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OOC interest/debate/planning onsite for an ADAN (DAN) operation.
(Offsite is getting ignored for some reason apparently)

As stated off-site, I'm in.

Bump thread as computer is drop-kicked.
So far, there appears to maybe be only 4 participants out of a potental 20...

Bump again, that makes 5 participants...
Deadline for signing up is June 23rd.

Please include number and type of units to be used.

This excercise is a full scale practice for invading, occupying, and counter-invading a small nation with a population of roughly 15 million inhabitants shortly after a military junta backed by one of the two teams takes power.

There shall be an underlying civil-war going on as well.

This will be a closed RP.

Make sure you are a member of ADAN before submiting.

In short, a mini-Chitzi civil war...
Now does this have anyone's attention?

My contribution? Call it 8 Divisions, one being Armoured, 5 Mech and the remaining 2 Light.
Naval contribution appropriate to protect that scale of deployment and get it onto the beach. Assume carriers providing air cover, no additional deployment of air forces.

My contribution? Call it 8 Divisions, one being Armoured, 5 Mech and the remaining 2 Light.
Naval contribution appropriate to protect that scale of deployment and get it onto the beach. Assume carriers providing air cover, no additional deployment of air forces.

I remember I did worse once, by sending a single rifle company (between 100 and 250 troops)...

I'll asume you plan on "re-using' troops after they 'die'. Have your men bring 10 rocks per person from their hometown with them. Each time a person 'dies' someone must bury one of the rocks, and place a marker
(cross or tombestone with inscription depicting the number of bodies, and a serial number, the number, along with the roster of the dead, would be found in a notebook, which also will contain GPS co-ordnates, upon death, a letter of notification would be sent to the next of kin, written by the surviving CO, next of Kin are not to be corrected that it is merely an excercise until it has been concluded, this shall desensitize them in the event of a real war.)

If a soldier runs out of rocks, they are to return home immediately.
Further disciplinary action may be undertaken at your government's discretion.

Substitute 'rock' with an ID tag if this is easier. (Such tags are used to ID the dead after they have been rendered unrecognizeable)

One and a half days till start.
Roster

Antigr:
???

Asgarnieu:
"Two-Five divisions"
17th Armored Division
27th Infantry Division
88th Airborne Division
8th Aviaition Division
10th Cavalry Division
1st Special Warfare Force
37th Marine Division

1 x Scinfaxi-class underwater carrier, 2 x Adobe-class supercarrier, 2 x Tri Svyatitelya-class supercarrier, 1 x Abidel-class supercarrier, 2 x Governor-class escort carrer, 2 x Valkyrie-class escort carrier, 4 x Grand-class medium carrier, 3 x Athios-class light carrier

2 x Invencível-class super battleship, 4 x Terror-class dreadnought, 5 x Yamato II-class super battleship, 12 x Bell-class battlecruiser, 20 x Zuniga-class cruiser, 5 x Yekaterina-class cruiser

50 x Los Angeles-class SSN, 50 x Ohio-class SSGN, 50 x Le Triomphant-class SSBN

1 x Devastator-class intelligence ship, 1 x Delta-class intelligence ship, 1 x Druid-class intelligence ship

2 x Henry J. Kaiser-class auxilliary, 2 x Supply-class auxillary, 3 x Elbe-class auxillary, 5 x Mighty-class ammunition/supply ship, 25 x Pigeon-class submarine tender, 2 x Godsend-class hospital ship, 12 x Frankental-class mine warfare vessel

50 x Invincible-class sealift, 15 x Tarawa-class amphibious assault, 4 x Austin-class amphibious assault, 2 x Port Stanton-class amphibious assault

100 x Gepard-class fast attack craft, 20 x Kılıç-class fast attack craft, 75 x Leo-class gunship, 15 x Zumwalt-class littoral combat ship

100 x La Fayette-class frigate, 45 x Swan-class frigate, 52 x Tarantul-class corvette
20 x D'Estienne d'Orves-class aviso, 100 x Luhu-class destroyer, 50 x Terram-class destroyer

Myself:
100 HOI divisions
25 Mechanized divisions
625 HOI divisiosn as 'civillians' (12.5 million people)
1 tactical Air wing
1 CVE (CV-01 HTS Independance)
25 Katana calss Destroyers
50 Tango class Submarines


Terror Incognita
Divisions:
1 Armoured
5 Mech
2 Light
All Air cover provided by carriers
Naval assets sufficient to land troops on beach (undefined)

Uldarious
???

Security:
1 Resserve MEU special operations capable division (Not Marine Raiders)
1 Marine Raider Brigade
2 standard task forces

As soon as I fill in the blanks I can decide who gets on what team (I'll take suggestions, though I don't want to stack things, upon that, I can get the actuall excercise underway.)

