NationStates Jolt Archive

Zhyolatska has agreed to host a forum for delegates from nations to attend. Invitations have only been sent to countries with the following socialist style governments: (Communism, Democratic socialism, Guild socialism, Libertarian socialism, Market socialism, Revolutionary socialism, Social democracy, Utopian socialism, Eurocommunism, Titoism, Maoism, New Class new left, Post-Communism, New Communism, Autonomism, Or Anarchism in it's various forms.) But any country may attend, regardless of government style, to participate in this global forum discussing Socialism's various aspects. Do note, that while so called "National Socialists" or "Fascists" claim to be socialists, the invitation is extended only to leftist socialism, however, right wing countries may still be allowed to attend to see how these states function, and engage in open discussion with member delegates.

No corporate entity, regardless of country's political denomination, will be allowed in the conference.

the invitation (for leftist countries) reads as follows:

"Comrades, Brothers, sisters, we open our arms to greet you, we ask you, come together, unite with your fellows. We invite you to a global forum to discuss how we, as Socialist Nations, will lead a way into a new epoch in humanity's future. We must be aware of the anti-communist sentiment and must be prepared to combat it, not through fire-power, but through thought.

Let us unite against globalized capitalism and fight against oppression. Join us in Zhyolatska so that we may determine our future!"

The People's Sovereign Republic

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Official Communiqué

We will be sending Ajeet Visweswaran, our Chancellor of the Exchequer and Finance Minister, to the World Socialist Conference.

Sincerely,
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The Rt. Hon. Sir Alistair Davidson, MP
Prime Minister of British Londinium

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Official Diplomatic Communique

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To: Whoever it may concern, Zhyolatskan Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Zhyolatska
From: Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister for Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party

Perfect, Great!

That said, I would like to communicate you that we feel honoured by your invitation and will be, of course, attending, the President himself has stated that he'll be attending personally (I shall come to).
He only requests he is allowed to bring a security detachment of three (3) Spec. Ops. agents (if not, he'll attend anyways)

Signed,
Alexander Nevskij, TWSP's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

We will gladly accept the dleegates from The World Soviet Party and British Londinium, we will also permit a bodyguard for the president only as it is a matter of national security. Be cautioned that we are firm believers in classlessness, and will grant your president lodgings no more luxurious than those of other delegates. Otherwise, we heartily accept your president's decision to come personally.

To British Londinium, we are more than willing to recieve such an educated and important minister, from such a respected country, you will be welcomed with other delegates!

The Freeland of Transeden would very much like to send a representative to this conference. As the only truly leftist (pseudo-anarchist, to be precise) nation in the predominantly right-wing Storn Archipelago, we would be interested in your views concerning non-violent self-defence.

Representative Bartholomew Horeiga is our nominee, and will attend unless you have an objection.

The Commonwealth of Tolvan is prepared to send Thomas Hale, a representative of the Commerce Ministry to observe this conference. Mr. Hale will be accompanied by his aide and bodyguard Jeffery Tyles.

While we in Tolvan have long accepted the fact that socialism in all its forms is a morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology, we are nevertheless interested in studying those nations that still cling to such an ineffective system of goverance.

Robert Donovan
Foreign Minister
Commonwealth of Tolvan

As an anarcho-communist territory we will gladly welcome any delegates from Transeden. We will look forward to your contributions and questions int he conference.

To Tolvan, we are dissapointed that you take such a biased viewpoint, but regardless we will give your delegate not only a spot int he conference, but a tour of the countryside to see how we function as a "morally and intellectually bankrupt" society, despite the fact that crime is almost totally unknown in our country and we have free healthcare and homes.

News Bulletin

The Federation of Kilani has announced they will be sending a team of diplomats to the World Socialist Conference. Well aware that some nations or groups could possibly take the opportunity to harm the delegates, they have reportedly offered members of the elite Kilani special forces unit, Krasnyi, to assist with security.

OOC: Darnit! They found out about my godrod scheme!

we will happily accept the Kilani delegates, but must inquire as to what their elite units are, how they will be armed, and other such information about them. We wish to keep this as low military as possible.

The Indian Soviet Commonwealth of course shall be represented at the conference, quite likely the delegates will be those involved directly in Beth Gellert's new relations with Zhyolatska.

We are more than happy to accept our Indian friends!

((to ThePeoplesFreedom: Tsk tsk tsk, naughty you! =P

The Worker's State of Kulikovia shows much interest in attending this conference of Socialist nations. Deputy Minister of State Ivan Kolokov will attend.

-Chancellor Gunther Rhinehardt

Greeting comrades!

Our nation would very much like to send our the head of our Diplomatic Komitee for the Promotion of International Socialism, Mr T. Leon, and two of his closest collaborators to the conference. The DKPIS is one of Scargistan's most important agencies. it's primary objective is the creation of a socialist region who would federate left-wing forces in the world in order to promote socialist and communist Ideas throughout the world. It would also permit our Ideology to be granted more power and respect in the UN.
Mr T. Leon is a very able man, a great diplomat devoted to socialism which he believes as the great majority of Scargistan's population that socialism does not stop at boarders and can't afford to do so.

Fraternally,

Scarg, President of the Holy republic of Scargistan

Hail to the Snail!

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Official communiqué

We will of course send a delegation to this important conference. We're glad that Zhyolatska took the initiative to this.

We will send our Prime Minister Werner Moltov (also the General Secretary of Kopparbergs' Socialist Party, KSP), together with the Chairman of the Defense Intelligence Bureau (DIB), Lieutenant General Sven-Åke Hjälmroth. They will be accompanied by four bodyguards (although we don't believe it's necessary, but with the peace conference in Calizorinstan San Diego in mind you cannot be for sure).

Åke Stålhandske
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

The People's Republic of Sorthern Northland would like to take this oppurtunity to attend what should be a very special conference. We believe that as this is an importent event, we shall be sending our President, The Dear Comrade Ben O'Bagels to attend along with a team of diplomats from all walks of life in Sorthern Northland.

Ho Chi-Bing
Minister of International Relations for The People's Republic of Sorthern Northland.

From: Rasputin Marx, The Sapin Radical Socialist Front
To: Zhyolatska

Greetings Comrade! I am from the great nation of Sapin, currently under the unlawful control of despiciable capitalist and facists in The Silver Sky, my nation makes up most of what is known as the 'Sapin Province'.

My people yearn to be independant again, to rule themselves under the righteous government system that is socialism! But for this we need help. Our capitalist enemies have a hold on much of the major cities in the province except for Cinigrad and Cruik while we are left with much of the country side. There weapons are advanced and military large while we are left with second hand weapons and soviet weapons purchased by out militias, which while the soviet weapons are glorious, they are woefully inadequate.

We wish to attend this conference to secure sources of fund to increase our inventory of weapons and to be able to feed our soldiers and also to forge ties with other socialist nations so that when the time comes, we have allies.

I will travel without guards as not to arouse suspicion, but I will bring a crew with me who will record and transmit the conference via a communications satellite we shall be launching soon.

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A few hours after the transmission was sent the countdown for the launching of the satellite was nearing it's end, it was a fairly large satellite for being for communications, but it could be contributed to the lack of technology used by the Soviets and large propellant tanks. The launch vehicle it's self was also huge, just huge, it was the Starbolt (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14995045/?qo=282&q=by%3Adoc-evilonavich&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps) at 211m tall it is the largest space lifter in height. And it had been found that when used to send the payload module into orbit it cound strike anywhere in the world.

"Entering Final Countdown, T-Minus 30 seconds, all personal leave the launch area." Came a Russian sounding voice over the intercoms, crew began to close hatches just before the main engine began to ignite.

"T-Minus 5...4...3...2...1...0! Launch!" Came the booming voice, which was just barely heard over the roar of the launcher lifting into the air, carrying it's payload to the heavens and into history.

The United Socialist States of the Northern Baltic wishes to join this conference. We will be sending our entire council of International Socialist Ideals consisting of 13 members. They will have a team of a dozen bodyguards. We would also like to inform you that the International Liberation Front will be sending it´s prized speaker, Mr. Konesky, along with two bodyguards to speak about the wrongs of Imperialism, as he experienced in the First Die Boerestaat War.

We will gladly accept all of you ((sorry for the lack of personal greetings, there are too many of you)),though we worry about the bodyguards of the Northern Baltic and the USK Kopparbergs, We will allow the two bodyguards for Mr. Konesky, but we urge you to reconsider the council's armed guard. To the Kopparbergs, we would ask you only bring two bodyguards for your head-of-state.

We do wish to keep this as low military as possible.

We are a bit doubtful about sending only two bodyguards along with Mr. Moltov and Mr. Hjälmroth. But if you can guarantee their safety at the conference (with two bodyguards), then it's ok with us.

Åke Stålhandske
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

we will happily accept the Kilani delegates, but must inquire as to what their elite units are, how they will be armed, and other such information about them. We wish to keep this as low military as possible.

Official Communique

We, of course, realize this. Krasnyi is aspecial forces team, specializing in counter-terrorist and insurgency work. With your permission, we will send a two four-man teams. One, in plainclothes, to provide for the security of our diplomats and one in full military gear to assist and advise your own security forces, as well as help provide a rapid response unit should anything go wrong.

We will gladly accept all of you ((sorry for the lack of personal greetings, there are too many of you)),though we worry about the bodyguards of the Northern Baltic and the USK Kopparbergs, We will allow the two bodyguards for Mr. Konesky, but we urge you to reconsider the council's armed guard. To the Kopparbergs, we would ask you only bring two bodyguards for your head-of-state.

We do wish to keep this as low military as possible.

The Council´s Security team will be lowered to 5 members. However, the Security for the ILF Speaker will be kept the same.

((right, it seems all who are coming are gathered, post about your Diplomats arriving IC and we can get discussions underway

((right, it seems all who are coming are gathered, post about your Diplomats arriving IC and we can get discussions underway

OOC: Arrival posts are always fail, cant we just assume we are all there and start the conference?

OOC: Arrival posts are always fail, cant we just assume we are all there and start the conference?
OOC: I agree, let's get this started.

IC:

Prime Minister Werner Moltov and Lieutenant General Sven-Åke Hjälmroth were guided to their seats in the conference room. On the table in front of them there were bottles with carbonated water, two notepads and a folder containing basic information about the registered nations for this conference. The folder also contained a world map with nations colored in different colors based on memberships in alliances and political views.

Sven-Åke Hjälmroth was well known with the folder, as he was one of the persons behind it. The Defense Intelligence Bureau in Kopparbergs made this folder in cooperation with Intelligence-services in other GUSN-countries. (All of the participants here were given this folder.)

President Aszenmil and his Minister for Foreign Affairs entered the conference room, wearing smiles and bussiness suits. They sat down next to the Koppabergs delegates after shaking their hands.

((ooc: sorry for the delay, busy.

A community of men, some 24 total, enter into the building, and begin arranging their seats so as to form something as close to a circle as possible with the other seats. The men are all members of Zhyolatska's "Revolutionary Council" which oversees the transition of Zhyolatska to a socialist state, the man first to speak is Illyusha Verkhotsov.

"Comrades, brothers, we face a new era. We stand at the precipice of a new epoch in the course of human evolution. Before us our fathers fought to liberate themselves from the rulership of tyrants. It took many years of revolution for this to happen, yet it still did. There were problems, granted, insane fools praying on the unsuspecting masses to gain control, I speak of course, of the rise of fascism. Even our brothers in revolution were prayed upon. Iosif Dzhugashvili, Better known is Stalin, is a stain upon the red memory many would like to forget.

But let us realize that the next step is here, years of revolution are finally being realized. We are proud to have our country serve as a testament to the ideas of freedom for all, the realization of one's place in society, the beginnings of a free world.

There are obstacles that must be overcome if we are to survive as free people. There is a sense-less, blind antipathy towards socialists, so much so that many supposed capitalist "defenders of democracy" were quick to support a fascist regime in our country. Many openly voiced support for this Totalitarian, oppressive regime,a regime which rigged elections and forced many into prison death-camps, working them to the bone to produce an extra tonne or two of steel.

When it comes to such a point that the word "Communism" is immediately associated with the very oppression we fight, fears arise. We must, during this conference, come together to determine what we shall do to combat capitalist globalization, to prevent the people from being silenced when the majority must be kept quiet for fear of state reactionism, and to let people become aware of the truth of what we preach, as socialists.

With these words, I now begin this conference, comrades, let your voices known, let us solve these matters with words."

The Indian Soviet delegation was full of unfamiliar faces, and names like Obminious Gelatrix and Vinge Dudley. The Beddgelens were busy, these days, and political newcomers were winning votes on consular missions.

A Tamil woman who introduces herself only as comrade Vera is first to speak for the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert, and does so only to suggest that we must go further, past de-Stalinisation, and recognise also that the likes of Lenin and Trotsky have been equally damaging to global socialism, and even establish that the works of Karl Marx are not the new holy scriptures.

Indeed, anyone who knows anything about Soviet India, one of the world's largest and wealthiest socialistic states, will be well aware that most of the delegation, and those they are empowered to represent, went to universities that teach Marx in departments that include the word misconceptions in their titles.

Still, the Beddgelens are here, and full of enthusiasm. The India-based Communist League now controls coffers stuffed with billions of dollars in potential development aid and strike-sustaining relief that may yet turn the tide in liberty's favour.

A Tamil woman who introduces herself only as comrade Vera is first to speak for the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert, and does so only to suggest that we must go further, past de-Stalinisation, and recognise also that the likes of Lenin and Trotsky have been equally damaging to global socialism, and even establish that the works of Karl Marx are not the new holy scriptures.


President Aszenmil politely waited till Vera was done talking befor expressing his opinion:

"Miss Vera, if I may call you so, you'll find that most of us here do not take such concepts, like Marxist Communism, Troskyism or Leninism to heart, in fact, most of the nations represented here either practice their own form of socialism, like us Soviets for example, or have moderated their views after learning of the atrocities that such men imposed upon mankind."

