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OOC: Southeast Asia's Second Anniversary, and Thoughts

Southeastasia
16-06-2007, 16:55
Second Anniversary Thoughts

Well, another year has gone past, and I’m another year wiser than the last. These things not only apply to my time on NationStates, but to some extent, RL as well. Lessons learned and relearned the hard way include:

You just can never truly beat a good writer.

Examinations, even if they are not the real deal, come first. The same applies for coursework, even though I liked the teacher better.

Enjoyment always come first on NationStates. Otherwise, there’s no point to coming here.

Compromise more both in the real world, and on the NationStates universe.

Take more major risk-taking calculations.

I’m going to cover a couple of these lessons learned, and some other rants of mine. Let us start with the first lesson…

I came to learn of a fellow by the name of Azazia in November 2005. He wasn’t the first bunch to influence me—the first group that deserves those credits includes Hogsweat (now called Questers), Praetonia and Sarzonia, when it comes to role-playing. But Azazia, now known as Oceania, would be one who would have a very significant influence. It helped me break away from the mainstream style—war, and deviating from military design. Oceania would be part of an informal triumvirate of countries—the Big Three, whose other two members are the Grand Archduchy of the United Realms of the Hamptonian Empire and the would-be Second Pacitalian Republic. This informal triumvirate is focused on socioeconomic-political power, and when it comes to style, the players behind them preferred character development. Not that I didn’t admire people who preferred armed conflict—I was impressed by Praetonia’s ability to maintain his maritime pertinence and at the same time produce some decent characters (i.e., Prime Minister Sir Tiberius Polax and the late King Sarius I), and the same went for Sarzonia. Hog could, but preferred to focus on warfare and design rather than character development.

Now, enter Doomingsland.

Because in part of the royal coup d'état, and because of the fact I had misinterpreted the events in his role-plays with Ottoman Khaif, A Drawing to Die For and To Be Forged In A Cold Fire.
I had thought that the United Kingdom of Oceania was a practitioner of idealism, that the Islamic Federated States of the Khailfah al Muslimeen had neglected its people (which was true in some respects) on New Albion and were crushing its right to self-determination. I had thought, just for the hell of it, to make this topic. I still cringe when I look at it because of the resulted slicing and dicing by Hamptonshire, Oceania and Pacitalia (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=2438). It was this post which caused me to snap into realism, practice it be another matter.

Angry, no... frustrated, yes.

To be blunt, and in all honesty I have tried to say what follows subtly in the past in our conversations but I fear it was never read; but, when it comes to the UK you have obviously done your 'research'... as much research can be done for an incredibly fantastical creation. However, there are significant aspects and assumptions you seem to make about the UK and despite my attempting to steer you away from not just making them, but building RPs and posts around them, you continue to do so and this alternate history is a prime example.

I think one of the largest false assumptions you have made is that of the perception the UK as being a 'champion of democracy' to use your words. Admittedly, in NationStates much of what is said by most players is spelled out directly for all to see. Myself, I have always been an avid reader and like I said earlier, a writer to some degree. It is relatively easy to write and express what you mean; it is far harder to write the opposite and still express what you mean. Doing so requires the use of subtlety and a degree of others being able to 'read between the lines'. As my one class discussed constantly last semester, language is the key to controlling situations and understanding how that language is used and created is the key to understanding the situations and the background that created the situation.

Again, fearing that I have obfuscated the point, let me use an example. New Albion, the topic you were interested in taking part of, albeit a bit too late, serves a wonderful example, I feel. On the surface, a bunch of people turned out to declare indpendence from the Khailfah and then the UK said stuff about national determinism blah blah blah. At the same time, my small posts in either that thread, or the earlier thread about the cartoon drawing - I can't recall and have not the time to go reread them - included the situation in New London. A large minority of people have every desire to see their colony become independent - but the location of the colony provides the UK with a location suitable for a base for a drydock capable of servicing the Royal Navy's superdreadnoughts. And so while defending liberal democracy you have the Royal Armed Services bloodily suppressing protests on shaky grounds. In New Albion, the national determinism was clearly not as well formed in the minds of the people before the intervention of the RIS and the UK - which planted the seed of independence in their heads as a means to create international legitimacy for their annexation of Khailfah land, land again of incredible strategic value. So all of this is because the UK is an evil, aggressive, imperial power, right?

