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Fuhrer Richtoff furiously scribbled down the last of his invitations. Each invited the Head of State of the recieving nation to Kampfers Stadt for a secret council. It was of the utmost importance. The recepient list was short, only Vetaka, Wagdog, and Honako were to attend. The latter was an ally of only Kampfers, but due to their closeness, the Fuhrer felt obliged to invite them. He mailed off the invitations. All he could do now was wait for the men (or women) to arrive.

USSW Embassy; New Theeb, Vetaka
Although not unduly hopeful at Führer Richtoff's invitation, Lady Uthiria Tóriel Lathíriel nós Farlond was pleased nonetheless. She'd become all to aware of the flaws in Wagdog's diplomacy of late, especially in the wake of the Hegemony crisis and The Fighting Stars' nuclear attack on Vetaka; and she saw the possible benefits to UFAN of a more compact arrangement within the alliance. One that, should more withdrawals like Kampfers' occur, would survive any implosion. Her country, adoptive and removed by thousands of leagues' space and ages' time from her birthplace though it was, deserved at least a try for such. Hence, taking quill to parchment as was her own custom for such things, she composed the following letter to be dispatched to Kampfers Stadt with all haste compatible with the proper discretion.
To the Esteemed Leader of the Kampferian People,

It is much to my pleasure that I can say I am interested in this meeting between our four nations you propose. Given recent events, both within the United Federation of Allied Nations and without, the idea of a smaller alliance contained within the larger makes much sense. I believe that UFAN shall survive, and even grow in time; but one must always plan for the worst contingencies as well as the best.

I am making arrangements to attend with Vetakan Foreign Secretary Perry Cox, a man who proved his quality to me when we stood beside each other at the lamentable San Diego Conference; weapons drawn, as we tried to restrain the absolutely abhorrent behavior of the various Londinian- or Hegemony-allied delegations present. I feel a great dishonor that we were unable to succeed, and owe him at least to attempt a more successful endeavor together. You've given me that opportunity, and it shall not be wasted; we come as soon as can be arranged.

Sincerely in Deepest Gratitude,
Lady Uthiria Tóriel Lathíriel nós Farlond
Deputy Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Greenwood Coalition
Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the Free Dominion of Vetaka for the United Socialist States of Wagdog

OOC: Honako is on UK time, so he might not be back on til tommorow. When he replies, I'll try to get the meeting going.

OOC: Or we can RP while we wait for Honako

1 Hour From Kampfers Air Space:

Vetakan Foreign Secretary Perry Cox had grown rather attached to the Wagdog Ambassador to Vetaka a beautiful Elven women known as "Lady Uthiria Tóriel Lathíriel nós Farlond" Cox was thrilled to here the pair where yet again being sent to a Diplomatical Meeting in a Foreign Country the two had like many Vetakans and Wagdogians around the world had developed a very close friendship and enjoyed eachothers company very much the pinacal point in their friendship had been when they along with their Bodyguards had been forced to draw weapons and attempt to seperate the brawling Londinian and Hegemonys from shooting eachother although they had failed the moment had brought them both closer together.

Now they sat in the main passenger compartment of very luxurious and highly customised Boeing 747-200B's that served as the Vetakan Air Defence Forces main VIP Transport Plane. The Planes where custom built to provide High Ranking Vetakan Politicians with a moving base and also the capacity to run the country from the Aircraft as and when required. White in body the Vetakan Flag was emblazed across the Tail and Wings the words "The Free Dominion of Vetaka" where written down the body. Under tradition Perry Cox's Plane as Foreign Secretary had the Air Traffic Callsign as "White Phoenix Delta" this also meant that Cox was the 4 person in the Vetakan Emergancy Chain of Command. Sitting opposite the Elven women he smiled as they discussed the subject of Elven Philosophy they where only interupted by the female Pilots voice coming over the PA:

"Foreign Secretary Sir we are 1 Hour from Kampfers"

"Thank You Polly" replied Cox

With that the Foreign Secretary went back to discussing the topic of debate sipping his water all he could was smile as he loved his time with the Wagdog Ambassador.

Up on the Flight Deck of the plane Polly the pilot radioed ahead to Kampfers Air Control:

"Kampfers Control Copy? This is Vetakan Diplomatic Flight "White Phoenix Delta" we should be expected? Request Advice on Landing Airport?"

With that she waited for the reply and checked the various instruments at its cruising Altitude it was such a beautiful sight to see the huge White Plane soar in the sky flanked by the its Fighter Escort that today consisted of 4 Vetakan FA-15 Cardinals.

"Roger that, White Phoenix Delta, this is control. In 15 minutes you will be entering Kampferian Airspace, and 4 F-19 Knights will move in to bring you home. You will be landing in the Kampfers Stadt Military Base, on runway 16B, and from there the passengers will be driven to the meeting place. It is a clear day, so your descent should be nice. Enjoy the views."

Fuhrer Richtoff began finishing off his preperations for the geusts. They would be meeting in his personal office, but not the one at his house. This one was his less frequented office in the governmental building. He wanted to make a good impression.

OOC: I guess I'm not important enough to be invited. Hmph.

The High Commissioner Mrs. Bourla Parkins did not ponder on what to do for very long. Honako was a nation of little allies, and if it was to create more lasting friendships she saw a meeting environment as one the best ways. Honako was connected to all nations in some ways, and although in some of there ideals and viewpoints and war etc. they may have disagreed with them, they always respected them.

And so a delegation was compiled - the head of it being Stephane Bois, Deputy Head of the Foreign Affairs Commission.

Nearby Kampfer Air Space

Miss. Bois was fascinated as to what the meeting would be about - what did Kamf wish to discuss with them? She knew that recently his ties and had grown greatly with the avid anti-communists in the New Prussian Empire - but with Wagdog in the room surely they would not talk about trying to overthrow countries who share his government.

They slowly approached Kampf airspace "Requesting permission to enter airspace and land at nearest airport."