After nodding to several other delegates from The Northern Baltic, Mrs. Gulsar stood up. After looking around the room for several seconds, she said,¨We would like to remind the other members of this conference that The United Socialist States of the Northern Baltic follows Trotskyism. We would also like to remind the Indian Soviet Delegation and the rest of the members of this conference that it was Joseph Stalin, not Trotsky or Lenin, that caused the most damage to Socialism and Communism.¨ She sat down and none of the other delegates from the Northern Baltic decided to speak.

Chancellor of the Exchequer Ajeet Visweswaran sat in his leather chair and observed the proceedings of the conference with mild bemusement.

Amazing that these people, ostensibly, share a common ideology, he thought. You'd think that Griffencrest Oil or something was here, with all this hostility.

Clearing his throat, the Chancellor stood up and addressed the room.

"I'm rather embarrassed to admit that the People's Sovereign Republic knows little of Trotkyism. Perhaps the Northern Baltic plenipotentaries would be kind enough to explain how it works to me, since, this is a...learning experience of sorts."

Mrs. Gulsar stood up and cleared her throat. After moving some papers around on her desk, she began,¨Trotskyism calls for an international revolution. This is it´s main difference from Stalinism. While Stalinism involves Socialism In One Nation, Trotskyism calls for a worldwide revolution. Another aspect of Trotskyism that seperates it from Stalinism is the call for democratic elections. Trotskyists oppose Stalinism because of the confliction of beliefs and generally refer to the U.S.S.R. under Joseph Stalin as a deformed worker state.¨ Hoping her answear satisfied the delegate from British Londinium, Mrs. Gulsar sat down, but stood ready to stand up again if she needed to.

The Chancellor listened intently as the Baltic delegate responded.

"Thank you, ma'am, but, just one more question. Does Trotskyism entail any specific domestic policies that differ from other types of socialism?"

Mrs. Gulsar stood up and, after looking around at the other delegates responded,¨Aside from democratic elections, no. We are willing to give an explanation if you require one.¨ Mrs. Gulsar sat down, but was ready to get right back up in case the delegate from British Londinium required another answear.

Visweswaran nodded politely and sat down, having procured sufficient data for the purposes of his government.

Prime Minister Werner Moltov stood up. He looked at the other delegates to see if someone else was going to say something, but they all looked at him.

"Hrm... Well, now when we all now what kind of socialism we practice maybe we should continue with the real issues?"

He looked at the others again. No one seemed to understand what he meant.

"Yes, first, I'd like to attend an issue, that while it may not concern us all, is of utmost importance" He coughed to clear his voice "It has been brought to my atention, that, recently the People's Sovereign Republic of British Londinium has joined the alliance known as the 'Corporate Alliance', of course, this is worrying to us, and if possible, we'd like an aclaration to this course of action"

"That's one of the issues I wanted to highlight here today. One of the issues on my agenda is to map the possible enemies to GUSN in the first place, but also to socialist nations in general. And there's no doubt that the CA will be mentioned." Moltov looked at Visweswaran and sat down.

ppc- can i join or is it too late

ppc- can i join or is it too late
OOC: You're welcome! You don't have to RP your delegate(s) arriving, we can just assume they're here.

ppc- can i join or is it too late

OOC: Sure, go ahead.

ooc- i meant ooc. the o and the p are right next to each other

A voice out of the croud said,
"I am Deputy Prime Minister of New Brittonia. My name is Mohammed Javaid, and I would like to discuss the New Brittonian communism with you all here."

TO: ALL SOCIALST NATIONS
FROM: NCCP

Our country is having an epidemic, and we need help, if anyone can spare hosipital supplies and ships it would be appreaciated.

Thomas Hale reclined in his seat at the back of the room. He had no need for the stack of information that sat in front of him, he'd read through all of the information the Tolvanic intelligence community had collected about the nations at the conference. Hale also knew plenty about socialist ideology, he did after all hold a Masters in Economics from the university of Brayton, one of the world's foremost colleges and home to the third ranked business school in the world. Hale and his aide Jeffery Tyles were here merely to observe, they had no interest in discussing or debating socialism. While both men were listed as representatives of the Commerce Ministry, they were in fact agents of the National Directorate of Intelligence (NDI) and it was their job to keep an eye on any potential threats to the Commonwealth or its interests.

"Yes, first, I'd like to attend an issue, that while it may not concern us all, is of utmost importance" He coughed to clear his voice "It has been brought to my atention, that, recently the People's Sovereign Republic of British Londinium has joined the alliance known as the 'Corporate Alliance', of course, this is worrying to us, and if possible, we'd like an aclaration to this course of action"

QFT!

Deputy Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs Lt.-Col. Amos Weigand in Attendance:

"Where's the bathroom?" he yells, interrupting other delegates mid-speech. While urinating where he stands, he continues to shout "You invited fascists? Well, where the fuck are they? FUCKING FAGGOTS!!!"

Fortunately, Sub-Deputy Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs Colin Jayne is also in attendance to attempt to smooth things over:

"What he means to say is that the delegates from Bigeeteestan are sorry to be late, especially uninvited and under these circumstances. We doubt, however, that any antisocialist nations will attend and, as a result, some possibilities for the truly open and full free exchange of ideas that were suggested in the opening address may not be achieved. Also, the Honourable Deputy Vice-Minister's epithet refers only to a bundle of burning twigs. Our apologies, again".

OOC-I would like to join.

Grand Commissar Justin D. Cole, of the United Socialist States of Zintharia, clearing his throat, addressed the representative of the World Soviet Party.

"If this thing you say is true, it is most disturbing. I for one am appalled at this travesty of our ideals. In my eyes, even associating with imperialist capitalists is a crime worthy of extradition or execution! How exactly do you suggest we remedy this problem?"

Leaning back in his chair, GCOM Cole shook his head and sighed.

President Ben O'Bagels stood to, "Friends and fellow comrades, it brings me great pleasure to be here today, and to intorduce The People's Republic of Sorthern Northland for the first time as an independant state, we have succfessly taken the power and ownership from the corparations and given it back to our people, our revolution has spread from the south right accross Northland and most of Northland is now a state free from the corparations who care only about money.

Now the would like to move onto the two issues that have so far come up as importent in our views, the first of which is British Londinium joining the 'Corportate Alliance', it is our view that they cannot be a member of both alliences and we definatly want this to be taken further.

The second is North Calaveras' request for help to counter an epidemic, we are prepard to help this nation out and as soon as we know what help is needed we shall send a team of specialist to North Calaveras."

Matthew Ashtill was not a recognized member of Zwangzug's diplomatic corps, but he did have some tentative grasp of foreign affairs, which elevated him into at least the upper decile. At any rate, he was the official representative to the conference.

"I find it important to discuss," he spoke, "that confusing terminology does not interfere with our common goals. To clear up a possible misconception, I would like to state for the record that although the dominant political party in my nation is dubbed "National Socialist", it is definitely a left-wing entity. We share the same opposition to capitalist oppression as any other socialist organization. It should be of great import to all of us to clarify what socialism is and is not, especially in the minds of a confused world."

Mrs. Gulsar smiled and whispered to one of the other delegates from the Northern Baltic,¨Most of them are Trotskyists, yet they don´t even know it.¨

Obminious Gelatrix rises to reply, in time, saying, in a tone that sounded tired, as if he'd been here more than once before, "Mrs. Gulsar, this is exactly the sort of revisionist history that we of the Indian Soviet Commonwealth wish to dispel. Trotsky, like most leading Bolshevists, was no communist, no socialist, but a murderer also guilty of repeated incompetence.

"Lenin the same. It is, with a decent education in the matter, damned hard to argue with Kropotkin's assertion that, 'Lenin is not comparable to any revolutionary figure in history. Revolutionaries have had ideals. Lenin has none.'

"Where was Trotsky's all-encompassing socialism when the Red Army was sent against Kronstadt? When the Bolshevik Party crushed left-socialist and anarchist gatherings, slaughtering thousands of revolutionaries and ignorants and condemning more to to scant mercies of the Cheka?

"If Trotsky were here, today, I would want no ice-pick to aid my hand in dispatching the scoundrel."

Vinge Dudley's heavy Sri Lankan accent cut in, the smallest Soviet male on hand trying to move things along, "Yes, yes, Trotsky played a very big part in destroying socialism for millions of people, but, since all manner of counter-revolutionaries have been invited, today, I think it best to work now on pushing a progressive agenda and thinking as little as possible of such mishaps.

"We should discuss the rights and wrongs of economic relations, perhaps. Soviet India recently changed its long-standing policy of trading only with communist societies and of trading only natural resources particular to each party. We have established one of the world's freest markets with the sole provisor that all imported goods must be qualified by the Soviet Commune as produce of socialist labour. Raipur would very much like to see similar standards spread across the world, enhancing both economic democracy and socialist prosperity. I am not interested in the archaic prattle of dead white men, I am a socialist and I want to get some socialising on the go!"

The Commonwealth of Federational States proposes the formation of a trade organization to counter coroprate alliance activities. Trading solely within this organizational framework would stegnthen socialist economies worldwide.

We are also happy to offer North Calaveras whatever medical aid they propose.

The Chairman of Kopparbergs Defense Intelligence Bureau (DIB), Lieutenant General Sven-Åke Hjälmroth, stood up for the first time. He began to speak:

"I think we need to map the possible threats against GUSN and the other socialist countries in the world. Here are a couple of suggestions:

The CA – Corporate Alliance
It's in their nature to be hostile towards socialist countries. At least that's what I've heard.
The New Prussian Empire
No communist nations are allowed to apply for membership, as they are our primary enemy. That's what the official documents says. They are also holding an Anti-Communist Conference as we speak.
I've heard something about a terrorist organization called ACA. I believe it stands for Anti-Communist Alliance or something like that, but we really don't know much about this organization.


That's a start at least."

Before he sat down, he added "and don't forget that the People's Sovereign Republic of British Londinium recently joined the CA, but their reasons are unknown. It seems like they refuses to give a reasonable explanation – or for gods sake, an explanation at all." Then he sat down, and looked at Visweswaran.

Did they have to mention that? Visweswaran asked.

"The PSR has had numerous, long-standing relations with Corporate Alliance nations since the early 1990s," he replied. "Our government, after a thorough analysis of their organization, has not deemed them a threat to socialist nations. Despite being called the 'corporate alliance', we have yet to see any ideological foundation for the group. However, I can assure you that the GUSN is British Londinium's primary alliance, and will be considered above all others in any conflict. But since the Union is not satisfied with this answer, and truly wishes us to withdraw, then we will drop our membership in the CA forthwith."

Did they have to mention that? Visweswaran asked.

"The PSR has had numerous, long-standing relations with Corporate Alliance nations since the early 1990s," he replied. "Our government, after a thorough analysis of their organization, has not deemed them a threat to socialist nations. Despite being called the 'corporate alliance', we have yet to see any ideological foundation for the group. However, I can assure you that the GUSN is British Londinium's primary alliance, and will be considered above all others in any conflict. But since the Union is not satisfied with this answer, and truly wishes us to withdraw, then we will drop our membership in the CA forthwith."

President Aszenmil nodded agreeingly.

"Thank you very much, this really takes a burden off our backs.

And, concerning the economic propositions of the Soviet Indians, I'm afraid, I, as a person, must decline such an ideology, so far, New Socialism has worked and thrived in the World Soviet Party. As a matter of fact, it has made us one of the most powerful nations in our region, with a far better, and more fair, economy than that of many 'capitalist' nations, such as Clandonia Prime, just to name one"

Tatom would like to send a delegate.

My sole foreign ambassador, Rain, would love to infiltrate, I mean attend.

"Lenin the same. It is, with a decent education in the matter, damned hard to argue with Kropotkin's assertion that, 'Lenin is not comparable to any revolutionary figure in history. Revolutionaries have had ideals. Lenin has none.'


Grand Commissar Cole of Zintharia, upon hearing Obminious Gelatrix's statement, stands up and furiously smashes the glass of water near his chair.

"HOW DARE YOU! That you would decry the Noble Man who gave rise to our movement and gave it a home and nation to live in and aid, that you would say that he is no revolutionary and that he had no ideas, BLASPHEMY! Lenin's ideal, or perfect model you might say, was that of a Communist Nation where all leaders where elected democratically. That was what he held in his mind as he aided the Bolshevik Revolution and put his life on the line by rebelling against bourgeosie Tsarism! THAT WAS HIS IDEAL!"

Calming down, GCOMM Cole brushed himself off and wrapped a handkerchief around his now bleeding hand.

"I apologise for that outburst comrades. My country prides itself as being Defenders of the Leninist Ideal, that is our motto. It enflames my mind in shame at our conference to see such traitorous ideas at such a Noble conference. The USSZ is always open to new ideas, but some of them don't belong in one's mind."

As he sat back down, GCOMM Cole took a long draught from a canteen he had in his jacket.

Hale scribbled some notes on his legal pad as he listened to the amusing argument raging among the attendees.

"How do these socialists plan to spread their "revolution" abroad when there at at each other's throats here over mere semantics?"

Hale glanced over at Tyles, who was buy reading through a rather thick assesment of the military power of many of the nations in attendance at the conference. Hale only shook his head slightly. Tyles had a background in the Spcial Forces and preferred using force to eliminate threats. Hale's background was as an economist and diplomat, he preferred the more subtle tactic of waging economic war. While violence had its uses, nothing had broken the spirits of more socialist revolutionaries than exposure to such wonderful trappings of capitalism as consumer electronics, fast food, nice cars.

The sound of shouting with a security guard was the first sound the delegates would have heard. Along with a quiet suppression by a raspy, heavily accented voice. The sight of the 3 men walking in would have made a normal person turn their head, but for these socialists it would have been as if Jesus had come down, just to get a slider at White Castle.

