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Being as the elections are over and I am the Vice-Hegemon, I am now the Houses of Assembly leader so I make the threads for it. In this house of Assembly we are on the subject of an oil disbute within Greal, and a war that might come between Lyras, and The Republic of Fenrahm. And we need to set up a plan for defense. Also the blue prints to an new tank between me and Greal are starting to be made and if anyone wants to help TG me. Now the first discussion is on what we should do about the Greal oil dispute. Discuss.

Issues:
Greal/BC Oil Disbute
Status: SOLVED
British Londinium Threat
Status: Possible Agreement
Lyras/Frehnam Disbute
Status: Aiding Frenham

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First off, i would like to state that the unltimate decision regarding the oil dispute is up to Greal, as it is Greal's oil that is being disputed. Second, i would like to remind all Hegemonic nations that we are obligated to defend Greal by the Hegemony charter if the need should arise.

Could someone give me a summary of the Lyras/Fenrahm conflict?

We already have a good sized task force of 350 ship's near the Greal oil field's, protecting it from Griffencrest, so that should be no problem, the only thing I'm worried about is if Griffencrest bring's any of the heavy hitter's as his allie's, if say Quester's, or Skigorria were to be involved, we'd be sure to lose, for they are far bigger then all the Hegemony combined.

Well we need to try diplomacy first with the Greal Situation. I think the best chance at peace is what I've been saying: Blackhelm's 1.4 trillion is accepted. Maybe Greal can have more oil fields in the future, as well as have a treaty with the Corporate Alliance and Blackhelm. This would probably say that if they take these oil fields, they cannot bid again if oil fields are found in the Hegemony (though that would be too brash; just Greal would probably best in this case) and Greal can sell them for what they're worth in the future.

I'd like to know what this Lyras conflict is as well, but we need to take these conflicts one at a time. I'd rather we solve the Blackhelm/Greal peacefully and Lyras with force after diplomacy.

We are on good relations with the NPE, so Skgorria isnt gonna attack us (as far as i know).

Yeah, he'd better not, since I am part of the NPE, Skigorria is a long time ally of mine, I think we have a good chance of Wagdog helping us. I have a far more serious issue though to bring up, British Londinium has just called the Hegemony a "Dictorial organization led by the yoke of Lord Sumguy", and is on the verge of declaring war on us...

ooc: Guess the old adage is right; Blackhelm and all these tough guys wanna pounce on us, and it would seem British Londinium just wants to get the Hegemony when it's down.

I have a feeling that if war come's, we are undoubtedly going to need the New Prussian Empire and Wagdog on our side, for they are the heavy hitter's that are allied with us, if you will, it would be a grave folly not to have bigger allie's. All of us combined can only field 150 million men, and they can field way more, but if we get more allie's, the more men we can field, and that'll make it easier for us.

ooc: Well if something really happens and we lose all the battles and stuff (hope not, but it could happen), would we be able to wage a guerilla war on them?

I have a feeling that if war come's, we are undoubtedly going to need the New Prussian Empire and Wagdog on our side, for they are the heavy hitter's that are allied with us, if you will, it would be a grave folly not to have bigger allie's. All of us combined can only field 150 million men, and they can field way more, but if we get more allie's, the more men we can field, and that'll make it easier for us.

OOC: agreed, we need some big allies, fast. A lot of people seem to think we are fair game for anyone who wants land, money, or something to destroy.

ooc: Well if something really happens and we lose all the battles and stuff (hope not, but it could happen), would we be able to wage a guerilla war on them?

yes, and we might win in the end, but our nations would be ravaged in the proccess.

OOC: I am in no condition to fight a war right now, I am just wrapping up a civil war, and I must quell civil unrest in my land's, so I would gladly fight alongside you, but for my country's health, I must remain neutral.

This is where you are all wrong. We do have large allies. Theres me in the CHA, BSA, and Europian Parliment, and all of the people in all of those alliances will undoubtfully help us. And theres me. I may only have a pop. of 520 something, but thats me alone. I have maybe 7 nations all with large pops. and the last time I added all of their pops. together two monthes ago, I had exactly 1 billion men, making my military 320 million. And as well as all of that, I have two dear friends who will help me as well, Rido and Nuksz. Who all have as much friends as the entire Hegemony. And Lord Sumguy, there is two regions made after you, if we use them, we have even more people. We will have an upper hand.

Once the conversation about the Greal disbut is over, and once were done with this British Londinium thing it over i give the stats on the Lyras/Frenham disbute, being as I am the only one here who knows about it.

in one of those regions, all non-puppet nations are Hegemony members, and the other one houses my puppet nations. Puppets do not count in RP.

OK guys...we need to make peace with Blackhelm and fast. There is no way we can stand a double-pronged attack.

So the two regions are out but remember the rest of it. And for the Lyras thing if we win against Lyras we have three more large populated allies. we are not alone. And Sumguy right now we should stay out of world scene. Let them forget about it. Then we rise, kill them, then look who has the upper hand. I say we let them threat us, but if they attack I have all of the people I stated earlyier.

I saw a new alliancce called Maldorian Alliance we should get an rep for that and even more allies will be with us.

THOSE IDIOTS WILL DIE!!! ;):sniper:

"We wish this could be resolved easily, but knowing the Greals as they are, we not give up the oil fields without a fight. If Greal does not follow simple demands, then I am siding with Griffencrest and my fellow Corporate Alliance members.

-The Mandalore."

Maldoria's with the Corporate Alliance. So if we solve the Greal Issue peacefully, we could possibly get an ally from the Corporate Alliance

Silver Sky can handle Blackhelm on his own, we need not get involved at this point, as Greal has sold the feilds to Silver Sky.