OOC: Sorry for the rubbish RP, but I’m tired. You can just say my plane landed and get on with the RP whilst I'm asleep.

OOC: It doesnt matter. Wont start til tommorow anyways.

IC:
"Permission to land granted."

15 Minutes Later.......
"Roger That Kampfers Control we see the F-19 Knights. Hey Guys?" spoke Polly

With that the DMG built F-19 Knights formed up with the Boeing and the Vetakan FA-15 Cardinals cruising together they roared on to the landing airport. Back within the main passenger compartment Polly the Pilots voice came over PA yet again:

"Sir we have just formed up with the Kampfian Escort Fighters we should be landing in less than 10 minutes"

"Thank You Polly" replied Cox

With that the 2 Diplomats prepared for the landing although they felt they where betraying the Philosophy of Peaceful and Honourable Diplomacy after the incident during the San Diego Talks in which weapons where drawn with no disregard for Diplomatic Law Vetakan Diplomatic Protocal had changed to demand that even High Ranking Diplomats be armed as a result a VSIS Agent had now appeared in the main compartment approaching the desk at which the 2 Diplomats sat he carried 2 Lock Boxes placing them down on the table he opened them one of them held a HH-1 Handgun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12137831&postcount=285) the other an E-57 Service Pistol (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12281810&postcount=122) quickly and swiftly Cox began to check, load and holster the E-57 the standard weapon of the Vetakan Defence Forces at the same time her Ladyship did the same with the HH-1 once finished they both rose and walked into rear passenger compartment where 8 men all in blacksuits where loading and holstering weapons 4 of these men where VDF Diplomatic Guards the other 4 Wagdog Diplomatic Bodyguards smiling the 2 high ranking diplomats nodded sat back down and prepared for the landing.

Although not a standard weapon in Wagdog's use, the HH-1 wasn't unheard of in civilian ownership; and in any case Lady Tóriel was acquainted with this HH-1 quite well. "Hopefully this shall not have to repeat its service in San Diego..." She also regretted that incident; although in her original Age and homeland, such utterly undiplomatic behavior as all parties had shown there surely would've earned them a prompt eviction from the palace in question at Llang- and spearpoint, per a banishment from any Elven fiefdom of old on pain of summary execution if they attempted to defy such.

She looked at the picked four guards, Wagdian Consular Red Guardsmen as the diplomatic security for Wagdog's own embassies had recently been unified and renamed; previously having been an erratic mixture of Red Banner Marine Corps and Red Guard Military Police personnel. This new formation provided for the relevant skills of both to its task; and took care of the distressing number of varyingly-sized independent detachments which had been piling up with each new embassy, being specifically organized to handle such administrative peculiarities unlike the necessarily more-regimented line services. She knew they would serve as well here as at San Diego, even as she silently prayed to Eru the One and all the Valar that they wouldn't have to.

"A tragic sign, isn't it Mister Cox?" She regarded him with that probing gaze a curious elf could uniquely muster; at once scathing, and yet playful. "That peacemakers must bear instruments of war like in barbarous ages past if they are to accomplish anything?" She looked out the window, sunlight catching off her shoulder-length platinum hair as it fell and framed one pointed ear. "All things fade, it seems; even in an Age supposedly dedicated to making them anew..." With that, she trailed off into her own nigh-inscrutable thoughts while awaiting the landing. Her task: to prevent a key alliance at least from fading, lest it doom still more crucial things in its wake...

At the airport, Carter Mendel anxiously awaited the arrival of the diplomats. He was the driver assigned with bringing them in safely. His orders were to wait until all diplomats arrived before leaving. There was one limo for the diplomats, and one gaurd apiece. The remainder of their guards would pile into the two rear humvees. Though Kampfers was an odd place for a terrorrist strike, odder things had happened. Richtoff was pulling out all the stops for this one. The escort consisted of 4 military humvees, two in front, 1 in the back, the limo, and tons of policemen. It would attract attention, but it would be too well guarded to attack. It was a straight shot from the military airport to the capital, and all the roads on both sides were blocked off. A soldier stood every 50 feet on the rooftop of the buildings on each side of the road. There were to be no mishaps.

"This is Polly we are starting our descent now Sir. Everybody take seats and replace seat belts" spoke Polly.

Back down in the Passenger Compartment Cox smiled at his Elven Counterpart gazing at her majestic beauty the light seemed to fall upon her at just the right angle he was almost mesmerized by her eventually he answered he question:

"Indeed my friend"

They both sat down and within a few minutes the plane landed raising from his seat he looked down on the beautiful elf and simply remarked:

"Let us hear what Richtoff has to say?"

Raising from her chair they both left the plane and made their way down the mobile stairs followed by the Bodyguards out on the tarmac was a few vehicles approaching them Cox put out his hand, smiled and began:

"I am Perry Cox Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs of The Free Dominion of Vetaka"

In typical Elven grace the Wagdog Ambassador began:

"I am Lady Uthiria Tóriel Lathíriel nós Farlond Deputy Party Secretary of Wagdoggie Greenwood Coalition Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the Free Dominion of Vetaka for the United Socialist States of Wagdog, It is a pleasure to be here?"

Mendel smiled. "My name is Carter Mendel. I will be your driver. Whatever you just said your name was, you might have to repeat it to me a few times before I remember." He said to the elf. "I am not that good with names to begin with. Cox is easy though. I can do that. Right this way please." He showed the delegates to the car. The Honakon delegate had already landed and was waiting inside. After the delegates got in, each with only one guard, Mendel closed the door gently. He showed the rest of the guards where to go, and then climbed into the drivers seat of the limo. Slowly, the motorcade pulled out. Two humvees in front led the way, followed by the limo, followed by two more humvees. A motorcycle police man flanked each car on both sides, with a few in the front and rear as well. Finally, the limo stopped in front of an old building.

