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OOC Thread for the Kampf/Carlo War. It was needed.

Thank-you.

Carlo, your factbook states that you have 20 B-2 Spirit Bombers and yet in your post you state that you have 30. Where did the other 10 come from?

Fuck my bad. Was playing around with my airforce a week ago and coulden't decide if I could afford the amount of bombers I needed. meant to be 10.

Fuck my bad. Was playing around with my airforce a week ago and coulden't decide if I could afford the amount of bombers I needed. meant to be 10.

God damn I hate how slow Jolt is.

Carloginias sends army to Kampferian Border

((OOC- Happy now?))

No. If you're going to do it that way, I'm just gonna have to Retcon the whole thing.

No. If you're going to do it that way, I'm just gonna have to Retcon the whole thing.

Thats the blunt part of it. I'll do a bunch of BS if I fucking have to, but it makes no sense. I'll edit the thing and then I want a response from Kampfers.

This is some seriously fucking bullshit. I get invaded, then he builds up his army, then he invades again? It only allows him to fix all his tactical mistakes from before like sending his bombers out in the day. Bullshit.

Thats the blunt part of it. I'll do a bunch of BS if I fucking have to, but it makes no sense. I'll edit the thing and then I want a response from Kampfers.

It's not BS, it's proper RP Style.

Well, its best to learn from experiance. And anyway I'm not letting anything through the Bospourous so your best bet is to surrender anyway. And I placed your 'proper' rp style into IC thread.

*Turns off Family Guy*

I hope this isn't the track of all of the big wars in EFJ...all of them getting cancelled or retconned like every one in EV.

It won't, I am a persistant fuck.

SIC: Night time- Carloginias sends army to Kampferian Border in order to prepare for an invasion to rid Europe of a terrible despot. Carloginias has always been one to defend the freedom and liberties of the world at large. No one knows better then Carloginias the scale at which terror can be achieved by the Kampferian dictator. In Fiev hellish bombs bursted out and killed hundreds of innocents, crimes which must be atoned for. Eastern Europe cannot be allowed to fund terrorists to run around and massacre people on a grand scale. It is with this reason and with a heavy heart that the military has been mobilized in large numbers to prepare for an invasion of Kampfers.

((OOC- Happy now? EDIT: IF you want to be picky I'll post exactly what I am sending on here, but its the exact same as in the war thread.))

Im still not happy. Now you have rped the movements, but I had no chance to respond. I should have been able to move my troops to defensive locations, etc etc. The fact that this is coming afterwards doesnt help much either.

Im still not happy. Now you have rped the movements, but I had no chance to respond. I should have been able to move my troops to defensive locations, etc etc. The fact that this is coming afterwards doesnt help much either.

Then go to the war thread and do:

Ten Hours before Carloginian Attack....

The Kampferian Army began to set up defenses in South Bulgaria and launched a preemptive strike on the Carloginian Force with a barrage of 155mm Artillery, blah blah blah.

Im still not happy. Now you have rped the movements, but I had no chance to respond. I should have been able to move my troops to defensive locations, etc etc. The fact that this is coming afterwards doesnt help much either.

OOC- Its SIC tag, your nation dosen't posess any military satellites, or communication satts that I know of. Furthermore, I am massing within my OWN borders.

Yes it is.

What's going on, is this war going ahead?

OOC- Its SIC tag, your nation dosen't posess any military satellites, or communication satts that I know of. Furthermore, I am massing within my OWN borders.

Yes it is.

Actually, I do own sattellites. Who doesnt?

Actually, I do own sattellites. Who doesnt?

Drosk...lol

Actually, I do own sattellites. Who doesnt?

How do you own satellites your nation is on the rocks economically? In RL none of your nations have any sats. Russia has Military/Communications satts.

How do you own satellites your nation is on the rocks economically? In RL none of your nations have any sats. Russia has Military/Communications satts.

Dude your a real (flame! flame! flame!). Im pretty sure I can afford to pay america to launch me a satt or 2. Also, you gotta remember, I am a group of nations. In RL, the group of nations would have satts too. The only reasons they dont is A) They are seperated and dont have the funds. B) They are members of the EU and get all the intel tey need from the UK, France, and Germany.