And now I have a regular alliance with Maldorians, and if British Londinium attacks us it will turn into a war alliance. we have more allies then some of you think. We have a better chance of winning.

Thank goodness for that. Calizorinstan, could you see if the NPE will help us?

I will Lord Sumguy, they will take over from me, for as you know, I have civil unrest in my country, that I am just finishing cleaning up, so I'll fight as soon as I can get thing's straight, I'll TG the founder.

Now it's time for the Lyras/Frenham thing, I plan on aiding Frenham, but its up to the Polemarch. The stats are here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12775561&postcount=30)

British Londinium: I feel like I have reached a possible breakthrough with them
"pertinax201 (6:19:34 PM): If the Hegemony as a whole agreed to donate 2% of each nation's land, give me half a billion each, and sign a non-aggression pact, then I'd be content to drop the whole affair.
Lrdshrddr (6:19:47 PM): I see
Lrdshrddr (6:19:52 PM): seems reasonable enough
Lrdshrddr (6:20:06 PM): do you mind if I forward this to my "compatriots"
Lrdshrddr (6:20:15 PM): love that word :P
pertinax201 (6:20:52 PM): Go right ahead.
Lrdshrddr (6:21:02 PM): ok
Lrdshrddr (6:21:13 PM): what if most of the nations do but some do not?
pertinax201 (6:21:25 PM): Then the few remaining would get the ax.
Lrdshrddr (6:21:30 PM): like the ones that haven't been actively participating
Lrdshrddr (6:21:37 PM): I see
pertinax201 (6:21:53 PM): Well, if they haven't been actively participating...
pertinax201 (6:21:56 PM): ...then I'll spare them.
Lrdshrddr (6:22:18 PM): because if you haven't noticed, some don't like to rp
Lrdshrddr (6:22:49 PM): so I wouldn't want to be unfair to them
pertinax201 (6:24:15 PM): Naturally. "
Pertinax201 is Londinium and LrdShrddr is me

So do you guys think this is good?

I announce that because of complication's, and in part this affair, I am compelled to resign from the Hegmony, for I have decided that my loyaltie's lie with the UFAN, and the NPE. So long pal's, it was nice to know you!

OOC: It was nice having you too...good luck in NS over there :D

As Polemarch, I agree with involvement in the Lyras/Frenham conflict AFTER the British Londinium conflict is solved. I think though that we should spread these crises out, it can't be too good to have so many attempts on the Hegemony in one go. Also, enemies of the Hegemony may want to side with the enemy, causing a proxy war which may be as bad as the British Londinium incident

erm... is there no reaction that I'm involved too? I've got nearly 900 million people and a 6 trillion+ military budget. Oh, and I'd only count the members that are active.

So, for instance, Lord Sumguy can't say "I move 200 million troops over there." every member has to post and individually move their soldiers, etc.

I should probably state that any kind of deal will have to deal with all the members of the coalition against the Heg..because If you make a deal with BL there's still myself and plenty others around..

Good point...it will have to be reasonable with the other members of course though

OOC: Some of the guys think you should only use your nation's armies, having each nation post for their armies instead of this godmodding. Proof. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530325)

OOC: Some of the guys think you should only use your nation's armies, having each nation post for their armies instead of this godmodding. Proof. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530325)

OOC: considering that some of the most powerful nations on NS arer attacking us, perhaps we could be given this concession, as it is a part of the Polemarch's job description that he can seize control of the armies of Hegemonic nations in a state of emergency.

OOC: considering that some of the most powerful nations on NS arer attacking us, perhaps we could be given this concession, as it is a part of the Polemarch's job description that he can seize control of the armies of Hegemonic nations in a state of emergency.

OOC: No. That would be godmodding (cheating). What's more, you can't use the nations that don't post in this conflict either.

OOC: Not happening. You have to have each nation RP the deployment of their own troops.

OOC: very well.

OOC: considering that some of the most powerful nations on NS arer attacking us, perhaps we could be given this concession, as it is a part of the Polemarch's job description that he can seize control of the armies of Hegemonic nations in a state of emergency.

OOC: Not happening. You have to have each nation RP the deployment of their own troops.

I'm not sure the oil field dispute is solved yet.

my troops go where i say....and right now....they await instruction.

I'd like to inform all members of the Hegemony what your leader agreed to in order to stop me from annihilating you all:

"Any nation that chooses to remain in the Hegemony must limit their army to 500,000 men with no conscription, minimal tanks, no heavy artillery, no poison-gas or nuclear weapons supplies, no aircraft of any sort and no drone equipment; naval vessels are limited to under 5,000 tons, with no submarines, no nuclear weapons, or drone equipment. Secondly, Hegemony nations must pay British Londinium tribute amounting to one trillion each, to be paid one hundred million dollars annually. Then, each Hegemony nation must agree to host one Londinian army base and one Londinian air force base ninety kilometres away from their capital."

The bases are permanent. The military restrictions last for twenty five years.

Have a nice day! :)

I'd like to inform all members of the Hegemony what your leader agreed to in order to stop me from annihilating you all:

"Any nation that chooses to remain in the Hegemony must limit their army to 500,000 men with no conscription, minimal tanks, no heavy artillery, no poison-gas or nuclear weapons supplies, no aircraft of any sort and no drone equipment; naval vessels are limited to under 5,000 tons, with no submarines, no nuclear weapons, or drone equipment. Secondly, Hegemony nations must pay British Londinium tribute amounting to one trillion each, to be paid one hundred million dollars annually. Then, each Hegemony nation must agree to host one Londinian army base and one Londinian air force base ninety kilometres away from their capital."

The bases are permanent. The military restrictions last for twenty five years.

Have a nice day! :)


The Greal Government did not comment on the matter, however, the Greal News reported rumours that The Greal Government was refused the order



OOC:1 trillion is a little to much.