The insignia on the banner the suppressed guard was holding invoked the Soviet Confederation. A hammer and sickle, however the skull dominating the hammer and sickle. Shockingly it was the former Red Mafia, now oddly enough a legitimate country, the Republic of the Red Islands.

The two guards flanked the delegate, a rather short man, dressed as a monk, walked in. He looked over at the delegate from British Londinium and nodded at him. He also turned toward the Northern Baltic delegation and smiled broadly. He sat down. The man with the banner disassembled the flag.

And the room fell silent. The monk took out a little plaque and put it on the table.

"The Republic of the Red Islands, Corporate Alliance"

(OOC: I too would like to join.)

The Gryerhanian Delegate, Colonel Grigori Romanov leaned back in his chair and dozed quietly while the conference was underway. Grigori wasn't a diplomat, he was probably one of the few of the delegates who was actually in a military uniform. The only reason he'd been forced to come was because his nation, in was in the middle of some extreme military cutbacks.

He jerked his head forward suddenly, crying out in surprise. The back of his neck had touched the cold metal of the chair, and his officer's cap had fallen off. Standing to his feet and looking at the scene around him, Romanov felt himself blushing for breaking the silence.

Quickly he put his cap back on, smoothed the wrinkles from his greatcoat, and sat back down. He crossed his arms, propped his feet up on the chair in front of him, and continued to watch the events that unfolded before him.

The delegation from the Northern Baltic was still outraged over the comment the Soviet Indian Delegation made against Trotsky, rather then Trotskyism. The delegation would´ve actully enjoyed a casual debate on Trotskyism, but the fact that the Soviet Indian Delegation decided to attack Trotsky, who was dead and buried in his final resting place in the Northern Baltic and could not defend against such insults agitated them beyond belief. They had actully been willing to walk out of the conference, until the delegation from The Republic of the Red Islands joined the conference. The council decided, with a quick vote, that they should stay and see what the other delegates reaction to The Republic of the Red Islands entry was. Besides, it would´ve been just bad manners to walk out on a nation that they would soon be fighting.

An older man, in his late fifties, sat very quietly in his chair, watching the proceedings. Heads of state yelling at each other over men long dead, pandering their own ideals. It reminded him of why Chellis went back into isolation. With a system that had lasted the tests of time and war, of generations of people, he felt strongly about Altruisium. But he had composure, and tact.

He stood up. He didn't have any distinct traits of a chellian, nor much of an accent, at least not when speaking english. He hadn't mingled either, unless flirting with a bottle of bourbon counted. He cleared his throat, and waited for a turn to speak.

"My colleagues, let us not argue about systems of governance. Nobody is going to convince each other to change the way their nations operate. No..." He said, taking a sip off of his bourbon, "Let us talk of more important issues. The capitalists hate us, because we scare them. They talk of our so called failing systems, and how our people hate us, and we face imminent revolution. There are but wishes.

The capitalists are afraid that if we consolidate our collective strength, we will destroy them. This is quite funny, as it is always the capitalists who seem to provoke conflict with us. We try to provide for our people, while they think of ways to damage us. And then, when they manage to push us into failure, they claim it was our faults.

I do not propose any sort of alliance, no. But think of your fellow men. If the people of The World Soviet Party are being oppressed, it is like the people of Chellis are too. Same with those in Beddgellert, Koeppersburg, and all of our nations. We realized long ago that fighting amongst ourselves is the way to ruin.

The only way to protect our ways of life is to protect each other. Remember this, my friends. Il sivi en tellas, au privious."

The man sat down. He hadn't planned to rant, but hopefully some of the delegates here would come to a realization.

"The Republic of the Red Islands, Corporate Alliance"

Interesting thought President Aszenmil Though I guess they ARE a nation after all and can't be put under the "corporate" category... We'll see what happens

Snip

"I wholeheardtedly agree with my Chellis'ian (?) comrade here, if we don't stay united, we will perish, remember the saying 'Divide and you'll conquer'?.

Well, that's exactly what countries like Questers, Clandonia Prime, Praetonia, Doomingsland, Automagfreek... and other, while not so blatantly warmongering, but who use stealthier methods such as plagues, economic tricks... and even assasination to further their own interests.

As a matter of fact, I have been recently informed by my intelligence services, that there might be groups interested in assuring that none of us here make it out alive. How true is that, I dont know, but please, for your nation's sake, be careful"

Interesting thought President Aszenmil Though I guess they ARE a nation after all and can't be put under the "corporate" category... We'll see what happens



"I wholeheardtedly agree with my Chellis'ian (?) comrade here, if we don't stay united, we will perish, remember the saying 'Divide and you'll conquer'?.

Well, that's exactly what countries like Questers, Clandonia Prime, Praetonia, Doomingsland, Automagfreek... and other, while not so blatantly warmongering, but who use stealthier methods such as plagues, economic tricks... and even assasination to further their own interests.

As a matter of fact, I have been recently informed by my intelligence services, that there might be groups interested in assuring that none of us here make it out alive. How true is that, I dont know, but please, for your nation's sake, be careful"

The man stood up again. He was tired, but certain things were expected of him. It was the Chellian way.

"Let us not be rash, and bring out names. The threat is in many places. Don't worry yourselves with Automagfreek; They don't provoke nations. Take it from someone who's known them well, for a great amount of time. The Freeks would just as soon destroy a capitalist, as a communist or socialist."

The man sat back down again. It felt good, to relax.

Grigori, feeling the need to speak suddenly, came to his feet. Once again, he adjusted his hat just so that it barely shadowed his eyes, and smoothed the wrinkles from his coat. "Comrades, if I would be allowed to speak my mind. My nation of Gryerhan has been the victim of constant espionage, especially since our conversion from monarchy to democratic socialism."

"I am in agreement with the last two speakers. I believe that we can indeed learn at least one thing from our capitalist... ah... "friends". We must develope closer relations if we are to stand tall for our beliefs. We will need to cooperate, to share intelligence and possibly even military strength in more extreme circumstances. What I propose is a sort of a sort of mutual defense and intelligence network."

"However, I will be the first to admit that I am a military man at heart and not a diplomat. It is a rather archaic practice of my home country to appoint military officers to the diplomatic corps. Therefore, the rest of you may believe that military might is not necessarily the proper course of action. I will respect that, but think of what I have to say."

He finished his speech and sat down, taking a drink of water and tipping his hat further down over his eyes. Grigori felt himself blushing even more now. He always hated talking to a crowd, and one this large made him feel quite humble and embarrassed.

The Die Boerestaat Liberation Front speaker stood up. ¨And what of the situation in Die Boerestaat?¨ he said while eyeing the delegation from the Republic of the Red Islands. ¨Our land is currently being occupied by Imperialists and we will not be able to set foot in our land until the Imperialists are pushed out.¨

General Benjamin St Martin, the PSR's military plenipotentiary to the conference, cleared his throat and rose to spoke.

"Despite being a member of the Londinian Armed Forces, I feel that the best currency that the GUSN has is the currency of soft power. For those of us who are unfamiliar with the term, soft power is the ability to persuade and to attract, instead of hard power, the ability to coerce and force. I feel that any overt, alliance-sponsored revolution in Die Boerstaat severely compromises our soft power assets - it will make us look like the riffraff that the capitalists make us out to be. The capitalist nations continue to purport our 'godlessness' and our 'economic failures' to newer nations, and thus, socialism is a dying ideology. Thus, it must be the sole objective of the GUSN to glorify socialism by glorifying this alliance. And the only way to do that is to increase soft power. The GUSN must begin giving economic aid to other nations, even if, perhaps, they are not socialist. We must establish a clear stand on human rights. Indeed, instead of merely affirming that we follow them, we must pioneer in this field. And at the same time, the GUSN must consolidate. As of now, we are merely a loose conglomeration of like-minded nations. That, in the opinion of my government, must change. United we stand...divided we fall."

... :rolleyes:, oh dear.

"The Londinia delegate brings a good point, perhaps the GUSN could set an aid program like of the, now deceased, Global Alliance of Sovereign Nations..."

(OOC: Ooh, sounds fun. Is this a private game, or can I join in too?)

Christine Mirani, Pisces Meridian's chief foreign officer, wrote down a few points on her notepad. She was interested by the different forms of 'socialism' that were represented in this conference.

While she personally believed that more should be done than a mere aid program to help people in occupied lands, her nation was in a difficult situation, being one of the only socialist states in a primarily capitalist region.

Standing up, pen tucked neatly behind her ear, she asked her first question of the meeting.

"Could the delegate from Londinium please clarify what he means by 'pioneering' the field of human rights?"

The diplomat from Kilani stirred, "The Federation would support such an organization. It is, after all, in the best interests of Socialism to ensure that the common man is fed and housed. If people see the advantages that Socialism has brought our countries, then they will want to see it spread in their own."

Prime Minister Werner Moltov rose and began to speak again:

"First I would like to thank Visweswaran for clarifying the situation with CA. We're very satisfied with this new information, and our hearts are relieved to say the least.

And then I must agree to the statement from General Benjamin St Martin. Soft power should not be forgotten, and it may be a good strategy to practice it a lot more than we're doing today. A really god suggestion, Mr. St Martin!"

And before he sat down again, he looked at St Martin and with a lover voice he added:

"And what about the whole Aequatio affair? I can't understand what they're doing! Just let us know if it's something we can do for you, as an ally of GUSN."

"We can't be certain, but we believe that Aequatio bombed their own vessels in order to create the illusion that they were attacked so that they might declare war on us," replied the General. "While at the same time not being labeled a warmonger."

The Die Boerestaat Liberation Front speaker stood up. ¨And what of the situation in Die Boerestaat?¨ he said while eyeing the delegation from the Republic of the Red Islands. ¨Our land is currently being occupied by Imperialists and we will not be able to set foot in our land until the Imperialists are pushed out.¨

The delegate stood up, at the same time snapped a match one of the guards was holding up. The guard complained as the cigarette dropped out of his mouth but was quickly silenced by a stare.

"Brother, Die Boerstaat was a racist nation that surpressed the native population and the Asian worker population. They invited us in to quell a 'native' rebellion. In fact, you invited us in, we came in, and we saw the horrors of Die Boerstaat. Curfews, blackouts, we've seen black men beaten in the street. Chased out of 'white only' restrooms. You consider them inferior, and if you take back that land, you will treat all those men with inequity and a disturbing lack of humanity."

"We cannot justify the absolutist measures we have taken, the repression of any Boer that started trouble, mass arrests at the Ku Klux Klan meeting, nor can anyone ever forgive us for using nuclear weapons. However, consider this."

"Every man, woman and child is treated with the natural rights they deserve, that they yearn for and was subjected to a brutal regime who wished to ensure their 'racial superiority'. We have elections, we have collective farms that grow food. We have a powerful economy that every day churns out the consumer goods in many nations. Including many of the nations here."

His arms were raised in the air. He gestured toward the entire room.

"Delegates, can any of you tell me, to my face, to the face of every last freeman and freewoman in Die Boerstaat that they do not deserve things like the Freedom of the Press? Or Freedom of Speech? Or Freedom to eat at the corner deli? Or Freedom to marry their one true love?"

"Brothers, can any of you say that?"

"For those of you interested in a coalition, this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Coalition_of_Anti-Capitalist_Economies) may be of interest," Ashtill volunteered.

"For those of you interested in a coalition, this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Coalition_of_Anti-Capitalist_Economies) may be of interest," Ashtill volunteered.

Anna Merckx, a representative from the Londinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, replied, "How would joining a group that would isolate us thoroughly from the international community, and thus prevent us from educating the world about the benefits of socialism help us?"

"I'm not sure," Ashtill confessed. "We're not in it either."

"We can't be certain, but we believe that Aequatio bombed their own vessels in order to create the illusion that they were attacked so that they might declare war on us," replied the General. "While at the same time not being labeled a warmonger."

President Aszenmil passed a note to the Londinian delegate, it read:

"I think I might have a partial answer to this problem, but it's just between the two of us, would you be interested in meeting to discuss this issue later on?"

OOC: If the answer is positive, I'll make a separate thread for it.

IC:

Minister Nevskij stood up to answer the "Red Islands Delegate".

"I must admit that you surprise me, for coming from a recently formed nation, formed by ex-Leafanistani citizens, you seem to be quite... 'humane'.

I must also admit that we're not quite aware of the former and current situation in Die Boerstaat, since we didn't pay much atention to the whole thing while it happened, I hope you'll be able to excuse us since we were having more pressing matters, but would you be as kind as to explain us what happened there?"

The General quickly wrote a reply note and sent it back to President Aszenmil.

That would be most excellent, it read.

The People's Republic Of North Calaveras Wish To Send An Ambassador From The Nccp.

IC:

Minister Nevskij stood up to answer the "Red Islands Delegate".

"I must admit that you surprise me, for coming from a recently formed nation, formed by ex-Leafanistani citizens, you seem to be quite... 'humane'.

I must also admit that we're not quite aware of the former and current situation in Die Boerstaat, since we didn't pay much atention to the whole thing while it happened, I hope you'll be able to excuse us since we were having more pressing matters, but would you be as kind as to explain us what happened there?"

"Certainly Minister Nevskij. But first you have to excuse me just a second."

He took out of his pocket a small inhaler and pushed down the button. When he spoke again, his raspy voice was no longer so raspy.

"Now, I can explain easily. I was the Chief Diplomat to Die Boerstaat when they called for help. They had said their glorious republic had come under attack by native seperatists and that they needed help cracking down. Like many nations we jumped on the oppurtunity to help them surpress the rebellion. We wish to extract some sort of economic trade concession in return."