Dude your a real (flame! flame! flame!). Im pretty sure I can afford to pay america to launch me a satt or 2. Also, you gotta remember, I am a group of nations. In RL, the group of nations would have satts too. The only reasons they dont is A) They are seperated and dont have the funds. B) They are members of the EU and get all the intel tey need from the UK, France, and Germany.

You also have to remember that you somehow have a 3,000,000 man army with Leopard 2 tanks and a Modern airforce. 3,000,000 is almost 5% of your population. There is no way you can afford that shit.

EDIT: Go ahead and pay America, but you have no reason to. It would be like "Heres a million dollars, show me my border areas for no reason. OH OMG PWNNZORS AN ARMY IS AT MY BORDER MOBILIZE MOBILIZE." At least that is my cartoon impression of it. Hell I don't even know what your army is equipped with, but its probably the best stuff around too. Unrealistic as that may be.

Actually, I do own sattellites. Who doesnt?


I don't... thank you Candistan I see that post... I'm poor I know ... laugh at my expense, but where do you think the last place the Zombies get will be? :p

You also have to remember that you somehow have a 3,000,000 man army with Leopard 2 tanks and a Modern airforce. 3,000,000 is almost 5% of your population. There is no way you can afford that shit.

EDIT: Go ahead and pay America, but you have no reason to. It would be like "Heres a million dollars, show me my border areas for no reason. OH OMG PWNNZORS AN ARMY IS AT MY BORDER MOBILIZE MOBILIZE." At least that is my cartoon impression of it. Hell I don't even know what your army is equipped with, but its probably the best stuff around too. Unrealistic as that may be.

Acually, this is a PMT world and I use all MT equipment besides my fighters. And that new plane I have that I'm gonna test on you. Handles horribly, but try to catch up!

Acually, this is a PMT world and I use all MT equipment besides my fighters. And that new plane I have that I'm gonna test on you. Handles horribly, but try to catch up!


What? Alright guess the sat debate is done, care to post?

What? Alright guess the sat debate is done, care to post?

it goes like mach 3 or something. I cant remember exactly. Its in the general IC thread.

I saw it, you have a link in your FB.

And I'll post soon, Im just busy right now in a lot of RPs.

I know, I've been watching lol.

I saw it, you have a link in your FB.

Not that plane, it was a new one. One that I have about 10 produced in all. But those 10 will come in mighty handy. The link in my FB is my main fighter.

Caliz, you have to rp Waldenburg letting you into the Baltic. And I haven't looked into your FB so mind telling me whats in your carrier group?

Here's what the one group conisist's of, with the other group matching, I'll RP the entry into Wanderjarian water's when I get time, I'm very busy right now..l

1st Carrier Battle Group
1 X Nimitz class supercarrier
2 X Iowa Class Battleship's
4 X Aegis missile cruiser's
4 X Oliver Hazard Perry Missle Cruiser's
9 X Los Angeles class submarine's
3 X Arleigh Burke Guided Missile Destroyers
3 X Ammo/Oiler/Supply ship's AOE.

Here's what the one group conisist's of, with the other group matching, I'll RP the entry into Wanderjarian water's when I get time, I'm very busy right now..l

1st Carrier Battle Group
1 X Nimitz class supercarrier
2 X Iowa Class Battleship's
4 X Aegis missile cruiser's
4 X Oliver Hazard Perry Missle Cruiser's
9 X Los Angeles class submarine's
3 X Arleigh Burke Guided Missile Destroyers
3 X Ammo/Oiler/Supply ship's AOE.

Waldenburg.... though the mistake is a common one.

Whoop's sorry Waldenburg, I had my ally Wanderjar on my mind, my 2nd Battlegroup is similar except for:

1st Carrier Battle Group
1 X George Washington class supercarrier
4 X Peter the Great Class Battleship's
4 X Aegis missile cruiser's
4 X Oliver Hazard Perry Missle Cruiser's
6 X CSC-S-1 "Alpine" class submarine's
3 X Arleigh Burke Guided Missile Destroyers
3 X Ammo/Oiler/Supply ship's AOE.

1 rl day is 1 ns week, and 1 week without oil will be disasterous.

You know Cali, If you sent your men to the medditeranean, it would be more productive...