Wrong. Again, things are not that simple in real life and as such I have painstakingly tried to replicate those complexities in NS. Oceanians are, in large part, a xenophobic people happy to tend to their own lives on their own islands - but increasingly, this is not a viable economic option so they have had to expand into the world stage. In so doing, however, they have seen two cities leveled by nuclear weapons and much of the civilian populace exposed to chemical and biological weapon attacks not to mention air raids and cruise missile strikes. They now have a distinctive fear that the rest of the world is 'out to get them' and they are endeavouring to take preemptive action to neutralise such threats - the island of New Albion provides the UK with an excellent forward prepositioning point from which they can sortie large naval fleets against their enemies. The annexation of New Albion had absolutely nothing to do with democracy. But they don't say that ICly... and the UK takes great pains to create situations wherein it appears as if they acting such in the vein of democracy. But they are also aware of it, and they know that others know the real reasons behind Oceanian expansion - which is why they don't put parade about democracy that often... because it is an argument that, while not necessarily weak, is far from solid.

There are reasons for the things I say and there are reasons for the things I don't say. There are reasons for the way I phrase those things I say and there are reasons for the way I arrange and time those things I say. And all of that is important. As I said at the top, you have done your research and that is to be commended. You incorporate backstory into your posts in a way that is enjoyable, but also sensible... at least some of the time. However, I caution you to read behind the backstory... and I admit that a lot of the history is frankly not available. I have had Oceania in earlier forms for I think some eleven years, at first on paper and then on computers, and over three years ago I moved it to NS... but much of that history is not available... if you want to know about some aspect of UK history before posting something please feel free to TG me and I will do my best to accomodate. Mind you, if you ask how so and so feels about something ICly I won't answer that because that's part of the realism I try to create.

Simply put, you strive for realism where none can exist. E.g., attempting to patch Sarzonian-Oceanian relations. I think you fail to see the fact that relations will not be mended at least anytime soon - both nations have insulted or offended the other greatly. Furthermore, it is not just the UK and Sarzonia but the UK's two main allies, Pacitalia and Hamptonshire, have all been shut out from Sarzonia... so why would the UK even want to dare to consider reestablishing relations - doing so would likely be seen in both of the UK's allies as a stab in the back. At the same time as you attempt to appear an interested but neutral party, your PM runs about praising Sarzonia and Sarzonian 'democracy', as has been said before Sarzonia is a de jure dictatorship, and makes himself a hypocrite in the process. Running around in blind support of a nation doesn't tend to make others inclined to see you as neutral and supporting a dictatorship by linking it to democracy... well that hardly seems to support the idea of a nation promoting and defending democracy.

But for now, I have gone on long enough... again.

I am not angry at you, but I am frustrated with you. You have a great deal of potential to become a good RPer, but it is hampered by a failure to, what I feel at least, see the big picture and understand the big picture. And more importantly to act in a major way. Southeast Asia does not have to be a leading nation in the world if you have no desire for it to be as such - but it seems to me like you want to play a larger role in NS international politics. If you want to do so, I also advise you to stop following and lead. I think we can both agree that you see nations such as Sarzonia, Praetonia, and Isselmere as leaders in NS... your continual referencing of them through either IC remarks of OOC referrals to said nations' larger defence firms hints to as much. But those nations did not get to where they are by always playing to the IC and OOC egos, they did so by taking stands and being proactive. If you really wanted to, I think you have the capacity to, in time, develop into a solid NS RPer but if you want to, you have to lead and stop following.