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"We are here," Mendel said, turning around to the passengers. He got out of the car and opened the door for the delegates. He led them up to the door. Two soldiers in full dress uniform (http://citypolice.tripod.com/uniform5.jpg) guarded the enterance. Inside the security was more sophisticated, but outside it was antiquated for the tourists sake. Invisible to the diplomats were revolving walls on the outside that had recently been fitted with metal storm cannons. Mendel lead them up to Richtoff's office, passing through endless security checkpoints. "This is as far as I go. Please Knock."

OOC: Since no one else has replied, I will. It is essentially a bump.

IC:

Richtoff heard the commotion outside, and called out "Come in."
He got up and opened the door. It was a pretty office, with modern furniture.

http://bene.com/benecom/files2002.nsf/Lookup/MK_660/$file/MK_660.jpg

Instead of the usual two chairs there were three more spread out ones. A guard stood next to Richtoffs desk. "Good day, my friends. How was the trip? Anyone like something to drink?"

OOC: I've decided to change my delegate to my leader. She's more of a character, stern, bossy, slightly cold - she sounds lovely. :p

Mrs. Bourla Parkins walked in and firmly sat down on the offered chair. It was comfortably to be on the ground - the flight had been shaky, and she had drunk much whisky to sedate herself enough to not vomit everywhere. She didn't get drunk, just woozy, though she hoped she did not smell of alcohol - it was not the best impression, though her perfume should cover it up she thought.

She wore a grey tight suit with a similar coloured shirt as usually, and had her thick brown her tied up in a knot on the back. She was average looking, and always had a knowing smirk on her face - after nearly twelve years of rule in Honakon the people had got quite sick of looking at it.

"I think I'll pass on the drink..." She said "It is truly wonderful to meet Richtoff" She put out her hand for him to shake it.

"It is a pleasure to meet you too ma'am." Richtoff shook her hand warmly, as was customary.

OOC: I figure we get down to buisness, cuz I know Wagdog and Vetaka might not be on until you get off.

"It is a pleasure to meet you too ma'am." Richtoff shook her hand warmly, as was customary.

OOC: I figure we get down to buisness, cuz I know Wagdog and Vetaka might not be on until you get off.

OOC: Sure, though I don't know what your business is, so you'll have to start.

OOC: Sure thing.

IC:

"Now," Richtoff began "lets get down to buisness. Some of you have a very good idea of why you are here, others a smaller idea. In essence, I wish to form a new alliance comprising of the four of our nations. Recently, I withdrew from UFAN as its weaknesses became all te more apparant to me. Keeping this alliance small will allow us to reduce inter-alliance clashes. I want this to be a full alliance. Econmically, Politically, and Militarily. This is not to say that you must join in one members offensive war. However, you should state support, and if the tide of that turns and they become the defender, then you should send troops to protect their homeland. New members could be added with the approval of all members. This would be easy enough since we all have similar mindsets. The details have not been worked out. That is why you are here. You are represnetatives of the Closest allies of Kampfers, the ones we wihs to form a pact with. Questions? Suggestions?"

Richtoff sat down, and began drumming his fingers upon the desk. He could be rather impatient.

OOC: Sure thing.

IC:

"Now," Richtoff began "lets get down to buisness. Some of you have a very good idea of why you are here, others a smaller idea. In essence, I wish to form a new alliance comprising of the four of our nations. Recently, I withdrew from UFAN as its weaknesses became all te more apparant to me. Keeping this alliance small will allow us to reduce inter-alliance clashes. I want this to be a full alliance. Econmically, Politically, and Militarily. This is not to say that you must join in one members offensive war. However, you should state support, and if the tide of that turns and they become the defender, then you should send troops to protect their homeland. New members could be added with the approval of all members. This would be easy enough since we all have similar mindsets. The details have not been worked out. That is why you are here. You are represnetatives of the Closest allies of Kampfers, the ones we wihs to form a pact with. Questions? Suggestions?"
OOC: If needed, you can just C&P my ambassador's name. It's what I have to do, whether from Word or another post, after all.:p
Lady Tóriel reflected upon the Führer's suggestions, which were reasonable enough. However, there were certain natural concerns which did present a question and suggestion both. "Pardon me, Leader; but you mentioned the 'weaknesses' of UFAN. Do you include the Prime Directive among these? I admit that it can be quite inconvenient, however that was very much our nation's contribution to the original charter; and reflected our overriding concern for the honor of both the alliance generally and its individual members in particular. Especially Vetaka, since when the Charter was in the draft stages they were still a Sovereign League and Questarian Commonwealth member; a source of probable conflict with our own GUSN membership unless the issue were suitably addressed. In the event members of this smaller pact faced political opposition in a crisis, would similar principles regarding mutual neutrality if no member could afford to withdraw alone and no unified position could be adopted apply?

I, for one, still believe that such an idea works. It can be difficult to apply, since both the individual withdrawal and mutual can be correct applications of the Directive in a UFAN situation, depending on the specific situation; but all the same it is far better than constantly having to fear mutual betrayal with no fair safeguards spelled out at all. Agreed, everyone?" She gazed around at Perkins, Cox and Richtoff slowly but not heavily; this wasn't any 'Elven Mind Trick' or such. Simply a diplomat and woman expressing her concerns about just what was being discussed, so she could question and propose accordingly.

"First, I agree with the mutual neutrality. It is perhaps the best way to solve inter-alliance conflicts caused by external alliance callings. The prime directive is very well written and should apply to us. Let me list my grievances with UFAN. First, it did not allow justice to be done. In the event of a nuclear first strike, such as TFS attack on Vetaka, Justice is not allowed to be done. Article 3 of the UFAN Charter is the heart of the problem. It, wether directly or indirectly, prohibits the use of nuclear weapons on anything other than military targets. No strikes on the government, industry, nothing. As a matter of fact, it does not even have to be a nuke. A simple bomb dropped on a civilian factory would be in violation of this law, yet that is commonly recognized as a part of warfare. Also, as time passed, I became aware of the problems of a large alliance. In such an alliance, the people tend to have differing viewpoints on issues. This can create even larger crisis than the one that already existed, such as in the Hatarian-Blub conflict. However, the prime directive is of great use."