He woulden't get there in time. He would have to reverse course, and he is probably already interfereing with Futuris/Waldenburg waters.

Remind me to send some money to you, Drosk.

He woulden't get there in time. He would have to reverse course, and he is probably already interfereing with Futuris/Waldenburg waters.

It would take a while to move all the way accross the atlantic, so if he did reroute, it wouldnt be disastrous. He is still near the US somewhere in all technicalities.

I've been able to turn them into the Mediterranean Kampf, and Carlos, I have oiler ship's for the group.s, i have 5 each for the group's, so I have 10 total

We don't want your war here.... haha jk nothing I can do about it anyways

Strategic Reserves and Romania actually produces a fair share of oil.

Yeah, most of my nations produce oil. And I have the reserves. Plus I can shut down the civvie oil pumps and reassign the oil to my army.

If that oil goes sole to his military, then his people and economy are going to be fucked. If he tries to drag this on for too long then there might be a civilian coup.

Remind me to send some money to you, Drosk.

Money for.....?

1 rl day is 1 ns week, and 1 week without oil will be disasterous.

Strategic Reserves and Romania actually produces a fair share of oil.

If that oil goes sole to his military, then his people and economy are going to be fucked. If he tries to drag this on for too long then there might be a civilian coup.

But the battle is fluid time, so the timeframe goes out the window.

Also, I can just draw a lot of people in against you and win the war. Didn't think about that did you?

I wont be very active on EFJ next week, as my best friend is visiting from out of town. Most of my time on NS (if any) will be given to my real nation.

And does anyone know when AB comes back?

Why does NS always put my post behind yours? anyway just CIAed Romania and they have depleting reserves and the produce less then they consume-

His lands produce

Romania- 119k
Bulgaria- 3k
Moldova- 0
Czech Republic- 15k
Macedonia- 0
Hungary- 47k
Slovakia- 11k

Total- 195k barrels

Consumption Total- Romania uses more then all of them put together. Didn't look up consumption aside from Romania which consumes 212,000 barrels.

Does he even have Slovakia?

But the battle is fluid time, so the timeframe goes out the window.

Also, I can just draw a lot of people in against you and win the war. Didn't think about that did you?

I wont be very active on EFJ next week, as my best friend is visiting from out of town. Most of my time on NS (if any) will be given to my real nation.

And does anyone know when AB comes back?


Beat you to it, actually.

TGing like hell yesterday.

Beat you to it, actually.

Besides Shakal, who? The baltic states? meh.

Waldenburg is with me, Animinria is supporting me but not fighting along side me, Honako is undecided, but i have the upper hand, Courbourrnne idk. AB will be with me when he returns. Oh yeah, and Cali is with me. Good ol USA.

Beat you to it, actually.

How.

You'll be gone by the time AB gets back if you actually post.

You'll be gone by the time AB gets back if you actually post.

hmm, that might be a good strategy... lol

and who are the ppl allied to you besides Shakal and the Baltic States?

hmm, that might be a good strategy... lol

and who are the ppl allied to you besides Shakal and the Baltic States?

You'll find out soon enough.

WHy do you say that Granate? Hes nearly oil-less. And I woulden't want to face the diplomatic repurcussions from firing a nuke.

You'll be gone by the time AB gets back if you actually post.

Not unless you drop a nuke he won't.

Carlo, you forget that even if I do lose the war, I will RP a resistance. You will have to kill every fucking person in my nation for me to leave. Until then, I can have underground groups. It will be your own Veitnam. You may win the land, but it will be so costly you may pull out eventually. Plus, RPing a resistance is my favorite part of NS, and frankly its what I do best. I dont have a ton of military knowledge, but I know enough urban warfare tactics that I can own a bunch of soldiers with a few civvies.

True enough. I will learn some urban tactics then as well. I rarely give up an oppurtunity to learn.

The Soviet Union already had it's own Vietnam. It was called Afghanistan, where a country of Nomads literally whooped the Military Giant that was the Soviet Union in the 80s.

Anyway I can get some sort of post by today or tommorrow?

Anyway I can get some sort of post by today or tommorrow?

Yep. About urban warfare-

They say video games can't teach you anything.

Yep. About urban warfare-

They say video games can't teach you anything.