Anyways, I have to go to work... but I hope you see that I am trying to help you, that I am not angry at you.

The final nail in the coffin, to putting it into practice, was Praetonia. He finally gave me the fuel to get me a classic book which has a flame that can never truly be put to rest: Niccolò Machiavelli’s The Prince. It was a better understanding, of the way realpolitik was executed, and indeed Praetonia was right: Better to discard that illusion of submission, even if you aren’t submissive at all in the first place. It’s time to take more major risk-taking calculations—the other lessons of mine learned during this time. All nations’ (and all powerful entities rather, for example, a firm like the VLT Automotive Group, for example, cannot hold a monopoly on the civilian automobile market perpetually) dominance will fall, so one has to take in mind, to enjoy writing rather than simply winning. Now that my IGCSE exams are over, and that I have my card (results TBA sometime in August!), I can focus my attention on NationStates better.

There, that is all folks. And once again, I send my regards to all those folks who were a help to my time on NationStates, and I enjoyed spending time with, as from last year: definitely helped my creative writing ability by a good mile. For inspirations on this subject and NS role-play and my style and their abilities, I thank these people (past and present): Automagfreek, Amestria, Clan Smoke Jaguar, Czardas, Democratic Colonies, Doomingsland, Groznyj, Hamptonshire, Halberdgardia, HailandKill, Independent Hitmen, Isselmere-Nieland, Jagada, Jenrak, Joint Conglomerates, Kahanistan, Leafanistan, Northford, McKagan/Avisron, Mauvasia, Oceania, Pacitalia, Praetonia, Questers, Scandavian States, Saint Fedski, Sarzonia, SkyCapt, Stevid, Sniper Country, The Freethinkers, The Kraven Corporation, The Macabees, The Silver Sky, Van Luxemburg, Wingarde, Willink, and Xirnium…in case there’s anybody I forgot, well, thank you too as well.

There. That’s all…except for one more thing! Now, that I’m free from my exams, the Second War of Corporatist Aggression can finally commence properly! Stay tuned for the Second War of Corporatist Aggression, folks, and let’s rock on with the story! Let’s all contribute to a memorable time, and hope we’ll have memories writing that role-play.

—Yours Sincerely,
The Player Behind Southeast Asia
Democratic Colonies
16-06-2007, 17:11
International Incidents has been a better place because of you, Southeast Asia. You and I, we never did engage in any serious role playing together, but as I read some of your writing here and there I could see that you were an excellent writer and all around role player. Two years is a long time to stay in any one place, but I'm sure I speak for much of I.I. when I say I'd love to see you stay for the years to come.

Cheers to you, Southeast Asia. You deserve it.
Southeastasia
17-06-2007, 02:00
International Incidents has been a better place because of you, Southeast Asia. You and I, we never did engage in any serious role playing together, but as I read some of your writing here and there I could see that you were an excellent writer and all around role player. Two years is a long time to stay in any one place, but I'm sure I speak for much of I.I. when I say I'd love to see you stay for the years to come.

Cheers to you, Southeast Asia. You deserve it.
Thanks mate. You too, when your anniversary comes.
Wanderjar
17-06-2007, 02:51
Hey dude, while I've never RP'd with you on any large scale, I must say that I've enjoyed seeing your various wars with Kraven, and other RPs you've been in. Congratulations mein freund.


(You posted on my return thread, so I thought I'd return the favor :D)
British Londinium
17-06-2007, 02:54
I'd just like to say that you've given me some great advice during my time here in II. Muchos gracias.
The Warmaster
17-06-2007, 03:34
While we haven't interacted very often in the past, or on a large scale (about to change in the war! :)), you've consistently impressed me with your precision, the length and detail of your posts, and the finesse of your diplomacy. May you go on to another two successful years.
Southeastasia
17-06-2007, 09:19
Hey dude, while I've never RP'd with you on any large scale, I must say that I've enjoyed seeing your various wars with Kraven, and other RPs you've been in. Congratulations mein freund.


