a main line APC. It's very thin skinned and much too lightly armed to stand up to NS caliber threats. All the added troops capacity will do is get more men killed when they get blown up. If you're sticking to only RL gear go for the Bradley, Warrior, or M113 (it's cheap, reliable, and you don't lose as many men when they go boom).

4. It makes no sense to divide your aircraft up in that manner. Maintenance and administrative requirements typically mean aircraft are grouped in squadrons or wings or identical aircraft. For example the ten Mirages should be one squadron, the 100 Superfortreses (terribly obsolete by the way) should be grouped into ten bomber squadrons and further divided into two or three bomber wings.

5. You have no obvious artillery or engineer capabilities. Many people on NS overlook these and would be decimated against a forve that employs them properly.

6. Get a navy as soon as possible, or prepare to be invaded.

Other than those concerns you look to have a promising start, I was expecting the typical "350,000 troops and 5,000 Abrams and 4,000 BMPs that many people try to field their first day.

If you're interested in a introductory war RP let me know, I have very small military for a nation of my size and I'm sure we could arrange a little skirmish.

I tried to give an answer, but I don't think it worked, WSP.

Copy & Paste the list, then write then answers next to it.

@ WSP: I tried doing that, but it said that it required a moderator to ok the answer.

@ Guy with suggestions: those are good suggestions. I'll make some changes, and then I'll post when I do.

If the goverment of Gens Romae would be as kind as to fill this form, we would be able to tell us what we think.

Full Name of Nation:
Form of Goverment:
Standing on the following subjects:

War
Socialism
Capitalism
Prison Systems
Drugs
Pornography
Sex
Gay Marriage
Abortion
Religion
Human Rights
Political Rights
Civil Rights
Democracy


OOC: Answer kindly and maybe he'll open a outlet in your nation ;)

The inability to post might be cause the word pornography is in there...? This is clearly some kind of modly magic trick, and so there's gotta be a suitably mod-ish reason for it.

EDIT: 900th POST!!!!

The inability to post might be cause the word pornography is in there...? This is clearly some kind of modly magic trick, and so there's gotta be a suitably mod-ish reason for it.

EDIT: 900th POST!!!!

OOC: No, every new player has to have a certain number of their posts reviewed by a mod... I remember those days.

OOC: No, every new player has to have a certain number of their posts reviewed by a mod... I remember those days.

Really? *shrug* Must be new. We didn't have that back when I was a young'un.

the restriction ends when you've become a member (post 10, I believe...).

as for critiques, I'd suggest adding some missiles for defense. People might think that they're purely offensive, but not having them is begging for an offensive strike without any retaliatory capabilities. I'm glad that you're not barging with an uberpwnzor army, and I do hope that you do make great success in NS.

edit - another suggestion that might be cliched, but make love not war. And don't join every single alliance that invites you because you'll end up defending some doctrine that you don't entirely believe and it'll be painful for you to silently quit the organization (unless you happen to be in some of the alliances that disbanded recently because of whatever...) I'm probably spilling too many beans, but that's that last of it. There's stickies at the top of II that people have made so make good use of it. And people here don't bite too hard, like frogs gnawing on your thumb.

And whatever you do, NEVER POST THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF OIL IN PLAIN SIGHT, EVEN IF YOU REALLY DO.

OOC: Welcome to NS.

I agree with all of Tolvan's suggestions. 360000 infantry is too much, maybe a third of that. Consider going into more detail on the infantry with other weapons and the like. The Superfortresses should be in museums but you probably don't need any strategic bombers at all. If you must have them go for 5 or 6 B-52s or Tupolevs. If you're where RL Italy is, you're on one of the busiest seas in the world, so you certainly need a navy. :p A couple of frigates and a few dozen missile boats will do. Oh, probably not so many attack helos.

Before I make any changes, I have a quick question: Aside from the crew, does anyone know how many paratroopers a Stormfortress would be able to hold? That's the primary reason I have them there.