I was looking for something along the lines of your nation doing something.. not urban warefare yet.

I was looking for something along the lines of your nation doing something.. not urban warefare yet.

I know. I was reffering to when you said something a few posts up about learning.

I know. I was reffering to when you said something a few posts up about learning.

Ah okay. Ah. Okay..

Here are the latest sattellite photos, showing their movement.

How many times must I say that your nation is too poor to support sattellites, a 3 million man army, MT airforce + some wildly expensive fighters, and Leopard II Tanks. Your nation is comprised of most of Europe's poorest countries.

my fucking computer refreshed the browser when I was almost done with my second post and I lost it all... Now I have to do the whole thing again, srry...

Also, please delete all strictly OOC comments from the IC thread like I did.

I HATE when that happens, and I deleted the OOC posts in thread.

OK, now I am really fucking pissed. I wanted to see how many crew one of my tanks had, so I searched it on my google toolbar without opening another window first. Another fucking post gone!

OK, now I am really fucking pissed. I wanted to see how many crew one of my tanks had, so I searched it on my google toolbar without opening another window first. Another fucking post gone!

Microsoft Word is your friend.

Microsoft Word is your friend.

i geuss so... Im leaving in 10 minutes and might not get this fucking post up now... Sorry if I dont...

..

Just copy/paste your paragraph(s) as you go along.

Kamp, why do have such a great military? What nations are you again, and how much do you spend on the defence, 80% of your budget or something. :p

Kamp, why do have such a great military? What nations are you again, and how much do you spend on the defence, 80% of your budget or something. :p

lol, no... I am those shitholeish nations of eastern europe. I maintain a good military to defend myself against people like Carloginias. Also, Yes, I said I have 3 million soldiers, but that is a total including reserves. I pretty much sent my whole good army to the fronts. All my army really has left is a couple tanks and reserves... I am banking on stopping him in these countries. At least I got rid of his bombers :)

You fucking dick Waldenburg! I don't care if I get a forum ban for this, I just paid you 10 fucking bllion dollars to help me and you fucking help them? What happened to when you said you would side with me in the original fight against Shakal? When did our nations relations fucking deteriorate? That is a bitch move, and you know it.

I must say I'm not very proud of it but I only said things like.

EXP.

"Waldenburg offers military assistance. For ten billion we will join the war and bring about a quick end. You have only our word and the fact that if you don't invest the money now, as we need the money to actively fight a war, then there won't be a Kampfers after the war. We offer only once take it or stand alone."

That dosen't actually say I will help you, it diffinately implies it, never says we will attack Carlo. Anyway we've never really had relations, i would have supported you beacause it would have suited me best in that situation. ten billion is not enough to be killed for.

In Response to Carlo:

How?

That's one hundred missiles being fired some of them are being fired at about one mile. I admit a few will be shot down, but not including your supply ships and submarines we have 28 valid targets. That would be 3.5 Missiles each if were to be mathey. Notto mention shore guns and planes strikes. And how did you manage to shoot down all my missiles and launch planes and begin bombing runs in such a sort time? Most of your ships don't have 3 CWIS that means at least fifteen sceonds to lock on and even then it's a dance with fate if you had enough.

The Oresund strait is heavily defended and your fleet groups are stuck between it. I ask that you edit your post to be more realistic, I see no way in which you are capable of launching planes in that amount of time or possibly even in the general area without htem being badly mauled by the Oresund defense force. If it is not edited to a suitable level of realism I will request moderation in this battle.

Yes, I see you rped mobilization, but not them moving to my border... That was my complaint. Like I said, I will allow this, but Shakal will also be there quickly. So she will be a little late, but you should not have gotten very far when she arrives.

i'm editing the air attack now Kapfers. I'm in a different Rp offsite and we sort of manage it like that, I perfer it but no not right.

i'm editing the air attack now Kapfers. I'm in a different Rp offsite and we sort of manage it like that, I perfer it but no not right.

Cool. I like to be able to control my people, especially when my fighers have a distinct advantage like my prototype fighters.

Cool. I like to be able to control my people, especially when my fighers have a distinct advantage like my prototype fighters.

Check EFJ's IC Thread, I gotta present for ya.

Check EFJ's IC Thread, I gotta present for ya.