"I was in a small town with a name that in English, and not their own brand of Dutch would be unpronounceable. I have never seen so many consonants run together like that. The nature of deployment was to observe, and I saw something odd the minute I stepped off the plane."

"As a former Leafanistani Citizen, I see colors of all sort in people's skins. What I saw that day when I stepped off my quaint Biplane was a universally tanned white faces. And they all stared at me. They stared because I myself am a smidge Sicilian, but dark enough for them to wonder. A man came up to me to ask if I was some sort of half-breed. I didn't understand and feigned a lack of understanding. My translator explained that I was from the south of Italy, which satisfied the growing crowd."

"I saw why they rebelled that day, I could see the 'colored' servants as they described it to me, perhaps to blunt how prejudiced they were. I saw the separated bathrooms which my handler joked to me that I myself wouldn't turn black from touching the same faucets they touched. That was when I returned and made a recommendation to the Council that we had no right to be there in support of their government. We had to do something, it was simply inhumane."

"After the only unanimous decision made by the Council was done, I returned to give the troops the message. That according to the wishes of our Council, and the wishes of our alliance's members that it was no longer, conscienble , no longer in any way human to support the corrupt government of Die Boerstaat. So we turned on them in a way to keep the civilian populace safe."

"We observed their Klan meetings, the cross burnings, and we put in place earlier curfews, and longer blackouts. We built bases, and then finally we smashed down the puppet Parliament of the white majority, and declared a state of emergency."

"We took over every last base in those days. We took weapons out of Civilian hands. And then we declared ourselves the leaders of Die Boerstaat. Established "Debra", or the Die Boerstaat Regulatory Agency, and did the act that started the Die Boerstaat Liberation Front."

"We abolished institutionalized racism."

"We quelled over 2 dozen riots in the next month, broke up 3 cross burnings and major Ku Klux Klan meetings, and we arrested over 15,000 people in night time raids. We began building a prison facility on the border with Sudafrika to try to rehabilitate those people. At first we lost many as they tried to rebel. We had to put forth harsher measures. We still lost people. Finally we started having them work individually. We had them make clothing for their now 'native' handlers. We punished talking as all they said were racial epithets and plotting against our rule."

"I personally found myself at the end of a makeshift knife before a guard knocked the man out, and he said what I can only imagine as the most hateful words ever said by a fellow human being. I cannot even begin to repeat them, as in my former homeland, and in my current homeland, such thoughts are only a quaint reminder of a time before rationality."

"We expected little resistance as the natives were infinitely grateful toward us. Then however, the bombings started. Cafes, nightclubs, schools, summer camps, the civilian infrastructure found itself under attack by an entity called the Die Boerstaat Liberation Front. At first we though they we of no concern, even their name was laughable as Die Boerstaat was horribly unliberated before we came."

"They launched a major offensive from Sudafrika, and in their opening actions, destroyed the prison camp and freed the prisoners. Of course that involved blowing up a barracks, which at the time we isolated troubled children from the influence of their parents. Our forces were holding at first but soon after we noticed a chemical fog covering the base we had to leave. We had no time to rescue the prisoners. Our men were being shot as they tried to open the locks."

"God help me, I left all those people behind. We found no choice but the Pact of Iron launched a nuclear retaliatory attack against their perceived headquarters. When their second offensive started we realized we couldn't hold them at the border and would have to retreat. That would leave countless villages open, and seeing what they did in peacetime to the natives, we could not bear to leave them like this."

"Brothers, our most unforgivable act, we launched nuclear missiles to stall the offensive, we couldn't hold the line without them. We lost the prison camp complex. We lost the majority of the border. And we left behind so many."

He paused as he removed the inhaler once again and took a deep breath.

"Now we face them again, we have heart rumors, rumblings that they are preparing an offensive, and we have a suspect on who is backing them."

He reached into his pocket and removed a list of corporations, domestic and foreign.

"This is a list of companies we have authorized to help us rebuild Die Boerstaat after the 'Boers' rebelled against the abolition of racism. We list many firms, but one of them is from the Northern Baltic."

He turned toward the Northern Baltic delegation, he raised his arm, his cloak fell back revealing heavy scarring.

"They helped us build many things, but the one pattern we noticed in our raids, were that they gathered at everything that firm built. It was a breeding ground and we think we know why. The reason why the Northern Baltic hasn't bought anything from a Republican firm in over a year when they were once our largest export partner with a significant portion of our GDP."

"Brothers and Sisters, the Northern Baltic Firm involved was building some sort of training camps or armories or weapon's caches for the Die Boerstaat Liberation front. And they have been buying weapons from another source to use against us. The Northern Baltic is assisting the Die Boerstaat Liberation Front. We have found too many bodies that are not the ethnic makeup of the Boers but more of the people on their continent, which I believe also includes Leocardia. They have been sending men and equipment, and building their houses for the Die Boerstaat Liberation Front."

The man started to cough from the intensity of his words and one of the guards stood up. He brought down his arm and his dark cloak fell back over his scarred appendage. The delegate began to shake uncontrollably, and was having a seizure. The guard took out a hypodermic as the other guard removed a bottle. They removed the plastic cover and took out the quantity of medicine from the bottle and injected it in a rather dramatic fashion straight into his heart. The shakes stopped and the man stood back up. The needle stuck straight out of his chest.

"You can see how sick I am, I was one of those who tried to open a barracks up when the gas came down on us. That is why my arm is burned, that is why I must take my medicine constantly because my lungs are just as scarred as my arm. And that is why I shake, my nervous system has been irreparably damaged and my lifespan cut short."

The delegate from the DBLF stood up. ¨I would first like to introduce myself. I am Cpt. Maisky. I am a member of the DBLF. I admit that the nation of Die Boerestaat was racist, but the racist policies were only reflected in a minority of the population. The government, unfortunatly, supported the views of this minority, and taught the youth of the nation the idea of White Supremacy. We do regret this. We also clearly recall the treatment of the Asian workers as Second Class Citizens.

Then three nations decided that it was in our best intrests to liberate us. The government of Die Boerestaat was overthrown. There was resistance to this, mainly from former government members, but it had not yet became major yet. The pro-government forces attempted an assault using outdated weapons on the foriegners. Most of us did not support the pro-government attack. The method the nations used to rid themselves of the invadors was most unfortunate: they used poisin gas. The center of pro-government forces had been in the capitol. Now the capitol was gassed, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

We were shocked. Several days earlier, we had viewed the nations as liberators, but now, we were afraid to even talk to them. The resistance now began to pick up support. After this, one of the nations decided that the best way to fight the resistance was to kill people. The people that were targeted for these killings normally had no relation with the resistance at all. Entire towns were emptied out and shot. Regardless of race. Regardless of color. We did want to believe this at first. Reports were very vague and the media said nothing about it. It was only until I saw the fields of the dead with my own eyes that I reilized the truth. It was not long after this that I joined the DBLF, or the NLF, as it was called those days.

We were moved into the North, into Sudafrika, to keep us safe. The move was hard for some. Die Boerestaat was all they knew and now they had to leave most of their belongings and move into a place they never knew before. It was about this time that a program was put into motion that removed any forms of technology from the hands of the people of Die Boerestaat. Everything from electricity to multi-story houses was forbidden under this program. The nation insisted it was for the people´s saftey. They insisted they meant the best. I´m assuming that´s why, when we staged a peaceful protest, the riot batons came down even harder on us, leaving many protestors wounded or killed.

As the threat of invasion became greater and greater, trenches were dug several miles from the river seperating most of Die Boerestaat with Sudafrika. An HQ was built as well. It was only shortly after this that 3 WMD´s were used against us. Thousands died. Many were women and children staying behind the front lines. This was not enough for the nations.

Their next step was to send over 20,000 nukes at our HQ. The HQ, due to it being saftly positioned deep inside a mountain, was used to house most of the women and children of Die Boerestaat family members inside Sudafrika. The anti-ballisitic missile batteries, many of them outdated, opened fire anyway. They knew their situation was hopeless. That no matter what they could do, enough nukes would get through to destroy the HQ. Thinking all of the women and children inside the base, they fought anyway, but in the end, the base was destroyed and with it, many many families were broken.

This is much for one people to bear. We have suffered much loss due to the violence inflicted on us because of the stupidity of a small minority of our population. However, I must share with you the greatest of our sufferings.¨ At this point, the speaker produced a bulky folder from his briefcase. He opened the bulky folder and dumped its contents on the table. After shifting through the contents for several seconds, he held a video tape in his hand. ¨This¨, he said, ¨is the story of a survivor of the camp that the delegate from the Republic of the Red Islands recived his wounds at.¨ The delegate then told one of his guards to find out where they could play the video tape here.

The delegates from The Northern Baltic waited until the speaker was done to respond.

The delegate from the DBLF stood up. ¨I would first like to introduce myself. I am Cpt. Maisky. I am a member of the DBLF. I admit that the nation of Die Boerestaat was racist, but the racist policies were only reflected in a minority of the population. The government, unfortunatly, supported the views of this minority, and taught the youth of the nation the idea of White Supremacy. We do regret this. We also clearly recall the treatment of the Asian workers as Second Class Citizens.

Then three nations decided that it was in our best intrests to liberate us. The government of Die Boerestaat was overthrown. There was resistance to this, mainly from former government members, but it had not yet became major yet. The pro-government forces attempted an assault using outdated weapons on the foriegners. Most of us did not support the pro-government attack. The method the nations used to rid themselves of the invadors was most unfortunate: they used poisin gas. The center of pro-government forces had been in the capitol. Now the capitol was gassed, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

We were shocked. Several days earlier, we had viewed the nations as liberators, but now, we were afraid to even talk to them. The resistance now began to pick up support. After this, one of the nations decided that the best way to fight the resistance was to kill people. The people that were targeted for these killings normally had no relation with the resistance at all. Entire towns were emptied out and shot. Regardless of race. Regardless of color. We did want to believe this at first. Reports were very vague and the media said nothing about it. It was only until I saw the fields of the dead with my own eyes that I reilized the truth. It was not long after this that I joined the DBLF, or the NLF, as it was called those days.

We were moved into the North, into Sudafrika, to keep us safe. The move was hard for some. Die Boerestaat was all they knew and now they had to leave most of their belongings and move into a place they never knew before. It was about this time that a program was put into motion that removed any forms of technology from the hands of the people of Die Boerestaat. Everything from electricity to multi-story houses was forbidden under this program. The nation insisted it was for the people´s saftey. They insisted they meant the best. I´m assuming that´s why, when we staged a peaceful protest, the riot batons came down even harder on us, leaving many protestors wounded or killed.

As the threat of invasion became greater and greater, trenches were dug several miles from the river seperating most of Die Boerestaat with Sudafrika. An HQ was built as well. It was only shortly after this that 3 WMD´s were used against us. Thousands died. Many were women and children staying behind the front lines. This was not enough for the nations.

Their next step was to send over 20,000 nukes at our HQ. The HQ, due to it being saftly positioned deep inside a mountain, was used to house most of the women and children of Die Boerestaat family members inside Sudafrika. The anti-ballisitic missile batteries, many of them outdated, opened fire anyway. They knew their situation was hopeless. That no matter what they could do, enough nukes would get through to destroy the HQ. Thinking all of the women and children inside the base, they fought anyway, but in the end, the base was destroyed and with it, many many families were broken.

This is much for one people to bear. We have suffered much loss due to the violence inflicted on us because of the stupidity of a small minority of our population. However, I must share with you the greatest of our sufferings.¨ At this point, the speaker produced a bulky folder from his briefcase. He opened the bulky folder and dumped its contents on the table. After shifting through the contents for several seconds, he held a video tape in his hand. ¨This¨, he said, ¨is the story of a survivor of the camp that the delegate from the Republic of the Red Islands recived his wounds at.¨ The delegate then told one of his guards to find out where they could play the video tape here.

The delegates from The Northern Baltic waited until the speaker was done to respond.

The delegate does not get up but makes one of the guards stand up, who quickly smooths out his trench coat. His voice is heavily accented, and his command of English is poor.

"Uh...my friends, um...delegates, my friend is unable to speak, and wishes to make a counterpoint."

There is much whispering and the sound of a few harsh words leak through. The guard is upset that he must do this.

"The actions of the nuclear attackers, were that of the Iron Pact members. While we do let others know we have tried to use Scuds to stall an enemy advance, but their antimissile systems, were very well commanded. So only the threat of them did they scare off away."

He leaned back down to listen to more whispers.

"We care not for the Pact Iron members, and if you have a problemed with them, you can take it up with them. But with us, we cannot be argued against. We have built dozens of cities up and up, and now the population soars."

He again leans down to the disabled delegate.

"This man here is a liar, or a planted man from the Northern Baltic. This man has probably never lived in Die Boerstaat before our liberation efforts. In every town, racism was institutionalized. He never seen the public beatings, the servitudes, the separated washrooms and eateries. He has never seen,"

The man paused and leaned back down.

"The, uh, dis-an-franchising of the native population and migrant verkers. The majority of the peoples in the Die Boerstaat supported this, it was as common as drinking water. My friend told you of the stares he got for being of a darker variety and how they threatened him if they thought he was one of the half men."

The guard continued to lean down toward the delegate to transmit his words.

"The poisoned gas they speak of, how we launched it is a half-truth. Gas was used, extensively by all the police forces of the world. Tear gas is no more unusual in controlling a racism riot than using handcuffs to arrest them. When they first came storming across into the camp we decided that it was a people's rebellion. We thought merely rifles and pistols were to be involved in this. We launched Tear gas to control the rebellion but soon found them with swollen with donated foreign tanks. Then we found them swollen with gas tanks and launching them at us."

"This is a covering up of their mistake of trying to use gas to control. They wish to hide the truth that they are monsters. That they are closet racists wishing to change the books of history to give themselves an advantage and overthrow a regime that is bringing their country into a new age of happiness and glory."