Might as well tell everyone that this is going to occur on New Roanoke Island.

Here's what I'm sending:

[ARMY CONTINGENT]

‪‪‪‪‪‪•17th Armored Division
→25 Heavy Tank Brigades
→10 Medium Tank Brigades
→20 Light Combat Brigades

•‪‪27th Infantry Division
→100 Heavy Infantry Brigades
→25 Heavy Assault Infantry Brigades
→60 Standard Infantry Brigades
→32 Special Infantry Brigades

•‪‪88th Airborne Division
→50 Airborne Brigades
→25 Heavy Airborne Brigades
→25 Light Airborne Brigades

‪‪•8th Aviaition Division
→2 Light Aviation Brigades
→2 Medium Aviation Brigades
→2 Heavy Aviation

•10th Cavalry Division
→25 Cavalry Brigades
→50 Armored Cavalry Brigades
→10 Light Cavalry Brigades
→1 Air Cavalry Brigade

-----

[NAVAL CONTINGENT]
Comprised of the 14th Fleet, 15 Fleet, 16th Fleet, 17th Fleet, and 30th Fleet (auxilliary)

1 x Scinfaxi-class underwater carrier
2 x Adobe-class supercarrier
2 x Tri Svyatitelya-class supercarrier
1 x Abidel-class supercarrier
2 x Governor-class escort carrer
2 x Valkyrie-class escort carrier
4 x Grand-class medium carrier
3 x Athios-class light carrier

2 x Invencível-class super battleship
4 x Terror-class dreadnought
5 x Yamato II-class super battleship

12 x Bell-class battlecruiser

20 x Zuniga-class cruiser
5 x Yekaterina-class cruiser

50 x Los Angeles-class SSN
50 x Ohio-class SSGN
50 x Le Triomphant-class SSBN

1 x Devastator-class intelligence ship
1 x Delta-class intelligence ship
1 x Druid-class intelligence ship

75 x Leo-class gunship

15 x Zumwalt-class littoral combat ship

50 x Invincible-class sealift

2 x Henry J. Kaiser-class auxilliary
2 x Supply-class auxillary
3 x Elbe-class auxillary

5 x Mighty-class ammunition/supply ship

25 x Pigeon-class submarine tender

12 x Frankental-class mine warfare vessel

15 x Tarawa-class amphibious assault
4 x Austin-class amphibious assault
2 x Port Stanton-class amphibious assault

100 x La Fayette-class frigate
45 x Swan-class frigate

52 x Tarantul-class corvette

20 x D'Estienne d'Orves-class aviso

100 x Luhu-class destroyer
50 x Terram-class destroyer

2 x Godsend-class hospital ship

100 x Gepard-class fast attack craft
20 x Kılıç-class fast attack craft

-----

[AIR CONTINGENT]
Air Force comprised of the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 12th Air Forces

→Various aircraft from Fleet Air Arm
→Various aircraft from Marines
→Various aircraft from Army
→Various aircraft from Special Forces

250 x F-40D "Phoenix" fighter
1,000 x F/A-103 "Stanza" strike fighter

2 x C-25 "Stratolifter" transport
15 x C-97 "Pelican" transport

20 x OS-12H "Horizon" spotter

30 x EA-15E "Strongarm" electronic warfare
2 x EC-97 "Eagle Eye" electronic warfare
5 x E-252 "Cauldron" AWACS

4 x AL-97 "Hawkeye" airborne laser

50 x KC-97 "Blue Jay" tanker

40 x AB-3B "Cold Killer" light bomber
50 x B-97 "Vulture" heavy bomber

--

FLEET AIR ARM

2,000 x F/A-103N "Sea Stanza" strike fighter
750 x CBF-113 "Sea Spectre" fighter
24 x CBF-101 "Tripper" VTOL fighter
100 x F/B-150E "Sea Lightning" fighter/bomber

200 x A-15 "Hurricane" attacker

100 x B-3B ACBLB bomber

100 x MP-6 "Huron" maritime patrol

75 x HH-65F "Deadly Dolphin" attack/rescue helicopter
100 x NAH-2 "Sea Cardinal" attack helicopter
100 x NAH-54 "Sea Dragon" attack helicopter
25 x ASH-3L "Sea Sniper" anti-submarine helicopter
50 x NH-45 general-purpose helicopter
50 x NH-12 general-purpose helicopter
50 x NH-84 super-heavy lift helicopter
50 x NH-450 general-purpose helicopter

--

MARINE AVAITION

75 x F-8 fighter
75 x CBF-113 fighter

10 x KC-97 "Blue Jay" tanker

50 x NAH-54 "Sea Dragon" attack helicopter

--

ARMY AVIATION

100 x AH-211 attack helicopter
100 x AH-213 attack helicopter

100 x OH-506 armed recon helicopter

1,000 x H-84 super-heavy lift helicopter
1,000 x H-25 medium-lift/light attack helicopter