"On another note, UFAN does not address the economic side of affairs, which I hope to include here."

Cox listerened intently to what was said taking into account all of the facts being tossed about he eventually came to a smile and began:

"As we are all great friends I will not lie the Blub-Hatarian Crisis was a total and unmitigated disaster for Vetaka and for UFAN the crisis shook Vetaka to its very core I mean damn we desended into a Rebellion shortly after the Hatarian Crisis. My government also understands the position regarding Article 3 of the Charter and as a result my Government would be prepared to modifiy Article 3 of the Charter to Justify appropiate Retaliatory Responses against Civilian Targets should the situation demand it the debate currently rages back within New Theeb as to whether following the destruction of Princess Vetaka should of responded with nuclear means. Richtoff would your Government be prepared to rejoin UFAN should Article 3 be changed?"

"I believe we would. Having said such, I would still wish to form this core alliance. It would be a way to maintain ties if another crisis did occur. Since it is small, we would be bound not only by oaths but also by friendship, which is stronger than an oath of loyalty. Also, the core alliance would once again have more economic benefits than UFAN." The meeting was progressing as Richtoff had hoped. However, he masked his feelings as all poloticians can do so well.

"I believe we would. Having said such, I would still wish to form this core alliance. It would be a way to maintain ties if another crisis did occur. Since it is small, we would be bound not only by oaths but also by friendship, which is stronger than an oath of loyalty. Also, the core alliance would once again have more economic benefits than UFAN." The meeting was progressing as Richtoff had hoped. However, he masked his feelings as all poloticians can do so well.
The next question was obvious, and so deserved asking right away. Lady Tóriel didn't balk, "What sort of benefits would you have in mind? Despite our economic appellation, and even limited elements of practice, we do believe in open trade; so that wouldn't be an issue. Really, it would be more a question of how we might accommodate your trade needs, I do believe." She looked at both Führer Richtoff and High Commissioner Parkins, making clear all were included. "Vetaka and Wagdog have had no trade barriers I can recall for years now; so we have an example of what can be achieved, I do think, differences aside. Agreed, Mr. Cox?"

Lady Tóriel queried him with another unusual air; didactic, but not really condescending. Yet another of those hybrid tones that apparently only Eldar could manage, and that when their equal sense of ethical absolutism wasn't in play. Indeed, to some her words might even sound... playful, just a bit? But then again, how could one tell given the woman's notorious ability to disguise her own meaning at any moment?

Cox had spent the last few minutes admiring his Wagdog Elven Counterpart he gave a warming smile to her and promptly answered:

"Whole heartedly agreed our Trade Barriers are practically none exsistant the only barriers are those of security. We in Vetaka are proud of our friendship with Wagdog it just goes to show a Socialist Nation and Capitalist Nation can come together and be the closest of Allies and the deepest of Friends. What Economic benifits did you have in mind?"

"Well naturally I would have asked for the removal of tarriffs. It seems that is already covered on your front, however Honako and I would still need to do so. Also, I thought about keeping lucrative deals within the group. Such as one nations buisness wants to expand. Instead of going to say TPF, I go to Vetaka because we are in this alliance. Other economic things can be discussed as well."

OOC: Im not versed on the ins and outs of economics... Someone else have an idea?

ooc: bump

Mrs. Parkins spoke slowly and calmly.

"This core alliance interests us – we need economic friends, as ours is slow. Though we wish to know about nations before we bind ourselves to you military wise especially. You seem to have become very friendly with The New Prussian Empire - I do not mind this group of nations, and I would happily pursue relations with them, however I am worried they may influence you in anti-communist/socialist and turn you into quite a warring nation, like, they are undeniably. We have already seen you fight one nation in recent times - for being oppressive I see. Look at our nations name Mr. Richtoff, and look at your position - are we really ones to judge? Anyway, my point has gone off a little, my main problem is - as Wagdog is aware (OOCly anyway), we are not a nation that jumps into wars, and I am concerned by recent military action."

"Other than that, we are happy to commit ourselves economically to this pact as it stands currently - I hope these talks go well, as apart from Aurum Domus, you are probably Honako's last remaining active allies."

Cox listerend intently before replying:

"My Government and I am sure Wagdog's would be more than happy to remove all Economic Barriers between all nations of this core alliance well all Barriers except those of Security Reasons. I am afraid to say Richtoff that I to am concerned regarding the possibility of your populace being influenced by Anti Socialist Ideals?"

Cox now turned to Mrs Parkins and began:

"Me and My Government understand your position on the Military Frontier of things after your War it is not surprising of your position after all Vetaka suffered a similiar Civil War upon our Independance from the United Kingdom 12 Million Died in 12 Months from War either way Vetaka has a proposition for you one that does not require an immediate Answer. Currently Vetaka via UFAN has forces deployed in Honako to aid in rebuilding that deployment is due to end however Vetaka would like to extend it we would like to base a number of Troops and if possible a battlegroup within a Honakon Port? Would this possible we will not hold it against you should you refuse."

"Ah, yes. I knew this qustion would arise. We do not harbor any ill will towards any communists or socialists, especially Wagdog. We have informed the leaders of the New Prussian Empire that should a war break out that calls Kampfers to its aid, Kampfers will not fight if Wagdog is involved. Also, Kampfers will not involve itself in any anti-communist crusades led by the New Prussian Empire. The only time war might be brought among one of us is if one of you were to invade a member of the NPE. Then Kampfers would be obligated to respond, although it would invariably be a smaller response than should a nation not in this pact do the same. Also, there have been questions about Kampfers and the ACA. Let me state now to clear this up: Kampfers never has and never will endorse terrorism. As a matter of fact we have gone to great lengths to remove these terrorists from the world. Let it also be known that only one of the known terrorists has Kampferian affiliation, and that because he was educated at Kampfers Stadt University. As for our recent war, it is quite fine, even by UFAN standards. Kampfers went to protect a peoplegroups rights. And we have not committed any war crimes. I see no problem with our affair with United Fundamentalism."