The guard sat down very quickly, he had no intention of continuing to talk. That was not his job.

Rasping words such as Bolsheviks! Counter-revolutionaries! and Usurpers! under their breath as delegates reveal their Leninist leanings, the Beddgelens are hard pressed to restrain the Celts amongst them, several of whom are keen to start a brawl.

"Oh, what is all this?" one delegate asks, "Are there really still nations relying on command economics and central planning? Are people still being condemned to such unnecessary hardship?"

"And what about this private enterprise in TWSP? Why in the world is this even deemed necessary?"

The Igovians were most disheartened at the evident lack of revolutionary energy in the room, and several almost put to sleep by the world's umpteenth account of nuke spam!

OOC: Arg to many conversations at the same time
IC: The DBLF Delegate, now slightly agitated, stood up again. ¨If you don´t care for these Iron Pact members, then why do you continue to allow their exsistance in Die Boerestaat?¨ The speaker then produced a gigantic bundle of newspapers and spread them across the table. ¨These show no word of complaint against the Imperialist nations or any event resisting the Imperialist nations such as the riots. Now, we will watch the video tape.¨

The video tape played and it showed the story of a survivor who lived through one of the riots and was taking into a Joy Camp. He described the brain-washing techniques and then described his liberation.

"And what about this private enterprise in TWSP? Why in the world is this even deemed necessary?"


"Because it protects the people's economic rights, as well enforcing their right to choose"

"Oh, what is all this?" one delegate asks, "Are there really still nations relying on command economics and central planning? Are people still being condemned to such unnecessary hardship?"

"And what about this private enterprise in TWSP? Why in the world is this even deemed necessary?"


Chancellor Visweswaran sighed heavily.

"Silence," he spat towards the Beddgelens. "We needn't hear this divisive talk. Socialism is socialism, and we socialists must stick together. I think I speak for all of us when I say that we don't need another 'go-get-em' upstart with a little too much revolutionary zealotry tarnishing socialism's reputation or driving wedges between socialist nations of differing sub-ideologies."

i hope i have not missed the conference comrades.
If i have then on behalf of badger_89's marxist party i send my fraternal and comradly greetings.
If i havnt then i will of course be sending a delegation along and look forward to networking with all of the other nations that uphold our glourious tradition

"Londy cowards." One Celtic delegate said to nobody in particular but with no effort to conceal the derision that he shared with most of his comrades in respect of British Londinium, which was now regarded in India as a land of ineptitude and submission.

"Socialism" said Vinge Dudley, "is not, clearly, a concept understood the same way around the world. In Soviet India we can not reconcile private ownership of capital or a lack of economic democracy with socialism. We are clearly correct in this. If capital is in private hands, you are not socialists. You can run it that way if you like, but you cease to be socialistic.

"We very much want to see progress. It saddens my comrades to see people labouring under misconceptions when liberation is realised for more than nine billion Indians.

"In Soviet India, capital belongs to the state, but work is managed by workers. Elected and accountable bodies set prices, lowering them to stimulate purchasing and discourage production, raising them to encourage production or discourage consumption. There are no managers save those elected by their peers and accountable to their workplace's Soviet. How can any socialist argue against this, or champion a system in conflict with such democratic principles? This is what we struggle to understand, comrades... I trust that you are all revolutionary comrades in spirit, even those not appraised of proper practice.

"We have seen that command economics inarguably do not work in the long term, though they can have short-term benefits if halted before supply imbalances corrupt the system. It is of vital importance to the world revolution that we not allow comrade nations to destroy or limit themselves by reliance upon such Marxist-Leninist principles and other like dogmas.

"It is equally crucial that we not sit idly by as comrades abandon real socialism and merely attach the lable to restricted capitalism in an effort to console themselves in defeat. There is no need to embrace the indifference of market forces, and no need to cling desperately to the sinking ship of command.

"Comrades, we are here only to cry for the international joining of democratic economics. There is no democracy in politics -not of any value- if the economy is controlled centrally or privately. Raipur is willing to do more than plead and menace, our League of Communists will sponsor those prepared to transition to true democratic, socialist, communist practice. Igovian Communism, realised in India, achieves both liberty and prosperity in the long term. This is not true in any nation where capitalism persists, and it is not true in any nation where central-planning remains key."

Obminious Gelatrix chimed in heartily, "All power to the Soviets!"

The delegate from Kilani, Luchan Krusov, stands. The tall, gaunt man is dressed in a business suit and he sighs as he brushes his hair back. Finally, he shoots a glare at the Norhtern Baltic Delegate. "What is the point of this discussion of Die Boerestaat? What does it have to do with Socialism in general? I believe the answer is 'nothing'! This argument regarding an old war is pointless. I move that this topic be dropped, immediately."

The delegate from Kilani, Luchan Krusov, stands. The tall, gaunt man is dressed in a business suit and he sighs as he brushes his hair back. Finally, he shoots a glare at the Norhtern Baltic Delegate. "What is the point of this discussion of Die Boerestaat? What does it have to do with Socialism in general? I believe the answer is 'nothing'! This argument regarding an old war is pointless. I move that this topic be dropped, immediately."

"The reason those delegates discuss here is to try to gather soldiers for their fascist government against oddly enough our rightfully placed socialist government."

Then Delegate Samuels turned toward the Beddgelert delegates.

"Surely my friends socialism as a whole means that the workers of the world, that includes all of us, British Londinium, Beddgelert, Kiliani, Republican, whatever, must unite. And work together collectively, without argument and property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. And we are the community, so any form of control of property and distribution of wealth controlled by the community of workers is socialism. You cannot just stick your definition as the only definition."

"And work together collectively, without argument and property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community"

The Beddgelens exchanged glances and gestures of befuddlement. What was that supposed to mean?

"Excuse me" said Obminious, "could you rephrase that? It's rather hard to understand. Socialism expects that the economy is communally owned and controlled. I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with us or brush over the failings of those who have not really put their economies in public hands. We are here attacking central-planning and private enterprise, and wonder if you are trying to disagree in some form."

"Londy cowards." One Celtic delegate said to nobody in particular but with no effort to conceal the derision that he shared with most of his comrades in respect of British Londinium, which was now regarded in India as a land of ineptitude and submission.

"Socialism" said Vinge Dudley, "is not, clearly, a concept understood the same way around the world. In Soviet India we can not reconcile private ownership of capital or a lack of economic democracy with socialism. We are clearly correct in this. If capital is in private hands, you are not socialists. You can run it that way if you like, but you cease to be socialistic.

"We very much want to see progress. It saddens my comrades to see people labouring under misconceptions when liberation is realised for more than nine billion Indians.

"In Soviet India, capital belongs to the state, but work is managed by workers. Elected and accountable bodies set prices, lowering them to stimulate purchasing and discourage production, raising them to encourage production or discourage consumption. There are no managers save those elected by their peers and accountable to their workplace's Soviet. How can any socialist argue against this, or champion a system in conflict with such democratic principles? This is what we struggle to understand, comrades... I trust that you are all revolutionary comrades in spirit, even those not appraised of proper practice.

"We have seen that command economics inarguably do not work in the long term, though they can have short-term benefits if halted before supply imbalances corrupt the system. It is of vital importance to the world revolution that we not allow comrade nations to destroy or limit themselves by reliance upon such Marxist-Leninist principles and other like dogmas.

"It is equally crucial that we not sit idly by as comrades abandon real socialism and merely attach the lable to restricted capitalism in an effort to console themselves in defeat. There is no need to embrace the indifference of market forces, and no need to cling desperately to the sinking ship of command.

"Comrades, we are here only to cry for the international joining of democratic economics. There is no democracy in politics -not of any value- if the economy is controlled centrally or privately. Raipur is willing to do more than plead and menace, our League of Communists will sponsor those prepared to transition to true democratic, socialist, communist practice. Igovian Communism, realised in India, achieves both liberty and prosperity in the long term. This is not true in any nation where capitalism persists, and it is not true in any nation where central-planning remains key."

Obminious Gelatrix chimed in heartily, "All power to the Soviets!"

Grand Commissar Cole of the USSZ stood up and smoothed out his Army uniform. "Our comrades from Soviet India bring up a good point. It clearly states in The Communist Manifesto, among other requirements, that the immediate abolition of any private property is necessary for a state to be truly communist/socialist. It also calls for the centralization of credit and transportation, which is vital in the USSZ's opinion to the formation of a socialist state. If the credit resources lie in the hands of private citizens, you're no communist comrade. Zintharia has been dealing with recent social issues in a manner so that these requirements come true."

He cleared his throat.

"Among other things, you need to have your social system set up so that even the highest member of the military addresses the loneliest worker as comrade and vice-versa. In Zintharia, we give out military ranks, true, but they're hardly used except for in official business. For example, I, Justin D. Cole, am Marshal of the People's Army of Zintharia, or PAZ. However, I address the lowliest private as comrade. It's not so much that its like that because of a law, but because the workers of the world need to feel united in their efforts to destroy capitalism. Marx said "Workers of the world unite!", not "Workers of the world, form socialist nations and then bicker over trivial matters while the enemy destroys you from without."

He bowed deeply.

"Thank you for listening comrades. It is always good to see Socialist nations unite under the banner of Noble Truth

Premier Kash Wilson the people republic arrived, he had something to say and needed to get it out.

Kash sat down he gave the other representitives a stare, he was the leader of NC not some ambassador.

Kash: Comrades, it has come to my attention that we have been defending for some time against our enemys that call us murders and the likes. But why is it that they make up the bulk of invasions? I for one am tired of watching our countrys fall. They invade, we fall back, i have endured for some time against attacks. I propose we go on the offensive, starting with supporting violent and passive revolutions, advertisement of communism, and yes even invasions. We don't need to be bullied, its our turn to push back, and bring back our rightful position in this world. I can't dictate to you, but I think that this would help us. We should band to form one alliance that every red country be defended, it is the only way we can secure our freedom. It will be difficult, but i know it is possible to unite.

"We need to know behind what we are uniting!" A Celtic woman cried.

"Yes!" Said Dudley, "The Soviet Commonwealth is all for the spreading of revolutionary liberty, but we will only create more problems, conflicts, counter-revolutions if we do not first come to some sort of understanding as comrades around the world.

"Our famous comrade Graeme Igo, known unofficially as Grandfather of the Indian (and Igovian) Revolution, is presently drafting a work on communism to be published in coming weeks, and it is our hope that some of the key provisions in this work shall be adopted as canon by the credible socialist movements of the world. These movements, and those in like mind, will receive all the support that nine-some billion Indians can give them, you may believe that in security."

"We need to know behind what we are uniting!" A Celtic woman cried.

"Yes!" Said Dudley, "The Soviet Commonwealth is all for the spreading of revolutionary liberty, but we will only create more problems, conflicts, counter-revolutions if we do not first come to some sort of understanding as comrades around the world.

"Our famous comrade Graeme Igo, known unofficially as Grandfather of the Indian (and Igovian) Revolution, is presently drafting a work on communism to be published in coming weeks, and it is our hope that some of the key provisions in this work shall be adopted as canon by the credible socialist movements of the world. These movements, and those in like mind, will receive all the support that nine-some billion Indians can give them, you may believe that in security."

"We believe the discussion on what socialism should be, what it is, and the eventual outcome of communism will be shouldn't be discussed with such ferocity until socialism and/or communism becomes the philosophical vision statement of all the nations of the world. Then we can bicker about various talking points and such."

"And from there we can move to the glorious future of Utopian communism."

To: Host of World Socialist Conference
From: Central Prestonian Democratic Socialist Party Headquarters
Subject: Delegate

Central Prestonia has a delegate interested in attending. Marcus Combs, the head of the Democratic Socialist Party of Central Prestonia would like to hear the opinions of other nations on socialism. While our nation is not expressly socialist, we believe strongly in social welfare and Mr. Combs is considered a strong candidate for President in the upcoming elections. We therefore ask the host nation's permission to attend the conference.

"We need to know behind what we are uniting!" A Celtic woman cried.

"Yes!" Said Dudley, "The Soviet Commonwealth is all for the spreading of revolutionary liberty, but we will only create more problems, conflicts, counter-revolutions if we do not first come to some sort of understanding as comrades around the world.

"Our famous comrade Graeme Igo, known unofficially as Grandfather of the Indian (and Igovian) Revolution, is presently drafting a work on communism to be published in coming weeks, and it is our hope that some of the key provisions in this work shall be adopted as canon by the credible socialist movements of the world. These movements, and those in like mind, will receive all the support that nine-some billion Indians can give them, you may believe that in security."

Leader of the USSZ Justin D. Cole pulled the canteen away from his lips and cleared his throat.

"How exactly would the socialist nations of the world obtain a copy of this work? The United Socialist States of Zintharia would be proud to disperse it to the Zintharian Worker's Party and enlighten the working man further as to the nature of socialism and communism. Zintharians feel a need to progress our Noble Cause, and are willing to do anything for it."

He coughed.

"On the subject of starting offensives into capitalist countries Mr. Kash, we need to unite the socialist nations and stop bickering with each other before we can even think of doing that. A man cannot fight his enemies if he is fighting himself."

Kash: You are right, we need to unite first, we need to put aside these dumb little arguments and do what lenin would have wanted, listen we are red and should be proud, so we must stand together not divided, it makes no sense.

Comrade Cole of the USSZ once again replied from his chair, shuffling papers on the desk in front of him.

"That's exactly what I meant to say, Mr. Kash. We should be proud of our socialist governments, and Zintharia is proud to stand with our comrades against the imperialist pig-dog capitalists."

"Now, I would like to mention something. we all say we're willing to unite under a single banner, but we haven't done that. Therefore, I suggest that all of the socialist nations in the world that are in extremely small regions join a larger region, such as the NSCP or the AoSS, to name just two."

Kash: Well all small nations should come to the Sons of Lenin, we grow our younger nations, all larger ones should report to the larger regions.