Before I make any changes, I have a quick question: Aside from the crew, does anyone know how many paratroopers a Stormfortress would be able to hold? That's the primary reason I have them there.

It would require massive modifications to use a B-29 for a paradrops and you could proable buy a C-130 for less and it would still be mroe capable. If try using a B-29 for anything against any competent RPer and you will lose them all in a matter of seconds.

If you want to drop paratroopers field some C-17s which can carry over 100 or the go old school with the C-141 which can drop close to 150. Of course bear in mind these planes are expensive to build and operate and so you could only have at most 20 or so. Australia has a population of 30 million and they could only afford four C-17s.

Also to repeat Hamilay, if you're in the Med you MUST have a navy. In fact I would have fielded a navy first. I can happily sell you some affordable warships ICly if you like, I'm still too lavy to design a storefront. And the RP offer still stands if you're interested.

Alright. The suggestions have been helpful. I should have a new draft up within an hour.

Australia has a population of 30 million and they could only afford four C-17s.





actually we have an expected population of 20,434,176 (July 2007 est.)


..a full 9.5 million off, also we could afford more but we rely on our Army and Infantry above all

Ok! I have updated the army info. What do y'all think now? Does it look better?

I went ahead and got rid of the APC type I had earlier, as well as the AA unit I had, and went ahead and replaced it with the Bradley and a tank like APC.

Also, I went ahead and added a navy. Any opinions?

Your armed forces look ok but perhaps need a bit more thought in terms of organisation.

For the army your current "battalion" of:
40 Arietes
60 Dardo IFVs
60 Bradley M6 Line Backers
16 M270s
4 PzH 2000 Self Propelled Howitzers
10 Agustas
700 Infantry
resembles a short armoured brigade as opposed to a true battalion.

In western militaries a battalion generalls consits of a single type of unit i.e. a tank battalion consists of tanks, an armoured infantry bat of infantry riding in IFVs or APCs or a light infantry bat being all infantry who ride around in what ever is availble be it helicopters, trucks or jeeps.

it is these basic biulding blocks that are used to construct your main manouver formation: brigades and divsions.

Brigades are where you start to see a mix of unit types for instance a British armoured brigade consists of a tank battalion and 3 armoured infantry battalions plus a couple of smaller supporting units like a recon squadron (roughly company sized froce of light armoured vehilces), signals units and workshops.

Divsions are generally made up of 2 or more Brigades plus additional battalion sized support assets such as artillery and helicopters.
There is a middle ground between a divsion and a brigade that is soemtimes reffered to as a Brigade combat team, basically a brigade that has been directly assigned support assets that would normally belong to a divsion.

OK i know this getting a bit lectureish so bear with and i will offer you soem suggestions.

For a nation of your size i would max out your army size at a single divsion plus a brigade or perhaps 2-3 Brigade combat teams (BCT). For now i think i'll go with 3 brigade combat teams.

For these 3 formations i would make 2 armoured and 1 light infantry, the numbers i give below are based on british equipment levels so you cna vary the numbers a little

An Armoured BCT would consit of
1 Tank battalion: 57 Ariete MBTs
3 Armoured infantry battalions: 52 Dardos in each
1 Reconnaissance company: 16 Dardos or an alternative light armoured vehicle
1 Artillery battalion: 24 PzH 2000
1 MLRS battalion: 18 M270s
1 air defence battery/company: 16 Dardo AA (dardo's with a turret similar to the M6 linebacker, no point in adding an additional vehicle type)
1 Attack avation squadron: 8 A129 Mangustas
plus additonal things like workshops, signals and Military police units.
total infantry numbers involved there would be in the 1800-2100region out of a total personnel number of 5000-8000

A light BCT might look like:
3 light infantry battalions
1 light artillery battalion (18 light guns, generaly 105mm)
1 Armoured infnantry battalion: 52 Dardos
1 air defence battery/company: 16 Dardo AA (dardo's with a turret similar to the M6 linebacker, no point in adding an additional vehicle type) or alternatively light man portable SAMs perhaps mounted on the back of landrovers
1-2 Attack avation squadron: 8 A129 Mangustas
1-2 Utility Avation Sqaudron: 8 AB-212/214s, AW-139s, Merlins or NH-90s

All the above is absed on british formations so i'm not sure how italian formations would amtch that, it might be worth lookign to see if you cna get any info on italian formations.