--

SPECIAL FORCES AVIATION

20 x HH-65F "Deadly Dolphin" multi-role helicopter
10 x NAH-54 "Sea Dragon" attack helicopter

-----

[MARINE CONTINGENT]

400 x LCAC landing craft

•‪‪‪‪‪‪37th Marine Division
→20 Raider Brigades
→15 Combat Brigades
→15 Mechanized Brigades
→1 Air Brigade
→1 Special Warfare Brigade

-----

[SPECIAL FORCES CONTINGENT]

•‪‪‪‪‪‪1st Special Warfare Force
→10 Commando Brigades
→5 SEAL Brigades
→1 Air Brigade

-----

DONE!

O-kay....I wasn't expecting million man deployments on a training exercise. In fact, I was expecting the "CivPop" to significantly outnumber the declared military forces of all concerned.
Thus the comment about wanting to re-use troops didn't make much sense, until I saw the list of proposed deployments...
I'll leave mine as planned, and just roll with it, just note that I hadn't expected my contribution to be so vanishingly small.

It's 'sticker shock'.
Deployments this big tend to be common in 'proxy wars'

Technically, you'r deployment is about the same size as asgarnieu's
(He's pretty strong in the navy scale of things though, as he always is)

Now remmember, no live ammunition...

Basics of NRI
New Roanoke Island, though small compared to the mainland, is about the size of a small country, in fact, it used to be a small independent country until about 1850-1935 when the Hurtians took it over when finishing up a small civil war for 'independance'.*

NRI is technically a tropical land, although it is an island of unpredictable extremes, as the mornings are hot and swampy, while everything is dried out in the afternoon almost like a desert, then it downpours in the afternoon, which later turns to freezing rain, which turns the ground back into a swamp before it freezes back over at night.

It does this every F'ing day...

Then the wildlife... apparently the island harbours all sorts of nasty critters that are known to carry off many a man who wanders from a trail, keep yo bayonets handy... As there are worse things out there to worry abouit than people running around with blanks in their guns.

Oddly, it was this particular wildlife that attracted many a big-dangerous game hunter, who usually was quickly taught the need for humility and teamwork.

The beaches are a muddy 'paste', and give poorly for almost any amount of ground pressure during the daylight, and things aren't much better at night when one has to worry about icy beaches...
(See also: Iwo Jima, ash beaches [don't ever get stuck there for the night, as it will also freeze... -also why I made a point to give the HT-101 extra wide tracks, low ground pressure, a winch, and an adjustable ground clearance, you'll see many a Hurtian opting simply to swing through trees or 'stump hopping' if the can...])

Defences in the excercise
Defending its shores will be an old Aircraft carrier, supported by 25 destroyers, and roughly 50 submarines roaming the seas.

In the are, would be roughly 200 combat aircraft, mostly meant for ground attack, but do not underestimate these old delapidated planes, for the pilots are quite good at shooting down a 'hotshot' pilot who underestimted the manuverability of an F-4 Phantom, usually resaulting in inexperianced enemy pilots passing out having pulled too many G's. (The old F-4 could pull 7 G's, even modern equipment prevents the best pilots from passing out only at about 9 G's, the modern Hurtian ones are thrust vector capable, and have uprated engines and improved air intakes with a fierce 'dogtooth' appearance)

Coast defenses are a coast based SAM/MG defense with a central long range SAM base and a large garrision force, with a potent armored resserve.

Scenario:
A military Junta/coup has thrown the small island into dissarray, making it the resource rich land ripe for the taking (it actually is rather void of resources, hence why it is a military proving ground).

The red team sees this as an oprotunity to knock over an island for its land, or to restore the old government so that they may make peaceful inroads to the resources.

The Coup was supported by the 'Blue' team, in order to get better diplomatic relations with their government, which until now has been quite hostile.

The locals will not take kindly to the pressence of either group.

It has started.
BTW: Anyone have a map of New Roanoke Island, or Gaudocanal if that is not available?

I spose I'd better just keep an eye, until the 'Red' force is in.

Oh, right, the IC linky...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530890

*Crickets*

Nevermind the first post, it was pretty much the most I could do before the excercise.
(other than make a map, which I failed to do...)

Quick comparission of Hurtian F-4 to F/A-103N.

F/A-103 is:
Stealthier (Lower RCS and IR signature)
More manuverable (9G's vs 7 G's [GLOC can occur at 5 to 8 G's sustained for 5 seconds -excludes blackouts/grayouts])

F-4 is:
On its home turf
Faster (F-4X prototypes supposedly could acieve Mach 3.2, but would I trust a 30+ year old airframe at those speeds during peacetime?)