"Ah, yes. I knew this qustion would arise. We do not harbor any ill will towards any communists or socialists, especially Wagdog. We have informed the leaders of the New Prussian Empire that should a war break out that calls Kampfers to its aid, Kampfers will not fight if Wagdog is involved. Also, Kampfers will not involve itself in any anti-communist crusades led by the New Prussian Empire. The only time war might be brought among one of us is if one of you were to invade a member of the NPE. Then Kampfers would be obligated to respond, although it would invariably be a smaller response than should a nation not in this pact do the same. Also, there have been questions about Kampfers and the ACA. Let me state now to clear this up: Kampfers never has and never will endorse terrorism. As a matter of fact we have gone to great lengths to remove these terrorists from the world. Let it also be known that only one of the known terrorists has Kampferian affiliation, and that because he was educated at Kampfers Stadt University. As for our recent war, it is quite fine, even by UFAN standards. Kampfers went to protect a peoplegroups rights. And we have not committed any war crimes. I see no problem with our affair with United Fundamentalism."
"Nor do I, Leader." Lady Tóriel bowed her head slightly, honoring his achievements as politician, warrior, and freedom fighter. "Your cause was just, the enemy swiftly and cleanly slain. There is no problem to be had with your United Fundamentalism campaign, Führer Richtoff. And as for the terrorists of the Anti-Communist Army, we are pleased to hear of their outcast status from your own lips. Our State Security apparatus never seriously suspected Kampferian government involvement beyond the initial stages of our investigating these brigands, but neither were we able to obtain any definitive disproof of the suspicion all the same; until now."

And now for the big shoe to drop. "Know also that we are trying to discern how best to coexist with the New Prussian Empire, despite the difficulties involved due to our alliances' almost directly conflicting interests. However, we are not warmongers; if a compromise over suspected The People's Freedom suborning of Strator's renewed slave industries can be reached, I myself would draft the proposal and call for a conference discussing the matter. Might you know the degree to which The People's Freedom's ruling conglomerates require unpaid labor, and be able to perhaps conduct some economic espionage to find a way they might agree to some sort of new economic regime compatible with the Theeb Accords?" She had held it close, but that was her and her government's real objective in all of the recent near-clashes with The People's Freedom; obtaining or forcing a settlement regarding Strator, which would also ideally end forced servitude in The People's Freedom as well. And best of all, end it in a way that both the 'Almighty' Strator and President Bootch would end up thinking it was their idea to do so in the bargain. Well, ideally at any rate...

OOC: Wagdog, Honako, do you have aim or msn?

IC:

"To tell you the truth, I know very little about the status of slavery in the PeoplesFreedom. I can most certainly try to convince them to abandon the horrible trade, but nothing can be garunteed. I simply do not know enough about their economy. We do agree with you, however, that slavery is despisable and should be outlawed."

OOC: Nope. My MSN's installed, but for some reason it won't ever sign me in properly and just doesn't start up.:headbang: Flawed as they are, TGs are the best way to reach me at the moment, although once I register my mIRC I'd been thinking either me or Vetaka could make a UFAN alliance channel for alliance chat; yet another channel being available for this core group of course. Still, IDK when I'll have the money for that, so TG's it is for now on my end.:(

OOC: Nope. My MSN's installed, but for some reason it won't ever sign me in properly and just doesn't start up.:headbang: Flawed as they are, TGs are the best way to reach me at the moment, although once I register my mIRC I'd been thinking either me or Vetaka could make a UFAN alliance channel for alliance chat; yet another channel being available for this core group of course. Still, IDK when I'll have the money for that, so TG's it is for now on my end.:(

OOC: Well then check your TGs... BTW, where do you live if you don't mind me asking. Its late here in Texas and rather early for the UK...

OOC: Well then check your TGs... BTW, where do you live if you don't mind me asking. Its late here in Texas and rather early for the UK...
Replied. And I'm in East Tennessee, the greater Knoxville area as specifically as is proper on the boards. It's even later for me, so I'll be signing off soon, though V and IIRC Honako should be on soon. Anyway, will be off in a few.

Replied. And I'm in East Tennessee, the greater Knoxville area as specifically as is proper on the boards. It's even later for me, so I'll be signing off soon, though V and IIRC Honako should be on soon. Anyway, will be off in a few.

Me too. I got some shit to do tommorrow :(. If I am not very active next week, it is because my best friend is visiting from out of town. It is his birthday so I'm making him a cake and shit... but my whole week will basically be hanging out with him. If I do get on, this will be the first thread I hit!

OCC: i tged you wag

OCC: i tged you wag
OOC: And replied.;) Now, I'll let this pass once, but (if you don't already know) try not to spam closed threads; it's often considered quite rude and I know you're not like that. Anyway, thanks for the reminder.

OOC: Bump!

OOC: Bump!

OOC: Hmmm, didn't seem to work. Lets try that again, eh?

OOC: Hmmm, didn't seem to work. Lets try that again, eh?
Well, thing is I'm waiting for Honako and Vetaka to say something since I've already said my piece on the TPF economy topic. Should you TG them, or perhaps both of us? They're on UK time so they should be on in a bit.

Well, thing is I'm waiting for Honako and Vetaka to say something since I've already said my piece on the TPF economy topic. Should you TG them, or perhaps both of us? They're on UK time so they should be on in a bit.

OOC: if you could TG them that would be wonderful. I have pestered them enough about it for a while. While your waiting on them, here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530957 Like my rping so far?