I saw. Thank ya. How many should I expect to be operational? Also, should I RP any wrinkles in the project? Or should it all go smoothly?

I saw. Thank ya. How many should I expect to be operational? Also, should I RP any wrinkles in the project? Or should it all go smoothly?

Two Companies worth, it's supposed to connect the entire Granatian Military, so it has to be a big test. Go ahead and do wrinkles, most of them have been worked out but there's always a chance for more.

Two Companies worth, it's supposed to connect the entire Granatian Military, so it has to be a big test. Go ahead and do wrinkles, most of them have been worked out but there's always a chance for more.

1 last question. Air force too, or only Army?

1 last question. Air force too, or only Army?

Right now only army, but it'll be used to connect the entire Military together.

Waldenburg, when did you RP the placement of those ships in the Gulf of Aden? You'd also need a very large facility to dock those ships, something that would take months if not years to build. The invasion of Kampfers is coming only roughly 6 - 8 months after the Dijibouti Crisis, so I doubt that'd there'd be a port large enough for all of those ships. Especially those carriers.

My fleet, in the region, can dock at nearly any port large enough for Yachts. Also, most of my ships have large amounts of VLS which has been fitted with Harpoon Anti-Ship Missles or Tomahawk Cruise Missles, although those take up alot more room.

Drosk allowed me to build a naval base in the area at the beggining of the whole Djibouti affair ( My factbook first, non me post.) As Drosk is my protectorate I have a place to keep my ships in the interim, until it is completed. As for port size it is not neccesary to dock the carriers (Though they have quite a number of facilities for oil tankers {In Yemen mostly} so I assume they can fit my fleet in.) Considering not a shot was fired, there are only a few things we need to resupply (Food, oil) and have no need of brining down ammuniton yet although that could cause problems later.

Carlo, my destroyers and my frigates are designed with Stealh in mind. That being said, radar will see them as a school of dolphins or porpoises. It also makes them harder to detect by Submarines.

I am just going to say this now. Sea Sparrows operate from each of my vessels in the region. Each and everyone carries atleast one. Each Sea Sparrow is also designed for anti-submarine warfare.

Carlo, 1st off you are using big bombers. They cant dodge shit. 2nd, I use Patriot PAC-2's. The PAC-2 was used extensively in Operation Iraqi Freedom, with a perfect success rate. The PAC 2 was also given a new "low noise" seeker head designed to reduce interference in front of the missiles radar seeker, and a higher performance seeker designed to better detect low radar cross section targets, such as stealth aircraft. Finally, once in the vicinity of the target, the patriot detonates its proximity fused warhead. This means even if I don't get a direct hit, your plane is still going down.

That means what you just did is called godmoding.

Carlo, my destroyers and my frigates are designed with Stealh in mind. That being said, radar will see them as a school of dolphins or porpoises. It also makes them harder to detect by Submarines.

I am just going to say this now. Sea Sparrows operate from each of my vessels in the region. Each and everyone carries atleast one. Each Sea Sparrow is also designed for anti-submarine warfare.


Any official name for the Sea Sparrow? So I can wiki it?

Any official name for the Sea Sparrow? So I can wiki it?

I designed it myself, so no amount of Wikying it will give you any information.

Carlo, 1st off you are using big bombers. They cant dodge shit. 2nd, I use Patriot PAC-2's. The PAC-2 was used extensively in Operation Iraqi Freedom, with a perfect success rate. The PAC 2 was also given a new "low noise" seeker head designed to reduce interference in front of the missiles radar seeker, and a higher performance seeker designed to better detect low radar cross section targets, such as stealth aircraft. Finally, once in the vicinity of the target, the patriot detonates its proximity fused warhead. This means even if I don't get a direct hit, your plane is still going down.

That means what you just did is called godmoding.


No where in your post did you say you used Patriot PAC-2s, what you did was called G-modding. GWB, claimed a 97% sucess rate when several American and Israeli tech professors went before Congress and said there was a 0-10% sucess rate. So I took the maxium, 10%, and took off the # of bombers accorded. While you did fire 15 and then 20 respectively I'll take off 2 more bombers, otherwise I'm not editing.

The Neo-Prussian Dictatorship of Kampfers
Received: 19 hours ago I used cities from normal maps, you can look them up.

