NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Since the main war is going to be strictly closed and invite only, there are a lot of players that would like to participate but will be left out. I've decided to do like in Operation: Hellfire and allow outside supporters of either side to join in and battle each other.

While this won't really have any effect on the closed part of the war, this does allow players to still participate in the grand scheme of the war, which is already fairly large in scale. So, if you would like to fight for one particular side against the other and haven't been invited into the main war thread, you may sign up here for secondary fronts.

If you sign up for a particular side, you may choose who you would like to fight from the list of people who have signed up for the opposite side. I will try to keep up to date on who is fighting who, for reference.

Gholgoth / NATO side



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Questarian Commonwealth side

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As much as I would like to get involved in this pseudo WW6, ICly it would be the sanest choice not to .. could I some how say, sell arms or give support or join later on in the conflict? My nation is and will be observing this conflict very closely.

Since I wasn't invited for the big thread, I guess I'll sign up on Questers side here.

Since AMF is currently fighting Doomingland are they going to be involved on the secondary war? If they are there is going to be sign ups from both Operation ViZion Freedom and the Anti-Doomingland conference.
Doomingland and ViZion as of right now seem to be the to most logical places I know for the secondary wars.

Since AMF is currently fighting Doomingland are they going to be involved on the secondary war? If they are there is going to be sign ups from both Operation ViZion Freedom and the Anti-Doomingland conference.
Doomingland and ViZion as of right now seem to be the to most logical places I know for the secondary wars.

Doomingsland and ViZion are good places, but so are Sovereign League nations, NATO nations, and for some reason I want Nova Europa to be a big theater in the war.

Whatever though, I'm not going to sign up just yet. I'll wait until there is some support for the movement, which I'm sure there will be.

Since AMF is currently fighting Doomingland are they going to be involved on the secondary war?

Both my war with Doom and the main RP thread of this war are closed, so I will most likely not be participating in the secondary war.

and for some reason I want Nova Europa to be a big theater in the war.


Out of curiosity, any reason why?

Out of curiosity, any reason why?

I dunno, but I beleive it involves pie and some grudge I know nothing about.

Both my war with Doom and the main RP thread of this war are closed, so I will most likely not be participating in the secondary war.

Was not thinking of you participating directly, by the look of it the Generic Empire and the nations attending their conference might be going after Doomingland themselves on a different front. You would be involved but off camera

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OOC: We will help Questers, i'll ICly do it later I have to leave.

Hmm, can we NOT get doom involved in the war if we can help it? If i get involved in the NATO vs Questers thing it'll probably be on Questers side, despite the fact that some people fighting for NATO may invade Doom....

Complicated, all the more reason to make sure any invasion of Doom goes well quick :D.

Hopefully I can get Doom to get on my side <.<

I know he's doing something with GE anyway.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm only supporting Doom because he's fighting AMF. Even then I'm not supporting him with soldiers, just words.

Toss me in as a neutral with the capacity to be attacked since I'm trading rather heavily with belligerent nations, including weapons. Though who would attack me is kind of an open question, as I'm supplying a lot to Northford and Questers, but also to Cravan and Greater Prussia allies me to Allanea and Macabees iirc.

As long as you keep the weapons to me rolling, I'm not gonna attack :P

Same :P

Like has been said, as long as I get weapons your ships, no matter who they're carrying for, remain untouched. :P Hell, I might even help escort them for you if necessary.

Assuming I have a navy left.

EDIT- FUCK TIME WARP ARGH D:<

Does that mean you'll also leave off my freighters carrying the same weapons to your enemies? :P

of course :P

Lolz Ros, you're now a sort of switzerland except your banks are missiles.

OOC: Right. Even though I'm NATO, I probably won't be participating unless I'm asked to by AMF or Scandavian States.

However, if Rosdivan is attacked, since he's a Greater Prussian, I will be siding with Rosdivan against whomever attacked him, being as Derscon is now the keystone of Greater Prussia.

And yes, The Macabees is a Greater Prussian nation, Ros.

So, yeah, unless AMF needs me, I'm staying out as a neutral observer.

I'll make enormous profits by selling stuff (stuff that is not made in your countries anymore because of the war-time economy) to your citizens =p

I'll make enormous profits by selling stuff (stuff that is not made in your countries anymore because of the war-time economy) to your citizens =p

Aren't you supposed to be communist?

