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Many of you may remember the 100 billion dollar project to create a rotary artillery cannon, and its ultimate result, the M-204 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382983). Despite the amount of money poured into the project(to be honest all of the $100 billion was not used) technical limitations have relegated rotary artillery's role on today's battlefield to nothing more than a fancy novelty, propaganda tool or parade piece. Rotary artillery in fact has had no real combat value.... that is, until now.


Introducing the next generation of rotary artillery.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/prepairtwodye.jpg
A revolutionary new design will make rotary artillery effective on the battlefield once and for all. Coupled with the new rapid replenishment ammunition carrier vehicle, we have rotary artillery can become an effective a mobile artillery platform with a high sustainable rate of fire. The vehicle is not available yet and has not even been named, but it is going through field trials as we speak and will be offered for sale in a matter of days. Please continue to watch this thread for further developments.
- FM Maximus Seville II, CEO Phoenix Dynamix



Note: Please refrain from posting in this thread if you are a member of ACTO or The Sovereign League.

Oh yes, the international press is welcome to view a demonstration as soon as the trials are over.

Query:

Given the increasing ability of artillery units to counter-battery strike with ever greater accuracy, the prevalence of drone aicraft with ASMs on today's battlefield, and the useage of not only rocket-assisted shells but rockets and tactical nuclear weapons, what niche is the rotary artillery weapon supposed to fulfill?

Furthermore, are there not problems with jams, feeding errors, and issues regarding repair and field maintainence?

Logistical and resupply issues are increased, too - it seems the rate of fire of a rotary artillery piece will massively alter the ammunition stockpiles required for any deployment. Indeed, this also increases risks to supply chains and - given the weak armour of the feeder vehicles - poses unwarranted risks to whole batteries of these vehicles.

In sum, we at the Empire of the Wolf's Ministry of Defence are unsure of the feasability of rotary artillery and will not be purchasing any examples in the forseeable future barring exceptional reassurances with regards to the above issues.

Well an entire battery would consist of only 4 to 6 of these platforms, and it would be able to provide wide area fire support for a whole division. If you can't see the inherent advantage of being able to relocate an entire artillery battery in a matter of minutes, then this is obviously not for you.
The niche this is supposed to fill is contained within the following strategy
With the gigantic sizes of militaries in our world today(the NS world) We foresee decisive battles between large powers taking place in large open areas. With the sheer amount of firepower, even urban areas would quickly become flattened and basically open.
MLRS and conventional towed and mobile artillery cannons still have a place, but so does Rotary Artillery. One must remember that most self propelled artillery cannons have a rate of fire of barely 6 rounds per minute, and while MLRS have a hugely greater rate of fire, reloading takes excessively long, and can only be accomplished once or twice in midst of a battle. With the rotary artillery we plan to offer a repeatable high rate of fire artillery strike capability.

Although this does not allow for rotary artillery to be used in the same manner as other mobile artillery, if one was worried about counter battery fire (or wanted to use it the same way as mobile artillery) it could be dealt with thusly: The weapons platform will empty the contents of the ammunition carrier vehicle's first cell, the two vehicles will be separated at that time and they will begin moving to a new position. While the first ammo carrier re positions it's cells, the second ammo carrier vehicle hooks up and provides ammo for the platform, which can then return fire and take out the perceived location of enemy artillery with wide area suppression fire. The process can then be repeated 2 more times until all 4 original cells are empty.

We will be looking at mechanical problems during testing but we have learned from all of the problems from the M204 so they are expected to be minimal.

We are certain that the system will have buyers, but it doesn't seem to meet our requirements. Current tactical and strategical weapons systems are more than capable of meeting the demands of the combat of the future; and furthermore we remain unconvinced in the ability of this system to 'shoot and scoot' to the necessary degree required to avoid drones and RA counter-battery fire.

Well to each his own I always say.

Interesting idea, although some things don't look quite right in the picture (namely the overly complicated multiple row ammo boxes (have to somehow push them forward to continue feeding)

Takes 5 trucks [one artillery, 2 propellant, and 2 of shells] and loads them to feed from the tailgate to the side via conveyer.

Or...

Take said amount ov vehicles, keep current shell oreintation, and hve them tube feed into side mounted feed trays from whicgh the rapid fire guns draw ammo into the chamber, used brass is ejected to the sides.