(You posted on my return thread, so I thought I'd return the favor :D)
Thank you for returning the favor, then. Much appreciated.
I'd just like to say that you've given me some great advice during my time here in II. Muchos gracias.
You're welcome, BL.
While we haven't interacted very often in the past, or on a large scale (about to change in the war! :)), you've consistently impressed me with your precision, the length and detail of your posts, and the finesse of your diplomacy. May you go on to another two successful years.
You're welcome, Kregaia. May I see you go on for another successful two years.
Izistan
17-06-2007, 09:30
Times gone by fast wasn't it? Anyway heres to another two years of political intrigue and what have you. :)
Independent Hitmen
17-06-2007, 13:03
My my time is really flying lately!

It's surprising to see my nations name listed in your thanks with so many other much more esteemed RPers, so I guess I'm very flattered.

Your ability to seemingly predict what I will need NS Arms-wise has always amazed me and to some extent has brought the War of the Golden Succession to a more balanced level. Whilst I havnt directly RP'd with you thats something I think we can change over our long summer breaks.

On another note I also recently got The Prince and came to much the same view of it that you did...funny how RL books make you think about your NS RPing.

Hope your around for at least another two years ;)
Stevid
17-06-2007, 14:45
Hey there! Thanks for the mention. err..... what IH said really, your timely involvement to help with procurement in the war with that single telegram started a huge chain of events that has led us to become very good friends.

Great to see you're still around and we hope you'll remain here for as long as possible.
imported_Illior
17-06-2007, 16:40
Congrats mate, two years is a pretty big anniversary, I think I passed four sometime last week, but I'm glad to see that you know you've developed, and how you've moved on, and like IH, I'm hopin that you'll hang around for a while longer... and the more I think about it, the more NS seems like the Hotel California, you can check out any time, but you can never leave.
Southeastasia
17-06-2007, 16:41
My my time is really flying lately!

It's surprising to see my nations name listed in your thanks with so many other much more esteemed RPers, so I guess I'm very flattered.

Your ability to seemingly predict what I will need NS Arms-wise has always amazed me and to some extent has brought the War of the Golden Succession to a more balanced level. Whilst I havnt directly RP'd with you thats something I think we can change over our long summer breaks.

On another note I also recently got The Prince and came to much the same view of it that you did...funny how RL books make you think about your NS RPing.

Hope your around for at least another two years ;)
Hey there! Thanks for the mention. err..... what IH said really, your timely involvement to help with procurement in the war with that single telegram started a huge chain of events that has led us to become very good friends.

Great to see you're still around and we hope you'll remain here for as long as possible.
[OOC: Indeed, Stevid and IH...indeed. Time flies quickly...in my case, it's flying so quickly, I barely even get time to appreciate when I get to complain and what not...heh.

We'll keep in touch, and I hope to see you be on here for as long as we all enjoy NationStates. Also, sorry to go off topic, but IH, did you get my telegram? And, you two need to get to clobberin' Athiesism! ;) :p