Given a WSO that can:
target planes independent of the pilot's actions
Manage ECM and ECCM
Provide situational awareness
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Weapons compare:
F-4: 1+4+4+2+2 Hardpoints*
(Centerline, outboard fusealage, underwing, wingtip, overwing)
35 mm gunpod /w/ 250 rounds on centerline
4 AIM-120 in semi-recessed fusealage nacells
4 underwing pylons of Air/ground ordnance (750~1,000 Kg each)
2 AIM-9X on wingtip pylons
2 rearward facing AIM-9X on above wing pylons/strakes
*Hardpoints cumilative total exceeds what airframe itself can handle in High-G manuvers ('Overload' limits to 4 rather than 7 Gs)

FA-103:
Two 27 mm cannons /w/ 720-1000 rounds and One 37 mm cannon /w/ 125-200 rounds.
Single 8-10 shot internal rotary launcher
4-6 externaly mounted missiles

Notes: Rearward missles most likely expended in previous 'skirmish'/ambush
Underwing pylons clear on the 'decoys' (that or replaced with 4 to 8 missiles [two AIM-120s and four AIM-9Xs]) Though it is unlikely that they would last long enough to use all this.
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Didn't find any 'side roads' on the East coast to the capitol.
Moromanga appears to be an essentail 'hub' through a mountain pass (which explains the lack of side roads)

[OOC: Note: F/A-103N has 2 personnel within the aircraft, WSO and Pilot. More can be carried on external hardpoints, such as wingtips, and off of the sides of the fuselage, it is just for slower strike missions. Nice job on the comparison. I'll revert my post with the "side road" tomorrow, just got off work, I'm freakin' dying here...]

Apologies to all; I'm not going to have 'Net access now for two weeks, so you should probably count me out of the rest of the exercise.
:headbang:

I'll be sending the folowing 133 Divsions, which is about 80% of the forces currently in Antigr.

There will be:

(Note: ACRF stands for Antigran Crisis Reaction Force, Civil Gaurd is the Antigran equivalent of the US National Gaurd or UK Territorial Army, and AFMC Stands for Antigran Federal Marine Corps, which is Antigr's Seaborne infantry)

52 Infantry Divisions
(2nd ACRF Infantry, 5th ACRF Infantry, 2nd ACRF Infantry, 5th ACRF Infantry, 6th ACRF Infantry, 14th Airborne Infantry, 20th Airborne Infantry, 22nd Infantry, 24th Infantry, 31st Infantry, 32nd Infantry, 33rd Infantry, 35th Infantry, 39th Infantry, 44th Infantry, 52nd Infantry, 54th Infantry, 60th Infantry, 62nd Infantry, 70th Infantry, 75th Infantry, 77th Infantry, 89th Infantry, 90th Infantry, 92nd Infantry, 103rd Infantry, 110th Infantry, 112th Infantry, 151st Infantry, 160th Infantry , 171st Infantry, 181st Infantry, 188th Infantry, 189th Infantry, 192nd Infantry, 195th Infantry, 199th Infantry, 204th Infantry, 209th Infantry, 215th Infantry, 220th Infantry, 22nd Infantry, 240th Infantry, 22nd Civil Gaurd Infantry, 33rd Civil Gaurd Infantry, 1st AFMC Infantry, 6th AFMC Infantry, 7th AFMC Infantry, 10th AFMC Infantry, Infantry, 12th AFMC Infantry, 3412nd Reserve Infantry, 4097th Reserve Infantry)

23 Armoured Divisions

(12th Armoured, 14th Armoured, 18th Armoured, 19th Armoured, 20th Armoured, 21st Armoured, 23rd Armoured, 27th Armoured, 29th Armoured, 30th Armoured, 40th Armoured, 42nd Armoured, 50th Armoured, 51st Armoured, 5th AFMC Armoured, 6th AFMC Armoured, 1022nd AFMC Reserve Armoured, 1st Airborne Armoured, 7th ACRF Armoured, 10th ACRF Armoured, 11th ACRF Reserve Armoured, 2234th ACRF Reserve Armoured, 7722nd Reserve Armoured)

10 Artillery Divisions

(72nd Heavy Artillery, 77th Heavy Artillery, 102nd Artillery, 103rd Artillery, 256th Artillery, 334th Artillery, 68th AA Artillery, 82nd AA Artillery, 445th ACRF Light Artillery, 3804th Integral Light Artillery Support Force [which joins on to the 21st Armoured])

2 Medical Divisions

(8932nd Medical, 9327th Field Medical)

45 Supply, Logistics, and Utility Divisions

(19th through 64th Supply, Logistics, and Utility Divisions)

1 Air Cavalry Division

(88th Air Cavalry)

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Divided into 3 Corps
(VI Corps, VII Corps, XII Corps)

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Total: 133 Divsions