We are now accepting donations to speed research. 10 billion max per nation, 40 billion total needed. Domestic production rights will be extended to those who offer a considerable amount of funding. (~6 billion or more)

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With war almost upon our nation, we feel that any advancements in stopping the enemy is one that should be taken advantage of.

As such, we are fully willing to provide $10 billion for research purposes.

We look forward to using such a weapon as this to stop the enemy in their tracks.

Is it possible to use this device in an AA type..it would prove useful for city defense AA systems and for beach shellings to repulse amphibious invasions

OOC: what program did you use to make it? it doesn't look like DOGA

Many of you may remember the 100 billion dollar project to create a rotary artillery cannon, and its ultimate result, the M-204 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382983). Despite the amount of money poured into the project(to be honest all of the $100 billion was not used) technical limitations have relegated rotary artillery's role on today's battlefield to nothing more than a fancy novelty, propaganda tool or parade piece. Rotary artillery in fact has had no real combat value.... that is, until now.


Introducing the next generation of rotary artillery.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/prepairtwodye.jpg
A revolutionary new design will make rotary artillery effective on the battlefield once and for all. Coupled with the new rapid replenishment ammunition carrier vehicle, we have rotary artillery can become an effective a mobile artillery platform with a high sustainable rate of fire. The vehicle is not available yet and has not even been named, but it is going through field trials as we speak and will be offered for sale in a matter of days. Please continue to watch this thread for further developments.
- FM Maximus Seville II, CEO Phoenix Dynamix



Note: Please refrain from posting in this thread if you are a member of ACTO or The Sovereign League.

South Lizasaurian officer: Can these things be latched onto ships or made stationary base defenses?

Is it possible to use this device in an AA type..it would prove useful for city defense AA systems and for beach shellings to repulse amphibious invasions

AA systems? That would be some extreme flak you'd have to work through.

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With war almost upon our nation, we feel that any advancements in stopping the enemy is one that should be taken advantage of.

As such, we are fully willing to provide $10 billion for research purposes.

We look forward to using such a weapon as this to stop the enemy in their tracks.
We graciously accept this donation and hope that the project can be completed in time to stop your enemy.

Is it possible to use this device in an AA type..it would prove useful for city defense AA systems and for beach shellings to repulse amphibious invasions
I would not recommend any course of action geared towards developing this system in to an anti-aircraft platform because it would be far more ineffective and much less accurate than existing surface-to air missiles and small or medium caliber anti-aircraft artillery. Furthermore, TPM military doctrine states that 112mm absolute maximum caliber for a dedicated anti-aircraft weapon.
Use on a ship for shore bombardment is an ideal application for this technology, though its bulk would limit its use to large cruisers or battleships.

OOC: what program did you use to make it? it doesn't look like DOGA
It is indeed pure DoGa, though it is one of my more advanced DoGa creations to date. :)

South Lizasaurian officer: Can these things be latched onto ships or made stationary base defenses?
Once they are completed I don't think there would be a problem installing them as stationary defenses. As for ships it might be possible as I stated on very large vessels.

While others are still hesistant, we are willing to give it a chance. A donation of 10 Billion is ready to be wired for reasearch into this invention.

-Lone Alliance Ministry of Commerce

Susan B. Talmage

OOC: I didn't know about DoGa until just now, nice program... Same setup as WorldCraft basicly.

Like our TLA Allies; We Are willing to invest in the further development of this machine to the sum of 10 Billion.

(sorry for crap post)

Well my idea would have been to use it as a static AA flak gun..and with a few of those in one city I could effectively make the sky full of shrapnel..which are immune to counter measures and jamming...also while using it for shore bombardment from a ship sounds interesting I was talking about using it to repluse an invasion force..because in an amphibious assault I dont have to worry so much about the enemy artillery attacking my own but if I'm laying 60 shells a minute on the beach the invading force will be ripped to shreds..

IC:

SLFR Chairman:The SLFR under the deal we made with you and under demands from South Lizasauria's to help supply and fund your project. We will donate some of our profits to you and also give you requested parts and resources from SLFR controlled industries to help speed up the project. Also I, the chairman, the minister of defense and the chancellor, along with the rest of the cabinet are interested in this project and hope it succeeds. We will donate more money and resources if the cost of these rotary artillery weapons is reduced 50%. Is it a deal?