OOC: if you could TG them that would be wonderful. I have pestered them enough about it for a while. While your waiting on them, here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530957 Like my rping so far?
OOC: Yeah, although of course this presents me yet more IC problems since I'm on Allanea/NATO's side against Doom in the Generian theater. But then again, Hotdogs2 is as well and yet he's also thinking of joining the QC side too, so here's to crazy alliances I guess...:p Anyway, I've TGed both Vetaka and Honako, so we should see them at least check this thread out.

OOC: Yeah, although of course this presents me yet more IC problems since I'm on Allanea/NATO's side against Doom in the Generian theater. But then again, Hotdogs2 is as well and yet he's also thinking of joining the QC side too, so here's to crazy alliances I guess...:p Anyway, I've TGed both Vetaka and Honako, so we should see them at least check this thread out.

OOC: Yeah, well doom isn't even known to be QC, but he is supposed. I am obligated to be QC by NPE, but, Automagfreek isnt exactly doing a lot for human rights either (UFANish). Also, I am really doing this so that they don't leave me out the next time they have one of these. I'm really trying to put my best foot foward for all the senior writers, because it is their opinion of you that counts among the NS world. But I remain loyal to you guys as always. Plus, aren't Questers and V pretty close?

OOC: Yeah, well doom isn't even known to be QC, but he is supposed. I am obligated to be QC by NPE, but, Automagfreek isnt exactly doing a lot for human rights either (UFANish). Also, I am really doing this so that they don't leave me out the next time they have one of these. I'm really trying to put my best foot foward for all the senior writers, because it is their opinion of you that counts among the NS world. But I remain loyal to you guys as always. Plus, aren't Questers and V pretty close?
OOC: Yes, indeed; although per UFAN that doesn't mean you'll see V in the QC side. I'm OOCly close to Questers as well, but our IC relations are positively frozen; V essentially having to be my go-betwen ICly. V got pretty disillusioned with the QC and SL way back when Clandonia was threatening TWSP over a plane crash and war looked ready to scupper UFAN in the cradle; forcing V to ditch both alliances or else face the possibility of having to fight me. V also has solid relations with AMF after he opened trade with certain Haven nations; just before the Clandonians decided to try their luck again with invading V in retaliation for his dumping the QC and SL, of course. As for me, backing AMF is just the most extreme example of my IC anti-slavery crusade, me playing the Machiavellian 'bad cop' of UFAN to Vetaka's ultra-righteous 'good cop' as we essentially conceived the two permanent members being.

Still, good luck where you fight, and I'll do my level best to stay out of there.;) My reasons OOCly are the same as yours; getting in the big game, challenging myself to rise to the veterans' level and all, all that good stuff. Shouldn't be hard to avoid your engagements either, with the Generia campaign looking as huge as it's set to be; I might have to focus all-in there for some months aside from diplomatic stuff and self-defense anyway.

OOC: My apologies for not posting at all Yesterday I was "Romancing" as ill call it.

Cox whinced at the thought of War with Communism although Vetaka was a Capitalist Nation her closest and Strongest Ally was a Socialist Nation as a result Vetaka along time ago had pldeged to bring both sides of the Spectrum closer together:

"Vetakan Security and Intelligence Service (VSIS) have been aware of the Anti Communist Army for a while now although our File upon them is somewhat limited we have taken steps to protect Vetaka and Wagdog from them would it be possible for VSIS to formally request the Kampfian File upon the ACA so we may boost our security measures?

My Government cannot allow Strator to re establish its Slave Industries we have invested to much time, money and resources to allow it be beaten into the ground, The Theeb Accords although not many people seem to be aware includes a Sister Document known as the Strando Protocal named after the Aunesian Capital where it was designed its aim is to Compensate Slave Trading Nations for removing its Slave Industries would it be possible for The Peoples Freedom to be its first signatory?"

Richtoff turned around to hsi laptop that was sitting next to him. A few taps, a few clicks, and out printed the ACA's report. "Here you are sir. Hot off the press. Remember, this is serious stuff. I want no leakage..." He turned back to the computer, and after a few more taps another article was printing out. "Here is the last report we did on the economy of The Peoples Freedom. Now, as far as I see it, they do not own slaves. Although they do support Strator, they do not have "slaves." Now, in their conquered colonies, they do have factories in which people are paid very poorly, sweat shops i believe they are called. However, they do not have "slaves." Now I do agree that this is bad, but technically it would exclude them from the article you described."

Richtoff turned around to hsi laptop that was sitting next to him. A few taps, a few clicks, and out printed the ACA's report. "Here you are sir. Hot off the press. Remember, this is serious stuff. I want no leakage..." He turned back to the computer, and after a few more taps another article was printing out. "Here is the last report we did on the economy of The Peoples Freedom. Now, as far as I see it, they do not own slaves. Although they do support Strator, they do not have "slaves." Now, in their conquered colonies, they do have factories in which people are paid very poorly, sweat shops i believe they are called. However, they do not have "slaves." Now I do agree that this is bad, but technically it would exclude them from the article you described."
"Indeed. This is a better circumstance than was suspected, since it indicates we're dealing with a better nation than our worst estimates had painted." Lady Tóriel smirked a bit, although thinly. That was about the best that could be said, for the picture remained grim overall.

"Still, the fact that they continue to support Strator, in effect suborning his slavery even if they do not themselves take advantage of it, is worrisome in the extreme. We should confer further on how to deal with this; since whether or not you resume Kampfers' UFAN membership, I believe we all agree it is in our mutual interest that the Theeb Accords are not subverted. This support for Strator by the Holy Reich comes close to such, and must be addressed somehow. Secretary Cox and I are quite open to any and all suggestions you may have," Casting gazes both at Richtoff and Parkins, "at the moment. We of course have time to deal with this in more detail with our own governments and channels if required, but all the same I believe we should at least 'brainstorm' as your kind puts it." Lady Tóriel was definitely feeling better, for that usage of hers had a distinctly playful ring; like she was ogling some treasure of old she'd unearthed somehow and intended to secret away all to herself.