Heh. You know what I mean. Enjoy the War of Golden Succession, and contributing to its wealth as a war role-play!]
Hobbeebia
17-06-2007, 16:55
2 years is a great accomplishment, while we have never RPed directly, I have read your posts and I am quite impressed with your work and am please with the progress you have made both as a player but as a person. I believe N.S. represents something to some people that cant be explained by normal worlds, but can only be felt. For me N.S. meant a chance to grow both as a writer and as a political thinker. N.S. has also helped me control my dyslexia and my ADHD by focusing my time into it. And for 4 years I have continued to do so. I hope that one day you make a good jump to the FT realm so we may meet each other ICly for the first time.
Dread Lady Nathicana
17-06-2007, 17:03
Best of luck - hope you continue to enjoy rp'ing on NationStates. I may not rp on this forum (tried on several occasions way back in the day, nothing ever came of it), but I do read, and it's been fun talking with you on IRC. Having fun, and the people we meet on here that help make it so, have been why I've stayed around for so long as well. :)
Southeastasia
17-06-2007, 17:23
Times gone by fast wasn't it? Anyway heres to another two years of political intrigue and what have you. :)
Likewise. Izistan, here's to another two more years!
Congrats mate, two years is a pretty big anniversary, I think I passed four sometime last week, but I'm glad to see that you know you've developed, and how you've moved on, and like IH, I'm hopin that you'll hang around for a while longer... and the more I think about it, the more NS seems like the Hotel California, you can check out any time, but you can never leave.
Well, I could not have put it any better myself, with that Hotel California analogy, Illior. Here's to another two years! Oh, curious, are you by any chance, a fan of the music group The Eagles?
2 years is a great accomplishment, while we have never RPed directly, I have read your posts and I am quite impressed with your work and am please with the progress you have made both as a player but as a person. I believe N.S. represents something to some people that cant be explained by normal worlds, but can only be felt. For me N.S. meant a chance to grow both as a writer and as a political thinker. N.S. has also helped me control my dyslexia and my ADHD by focusing my time into it. And for 4 years I have continued to do so. I hope that one day you make a good jump to the FT realm so we may meet each other ICly for the first time.
Well, what coincidence. I've been diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder before. I've also been diagnosed with NLD (non-verbal learning disorder). You should come to MT for the hell of it...though, the fact that you know me is suggesting I may know you through a different incarnation...what is that other incarnation, if I may ask? Heh. Here's to another two years!
Best of luck - hope you continue to enjoy rp'ing on NationStates. I may not rp on this forum (tried on several occasions way back in the day, nothing ever came of it), but I do read, and it's been fun talking with you on IRC. Having fun, and the people we meet on here that help make it so, have been why I've stayed around for so long as well. :)
The great Dread Lady Nathicana...indeed a pleasure to meet one of the greatest diplomatic manueverers (sp?) on the NationStates community, be it from here or The Other Side. You should get involved here more often, and on the MT arena...I'll be willing to get on with a role-play sometime. Though, I have considered getting into FT someday, with an alternative country. Here's another two years, DLN!
Questers
17-06-2007, 17:54
Well, SEA, its been a fast two years. I picked up your RP at the start because of your name, and I must say its gotten better throughout. While we disagree on some things - mostly realpolitik and pragmatism, I respect you for having the patience and ability to rp in such a way, which idealists like me can't, even if you'd be alot more powerful if you took an idealistic point of view.

I think that you would do well to heed Oceania's last paragraph on what you quoted - its entirely true. You have the ability to become an important nation in world politics, but you need to break away from being a follower and becoming either independent or a leader, of the centrist block perhaps.

Anyway, given its my 4th in November, hopefully we'll both be around for a fairly long time.
Groznyj
17-06-2007, 18:04
YAAAYYY!!! POOTTTYY!!!!

Here I brought a present!:

http://blog.nbc.com/ross_blog/dec%2019%20present.jpg
(That's not me btw. That man is too ugly an looks to be almost twice my age :p)
Haraki
17-06-2007, 18:47
"I like that SEA fellow. He's good people."



In all honesty, you're a great guy, and a very good writer as well. Although it sounds like a cliche, the RP part of these forums is a better place because of people like you.

Ah, two years ... I think I missed my two-year. Maybe I'll have a giant IC party for my five years, and call it Harakian Independence Day or something. And you're all invited.



Also, SEA, we really need to get on that thing we always talk about. Sometime in the summer, when everybody involved has a much more lax schedule.
Novacom
17-06-2007, 18:54
Happy Anniversary!