For the navy i would say cut down seriosuly on the corvettes, you don't need more than 3-4 per frigate.
As for the airforce, ditch the Starfighters, RL italy has eurofighter Typhoon of which you could probably afford 40-60 of, if you go with 40 i would eprhaps suplment it with maybe 20 AMX's and another 20 Tornados.

All the above is of course ignorable if you so choose and sticks to RL equipment. You can get NS "tech" equivelents or each of the units you use which would give you more capability.

i hope this helps.

I'll consider all of that. It probably would be better to divide them by type rather than as it is now.

I decided to leave the batallions the way they were, simply because of the war doctrine I think I'm going to adopt.

I decided to go with a semi Blitzkrieg strategy. Basicaly, this is how it should work out:

Tanks push forward and destroy any immediate threads. Helicopters make sweeps over head, perhaps destroying some tanks in the process, and radio back coordinates of heavy fortifications back to the Howitzers and Missile Launchers, which them blast them to pieces. Then, the AFVs sweep in and mop up the remaining infantry.

What do y'all think?

I decided to leave the batallions the way they were, simply because of the war doctrine I think I'm going to adopt.

I decided to go with a semi Blitzkrieg strategy. Basicaly, this is how it should work out:

Tanks push forward and destroy any immediate threads. Helicopters make sweeps over head, perhaps destroying some tanks in the process, and radio back coordinates of heavy fortifications back to the Howitzers and Missile Launchers, which them blast them to pieces. Then, the AFVs sweep in and mop up the remaining infantry.

What do y'all think?

Thats all fine until all your helicopters get shot down by MANPADS and all your tanks get destroyed by RPG's with no cover fire...

I dunno. I think it's working out fairly well. You can see my actually using it here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530878)

actually we have an expected population of 20,434,176 (July 2007 est.)


..a full 9.5 million off, also we could afford more but we rely on our Army and Infantry above all

Sorry, brain fart.

I do like where the Australian Navy is going though with the new LHDs and destroyers.

Hm...It still isn't quite right. I think I'll change it around.

Ok! I think I finally have it down. I have it divided according to branch in the military, and into specific legion types. I think it looks good. What do y'all think?

The Greal Government would like to send some money.



OOC:By the way, welcome to Nation States.

Does anyone have any opinions? Also, I'm kinda interested in joining a Fascist alliance. Does anyone know of any alliances?

Hm...methinks I should join an alliance.

the New Prussian Empire..not exactly facist but very capitalistic and such..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525256


Like the new military...more detailed..kinda like mine...

Does anyone have any opinions?
OOC: I want to thank you, and the others in this thread (Crokfur, Tolvan, Gataway and others). All of you have been very inspiring for me when I made up my military. (Take a look in my factbook for details.)

Thanks!

Link to your factbook?

Link to your factbook?OOC: It's in my sig, but in case you've turned off sigs: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530809

No I have sigs on they just dont appear all the time for some reason...looks impressive

Get out of the Gataway-Greston war or I am gonna kill that "army" of yours...

Get out of the Gataway-Greston war or I am gonna kill that "army" of yours...

My army doesn't impress you? I know it's small, but for it's size...c'mon...:(

lol, it dosnt impress me either, you got a few good things, your going to get raped by maldorians lol

Not only Maldorians but his allies as well...

Myself included...

PS Your army is okay, just don't get so hyped up about it because nations like me or Maldorians can easily get people to throw rocks at you and still win...

Do y'all reckon that I should also keep track of stationary defenses in this thread?