I got nuttin... Maybe we can discuss this later, but unless Honako has ideas I say we move on for now.

Mrs. Parkins spoke bluntly.

"We have not seen Strator on the international stage in a long time, and would prefer to keep it like that. If The New Prussian Empire wishes to support slavery, as long as it is not practiced within their nation, we do not care if I am honest. We will support any diplomatic action to guide the Holy Reich's view towards a more pro-Theeb's Accord stance, though would not use it as the sole reason to fight them in a very costly war -" She paused and looked at the delegates "Not saying you were suggesting that we should. Slavery is a vile practice, though I'm not going to be hostile to a nation in this case because of their stance, only actions. Anyway, with the amount of international pressure that Strator got last time from opening up slave trading between nations and supporting slave trading in a highly public way, I doubt they will do it again, and even a powerful group such as the Prussians would wish to get that much hatred thrown their way surely."

"There will always be a few nations that will keep slaves - most will do it in secret, so it is hard to find out whom. Personally, I think the war against slavery can never be won - once one nation, say Strator, is cleansed of the trade, another may appear like him - but we certainly have the moral highground, and at least for now there seems to be little slaving nations around."

OOC: Honako did you see my request for a Extended and Larger Deployment to Honako?

OOC: Honako did you see my request for a Extended and Larger Deployment to Honako?

OOC: I dunno if he did, but hes offline now, so we can worry about that later...

OOC: Honako did you see my request for a Extended and Larger Deployment to Honako?

OOC: I have to write an essay, but I'll let you put more troops in there. IC reply tomorrow probably.

Mrs. Parkins spoke bluntly.

"We have not seen Strator on the international stage in a long time, and would prefer to keep it like that. If The New Prussian Empire wishes to support slavery, as long as it is not practiced within their nation, we do not care if I am honest. We will support any diplomatic action to guide the Holy Reich's view towards a more pro-Theeb's Accord stance, though would not use it as the sole reason to fight them in a very costly war -" She paused and looked at the delegates "Not saying you were suggesting that we should. Slavery is a vile practice, though I'm not going to be hostile to a nation in this case because of their stance, only actions. Anyway, with the amount of international pressure that Strator got last time from opening up slave trading between nations and supporting slave trading in a highly public way, I doubt they will do it again, and even a powerful group such as the Prussians would wish to get that much hatred thrown their way surely."

"There will always be a few nations that will keep slaves - most will do it in secret, so it is hard to find out whom. Personally, I think the war against slavery can never be won - once one nation, say Strator, is cleansed of the trade, another may appear like him - but we certainly have the moral highground, and at least for now there seems to be little slaving nations around."
"Unfortunately, High Commissioner, Strator has become more active of late; our mutual preferences notwithstanding." Lady Tóriel was saddened at her ally's poor state of information, but sympathetic since the incidents had been entirely diplomatic; easy to miss amid all the war posturing going on both then and lately. "First, the provocateur nation Greston tried to invade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=527177) Strator not too long ago upon the basis of old information pertaining to his original slave trade, which caused The People's Freedom to declare support for Strator ostensibly upon the basis of 'upholding sovereignty'. We suspect an economic motive as well, although can do no more; especially in light of what Führer Richtoff has informed us of regarding the state of Holy Reich's economy, for which we are again grateful." She bowed to Richtoff from the hip, indicating that his information had indeed taken much of a burden in dealing with the New Prussian Empire off of her shoulders.

"Worse, Strator most grievously abused Matriarch Zelella Rocca of Reloria's 'International Goodwill Day' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528675) initiative not long ago, her way of trying to give the Na'alist 'Day of Vitality' celebration a secular and international appeal, by his executing 5,000 prisoners in a most horrific fashion and boasting about it to the world. Although we have no current intent of using this as a pretext for action against Strator, nonetheless it does illustrate that such might conceivably be required again; should he grow bolder still in flaunting his theoretically-unfettered status ever since Vetakan forces withdrew years ago during the Nicksyllvanian War. As you prefer, he remains a peripheral concern at the moment; but all the same must be taken into account." Who knew when Strator might finally decide again to do something that couldn't merely be condemned diplomatically, after all?

OOC: I did know about both those threads OOCly (I posted in one of them), and ICly, however ICly it's barely enough for me to do anything...

"We were aware of both these appearances by Strator, however they did not concern us much. The invasion we saw as more stupidity from Greston's front - they simple brought up an annoyance from its sleep. We made an official statement there condemning this invasion as we saw it as a way of bringing the Strator nation back into the limelight again, something we did not want."

"We cannot ignore what Strator is doing, if he returns and does something terrible his past genocides and poor behaviour will likely see us join any attack against him, and my nation does not operate a 'not my business' policy, however we also are not interventionists - I'm unsure why we are even discussing Strator, do you plan some kind of pre-emptive strike in order to remove him as a future threat, or is it just because you worry about the New Prussian Empires support of them?"

"And as for your military Vetaka - we will allow you to place a few thousand more troops there if you wish, with the conditions that you fund them and no long range missiles are present in the base."

OOC: I did know about both those threads OOCly (I posted in one of them), and ICly, however ICly it's barely enough for me to do anything...

"We were aware of both these appearances by Strator, however they did not concern us much. The invasion we saw as more stupidity from Greston's front - they simple brought up an annoyance from its sleep. We made an official statement there condemning this invasion as we saw it as a way of bringing the Strator nation back into the limelight again, something we did not want."

"We cannot ignore what Strator is doing, if he returns and does something terrible his past genocides and poor behaviour will likely see us join any attack against him, and my nation does not operate a 'not my business' policy, however we also are not interventionists - I'm unsure why we are even discussing Strator, do you plan some kind of pre-emptive strike in order to remove him as a future threat, or is it just because you worry about the New Prussian Empires support of them?"