Also, the sams I'm using are MIM-104 Patriots.

Anyone see PAC-2?

I designed it myself, so no amount of Wikying it will give you any information.


You have it in your FBook?

fine, then i'm ignoring all the damage you say your bombers do.

fine, then i'm ignoring all the damage you say your bombers do.


Because of what two proffessors said? I edited it to four bombers lost, but you never said you were using the PAC-2 system and providing that you were, the ECM or whatever woulden't of mattered too much anyway as PAC-2's have some sort of programming to detect that.

Because of what two proffessors said? I edited it to four bombers lost, but you never said you were using the PAC-2 system and providing that you were, the ECM or whatever woulden't of mattered too much anyway as PAC-2's have some sort of programming to detect that.

:sarcasm: Ahhh, 4 is a very realistic number :/sarcasm:

There's way too much verbal fighting in this war. Should this continue I may be forced to ret-con the whole thing.

Also, Futuris, Granatian Military Doctrine Strictly prohibits the use of Nuclear/Biological/Chemical Weapons as a First Strike Weapon, but should Granate itself be threatened by an outside source and it's internal security is risked, the Legislative Branch and Executive branch will not hesitate to drop Nukes or Missles laden with Chemicals or Biological Agent.

So basically, if you're fleet comes within so and so many miles, think 100 or so, of my Coast-line, well let's say there's going to be a large flash followed by a loud boom. Yes, right now we are on Shoot First, Ask Questions Later mode.

Should this war end up being Ret-Conned, I personally will not allow another war between Carlo and Kamp for two or so weeks. You have been forewarned.

Wow, nukes? Why nukes. That is just the most unfair thing to do. You didn't see anybody else use nukes when they got invaded, so why must you? That just ruins it for people when you say "Oh, yeah? Try to hit me. I'll nuke your fleet of the face of the earth, then what?" It's not fair, and I'm pretty sure this earth is no different from the other ones where we had the unspoken "no nukes" aggreement.

Wow, nukes? Why nukes. That is just the most unfair thing to do. You didn't see anybody else use nukes when they got invaded, so why must you? That just ruins it for people when you say "Oh, yeah? Try to hit me. I'll nuke your fleet of the face of the earth, then what?" It's not fair, and I'm pretty sure this earth is no different from the other ones where we had the unspoken "no nukes" aggreement.

I think its unneccasry to have a no nukes aggrement, no one that wants to dominate global politics is going to use them. It would cause havoc both geographically and politically.

I think its unneccasry to have a no nukes aggrement, no one that wants to dominate global politics is going to use them. It would cause havoc both geographically and politically.

He seems pretty intent on using them. I don't think he really cares about what anyone else would say.

He seems pretty intent on using them. I don't think he really cares about what anyone else would say.

He would when the whole world came barging through the door.

There's way too much verbal fighting in this war. Should this continue I may be forced to ret-con the whole thing.

I am trying to keep it to a minimum.

He would when the whole world came barging through the door.

Just like lambs to the slaughter.

There's way too much verbal fighting in this war. Should this continue I may be forced to ret-con the whole thing.

Also, Futuris, Granatian Military Doctrine Strictly prohibits the use of Nuclear/Biological/Chemical Weapons as a First Strike Weapon, but should Granate itself be threatened by an outside source and it's internal security is risked, the Legislative Branch and Executive branch will not hesitate to drop Nukes or Missles laden with Chemicals or Biological Agent.

So basically, if you're fleet comes within so and so many miles, think 100 or so, of my Coast-line, well let's say there's going to be a large flash followed by a loud boom. Yes, right now we are on Shoot First, Ask Questions Later mode.

Should this war end up being Ret-Conned, I personally will not allow another war between Carlo and Kamp for two or so weeks. You have been forewarned.

Wow....way to ruin it for everyone when one little thing doesn't turn out for you.

"Oh no! We're about to get invaded! What do we do?"
"How about we use nukes!?"
"Yeah! That sounds like a great idea! After all, if they get within 100 miles? WTF? Of a piece of beach that belongs to us, we're going to nuke your Fleet off the face of the Earth! And then when everyone else is like! WTF?! WTF?! Why is he using nukes! Then they're going to nuke us and we're going to nuke them and this Earth's name will finally make sense! LOL!"