I can't really disagree with a fair few of the things said before, and can't agree enough with people saying move from being a follower, and try doing something that may not get the approval of the big three or whatever, their not the be all and end all, nobody is, move away from it and stop dragging em in full verbatim when mentioning seventeen nations simply for the sake of it, because quite often it becomes a case of, "oh he's started that again skip ahead half a paragraph"

Variety is the spice of life as they say, try it some time.
Questers
17-06-2007, 19:20
wtf novacom is now praising SEA wtf
Pacitalia
18-06-2007, 02:28
Congratulations on two years of consistent roleplaying. I think the fact that no matter how long you've been here, but that you learn every day, is what sums up NationStates best.
Hobbeebia
18-06-2007, 02:31
My incarnation is TBA or The Black Agents. I believe the joint Conglomerates during the RP had hired me.... I think ... its been so long ago.
Athiesism
18-06-2007, 04:03
Happy NSBirthday, Southeast Asia, you're a good friend and a good writer. At least everyone knows you to the point that you're no longer known as Southeastasia. ;)
Democratic Colonies
18-06-2007, 04:12
At least everyone knows you to the point that you're no longer known as Southeastasia. ;)

Yes, I was guilty of that making that mistake for quite some time. I'm sorry and I've learned my lesson though, I swear! :)
Southeastasia
18-06-2007, 07:11
Well, SEA, its been a fast two years. I picked up your RP at the start because of your name, and I must say its gotten better throughout. While we disagree on some things - mostly realpolitik and pragmatism, I respect you for having the patience and ability to rp in such a way, which idealists like me can't, even if you'd be alot more powerful if you took an idealistic point of view.

I think that you would do well to heed Oceania's last paragraph on what you quoted - its entirely true. You have the ability to become an important nation in world politics, but you need to break away from being a follower and becoming either independent or a leader, of the centrist block perhaps.

Anyway, given its my 4th in November, hopefully we'll both be around for a fairly long time.
Indeed, Questers. Too bad we disagree on foreign policies, we both missed out on good markets...here's to another two years, and perhaps four, Hog!
YAAAYYY!!! POOTTTYY!!!!

Here I brought a present!:

http://blog.nbc.com/ross_blog/dec%2019%20present.jpg
(That's not me btw. That man is too ugly an looks to be almost twice my age :p)
Hahahaha! Where did you get that picure, Googles Images? Anyway Grozzie, here's to another two years!
"I like that SEA fellow. He's good people."



In all honesty, you're a great guy, and a very good writer as well. Although it sounds like a cliche, the RP part of these forums is a better place because of people like you.

Ah, two years ... I think I missed my two-year. Maybe I'll have a giant IC party for my five years, and call it Harakian Independence Day or something. And you're all invited.



Also, SEA, we really need to get on that thing we always talk about. Sometime in the summer, when everybody involved has a much more lax schedule.
Yeah we do, that can easily be arranged, since my IGCSE exams are over...I hope we're ICly invited! Here's to your fifth anniversary, and to another two years, Haraki!
Happy Anniversary!

I can't really disagree with a fair few of the things said before, and can't agree enough with people saying move from being a follower, and try doing something that may not get the approval of the big three or whatever, their not the be all and end all, nobody is, move away from it and stop dragging em in full verbatim when mentioning seventeen nations simply for the sake of it, because quite often it becomes a case of, "oh he's started that again skip ahead half a paragraph"