Profits? Some commie you turned out to be.

Waiting for some NATO guys to join...

Aren't you supposed to be communist?

Nope, New Socialism FTW!

Aren't you supposed to be communist?

Lmao

Edit: In agreement at the hilarity of the situation

I think I'd like to get involved, specifically as a supplier to the QC. Assuming, of course, that I've got anything they might want.

For now I'll be a neutral nation..I have to see how my allies go and the like...especially the NPE...for now however I will do as TWSP is doing and give non war materials to both sides..as an extreme capitalist I will no doubt provide a wider range of products than my socialist counterpart at much lower prices...:p

GE is indeed going to war with Doomingsland, and with quite a bit of support, myself, Allanea, Vetaka, Wagdog probably etc etc, its going to be a major ass wooping probably, although it will last a long time because doom being doom i can expect some crazy guerrilla/terrorist attacks, Iraq/afghanistan just with nutter catholics with better guns.

But other than that, anyone in GD on NATO's side want to invade me or get invaded, then let me know, or further afield, i wouldn't mind doing a (good) RP with someone. Lots of scope, take some flak away from QC what! For now i may as well say neutral, wait for it to get too close for comfort or something.

Put me up for NATO, for the time being.

Put me up for the QC side.

Just so any of you NATO guys know, I'm okay with my nation being one of the theaters of the war.

Put me up for NATO, for the time being.

/me high fives

Since I've traded embassies with Vontanas, I think it's best to join up on the QC side. Also, is there any actual QC sign-up thread, or is this it? I sent an application to NATO but based on what I've seen my chances of getting approved are slim to none.

Since I've traded embassies with Vontanas, I think it's best to join up on the QC side. Also, is there any actual QC sign-up thread, or is this it? I sent an application to NATO but based on what I've seen my chances of getting approved are slim to none.


This is it.

Also, don't be so quick to judge, we haven't voted on your application yet.

What led me to think that I probably wouldn't get in to NATO was the following quote by Scandinavian States: "I think it's a sure bet that no 2007 nations will be admitted." Seeing as my application is still up in the air, I'm hereby withdrawing my QC application. NATO looks stronger on paper then QC does, and I don't want the first military action of my nation to be signing surrender papers.

What led me to think that I probably wouldn't get in to NATO was the following quote by Scandinavian States: "I think it's a sure bet that no 2007 nations will be admitted." Seeing as my application is still up in the air, I'm hereby withdrawing my QC application. NATO looks stronger on paper then QC does, and I don't want the first military action of my nation to be signing surrender papers.


Well, you seem to know what you're doing, which is a MAJOR selling point.

Thank you, politics is probably one of my main interests and I've often said that I'd like a chance to run my own country, so when my friend told me about this site I naturally decided to check it out. I must say I've throughly enjoyed NationStates thus far and the forum just makes it 10x better. I might be a noob, but I'm a noob who has a clue as to how international politics works.

Sign me up for the QC side. As I am a relatively newer nation, I do not wish to have my nation be a battleground for this conflict, as I feel that the larger nations would simply roll over me. However, I would be willing to commit large numbers of troops to fight overseas...

Yeah, for anyone who chooses my side, you better have faith in me because if I lose you guys'll be fucked to say the least :P

Yeah, for anyone who chooses my side, you better have faith in me because if I lose you guys'll be fucked to say the least :P

Yeah, at least I'll have the rest of the NPE to back me up, plus Wagdog and Vetaka...

Well, I'm just saying if I'm totally eradicated than gholgoth/NATO practically has hegemony over the world.

Sign me up for the QC side. As I am a relatively newer nation, I do not wish to have my nation be a battleground for this conflict, as I feel that the larger nations would simply roll over me. However, I would be willing to commit large numbers of troops to fight overseas...

Hey, you can help fight in the defense of my country! Anyways, don't be worried about it. People are fair, and they'd be much more lenient to a small nation then someone like me. Unless you really tick them off (terrorism, assassination, etc.), they'll be okay unless they're genocidal imperialists.

If you want to invade me, send me a TG so we can coordinate it.

Well, I'm just saying if I'm totally eradicated than gholgoth/NATO practically has hegemony over the world.