"And as for your military Vetaka - we will allow you to place a few thousand more troops there if you wish, with the conditions that you fund them and no long range missiles are present in the base."
OOC: Sry, forgot.:headbang: Anyway yeah, they're a bit on the low side to justify an attack as far as provocations go, even if Vetaka and I tend toward the hyper-interventionist side...
IC
"We worry." Lady Tóriel figured it was best to have out with it. "In the sense that his newfound support might embolden him still further. You are right that he is a peripheral concern, and really doesn't bear further discussion if he stands in the way of completing the agreements we are here to reach. We simply felt that a reminder was in order, although we're pleased you're indeed well-informed about the matter.

"No, aside from those incidents Strator has been quiescent, and we ourselves prefer it that way for now. Are there other proposals or offers?" She looked at all participants, especially Cox since although not a wallflower it had been some time since he's last spoken up. Hopefully he'd have more to add, or else move to conclude this alliance gathering so that pressing business could be gotten to; including perhaps discussing possible expansion of this little core alliance soon...

"I have one question, though it does not concern this alliance, but international politics. It is hard, even for a nation such as ours, not to notice the mobilizations and preparations for a major war between two major nations - Questers and Automagfreek, with their respective allies. Other than that, my background knowledge is rather useless. Where do people in this alliance stand on this issue, who do you support - and will you remain neutral or join in on the fight?"

OOC: It's hard to answer that, as the 2nd war may not end up happening
IC:

"Currently, Kampfers stands on the side of the Questarian Commonwealth, but may move to neutrality soon. Right now, it is a difficult issue to answer. I will inform you again if I have more information."

OOC: Honako, it should be 'Questers' rather than what's currently there; figured I should point that out before he does, since he's rightfully sensitive about it.;)
IC
Lady Tóriel weighed her words carefully, since the exact policy the USSW wished to follow here was complex. It isn't exactly neutral-as-such, but neither are we choosing a side in the prime contest all the same. Eventually, she found what needed to be said and did so.

"Currently, aside from our commitments against Doomingsland alongside Allanea, Generia and others still, we back neither side in this matter. On the one hand, the Sovereign League and Questarian Commonwealth nations, both individually and collectively at least in terms of their principal nations, have opposed the policies and even the very concept of UFAN; claiming us to be hypocrites by allying various representative democracies with various other humanely non-democratic governments, and by allying capitalists with non-capitalists of various creeds. In terms of respecting sovereignty-as-such, ironically, we believe that Gholgoth and NATO have a far more consistently favorable record than does the so-called 'Sovereign League'. Furthermore, the Commonwealth's unqualified support of Doomingsland hardly does much to recommend their position to us either; quite frankly.

However, those aside, we do acknowledge that in terms of declared values at least the Questarian Commonwealth and Sovereign League are closer to UFAN princples than Gholgoth and NATO. And no, we are not ignorant of Gholgoth's deplorable actions in British Londinium and elsewhere either, even if we do remind that they did stop once the Londinians surrendered. To speak truth, neither side in this war recommends themselves to us greatly; and aside from the accession of more-reasonable leaders in both Automagfreek and Questers we don't foresee this changing in the foreseeable future. Hence, we're neutral in the whole matter aside from our coming battle against Doomingsland; and will only get involved any further in terms of self-defense or fulfillment of our other obligations as needed. Is this satisfactory, everyone?" Lady Tóriel again looked around those assembled, aiming to gauge their responses as they were given. Much that was unsaid needed to be analyzed as well of course, if an accurate picture of the positions involved was to be gained.

"Yes, I find this satisfactory. Now to get this meeting back on track, would anyone here be opposed to the alliance we have mentioned?"

OOC: I wanna try and wrap this up a little...

Cox cleared his throat he looked at his Lady Companion before beginning:

"I and I am sure Lady Tóriel have no opposition to this proposal and I am sure our governments will readily accept it."

Cox now retrived a file marked "Vetakan Defence Force" he handed it to Mrs. Parkins before beginning again:

"Mrs Parkins this is our proposed pernament deployment to Honako it will allow Vetaka to respond to situations alot more easily it will also bolster Honakon Defences as well as boost your economy considerably. We will fund it as well as pay for all maintence of all facilities. Rest assured should Honako ever be attacked these forces will defend her to the last"

Deployment:

2 Champion Class Supercarriers
9 Chieftain Class Pocket Battleships
10 Agamemnon Class Battleships
10 Arsenal Class Stealth Missile Cruiser
16 Zumwalt Class Stealth Missile Destroyers
16 Daring Class Air Defense Destroyers
16 Brandenburg Class Stealth ASW Frigates
6 Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarines
20 Allegro Class Attack Submarines
2 Mercy Class Hospital Ships
2 ASDS Advanced SEAL Delivery Systems
6 Safeguard Class Damage Control Ships
6 Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ships
6 Osprey Class Mine Hunters
50 SH-60 Seahawk Helicopters (Blackhawk naval variant)
38 AH-64D Apache Longbow Helicopters
20 CH-46 Sea Knight Helicopters
10 CH-53 Super Stallion Helicopters
10 B-22 Zeus Strategical Bombers
116 F/A 401 Birds of Prey
110 F-16 Priest Strike Fighters
110 F-37C Eurafighters
4 E-2C Hawkeyes

7,000 Strong Battleforce

OOC: bump!

It was an impressive list, and considering Mrs. Parkins saw a falling out between her and Vetaka very unlikely, and the 'will fight to the death' bit assured her, she prepared to accept.

"All looks in order Vetaka." She made an attempt to smile. "We shall grant your troops and fleet access to Honakon lands and water."

"Wonderful! Now comes the interesting part. Do we announce this core alliance to the world, or do we keep it a secret? I would say announce it. Also, what shall we call this alliance?" Richtoff was happy that his plan had worked and now his face truely showed it.