Variety is the spice of life as they say, try it some time.
True, but I have other contacts beyond the Big Three. Since my exams are over, let's get on with that prophecy thread of a SWOCA role-play, shall we? Here's to another two years, and cheers Novacom!
wtf novacom is now praising SEA wtf
Well, we've had our disagreements and disputes over the IRC #draftroom channel, but we can get along.
Congratulations on two years of consistent roleplaying. I think the fact that no matter how long you've been here, but that you learn every day, is what sums up NationStates best.
Well-said Pacitalia, a Talleyrand of II. Hope that you enjoyed your trip to Europe, and I hope to see you back in Canada to tell us all about that trip! Cheers, Paci!
My incarnation is TBA or The Black Agents. I believe the joint Conglomerates during the RP had hired me.... I think ... its been so long ago.
But of course. I know The Black Agents. Hooray for Hobeebia!
Happy NSBirthday, Southeast Asia, you're a good friend and a good writer. At least everyone knows you to the point that you're no longer known as Southeastasia. ;)
Well, I'm glad you finally learned your lesson. Since my exams are over, stay tuned for SWOCA Athiesism, and get out your keyboard! You've performed well during APP, and let's keep up writing, and another two years!
Yes, I was guilty of that making that mistake for quite some time. I'm sorry and I've learned my lesson though, I swear! :)
What I said to Athiesism, minus the SWOCA part. Cheers, DC!
Sarzonia
20-06-2007, 05:35
Well, I feel flattered that you consider me such an influence. You definitely are showing some of that potential to be a great RPer.

I also recommend you start charting your own course rather than following the lead of other players.
Hamilay
20-06-2007, 05:42
Happy birthday!

I'll echo BL in giving thanks for the great RP advice you gave me when I was a wee newbie.

Clearly, it was completely in vain, but thanks for trying. :p
HailandKill
20-06-2007, 05:44
Cheers on two years!

I can still remember when we were both young, stupid, and connected through the SWC. Those were the days.

One thing though, I am curious how I influenced you.
Leafanistan
20-06-2007, 06:01
Palatino Linotype is for Hitler Worshipping Satans.
Southeastasia
20-06-2007, 06:21
Well, I feel flattered that you consider me such an influence. You definitely are showing some of that potential to be a great RPer.

I also recommend you start charting your own course rather than following the lead of other players.
Danke. Here's to another two years, Sarzonia! Now, how to set my own agenda...
Happy birthday!

I'll echo BL in giving thanks for the great RP advice you gave me when I was a wee newbie.

Clearly, it was completely in vain, but thanks for trying. :p
Hehe. You should role-play more instead of being in General. ;) Here's to another two years, Hamilay!
Cheers on two years!

I can still remember when we were both young, stupid, and connected through the SWC. Those were the days.

One thing though, I am curious how I influenced you.
Note that it didn't always include people who influenced me, but people who I've role-played before and enjoyed that time with. Naive yes, stupid no on our SWC days...tis' been a fast two years, to use Questers' words. Here's to another two years, HailandKill!
Southeastasia
20-06-2007, 17:12
Palatino Linotype is for Hitler Worshipping Satans.
That's just mean...anyway, did you wish me well for my anniversary Leaf, other than that remark?
Leafanistan
20-06-2007, 17:19
That's just mean...anyway, did you wish me well for my anniversary Leaf, other than that remark?

OOC: I wish you well, and when Kraven comes knocking, I'll give my support in my own way.
Southeastasia
22-06-2007, 18:22
OOC: I wish you well, and when Kraven comes knocking, I'll give my support in my own way.
Danke. You too for your anniversary. Let's rock on with that role-play Leafanistan, and here's to another two years!
Kahanistan
23-06-2007, 17:18
Glad to see the mention and know that I was an influence.

I'd have to say that if I'd compromised more, I probably wouldn't have had to fight as much. Probably could have stayed out of war with AMF, and might have come out of the Doomani invasion with less trouble.

That's probably the problem with me. The only time I'm willing to compromise with someone is in the Draftroom, when they won't get off my case about why not to put X, Y, and Z on my newest UBER MACHINE OF WAR!, usually by putting X, not Y, and a grossly watered down version of Z on it.

On the other hand, I did take a lot of risks, and had some of my greatest fun in the AMF war - probably the single biggest risk I took on NS, when I had brave soldiers fighting heroically against insane odds to protect their families and homes. Some of the risks I took would fall into the category of 'bloody stupid,' like relying on a political solution when bombs were falling all around (i.e. the Whyatican invasion, when I had been repeatedly warned that it wouldn't work on IRC and steadfastly refused to listen.)