At least until my plans come to fruitation... >.>

I would like to join i non the side of the QC

Well, I'm just saying if I'm totally eradicated than gholgoth/NATO practically has hegemony over the world.

Im not defenceless... against these guys, but against Gholgoth....
*Hides In Corner*

/me high fives

shutup cravemo >.>

I may or may not be able to assist Questers, but would you tack my name on the QC list and put (Perhaps) next to it? Thanks AMF.

I think I'd like to get involved, specifically as a supplier to the QC. Assuming, of course, that I've got anything they might want.

*Poke*

*Poke*


Being a supplier and an active combatant are two different things. Suppliers will not be added to the list, since they are not technically fighting.

Cool, I kinda figured that. Actually, I was trying to get Matt's attention, see what he has to say about me supplying him and the QC.

Sure. I mean, I'm too overstretched to escort your convoys, but if you want to, I'll buy as much from you as possible, assming your factories are willing to produce my neccessary goods. Right now, my financial capital outweighs my industrial production, so I'm looking for other ocuntries - right now, namely Juumanistra, Hamptonshire, and Mekugi to act as suppliers of military hardware, with which I can pay in hard cash, given most of my factories are already building things for the military.

Sure. I mean, I'm too overstretched to escort your convoys, but if you want to, I'll buy as much from you as possible, assming your factories are willing to produce my neccessary goods. Right now, my financial capital outweighs my industrial production, so I'm looking for other ocuntries - right now, namely Juumanistra, Hamptonshire, and Mekugi to act as suppliers of military hardware, with which I can pay in hard cash, given most of my factories are already building things for the military.

Yeah, that sounds pretty good. Obviously it would take some time to add new lines to the factories to manufacture your equipment, but it shouldn't be a big problem. And escorting the convoys isn't a problem either, my Navy needs something to do other than motoring around Chevrokian waters all the time.

Also, if you want, I've got some extra equipment you could get for very little cost, perhaps for free.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530957

All NPE mobilizations go here. So far just me and Shakal, but others might join in...

I'll be supporting Questers even though we haven't got along on soem issues. Remidn me though, whats this war about? I haven't been paying attention.

Well, I'm just saying if I'm totally eradicated than gholgoth/NATO practically has hegemony over the world.

Actually, they're screwed cause we'd then come after them.

I mean...

I'll be supporting Questers even though we haven't got along on soem issues. Remidn me though, whats this war about? I haven't been paying attention.


To sum it up as quickly as possible, Questers is attacking us because they think we're bad.

To sum it up as quickly as possible, Questers is attacking us because they think we're bad.

Well, ICly, you are bad. Can you deny it? :rolleyes:

Anyways, sign me up for the QC side. Summer's a good time for a nice, long, juicy war.

To sum it up as quickly as possible, Questers is attacking us because they think we're bad.

lolz. Accurate, but funny. Could you add my mobilization thread? (Actually the entire NPE if they feel like it) Nice work so far from me, eh?

You know, noting the size disparity between the QC and Gholgoth/NATO in the primary war thread, and also in the secondary war thread, it would even up the teams a bit if the two wars were merged. But I can certainly understand if it isn't. Also, if anyone doubts my rping quality, check out my mobilization thread (which is still waiting to be moved hopefully to the first post) at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530957

You know, you might as well just add me as a third side because I'm just that awesome.

You know, you might as well just add me as a third side because I'm just that awesome.

I think your in the Primary war thread...

What, you mean as an "armed neutral" like Sarzonia?

I think your in the Primary war thread...
Doesn't matter, I should still be my own side :)

Doesn't matter, I should still be my own side :)

Yeah, since your supposed to help Questers but Hotdogs2 who also wants to is going to be fighting you...

Well, hopefully all this noise between AMF and Doom will be done by the time we all jump on Doom, especially since the two of them have been fighting in my backyard while I wasn't looking. The coalition against Doom is composed of nations of several different political dispositions.

The only real connection between the two is that GE and I are members of Gholgoth. I suppose that makes this war part of the NATO/Gholgoth vs. QC coalition, even if Doom isn't technically QC and some of the coalition aren't in favor of NATO/Gholgoth.