/Granate's Top Military Advisors

First of all, just because a military vessel gets 100 miles within your coastline...I mean, I thought you were supposed to be the Realism Mod? 100 miles? And people are complaining that Amb is being stubborn as to not let a military vessel approach several feet away from his coastline?

Second of all, I think that a lot of nations here have some kind of policy that any nation that uses a WMD is destined to be wiped off the face of the planet. So using a nuke to solve your own needs is in the short term going to come back and get you. There is no long term - nukes are strictly off limits to diplomatic talks - once you use a nuke, either the Earth collapses, or the Earth collapses. I've seen it happen too - one guy uses a nuke, and then another does, and then you've got nukes flying this way and that until everyone gets bombed back to the Stone Age. I thought you were the Realism Mod too. Would a nation in RL usually use nukes in case of an attack?

Third of all, maybe you should learn from Kampfers. He's a nation that is being totally outnumbered, betrayed, and it's just total crap for him. He can afford nukes if he wants to - but he has instead decided to fight it out and call on "allies". But you, a much richer nation, at the slightest of prodding, in fact, if a military vessel gets within 100 miles of your coastline, "Nuke it!!!"

Finally - don't be one of those people that are like "If you invade me, I can just nuke you and not worry about it." I'm not sure if that's how you usually swing - I haven't seen much of your RPing besides these Earths - but if you start the nuking now, you'll have a reputation from at least a couple good RPers in this Earth as a nuker. So don't do it. Again - I can't do anything to stop you - but maybe this OOC comment will change your mind.

Wow....way to ruin it for everyone when one little thing doesn't turn out for you.

"Oh no! We're about to get invaded! What do we do?"
"How about we use nukes!?"
"Yeah! That sounds like a great idea! After all, if they get within 100 miles? WTF? Of a piece of beach that belongs to us, we're going to nuke your Fleet off the face of the Earth! And then when everyone else is like! WTF?! WTF?! Why is he using nukes! Then they're going to nuke us and we're going to nuke them and this Earth's name will finally make sense! LOL!"

/Granate's Top Military Advisors

First of all, just because a military vessel gets 100 miles within your coastline...I mean, I thought you were supposed to be the Realism Mod? 100 miles? And people are complaining that Amb is being stubborn as to not let a military vessel approach several feet away from his coastline?

Second of all, I think that a lot of nations here have some kind of policy that any nation that uses a WMD is destined to be wiped off the face of the planet. So using a nuke to solve your own needs is in the short term going to come back and get you. There is no long term - nukes are strictly off limits to diplomatic talks - once you use a nuke, either the Earth collapses, or the Earth collapses. I've seen it happen too - one guy uses a nuke, and then another does, and then you've got nukes flying this way and that until everyone gets bombed back to the Stone Age. I thought you were the Realism Mod too. Would a nation in RL usually use nukes in case of an attack?

Third of all, maybe you should learn from Kampfers. He's a nation that is being totally outnumbered, betrayed, and it's just total crap for him. He can afford nukes if he wants to - but he has instead decided to fight it out and call on "allies". But you, a much richer nation, at the slightest of prodding, in fact, if a military vessel gets within 100 miles of your coastline, "Nuke it!!!"

Finally - don't be one of those people that are like "If you invade me, I can just nuke you and not worry about it." I'm not sure if that's how you usually swing - I haven't seen much of your RPing besides these Earths - but if you start the nuking now, you'll have a reputation from at least a couple good RPers in this Earth as a nuker. So don't do it. Again - I can't do anything to stop you - but maybe this OOC comment will change your mind.

As I said. Shoot First, Ask Questions Later. Also it's Granatian Military Doctrine. A good portion of the military is away right now and there's a hostile fleet approaching us. What are we supposed to do? Fight you on the sea? Hell no, the portion of my navy that is left is centered mostly in the Atlantic. That basically means you'd be fighting 3 to 4 Corvettes, which aren't exactly good against Carriers.

So you are basically unhindered in the Pacific since my Expeditionary Fleet is in Vladivostok. Which means my Pacific Flank is almost completely undefended. And we don't be Oceanic walls, too expensive and way too easily destroyed. They'd also mess with Tourism.