In all, risk taking and compromise are good things, just don't risk too much or compromise too much. Moderation is the key.
Southeastasia
24-06-2007, 16:22
Glad to see the mention and know that I was an influence.

I'd have to say that if I'd compromised more, I probably wouldn't have had to fight as much. Probably could have stayed out of war with AMF, and might have come out of the Doomani invasion with less trouble.

That's probably the problem with me. The only time I'm willing to compromise with someone is in the Draftroom, when they won't get off my case about why not to put X, Y, and Z on my newest UBER MACHINE OF WAR!, usually by putting X, not Y, and a grossly watered down version of Z on it.

On the other hand, I did take a lot of risks, and had some of my greatest fun in the AMF war - probably the single biggest risk I took on NS, when I had brave soldiers fighting heroically against insane odds to protect their families and homes. Some of the risks I took would fall into the category of 'bloody stupid,' like relying on a political solution when bombs were falling all around (i.e. the Whyatican invasion, when I had been repeatedly warned that it wouldn't work on IRC and steadfastly refused to listen.)

In all, risk taking and compromise are good things, just don't risk too much or compromise too much. Moderation is the key.
Well, not really an influence, though I admire determination, I did enjoy role-playing with you. I hope you pick up Machiavelli's The Prince and Sun-Tzu's The Art of War, I believe the two books will be *EXTREMELY* helpful for Kahanistan ICly and OOCly in the long-term, especially the former for state-craft/politics. Thank you Kahanistan, and here's to another two years!
Halberdgardia
26-06-2007, 06:25
You know, you reminded me that I missed my own two-year "anniversary," as it were.

I remember the days when you were a brand-new young pup on the I.I. scene and I was influencing your RPs to some small degree...and now I see you've been going out and helping some of the newer players to do the same. Glad to see you've carried on the torch, my son. :p

But seriously, even though we've not always seen eye-to-eye ICly on our respective national interests, it's been nice to know you, SEA. I'm glad to see you really developing as an RPer, and I think I might have to go secure myself a copy of The Prince. (There's a conveniently available Art of War audiobook on my iPod. :p) In fact, I'm really considering taking to heart some of the very same things you've talked about regarding future RPs in my own to further improve my writing and my outlook on NS politics/RPs -- so thanks for the advice!

At any rate, this is getting a bit verbose (but then, I've always been that way), so I'll sum my thoughts up: 'grats on the two years, glad to see I was an influence, and keep up the good work.
Southeastasia
26-06-2007, 07:54
You know, you reminded me that I missed my own two-year "anniversary," as it were.

I remember the days when you were a brand-new young pup on the I.I. scene and I was influencing your RPs to some small degree...and now I see you've been going out and helping some of the newer players to do the same. Glad to see you've carried on the torch, my son. :p

But seriously, even though we've not always seen eye-to-eye ICly on our respective national interests, it's been nice to know you, SEA. I'm glad to see you really developing as an RPer, and I think I might have to go secure myself a copy of The Prince. (There's a conveniently available Art of War audiobook on my iPod. :p) In fact, I'm really considering taking to heart some of the very same things you've talked about regarding future RPs in my own to further improve my writing and my outlook on NS politics/RPs -- so thanks for the advice!

At any rate, this is getting a bit verbose (but then, I've always been that way), so I'll sum my thoughts up: 'grats on the two years, glad to see I was an influence, and keep up the good work.
Thank you Halberdgardia. I agree we haven't been close enough on national interests, but it was a pleasure indeed to role-play with you. Do you have AIM/MSN? I'd be interested in the exchange to keep us in contact...and did you get my telegram involving the communique to President Kenix Kil and your Peregrines? I'd like to see a response ICly on that thread. Anyway, before I go on too long, once again, thanks a bunch, Halberdgardia.