Point being, I would just let everything unfold as it may in each individual theater, and after the dust has settled, we can figure out how everything relates to everything else.

I've talked to Doom on IRC about this, he's got to ask GE about the war that they had planned beforehand, and i don't want to interfere with that, however Freudotopia has a right to IMO, but we can wait and see. I won't be sending an invasion force until doom and GE have sorted what they want to do, because if i deploy its probably going to be all or nothing invasion wise :D.

EDIT- Plus if stevid will let me and we can find some fellow RPers i wouldn't mind getting involved against a NATO nation rather than doom for the time being in a more closed RP. (Not rulling out future combat with Doom, but the original plan was for myself to only be opening better trade ties!)

Maybe a list of unaligned but involved nations would be useful, rather than just neutral nations. Gives a sense those nations are slightly more involved to me.

You know, noting the size disparity between the QC and Gholgoth/NATO in the primary war thread, and also in the secondary war thread, it would even up the teams a bit if the two wars were merged. But I can certainly understand if it isn't. Also, if anyone doubts my rping quality, check out my mobilization thread (which is still waiting to be moved hopefully to the first post) at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530957

Nah this won't happen

I'll be around to formalise things in aobut 2 days

Sign me up as a NATO supporter.

BL, I'd think that this war would be during your occupation, which would mean someone on the QC side would probably attack you...

Sign me up as a NATO supporter.

BL, since your being occupied and you only have about 1/4-1/5 of your usual lan, does that mean you only have that much of your normal army too?

can i sign up as a neutral nation accepting refugees from both sides? it'd be interesting to have some skirmishes and sectarian violence go on in my nation, but im afraid that i cant handle much more than that, as i am not only a small nation, but also still under military restrictions.

I don't know why it would have to be during the occupation, but even with that, I have the same amount of land and people, so my military would be the same size. At this point, I feel that the occupation ought to be over - plenty of time for everybody - so I intend on RPing as if the occupation is over.

I don't know why it would have to be during the occupation, but even with that, I have the same amount of land and people, so my military would be the same size. At this point, I feel that the occupation ought to be over - plenty of time for everybody - so I intend on RPing as if the occupation is over.

Well, when you're occupied there is going to be some restrictions on your military. Also, I don't think your occupation would be over, as it's been less then a years time between the dissolving of the GASN, which couldn't be much more then a weeks time from your invasion. I'd ask your occupiers, it's their call ultimately.

Also, why are you supporting the people that put you through democide. Though, you don't have much reason to support the QC either. I'd go neutral if I were you.

I don't know why it would have to be during the occupation, but even with that, I have the same amount of land and people, so my military would be the same size. At this point, I feel that the occupation ought to be over - plenty of time for everybody - so I intend on RPing as if the occupation is over.

Occupations typically only end when the occupier says they do, not when the occupied says they do. Unless of course the occupied throws off the occupier, which has not happened in your case.

Ultimately, it is, in fact, my call. Apologies to anybody if I seem rude, but, if people want to RP my occupation the whole way out, then that's fine, but I ought to be able to use fluid time, which is what everyone keeps telling me to do when I complain. On a side note, they never explicitly mentioned military restrictions, thus, there are none. And, it's not so much that I support NATO, but that I hate the Sovereign League/Questarian-aligned countries ICly, with few exceptions.

EDIT: Kampfers - ICly, you are correct. My government cannot just say, "Well, shucks, occupiers, time to pack up." But OOCly, I am able to declare it over. Vontanas, for instance, has done this once before, and it's called free-form RP.

[QUOTE=British Londinium]And, it's not so much that I support NATO, but that I hate the Sovereign League/Questarian-aligned countries ICly, with few exceptions.[QUOTE]

I've never had anything against you :(

Ultimately, it is, in fact, my call. Apologies to anybody if I seem rude, but, if people want to RP my occupation the whole way out, then that's fine, but I ought to be able to use fluid time, which is what everyone keeps telling me to do when I complain. On a side note, they never explicitly mentioned military restrictions, thus, there are none. And, it's not so much that I support NATO, but that I hate the Sovereign League/Questarian-aligned countries ICly, with few exceptions.

I think the major problem is the fact that we don't know how the occupation will end. There was never a date set in which NATO forces would leave your country. For all you know several of us still have bases in British Londinium - because we never role-played leaving, and/or gave a date to leave.