So basically you could land almost anywhere on my very long Pacific Coastline and invade me. And if we couldn't force you back into the sea in 48 hours it'd be over. We'd be force to call all of our soldeirs back, which would doom Kamp and Shakal. In the end, I've been pulled out of the war, Kamp and Shakal are conquered and brutally raped of their land. My nation is weakened by the attack and would most likely go into some kind of recession.

OR, I could circumvent that entire scenario and use a tactical nuke, not an ICBM, to disable your fleet.

Which sounds better to you?

How the hell will he get anywhere with the Andes Mountains going along your coastline? And why did your country get involved in the first place?

How the hell will he get anywhere with the Andes Mountains going along your coastline? And why did your country get involved in the first place?

There's ways.

Protecting Royal Assets. Namely, Hellsing: Kampfers.

This gives me an idea.

As I said. Shoot First, Ask Questions Later. Also it's Granatian Military Doctrine. A good portion of the military is away right now and there's a hostile fleet approaching us. What are we supposed to do? Fight you on the sea? Hell no, the portion of my navy that is left is centered mostly in the Atlantic. That basically means you'd be fighting 3 to 4 Corvettes, which aren't exactly good against Carriers.

So you are basically unhindered in the Pacific since my Expeditionary Fleet is in Vladivostok. Which means my Pacific Flank is almost completely undefended. And we don't be Oceanic walls, too expensive and way too easily destroyed. They'd also mess with Tourism.

So basically you could land almost anywhere on my very long Pacific Coastline and invade me. And if we couldn't force you back into the sea in 48 hours it'd be over. We'd be force to call all of our soldeirs back, which would doom Kamp and Shakal. In the end, I've been pulled out of the war, Kamp and Shakal are conquered and brutally raped of their land. My nation is weakened by the attack and would most likely go into some kind of recession.

OR, I could circumvent that entire scenario and use a tactical nuke, not an ICBM, to disable your fleet.

Which sounds better to you?

My Fleets don't really harbor a landing capability of taking over an entire country. Plus, even if a Fleet gets 100 miles within your coastline...that's kind of a lot of water.

Plus, it was really stupid of you to send almost your entire fleet halfway around the world. I've kept my fleets near my homelands so I feel safe...which is kind of stupid. I'll send my entire navy wherever I want to, and if I get attacked, I'll just use nukes.

Sometimes, we can use diplomacy to settle conflicts. I use it a lot. So far, I haven't been totally owned by another country. Perhaps you should have chosen sides more wisely?

And that still doesn't get over the fact that it's a nuke. You're going to get rid of basically an entire fleet of mine - and I have only a couple. And you use up one nuke. The cost difference of billions of dollars. Politically, everyone (except probably Kamp/Shakal) is going to get freaking mad at you and nuke you too.

You get maybe attacked in your homeland (remember, you can always retreat from the war and declare neutrality) and have a few missiles fly in and planes drop a few bombs. Your 3-4 corvettes are quickly sent to the bottom of the sea. Your Fleet in Russia should get out alive and cause enough damage. (personally, whether or not you stay in or out of the conflict, I don't see kamp's side winning...) You get back to the homeland, and we have a nice naval battle. The war between me and you ensues.

You nuke my Fleet. Everyone besides Kamp/Shakal/Cali that have nukes are probably going to nuke you back. Your entire country is a wasteland of radioactive sand and glass. Your navy is decimated, your people dead. No one wants to invade your country anymore because there is nothing to gain from it except some sort of possible mutation of a disease from the radioactivity. It becomes an international hazard spot, and no one is let in. After a few years to a few thousand, it will once again be stable enough for people to live there. The concept of the "Monarchy of Granate" has all but ceased to exist. It is seen from time to time in history books. And Darwin books. You know, the ones where you have the stupidest things people do. (note: this is purely IC stupid - no OOC flame)

What's better?

I didn't choose my side, Royal Assets are in Kampfers and in his army. Unless I can get all of that out of there, my side is chosen.

Argh, I can't take this right now. Fucking real-life, I try not to let it effect NS, but fuck...

Whatever, I guess all that I've done apart for anything in the EFJ IC thread never happened. I really can't deal with this right now.