Kash: You are right, we need to unite first, we need to put aside these dumb little arguments and do what lenin would have wanted, listen we are red and should be proud, so we must stand together not divided, it makes no sense.

"Moving to a single region won't mean anything. What we need to do is create a real alliance, an alliance made of the steel of the industrial worker, and fed by the grains of the farmer. We need to raise the hammers and sickles of the world, and have them come crashing down on those who wish to oppose us."

"But to do this we must be crafty. You see many nations proclaim themselves as not as the socialists they are, but anticommunists or something of that sort. We must bring them to the light, but in a manner that will not offend. We need to put a new face on us. I suggest we start a propaganda campaign, telling people about the milder face of socialism. Protecting the weak, welfare, public schools, then when everyone rides under the banner of socialism proudly, we can declare ourselves victorious."

Kash grined it it just might happen: Your thinking just like me, that is what we need to do, start one new alliance, an new alliance, fuled by the worker and farmer. By god, the world wont push over again.

Fletcher was becoming increasingly bored with the inane whining of the assorted communist and socialists in the room. His sour mood was worsened when he was handed the message from Brayton that communist terrorists had attempted to assasinate Commerce Minister Burke but had failed miserably. Fletcher and Tyles were to leave the conference immediately and return home to join in the hunt for those responsible.

Fletcher stood up rather unceremoniously and exited the room. Within minutes he and Lyles were aboard their jet and bound for Brayton. The first thing Fletcher would do upon arrival was take a nice, long shower, he felt dirty after being around so many communists for two days.

Kash got a peice of paper from one of his assistants, he read it.

Kash: Ladies and gentlemen, I believe you will recognise my tactics as acceptable, I have just recieved word the country of Wanderjar is going to split into two sides, one supporting us, this is the burst we needed, i suggest every socialst nation that can get involved.

"Moving to a single region won't mean anything. What we need to do is create a real alliance, an alliance made of the steel of the industrial worker, and fed by the grains of the farmer. We need to raise the hammers and sickles of the world, and have them come crashing down on those who wish to oppose us."

"But to do this we must be crafty. You see many nations proclaim themselves as not as the socialists they are, but anticommunists or something of that sort. We must bring them to the light, but in a manner that will not offend. We need to put a new face on us. I suggest we start a propaganda campaign, telling people about the milder face of socialism. Protecting the weak, welfare, public schools, then when everyone rides under the banner of socialism proudly, we can declare ourselves victorious."

"Yes, that's a perfect idea comrade. Create a unified propaganda alliance to counter the workings of the Corporate Conservative and others like them by showing the truth. Show them the strength of the People's will , and they will realize that it alone is the answer .We can call this campaign The Face of the New Worker " replied Comrade Cole.

"Yes, that's a perfect idea comrade. Create a unified propaganda alliance to counter the workings of the Corporate Conservative and others like them by showing the truth. Show them the strength of the People's will , and they will realize that it alone is the answer .We can call this campaign The Face of the New Worker " replied Comrade Cole.

"We must expound upon the positives of socialism, things so ubiquitous that people will have to either remove it, alienating their population or accept they are."

"Lets get a list going: Welfare, Unions, Public Schools, Income taxes, what else?"

"Yes, that's a perfect idea comrade. Create a unified propaganda alliance to counter the workings of the Corporate Conservative and others like them by showing the truth. Show them the strength of the People's will , and they will realize that it alone is the answer .We can call this campaign The Face of the New Worker " replied Comrade Cole.

Grigori Romanov of Gryerhan stood to his feet, went through the process of smoothing out his coat and adjusting his hat, then spoke. "I wholly agree with this plan. By proving that socialism is not such a backwards system as our less-enlightened 'friends' believe, we will be taking a large step in the right direction I think." He looked around and asked, "How exactly will we be distributing this message? It's not as if we can send out videos or put adds in the magazines, no?"

"But we are already there!" Says Vinge as the Leafanistani finishes talking about a utopian future. "Come and have a look at life in a Pantisocratic Phalanstery in the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert if you do not believe it.

"Our people are amongst the 0.1% best educated on earth, our economy is well inside the top half percentile in terms of growth-rate, there are more than nine billion of us, our freedoms are lauded whenever a foreigner visits. Move towards communism? No, this is, if anything, a counter-revolutionary idea. I must quote Graeme Igo even before his latest work is published, 'If you want socialism, live socialist! If you want communism, raise a commune!'."

"Marxists." Scoffs Gelatrix. "Marxists won't ever even agree on a plan, let alone build something. Marx never laid-out how anything was to be done, just compiled a well-crafted list of pre-existing complaints, and so Marxists, loyal to their canonised icon, refuse to do what he has not told them to do. Perhaps they wait for the Second Coming of Karl?"

A couple of Beddgelens chuckled in their seats. One delegate was asking a comrade to make note of the Zintharians, a people new to the Gelert Sentinels Intelligence Co-operative, because, perhaps, they were taken by the Beddgelens as being nearly alone in maintaining some revolutionary spirit about them. Even if they were still sadly Party-oriented.

They were told, in any event, that Igo was drafting his work at the moment, but lacked sufficent computer access to share it with the world so quickly as he'd like, because he was touring a flood-struck area of the Bengali Soviet State and observing natural versus Soviet-oriented co-operation in the reconstruction effort.

"Idiots," said Chancellor Visweswaran to the Beddlege delegates. "Your pretentious inanity threatens us all. Why do you keep insisting that your system is the only one that works? Does it, quite frankly, matter? Does anybody here besides yourselves give a damn? I doubt it. This is a time to figure out how to unite the whole world behind the banner of socialism, not a time for fuckwits like you to complain about how we aren't 'dedicated to the revolution' or whatever. We need to get world to unite with us, and if you get handle that, then get out!"

"We can add to that list Law and Order and healthcare for one. Crime in Zintharia is exceptionally low compared to some Capitalist states, mostly due to the compulsive military service, but also because we're willing to put more money into that area than military spending or economics, to name some other important areas."

"But to do this we must be crafty. You see many nations proclaim themselves as not as the socialists they are, but anticommunists or something of that sort. We must bring them to the light, but in a manner that will not offend. We need to put a new face on us. I suggest we start a propaganda campaign, telling people about the milder face of socialism. Protecting the weak, welfare, public schools, then when everyone rides under the banner of socialism proudly, we can declare ourselves victorious."

"Exactly, we need not win the people's hearts with war and weapons, but by showing them the truth, showing them how we do care for them, and showing them the evil and unfairness (OOC: Is that even a word?) of capitalism"

OOC: Sorry, just got back from a two day holidays, and most computers I had access to just didnt like NS...

"Exactly, we need not win the people's hearts with war and weapons, but by showing them the truth, showing them how we do care for them, and showing them the evil and unfairness (OOC: Is that even a word?) of capitalism"

OOC: Sorry, just got back from a two day holidays, and most computers I had access to just didnt like NS...

OOC: MSN Now! Now! :D

"Idiots," said Chancellor Visweswaran to the Beddlege delegates. "Your pretentious inanity threatens us all. Why do you keep insisting that your system is the only one that works? Does it, quite frankly, matter? Does anybody here besides yourselves give a damn? I doubt it. This is a time to figure out how to unite the whole world behind the banner of socialism, not a time for fuckwits like you to complain about how we aren't 'dedicated to the revolution' or whatever. We need to get world to unite with us, and if you get handle that, then get out!"

"...fuckwits like you to compl..."

It was at about this point during Visweswaran's ill-educated and counter-productive outburst that Obminious Gelatrix drew up his full two-metre frame, sculpted by a lifetime of working in the fields around his home phalanstery and training since childhood with the commune-based Commonwealth Militia Auxiliary Corps, dramatically kicking a chair some distance as he strode towards the Chancellor. An adept Geletian wrestler who consumes 40% more calories daily than suggested as ideal by western learning but manages by labour to burn it all off, Obminious was not sparing with the force he put behind a combined strike-and-throw move delt to the Britannian.

"Oh, Hell!" Vinge cried as the Geletian temprement once more erupted in his comrade. Non-Celts in the Commonwealth must suffer the firey nature of their peers on a daily basis, but, being a foot and change shorter on average and less fanatically inclined to combat for combat's sake, there is often little that Tamils, Bengalis, Sinhalese, and other Soviet citizens can do to contain the Geletians.

"A little decency, and most importantly mutual respect, is essential in socialist relations, comrade." Says Gelatrix, looking down on the Chancellor as any number of people in the room dash to restrain him or, more wisely, dive for cover. "Next time you may expect to be broken in half!" But Obminious did not intend to continue his assault past the first blow.

"Look" says Dudley, trying to brush over the scrap as if this were a drink-fueled Soviet meeting in a Geletian roundhouse on a Keralan hilltop, "what my spirited comrade is trying to say" he went on, raising his voice and trying to ignore the din resulting from Obminious's attack, shooting a worried glance towards Visweswaran to check for signs of life and wellness, "er, is that yes, of course it matters whether or not various socialist systems work.

"We are here at a conference of socialists, if we can't discuss socialist theory and practice then I am very much confused as to our mandate.

"Gelatrix is very keen to see socialism work internationally, and is concerned that many nations are not yet up to date on the latest refinements to socialist thinking. This conference ought to be a wonderful way of sharing and progressing, and so he objects rather to our being shouted down when trying to impart the wisdom of our experience.

"Do command economics work? That is to say, can an entire economy be centrally-planned and prosper in the long term? Experience shows us that no, it can not.

"This leads many to retreat to the market and to shoe-horn socialistic principles into an inherently capitalistic system. But we wish to tell the world that it is not necessary. You do not need to keep the capitalists, you do not need the market, and yet there is no need to fall back on Marxian-derived centralisation and command practices.

"To those who already know this and practice something new we throw a salute, but to those -the majority- that do not, we offer advice based on experience. You can take it, debate it, leave it, or throw cheap insults at its messengers and get knocked on your arse by a giant highlander."

"If the Indian delegate could just sit down, then we would be able to continue with our conference.

Now, I dont support the Chancellor's insult, that's extremely rude, but I dont want any more of those outbursts or I'm afraid security will have to escort you out."

Kash: Shut up, why are we fighting? I dont care who we united under, but its the great fact that we are uniting is all that matters, Wanderjar is red again, lets use this to our benefit, lets find something that will help drive us forward.

OOC: Everything has been cleared with The Warmaster. Had this in the works for a while.

IC:
[Outside Conference Building]

The satellite broadcasting crew watched as their satellite equippment began broadcasting to the satellite waiting overhead. Each of them cringed slightly at the destruction they were about to unleashed on the unsuspecting socialist.

The backgrounds of each of the crew was the same, die hard fascist all sentenced to death for the murder of over one hundred socialist supporters during a clash between fascist and socialist supporters over a year ago.

Their mission was simple, destroy the socialist conference via satellite-weapon. Should the enemy go snooping into their background, it would become somewhat obvious that the operatives were 'from' The Warmaster, not from The Silver Sky.

The crew waited patiently for the end, consoled by the fact that they could take hundreds of socialist down with them.

Space, Star Fall Module

The 'Star Fall' was the payload stage of the massive Saturn-IV sized missile of the same name. Carrying over 40 tons into orbit it was truly a monster. The aeroshell had long fall off, revealing the 'communications' satellite in it's payload bay.

The satellite was really a disguise for a 15 ton tungsten penetrator/heatshield backed by 10 tonnes of HMX explosive disguised by light weight plastics in the shape of a communications satellite. It had the markings of a company from The Warmaster.

Decent sized boosters on the rear of the satellite fired and began to descend on the socialist below. They would show the world the socialism would not be tolerated.

OOC: Who is The Warmaster? And really, TSS, why? I for one refuse to acknowledge that because it does nothing but ruin a fairly-decent RP.

OOC: Umm, 2007-2015, the booster it's self is just a larger version of the Delta Series [looks like delta, bigger then saturn] with a larger payload module [can get to LEO but can't really get up to the moon.]

BL: The Warmaster is an 'ally' of TSS [secretly] and his government wanted to contact mine and get them to bomb the conference, which he would claim responsibility for.

And besides, it gives you a reason to spread the wonders of socialism.

OOC: What tech is that, PMT?

And if so, what time of PMT? 2007-2015?

EDIT:

Also, Double Post.

And yes, I think this will ruin the RP, as well as there being no reason for it.

OCC: It would kill important officials(but we could just rp they lived and abunch of ambassadors died), and we would definatly have a even better excuse for fighting.

Several hundred kilometres over the conference

The People's Cosmonautical Co-operative was no joker's operation. Its budget was greater than the gross domestic product of Japan, after all.

The movement of a TSS satellite directly above the heavily-observed socialist conference was immediately detected in Chennai, and it was not long before one of the on-station intercept-orbiters was dispatched to make an intercept.

From a satellite in geo-stationary orbit over the conference a unit detached and began to move towards the TSS satellite. It was a tiny device, a few inches across and damned hard to track. Shortly it was attached to the would-be attacker... and soon detonated, blasting the enemy satelite hundreds of metres off course, causing its ready payload to miss by tens if not hundreds of kilometres.

Down below, PDAs blinked with news of the attempted attack... and the Beddgelens shrugged and continued their work.

OOC: Yes, cause you know the 'satellite' wouldn't have course correction, and nukes suck in space, the blast doesn's spread far and EMP is non-existant. And the satellite is in LEO, the booster doesn't have enough power to get it to GEO, above doesn't mean directly above.

(Heh, I think it's a good idea. If you don't want your character to get killed off, you don't have to kill them off.)

OOC: Yes, cause you know the 'satellite' wouldn't have course correction, and nukes suck in space, the blast doesn's spread far and EMP is non-existant. And the satellite is in LEO, the booster doesn't have enough power to get it to GEO, above doesn't mean directly above.