Well, thats what you get when you run a foreign or internal policy that gets you invaded and conquered twice.

Wow. So much for a secondary war. It is all one sided. Hey, what happened to all of the Gholgoth/NATO supporters out there that were cast on the sidelines?! I would happily lend my support, however I lack a navy at the moment. Pah, one week..it's been almost a month Questers. Argh. Gholgoth and NATO, I hope you win. Just don't destroy all of his ships...I may want some of them.

uhmm... nato sure has a lot of friends::)

uhmm... nato sure has a lot of friends::)


Yes, NATO does have a lot of friends in Gholgoth. Check the main war OOC thread.

I'm going to request this be closed. Questers can bring in whoever he wants, so this thread no longer serves a purpose.

You know, I can't exactly get involved directly, but I do recall a volunteer Novikovian brigade that the Macabees has. Perhaps I could RP just with that brigade - maybe some special forces, a couple aircraft. This way, there can be at least something of a secondary war. Mac, TG me or respond here if that's possible - it's just about 1,500 men from your whole military, and this will allow some less well known players to get experince.

You know, I can't exactly get involved directly, but I do recall a volunteer Novikovian brigade that the Macabees has. Perhaps I could RP just with that brigade - maybe some special forces, a couple aircraft. This way, there can be at least something of a secondary war. Mac, TG me or respond here if that's possible - it's just about 1,500 men from your whole military, and this will allow some less well known players to get experince.

Mac's off on basic training now and wont be back for a good while yet, the best thing I can suggest is you ask one of the other NATO people if you want to post.

Well, I just started looking into the whole NATO mobilization, and it turns out that the UKO (Azazia) - of which I am a part - is leaning towards mobilizing on its own. Thus, I'm just going to throw an offer out there. If someone wants to get involved on the Questers side, it's not out of my bounds to deploy small units, submarines, and maybe a little surface fleet against them. Nothing big without Azazian approval, but if someone small-ish (100 -200 million pop.) wants an opponent, I'm game.

This will have to be cleared with the nations in question, but I'm willing to conduct a side-show RP involving small forces from both sides going after merchant shipping and generally attempting to disrupt trade and such. Weyr is neutral in this conflict, which means smaller supporters of either side can go after it without getting attacked by the actual combatants.

Weyr is in the same region as the Five Kingdoms [Melkor Unchained], which opens it up to all sorts of propaganda attacks from QC supporters. Weyr trades with anyone and anything that has something worthwhile to sell. In times of war this means selling food, medicine, and other war-related goods. Disrupting the flow of goods between AMF-supporting nations and neutral nations could have a significant impact in a protracted conflict. Obviously AMF-supporting nations not involved in the main conflict would have as big a stake in closing off trade between QC and other neutral nations. Trade can have a huge impact on the outcome of a protracted conflict, especially where the principles of total war are used to destroy the main combatants' economies.

As far as I can tell none of the nations currently on the sidelines have the resources to attack Weyr in any overt fashion. Attacks against merchant shipping would have to be done quietly, using submarines and merchant raiders. Sabotage is not out of the question. Criminal elements with ties to various national governments could perhaps pressure shipping firms to pay protection money or to cease sending their ships to particular ports. At the same time overt and secet diplomacy could be used to try and convince the Weyrean government or the Weyrean populace that one side or the other in the main conflict is actually behind attacks on merchant shipping.

Two quick warnings, however. My post rate can be very slow, and Weyr is semi-FT in the sense of having a gravfleet akin to that of the Five Kingdoms [Melkor Unchained], although besides being able to fly there are fundamental differences. I always make sure anything Weyr has is defeatable, so there shouldn't really be any complaints about invulnerable fleets of d00m and the like, especially considering my combat history.

I recall reading somewhere that AMF in particular and possibly Gholgoth in general only trade with other members of their region. Not too sure about other folk. As such, this whole concept will have to be cleared with the relevant nations first.

Although I'm willing to also handle a war between the currently listed QC supporters and Weyr, I can almost guarantee that the QC supporters will lose in the end, for a large number of reasons.

Anyways, if AMF and his allies are willing to accept commercial links, and if anyone's interested in doing this, I can make a post describing the concept in more detail and such.