OOC: Personally I think this is a good idea. And my character is far more disposable than he even knows. At nearly 35,000 kilometers above us even at high Mach speeds it would still take a long time before it would collide with us. The good news is that I've been waiting for something like this.

The guards had their earpieces buzz. The vibration signaled danger and the most literate one listened in as news came of a large communications satellite was decaying in orbit. The guards knew their duty was to protect the monk and quietly took his arms and lead him outside the room to explain the situation. They would most likely have less than an hour before its descent became irreversible.

The size of the object indicated to Red Island's command station in Xilanhot Mountain would not burn up properly and come down as a shower of red hot metal. They would have to board their car and leave for the airstrip they arrived in and do so immediately.

As they got into the waiting car a satellite linkup gave the monk the news of the incident. The television screen indicated it was a Warhammer based communications satellite launched by a Skyian firm. And because the satellite was still speeding up they could have at least an hour to escape. The car weaved through traffic, using its diplomatic status as a way to reach the airstrip faster.

In the meantime a transfer of 22 million USD appeared in the bank account for the Skyian firm.

(OOC: It was a terrible idea the first time someone tried it, and it was a terrible idea the next time, and the next time, and the next time, and now its just sad. Yay! Lets blast a conference and declare war on half the world! Lame, not outright ignored, just foiled in a care-free seen-it-before-and-its-too-unoriginal-to-dwell-on kind of IC fashion.)

Receiving a communication over his hand-held computer, comrade Dudley is able to state that Graeme Igo's works have finally resulted in the issuing of a compendium based upon his recent lectures on communism.

Vinge claims that the Beddgelen system defeats capitalism and frees humanity from market forces, dispelling alienation from one's work, without resorting to flawed principles of command, central-planning, or the dirty half-measures of so-called democratic socialism and toleration of private enterprise.

On Communism (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532748) is now widely available on-line and numerous Indian newspapers and magazines have begun to translate and publish the work for international distribution. It is already what young Beddgelens are taught in school, but now it is to be shared more widely in hopes that Igovian thinking can fuel a new wave of international revolution.

Sipping from his canteen, Comrade Cole isn't notified of the flaming hellfire about to rain down upon the conference.

An aide comes up to him and taps him on the shoulder.

"Yes?"

"Comrade, Graeme Igo has finished his book, and the Beddgelen government is offering us copies for the libraries and schools."

"Aah, good. Bring me a copy, I've been waiting excitedly for this since I heard of it."

"I've brought one with me Comrade."

"Hand it here then."

OOC: idea is kinda stupid, but i'll go with it cause i feel like it.

Having finished reading G. Igo's book, Comrade Cole stood up and addressed the gathered representatives.

"This manuscript by G. Igo is a masterpiece. The United Socialist Nations could learn a lot from it, and I recommend that all delegates who are present obtain a copy and enlighten their nation."

"As for the Face of the New Worker propaganda campaign, we'll need a nation to head it and others to help promote and spread it. The USSZ is wiling to aid in this campaign by donating any resources needed."

He coughed. "I will now open up the floor to any nations willing to pledge their support."

"The Indian" (sometimes substituted for Igovian, equally by fanatical Igovians and detractors from the Beddgelen system) "Soviet Commonwealth" said a previously silent Bihari women, hardly noticible amongst her towering Celtic peers until she stood and blinded everyone with her excessive jewelry, "is keen to co-operate in the spreading of revolutionary propaganda, and, in truth, the state considers such work as a joint concern for our education and aid budgets.

"On Communism we plan to distribute freely in the form of ten-a-penny pamphlets, but we would be glad to colour the work according to the tastes and needs particular to every nation that might receive it. Forwards, notes, and revisions written by foreigners more in-tune with the particular circumstances of a given market will be happily accepted."

"More generally" Vinge cut in, "the League of Communists will be willing to put funds into co-operative information projects. The League's pot is presently home to some tens of trillions of dollars, so a propaganda offensive is no great stretch."

"Alright then, I'll start taking up a list on my pda, which will send updates to the main USSZ HQ. Zintharia is willing to pledge up to 50 million USD. We would pledge more, but our economy is in a right bad spot right now. We will also aid in spreading pamphlets and getting the word out to the world."

"Any nations willing to pledge their support just state so now."
FACE OF THE NEW WORKER PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN

NATIONS SUPPORTING/AIDING
The United Socialist States of Zintharia
The Pantisocratic Phalansteries of Beddgelert
The Stoned Communists of Lach-Land
The United Socialist States of the Northern Baltic

the Stoned Communists of Lach-land is willing to engage in this matter.

"While I would normally love to launch a propaganda campaign or two, I cannot conciously agree to something that will probably just serve for the Beddgelertians to keep saying, and now to the world, 'Our communism is better and the only only that works!'.

Which is nothing but a lie, I'm sorry, but we'll keep out of this one.

However, if someone is interested in having a paralel propaganda campaign with a more humanitarian side, instead of just promoting their own ways, we'll be glad to join"

"Our own ways" says Vinge, by now half was as irked as his Celtic comrades, "are only our ways because they are -and always have been- correct. Of course freedom is the only right way. Of course total democracy is the only right way. If you oppose it, there is no way that you can avoid a fall."

The Indian woman starts again, "By your arrogance you do not only fail yourself, you fail those in your care yet to be really freed. You do not have to call your manner of living and relating Igovian, you merely have to relinquish any hold on the powers of others."

"It is foolish" says Vinge Dudley, "to repeatedly insist and imply that the Indian Soviet Commonwealth is out to force something on someone. We care only to force the weight of ignorance and submission from the eyelids and shoulders of all in the world. When is the last time that Beth Gellert invaded a red state and left it with Igovian in its title? Hm?

"You are a coward if you hold on to your undue authority and refuse to accept equality, something lacking in the World Soviet Party's quagmire of privatisation and command.

"We shan't be silent while injustice resonates from all quarters, so do not expect it. Gelert shall hound you until the masses realise their chance for liberty."

"Our communiusm" finished Gelatrix, "is communism because we are in commune. How, elsewhere, can any be in commune when some have in private powers denied to others, when some by their stubborn nature limit the potential of all? Nothing else is communism!"

A Dian speaks up - a woman in her mid 30's, long brown hair past her waist, a deep tanned german look to her.

Can any be in commune when some have in private powers denied to others?

That's an interesting question. For ICCD there is an executive branch, but the constuttiion puts each citizen on the common ground to uphold the Dian Constution and do what they feel is right.

Of course everyone doesn't necisarily have the background knoweldge to do the same task or aptitude. Politically of course legislating is another matter, also roles that only require basic knoweldge can be done by anyone with that basic knowledge.

For ICCD a burgois sort of does form because there are standards that only some people make, and there are some communication systems such as in the legislative branch that limit the number of people.

Of course ICCD has an ethical oversight with equal democratic basis via the primus. While total state ownership is a fundamental fact, each and every person has their own private life, where they make their own choices, they can run for government posts, and seek benifits the states provide.

Depending on who volunteers to society the most they get rewards thus having a private advantage.
While in need the state coordinates via emergency services and other government branches. In times of excess those who contribute most to the state or are most specialized receive the fruits, and they decide how to distribute their excess - while it is the state and the people that decided that this is the best method to encourage drive in society as a means of reward.


So while everything is state owned the functions of the state differ, because we organize with different roles, and people do different things. While there is private management there is not private ownership - but there is private use if no one objects.

Even with state ownership it is still 'BEST USE' Individiuals are given resources to aid them in 'free market assosiation' thus a form of capitalism exists, but the state retains right to access those resources if they are needed - as in a capitalist society via expropriation.

we need a universal communism propaganda campaign

((sorry, got back from a vacation and then dove right into my college classes. To begin, I would like to say that there is no cause for infiltration... it's just stupid to infiltrate something anyone, regardless of political ideology can attend, the only condition is that NO CORPORATE ENTITY is allowed, Fascists are welcome, so are capitalists, However, Only Socialist Nations Of Some Varying Degree Of Alignment Were Actually Invited. You're welcome to attend regardless of invitation, but you might not know or care about it.

As for the Nuke, I will not allow it, and RP will continue as if it never happened. While the post was well written, and I admire you for having reason and taking the time to make your post educated and with a full vocabulary, I will not tolerate an unannounced, unprovoked nuclear attack upon my country. No PM was sent to me and I was not contacted, as the rules state, further this will only serve to ruin the RP and derail the thread. However you're more than welcome to actually attend, or, in a separate thread, collaborate with rogue Zhyolatskan Fascists, as before our revolution, the elected regime was a Fascist one. and I would very much so find it interesting to have a thread with a smaller scale attack, a bombing or attempted coup. We have no true standing army, we have guerrillas who are still armed numbering a pitiful 12,000 strong, and If you're interested, PM me.

IC:
A bearded man in military fatigues wearing a beret, an ex-KGB leader who organized the military aspect of the revolution, and currently a very key figure in the RIAZ (Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Zhyolatska), scoffs at the crowd and rests his hand on his Lefanistani pistol. "Please comrade, do something before I end this infighting myself" he says in a whisper to Illyusha Verkhotsov. The man hailed as the hero of the revolution in Zhyolatska, the man who usually winds up handling international affairs himself, rises and strangely begins to sing (http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/download.php?fname=dairuku) in russian.

When he finishes he turns to address the assembly and speaks keeping a calm manner. "My father taught me that song as a boy, Give me your hand, far comrades is it's name. It speaks of workers in revolution being united by purpose, and in struggle they are one. It speaks of how the comrades should join hands and unite, that a peaceful future will not be far off if they unite. A lesson it disgusts me to know we lack."

"From our Capitalist guests, I would have expected such childish arguing, but look at you, arguing over "communism" and "revolution" and our Grandfather Lenin. Let us tell you this. The soviet regime was a brutal one, one which this world needs no part in. Our people were starved, brutalized, a genocide was committed upon my brothers and sisters in the name of "communism" this was the Holodomor. But we have learned to move past that, we see the leftist ideologies for what they stand for, not how they were put into practice. We even have a role model to look up to. The great hero Makhno. Who valiantly fought off both the red and white armies to preserve the idea of a free society. He met with failure."

"Then there is lenin, a man put into power by imperialist germans, who arrived in Moscow after the proletariat had already, without him, become aware of their class status and committed an act of revolution. He took hold of this revolution though, and guided it, he led the revolution to succeed, and it is for this we will remember him, it is for this that he will be "Grandfather Lenin" to all true sons of the revolution."

This is the popular opinion here, and we are not even communists, we are Makhnovists! Ultimately our goal is to see a society liberated from the struggle between classes, to have a society of mutual exploitation rather than exploitation of the many by the one. We will vary in our goals, but we must keep true our ideas of the revolution.

This being said, there are a great many issues of importance to be dealt with. If you seek a union of comrades and fellows, come to the GUSN, it is our answer to NATO. as for spreading awareness of "communism" bear in mind this is a socialist conference, not a communist conference. We welcome all of our left aligned brothers, from autonomists, to anarchists. However, alack of knowledge does seem to exist in this modernized world, to combat an awareness campaign to help differentiate between Capitalist pejoratives and the ideas themselves would be fare more effective and ethical than any intentional manipulation of the Proletariat.

We would like to propose, in addition to the awareness campaign, exchange programs with perhaps foreign students. I hear the Americans have youth who fancy themselves leftist, then let us show them what it is to disavow capitalism! this will only serve to assist us in providing a supportive international community and make our movements more aware to the workers. What must be chiefly done though, is to remove the misconceptions left byt he cold war on the first world countries. If they try to combat our viewpoints, show them Our country. Zhyolatska is free of classes and we lack government, we are without law but we embody the revolutionary spirit of the people.

We must make no effort to shy away from the arts either. we should do our part, as socialist countries of like mind, to provide our talented artists with the means to be able to survive in a globalized world, without selling their souls into corporatistic enterprises.What we propose is a sort of collective that functions as a non-profit driven company. this would allow our arts to be published in the first world.

We will also push for embassies of some form to be made. Having close ties withat he soviet Indians, we will ask that they kindly proceed to build an embassy in our territory. To everyone else, we are at a conference, a gathering, we are adults and revolutionaries, let us not be childish counter-revolutionaries.

"The misconceptions held in former Second World countries are often deeper than those that dominate the First." Says Vinge Dudley. "Their people suffered directly under the misrule of the usurpers, from Le... from Stalin to Ceauşescu, Khrushchev to Hoxha." He insisted, deciding at the last second to avoid conflict at a critical juncture and leave aside the majority view in Soviet India that Lenin was as much a destructive force as anyone could be (Lenin's works, such as Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder are popular in most of India only as joke material and propaganda against Bolshevism and vanguardism). Of course signs of his alternate legacy remain, especially in areas such as Bengal, where noted Soviet Consul Leninya Bopara is far from alone in sharing that given name.

"Yes, we must destroy the legacies of Bolshevism, of Party-oriented socialism and of vanguardist revolutions that have lead only to the raising of new elites, like all the revolts of the ancients."

OOC: I lived in China in '94. I won't butt in unless anyone wants me to end this argument in the favour of democracy REAL fast. Send me a TG. As a teaser - I was 7 years old and lived very close to a 'sports' stadium.

Who are all these countries and people they're talking about? Matthew thought to himself.

His head hurt.

And then he left.

Mrs. Gulsar received a message from the Northern Baltic government. A revolution has sprung up and being Head of the Foreign Relations Council, she needed to get back to the Northern Baltic to direct the meeting on the revolution. She stood up and spoke into the microphone, 'I regret to inform this council that the delegates from the Northern Baltic and the DBLF have an urgent meeting on events we could not foresee. However, I would like to let the Indian Soviet Delegation know that we would like to pledge $500,000,000 and would also like to purchase 10,000 books for our public libraries. We would also be interested in supporting our Comrades in Zhyolatska." The delegates picked up their briefcases and walked out of the room, escorted by guards. The DBLF delegate and his guards followed.

However, if someone is interested in having a paralel propaganda campaign with a more humanitarian side, instead of just promoting their own ways, we'll be glad to join"

Comrade Cole cleared his throat. "That's exactly what we're trying to do Comrade. We're not promoting one country's ideals or saying that they're correct, we're just trying to show nations opposed to Socialism our strengths."

"Furthermore, what I said about G. Igo's book was not an order, so feel free to not endorse Beddgeletian ideals anytime, we don't really care."

"I would like to address what our fine Comrade from Zhyolatska brought up. Comrade, we are not committing this campaign in the name of Communism. We are doing it to show the strengths of the Worker in the modern world. My country tries not to endorse one theory over another. For instance, I am a Leninist, but my country is not. Just because the Marshal of the USSZ is a Leninist does not mean the entire Zinthari nation is."

He sat back down again.

@ googlewoop: I think most people here recognize that democracy is a blessing to the world, we're leftists, not fascists, unless someone here is pulling a reverse Skgorria, hence why most of our countries IC hold elections, in the case of Beth Gellert, there are levels of democratic elections to create a nation run by an administrative system, people elect others to levels of different soviets, giving them varying levels of power, or so I think is the case? In my country though, there is total democracy, decentralized government, voting isn't representative it is consensus. Regardless all debates on this should be made to be IC.

Speaking of which..

IC:
We regret to hear that the delegates of the USSNB must depart, however, your involvement in the Global Union of Socialist Nations will allow for continued diplomatic relations. To our Indian comrades, Stalin was indeed a vile man, as are all the vile dictators and abusers of the working people. Such is why we will join you in resisting the wrongs of "of Bolshevism, of Party-oriented socialism and of vanguardist revolutions". We already support revolutions elsewhere and would be interested in working closer together with you to accomplish goals of helping the oppressed elsewhere. Will anyone here join us in supporting the revolution of the proliteriat?

"Zintharia will aid in the liberation of oppressed masses. Currently members of the 13th Spetsnaz Airborne unit are aiding in the Communist rebellion in Verenburg. We will provide aid in the form of money, weapons, food, or developmental aid."

Encouraged after a bout of collective depression, the Beddgelens will take little time in filling The Northern Baltic's library order.

The Commonwealth plans to put some funds into printing material documenting the successes of the revolution in India, where billions have been raised from abject poverty, and where the land once globally infamous as a famine hot-spot under British rule now produces enough to meet the needs of all citizens. Likewise where a strong economy has sustained two decades of constant growth and those who choose to work harder or those with a talent are able to acquire luxuries without anyone else suffering in payment.

The hope is to first inspire the down-and-out to fight for change that can be demonstrated as attainable, and second to quash fears of, 'levelling-down' that some say is implicit in socialist economics.

The recent extension of developmental help to Zintharia (OOC: See On Communism thread, by the way!), say the Soviet delegates, is an example of the left getting its own house in order before rushing out to bring revolution to the neighbours.

The embrace by many nations here of genuine socialism and democracy, and the preparedness to give mutual help, says Gelatrix, is a wonderful example to the world.

...And something that all the weight of international reaction would struggle to break.

In response to assiting in a revolution of the proletariat.

ICCD is always willing to support the establishment of democratic rule, and hope that as a means of the culture and will of the people that they will create a system that aims to benifit all of society not just one subject class.

We strongly support a well minded government, that is supported by the people, and a people that has a means to on an equal baiss have the oppourtunity to access to government.


ICCD does however beleive in organization, without organization and openness of ideals an oppressive society forms. While society is a socialization effect, and thus socialist in good mind, we must not force people to be the state, they must have free choice and the capcity to bring their beleifs to the table. A non adapting society is one that cannot adapt to change - unless it is inhumanely perfect. Regardless of the -isms, a strong society is important, and open society is important, an equal society is important, puting no person bellow another in basic rights to means to survival and oppourtunity in the general public. While oligarcratic and popular movements are believed to be a means to specialization, there is no "right form" to force on anyone, every citizen of the state has the right to form their own government. While everyone has the right to enforce their law reasonably. It is that which has the support of the masses that will shine through, perhaps as an ideal to follow. We feel everyone is themselves the vangaurd, and society itself only as strong as the strongest wall, and as weak as the weakest link.

We wish well, if anyone has specific proposals they can contact our external affairs department - the Logothe's Office.

wow people shut up this is a world sociailist convention not a marxist-leninist or an anti-stalin or a goddamn democratic socialist convention i am socialist but i don't exactly believe in Parliamentary Democracy as such thus i call for a global position not biased to anyone type of commun/socialism for all propaganda and support

Obminius Gelatrix, one eyebrow raised and half a frown on his face, quietly pours from his flask a large cup of Geletian wine* and, rising, carries it to the delegate from Lach-Land.

"Here, comrade. This will blast away those cobwebs, and you can try again." He says, patting the delegate's shoulder in a somewhat paternal manner before returning to his seat.

*A traditional but non-standard concoction often infused with spices and various powerful narcotics, sometimes including opiates, and not diluted as Geletians consider 'western' wine to be. It is illegal in most nations that have bothered to review it, partly because it is produced in an unregulated environment, and partly because it kills hundreds of thousands of people every year.

Sacha Pushenko, the GUSN ambassador for The Free Territory of Zhyolatska, turns to the lachland delegate and in a rather irritated voice he comments: Please comrade remember that you are a diplomat, a representative of your nation. With all respect, do not act like a small boy. Our nation, the one you stand in, is neither marxist nor leninist, we are Makhnovists, please,we are already establishing a means of spreading a more unbiased view. We ask that you show respect here, or we will escort you out" he raises a flask to him: "Cheers"

Ilyusha Verkhotsov now steps up. "Thank you comrade, We would like to see the establishment of more media in our nation, our citizens are Deeply enjoying their latest issues of Gadar and World Soviet News, I must say we are rather impressed by Beth Gellert's creation floating cities, and somewhat worried at the world soviet party's invasion of Cazelia. As such, we would invite foreign news producers of fellow socialist countries to set up media in Zhyolatska, we also have much to trade. It is time we no longer hide, it is time for us to modernize, something all of us here should do!

((bump

Vinge Dudley stands to answer Verkhotsov, "Beth Gellert will be pleased to publish news information in Zhyolatska, if a few experienced workers can acquire the necessary visas or such. It is our hope that a branch of Gadar! might employ local workers on a profit-sharing basis. Local firms should know that Gadar! in Zhyolatska will seek the printer that practices the closest to Igovian socialism and give to such a firm all of its business.

"Reporters and investigators from Zhyolatska are quite welcome in India, of course, and if there is sufficient interest, perhaps an ex-patriot community, Zhyolatskans will not be prevented from issuing their own publications there."

At the words of the Indian, the collective representatives from zhyolatska, including the normally Calm and happy Illyusha Verkhotxov, begin to break into chuckling and laughing.

one of them, a middle aged, portly man in an old Tsigeika coat rises and speaks.

"Comrades, Did you not pay attention as you entered our country? Surely you noticed there was no border, much less a requirement for a passport or visa? You will find many in our country with like minded ideologies, Our people love this new thing called "Media" we crave it, the press, the news, foreign films. There is a lack of any such thing here. You will find it easy to establish a profit sharing of sorts, but our workers here function under different economic rules. you will still take some of the profit, but the rest will fall to our economic system. Our Karbovanet after the revolution became worthless, quite literally. it was seen as fake money, for we were a non-real nation. However, it has begun to build slowly. So there may be little profit to be had here.

As for your final offer, those who were expatriates before, were spread over the west, those who would be expatriates now? they are dead or have returned. And we mean all respecting saying in this, but future communities may be limited, as your state, to our people, seems oppressive compared to their current conditions... then again... There is one group of people, if you truly desire aZhyolatskan community. before the revolution many wealthy capitalists left, this is why our country was poor.

Justin D. Cole, Marshal of the USSZ, stood up once more to address his fellow Comrades.

"The Zintharian peoples have recently discovered Gadar!, and are very nearly sending death threats to the Zintharian Worker's Party HQ, demanding that they allow publishers to publish it. The ZWP likes the publication, as do I, and it is ready to allow a branch of Gadar! to set up in the USSZ."

"Mimicking my fellow Comrades, come on Lachland. The Face of the New Worker Campaign isn't opposed to any kind of Socialist theory. We allow the nations involved to publish information promoting their preferred practice in their nation. Enough said."

Before the Marshal of the USSZ could retake his seat, an aide ran up and handed him a telegram from MAJ Lonieda, Head Commandant of Foreign Affairs.

He read it with speed and turned to the assembled representatives of foreign nations.

"It has come to my attention that the Republic of Zakchinstan is mistreating its population terribly. While they are allowed to live and such, they aren't allowed to vote and are ruled by an aristocracy that walks on the workers. I recommend that all nations at this conference pressure Zakchinstan to grant equal rights to all. "

"i was trying to bring people down to earth with the whole 'we are all democrats and we will all support Marxism over Bolshevikism etc' and trying to prove my point about universal campaign for propaganda not alligned to any govertment i appologize for any disrepect taken it was not intentional nor directed at you comrade"

looks uneasily at the Beddgelert delegate and the wine before drinking down half the glass

Diplomatic Communication to Zhyolatska

On behalf of Chairman Benson and the Andaras SSR, I gladly accept your invitation to this world socialist conference, and I myself will be attending on behalf of our nation. We all look forward to positive discussion between socialist states in a global perspective.

Michel Andreas, Foreign Affairs Minister - SSRAD

"The United Socialist States of ZIntharia welcomes our Comrades from the Andaras SSR."

Cole coughed

"Are there any other nations willing to aid in the Face of the New Worker Campaign?"

(bump)

Once again before sitting down, Comrade Cole addresses the assembled representatives.

"May it be noted that Zintharia has opened its doors to other nations who want to install an embassy within our capital of New Leningrad. Members of this conference will be given almost immediate clearance to set up an embassy.

Simply go here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533776

To whom it may concern,

I very much accept this offer for extending a hand to me commrade, we as democratic socialists of Muradivia are proud to join this discussion and meeting and i ensure you that we will make a difference in this world, LONG LIVE COMMUNISTS ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

Let us unite once and for all, let us all join forces and conquer the fascists while we still can, this proposal goes out to all communists, we are the rightful rulers of the world, we were once prussians that took over half of the world why not do this one more time.

With great honor,
Murad (ruler of Muradivia)

"Comrade, I join in your sympathetic views towards Communism, but this is a Socialist Conference."

Comrades of the USSZ, we are already considering aid to the Tartarystani peoples, as we ourselves share much in common with them.

Comrades of Murad, you would do well to remember that few here see themselves as "rightful rulers of the world" we do not feel anything towards conquering anyone. If any revolution is to happen, let it be because the people will it such!

Which brings us to another issue, we should all come together and unite, regardless of our creed.The GUSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518682) will provide us a union for all socialist nations, not just communist ones. We have our answer to the EU, to NATO. let us accept it. The World Socviet party has even set up a headquarters (http://z6.invisionfree.com/GUSN/index.php) in his city for us. Here we can come together and unite on political issues.

What we need is to remain divided no longer. Here we can come together, organize, here we can help one another modernize,we can decide on ways to make our messages and ideals known, we can deal diplomatically with the capitalist world!

Let us remain divided no more, let us be comrades no more, let us become brothers!


one further question: Where do we stand on religion? Our own personal belief is that organized religion is a poison on the people, they may practice their faith, but it should be on their own.

Grigori Romanov was sitting quietly, listening to the conference when an aide approached him and bent down, whispering something in his ears His face turned pale, and he suddenly stood to his feet. He took his hat off and held it at his side. "Comrades... I... I am sorry to announce that... Chairman-President Alexanderov of Gryerhan has been.. A... Assassinated. He was shot in his office by several higher military personnel bent on destroying our peaceful, Democratic Socialist government. I have been told that fighting has already started across the country, and so I must leave to take part. Wish us luck, Comrades."

Romanov placed his hat back upon his head and walked out of the building, followed by his bodyguard.

(OOC: As of today, Gryerhan is no longer a Socialist government. So... It wouldn't seem appropriate to stay in this conference. Good luck, though.)

"I don't know if our comrades in Zhyolatska now, but the USSZ has already applied for a membership in the GUSN, and when I was last updated, we were awaiting approval."

"The subject of religion is one that I myself detest. It is the belief of myself and most of the Zinthari peoples that religion is a tool of the capitalists, designed to destroy intelligence and make the populace stupid."

"I myself have written several works about the evils of religion, but have yet to publish it."

Bump

"It should be known by all in attendance that I lost my position as Marshal of the USSZ last night in the election, and that now I am Head Diplomatic Envoy of the USSZ."

"The new Marshal of the USSZ is Major Mikhail Lonieda, the former Head Commandant of the Foreign Affairs Bureau, and that the new Head Commandant of said bureau is Anthony Martin."

"The new Marshal gave a speech earlier this morning on his priorities in his first hundred days. Reporters can hear the speech and ask questions here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12919970&posted=1#post12919970).

"Maybe Gadar! could do an article on it, eh?"

GCOMM Cole laughed, then continued.

"Also, the USSZ suggests that we should hold a World Socialist Conference every four months or so. I say this because we believe that the discussion which had started so greatly earlier has come to an end, and that we must call this conference to a close. Unless the host disagrees?"

ooc: this thread was awesome, but i think that it's died zhyolatska. maybe we could call it to a close and then decree that we meet again in two months, like a recess?

(OOC: Sorry, I'd love to post more, but I'm out in rural Victoria (Australia) doing gosh darn agricultural work so I can extend my visa. This leaves me little time or money for the internet, much to my annoyance! Two months to go, yet, then I'll be back, I hope!)